Tyre Pressure Science! How to save 74watts (@40kph) of losses in road TT triathlon

PART2 is now out here: • Tyre Selection Science...
Save up to 74 watts of losses by paying attention to the science of bicycle tyre (aka bike tire)! If you doubt you could save 74w try putting a old worn narrow almost flat tyre on your front wheel and tell us how you get on! [most tests carried out at 40kph]
Savings are: 10+13+27+20+5+3+6=84w but I took off that first 10w and it is mutually exclusive with the 13w.
links:
Tyre Pressure Calculator goo.gl/QoMv5P (google account needed)
or APP for mobile phones is here: goo.gl/UevARb

Пікірлер: 485

  • @Fastfitnesstips
    @Fastfitnesstips5 жыл бұрын

    Please check out our training plans on fft.tips/peaks (or www.cyclingapps.net/shop/shop-front/). Part 2 of this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZISnlsafl9utcbQ.html Part 3: kzread.info/dash/bejne/daWrqNxxqprUo7A.html

  • @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    Жыл бұрын

    These are materials that can't be found in Romania at all !!! Bullshit ! 😡 That's why , we roumanians, we stole bikes from Europe !!! And we can't do maintenance on them cause of ridiculus corsts of them !!! On short: To Hell with stupid ecology !!!

  • @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    Жыл бұрын

    15:35 You're so wrong on tire weight. BY ALOT !!!

  • @danielm2058
    @danielm20585 жыл бұрын

    If I lost 74W then i would be riding backwards

  • @carlos.5290

    @carlos.5290

    4 жыл бұрын

    Daniel M good one.

  • @hingo078

    @hingo078

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carlos.5290 good one

  • @helicart

    @helicart

    3 жыл бұрын

    you mean upside down

  • @mansoursarkhoo196

    @mansoursarkhoo196

    Жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @rob_cd

    @rob_cd

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @p.santos6644
    @p.santos66444 жыл бұрын

    I'm in shock. I just used 74 watts to get all the info in my head. How it's possible a human brain be able to store so much information? Jesus !!!! Thank you for sharing the video, now going to watch it a couple more times 👍👍👍

  • @leeroyjenkins7915
    @leeroyjenkins79156 жыл бұрын

    "Paris-Robaix Training Wheel" at 4:00 gave me uncontrollable laughter

  • @BikeBodyMind
    @BikeBodyMind7 жыл бұрын

    nice video. I like seeing all the supporting data. Thanks for this.

  • @sevintrix2962
    @sevintrix29627 жыл бұрын

    Yep I know when I've pumped my tyres too high. I get this fantastic 'popping' sound. Damn it !!!

  • @thechumpsbeendumped.7797
    @thechumpsbeendumped.77974 жыл бұрын

    The Paris-Rubaix training wheel had me laughing out loud for 30 seconds. 🤣I nearly missed it and had to scroll back to see it. You should’ve left it on screen for longer. 👏👏

  • @deathrow9
    @deathrow97 жыл бұрын

    riding my old mtb on the roads here it seems to be best between 50 and 60. beyond or below and I get the issues you described. good info!

  • @gruminatorII
    @gruminatorII6 жыл бұрын

    i love scientists, you did not even try to explain the difference between tubular and clincher, jet i understood within 5 seconds, while other people failed to explain it... Scientists have just so much cleared thoughts and expressions, love it great video!

  • @pablobriz5102
    @pablobriz51026 жыл бұрын

    Am I the only one who thinks in the Fast Fourier Transform when see 'FFT' instead of the name of the channel?

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    6 жыл бұрын

    Pablo Briz you might be the only one with that acronym!

  • @igrantyou

    @igrantyou

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Fastfitnesstips I did elec eng. I thought it too.

  • @jamesstobinski6144

    @jamesstobinski6144

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too!

  • @jimholland1592
    @jimholland15925 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel, do I understand it all no but you break it down so that I do so thank you very much for all that you do!

  • @electricsky7194

    @electricsky7194

    5 жыл бұрын

    SeaSky Not accurate #6 Tyre Weight 00 watts - Heavier tyre makes you pedal harder than lighter tyre. It is the same scientific fact about heavier rim needs more energy to rotate it every time.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f Жыл бұрын

    Josh Poertner is and has been an incredible asset to cycling. Absolute legend.

  • @ClaudiusRuegsegger-tx3sl
    @ClaudiusRuegsegger-tx3sl Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video, great detail explanations!

  • @brittweir8844
    @brittweir88444 жыл бұрын

    Great information, You answered some many questions, Thanks for the fast pace, you kept me engaged. I will recommend you're video to friends. Now I'm off to the tire store.With knowledge.

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    4 жыл бұрын

    thanks but check out some of your more recent videos! like fft.tips/vsurface

  • @bakasahara1213
    @bakasahara12137 жыл бұрын

    Probably the most educative video I've watched in a long time. Thank you.

  • @alphuez
    @alphuez7 жыл бұрын

    Can't thank you enough. Terrific video from a variety of sources wonderfully dissected and summarized. Would love to have had access to this data when I raced TTs many years ago. 18 mm tubulars pumped to 160 PSI -- ouch. Makes me wistful though. Reminded me of Bob Seeger's line in Against The Wind: "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then" (smile).

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the great feedback!

  • @adsr4882
    @adsr488211 ай бұрын

    I am so glad that I can keep my tubes forever.

  • @FadilAziz71
    @FadilAziz715 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, but too fast in talking & in presenting background data. Will be better if you slow it down since audiences are not the same and native in English. Will be nice if you can delve into mtb too.

  • @hellopsp180

    @hellopsp180

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fadil Aziz i believe youtube provides a setting for you to slow down a video playback speed and also subtitles. Maybe that would help you ? Yes he does talk fast but i believe that was self explanatory due to his channel name. “Fast fitness tips”

  • @therealpeterburke

    @therealpeterburke

    4 жыл бұрын

    youtube player gear icon - choose playback speed 075 and you have your slower presentation. You'er welcome.

  • @jedi767

    @jedi767

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fadil Aziz Yeah. Maybe next time ease up on the coke before making a video.

  • @rudyelizondo1935
    @rudyelizondo19352 жыл бұрын

    Wowzers, lots of good info, I’m glad I’ve got the contentental 5000 25’s that I run at 70 psi and yes I do feel them ride fast on my carbon Roval 35 rims

  • @TheAmbasadaRecords

    @TheAmbasadaRecords

    Жыл бұрын

    70 psi on 25mm tire, are you kidding me? you should be around 100-110 depending on weight lol

  • @frederikhusum3332
    @frederikhusum33327 жыл бұрын

    I love this. Cuts out all the BS and myths about wheels/tyres. I completely agree that the science backs all of you major points, and I even learned a few new things. If I had watched this a couple of years ago, I could have saved a LOT of studying myself.

  • @stevegreene9149
    @stevegreene91497 жыл бұрын

    Great job! I love the way you are actually looking at this scientifically and thoroughly. I like the way you cover a lot of ground clearly at a fast pace - we can always replay if we need to go over something again. My only small criticism is that I think you should have muted the sound of the video you showed at 14:15 because it was a distracting. But overall, a top video! Thanks and I have subscribed.

  • @backyardmachinist
    @backyardmachinist6 жыл бұрын

    5:30 "Wow! That's amazing." *awkwardly point at air* I died of laughter. So cute. Good video, pardon my amusement.

  • @truthseeker8483
    @truthseeker84832 жыл бұрын

    Very informative thankyou!

  • @terrymarlor-gage6214
    @terrymarlor-gage62142 жыл бұрын

    Great and simple information.thanks

  • @glene77is
    @glene77is4 жыл бұрын

    EXCELLENT technical content !!! I Watch This FFT Video at 0.75 speed in order to slow down the announcer's speech. Much more understandable !

  • @ds94703
    @ds947032 жыл бұрын

    Lots of good information here. But remember that safety and durability of the tire (and sidewall) is important too. I have HED Belgiums and use 25mm Continental GP5000, which works great, but they are hard to get on the wheel. How the tire mates with the rim matters, but don't get a flat unless you have a support wagon.

  • @iSangreVerde
    @iSangreVerde7 жыл бұрын

    Sir, You put top quality content out there! You gain another suscriber right here. Keep up the good work!

  • @n.h.6139
    @n.h.61395 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Swapped the tires, and adjusted the pressure according the sheet. The bike was flying after the update 😎

  • @briansamuel5670

    @briansamuel5670

    4 жыл бұрын

    IOS 13 update 😆

  • @getinsidelife
    @getinsidelife7 жыл бұрын

    Great speech, need more people like you, not text screens after camera

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @jthepickle7
    @jthepickle74 жыл бұрын

    "Rolling impedance" is my wife telling me to mow the lawn instead of riding. "Rolling resistance" is belly fat.

  • @aarondcmedia9585
    @aarondcmedia95856 жыл бұрын

    HED do research into this, it's well worth watching what they say about pressure and how it relates to rider weight, tyre and rim width, as well as riding surface.

  • @mateagoston8145
    @mateagoston81452 жыл бұрын

    Haha, I was going to write you that you made a mistake by thinking that it's possible to commit the too high and too low tyre pressure mistake at the same time, but at the very end of the video you noted it that it's either one or the other. :D

  • @7yr007
    @7yr0073 жыл бұрын

    very informative. thanks.

  • @karstenmeinders4844
    @karstenmeinders48445 жыл бұрын

    You can either have a tyre pressure too high or too low so you cannot add them. Good overview about possible power savings or losses, respectively though.

  • @argeelearner3978

    @argeelearner3978

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking the same

  • @williamsjoinery8186

    @williamsjoinery8186

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! Very useful otherwise.

  • @datmeme8967

    @datmeme8967

    3 жыл бұрын

    He didn't add them. He said you can only have one or the other.

  • @csabaszinyei

    @csabaszinyei

    Жыл бұрын

    He was telling that he was not doing that at the end.

  • @zazugee

    @zazugee

    11 ай бұрын

    it can happen, say you're running on different surfaces on the same run.

  • @orhankucukerman3631
    @orhankucukerman36313 жыл бұрын

    Great infos, thx 🙏

  • @rak2liga
    @rak2liga7 жыл бұрын

    My feeling told my that Conti 4000 S2 is great tire. Best I ever have. And it is not just rolling resistance. It is about comfort and cornering. Maybe there are better tire for me, but I didn't found them. And Conti lie about width. My 23 are actually 25mm, and 25 are 27mm. So there are not perfectly fit on my narrow rims. But my rims are old and heavy just like me. No tire can fix all that problems.

  • @kurtvonklopfenstein3106

    @kurtvonklopfenstein3106

    7 жыл бұрын

    The GP 4000 are a good tire until the sidewall blows out for which it is known for. It happened to me when I took a corner. Even though I am a Clydesdale, it should not happen.

  • @wayneproud2822

    @wayneproud2822

    7 жыл бұрын

    Rak Rakovica gp4000 are great all round tyres, but are not that comfy. if you ride top level cotton or silk tyres you will see another level of comfort.

  • @DANIEL-ls5ku
    @DANIEL-ls5ku7 жыл бұрын

    If its good enough for Fabian Cancellara, its good enough for me!

  • @desoi
    @desoi6 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @philstarling2827
    @philstarling28277 жыл бұрын

    Great video but... surely you can't count tyre pressure savings twice? You will save energy if your pressures are too high, or are too low, but pressures can't be too high and too low at the same time. Ergo max savings are 61-64 watts

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    You are correct see 22:20; (10+)13+27+20+5+3+6=84w but I took off that first 10w

  • @pauljones5225

    @pauljones5225

    7 жыл бұрын

    Spirit in the sky

  • @sevintrix2962

    @sevintrix2962

    7 жыл бұрын

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

  • @gpdimitropoulos

    @gpdimitropoulos

    7 жыл бұрын

    although unlikely, you could have different pressures at front and back, in which case you average the savings. Plus, if the weight is not evenly distributed, inflating the front less should be the case. What was not mentioned was the turbulence caused by the thread of the tire. Also, the droplet shape works when the front of the tire meets the air. It does not work when the rear of the tire meets the air. Another thing not mentioned is the turbulence of the spokes as the rotate, which like the thread work against you. Finally, do not forget the mudguards. The turbulent airflow is compressed between the tire and the mudguard, causing further resistance.

  • @davidliu5292

    @davidliu5292

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I do agree... There are 74 watts can be saved but it doesn't mean we will go 74 watts faster. Nice video though, very informative and very useful.

  • @PeakTorque
    @PeakTorque7 жыл бұрын

    Great video. The power savings, are we talking about them at the same speed so theyre comparible? If so, what speed?

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Most tests carried out at 40kph but Knight industries tested at 30mph and Tom Arnalt 35kph

  • @cliffcox7643
    @cliffcox76434 жыл бұрын

    Nice,. I pump up pressure on climbs, and lose tire pressure on descent around 80 psi

  • @francislai5270
    @francislai52705 жыл бұрын

    Great video. But what about these: -Wheel truness lateral -wheel truness radial -wheel dishing -spoke tension?

  • @Ober1kenobi

    @Ober1kenobi

    2 жыл бұрын

    All Variables that play a part as well. Rotational weight, Hub LP vs HP, bearing efficiency, Are we also going to include fork dynamics with the wheel ? The same wheel in different forks with different tyre clearances, shape of the fork, angle etc

  • @godsinbox

    @godsinbox

    2 жыл бұрын

    duh, moisture in the air and road surface?

  • @pauliusgarmus3056
    @pauliusgarmus30563 жыл бұрын

    You can't have a too high and a too low pressure at the same time. So why would they be added up?

  • @ConsciousBreaks

    @ConsciousBreaks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because clickbait.

  • @chairmanmeow8388

    @chairmanmeow8388

    3 жыл бұрын

    My bike has two wheels so you could.

  • @Gabrielle4870

    @Gabrielle4870

    3 жыл бұрын

    You didn't watch until the end or added it up did you?

  • @luiscolon921
    @luiscolon9213 жыл бұрын

    Too bad I can only give one thumbs up - awesome summary!

  • @RixterNow
    @RixterNow7 жыл бұрын

    Matching tyre width to rim width will have an impact on aerodynamics as well. Putting a wider tyre on a narrow rim is actually going to increase the drag. Not sure if you touched on that. Interesting video

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Quite true thanks!

  • @wayneproud2822

    @wayneproud2822

    7 жыл бұрын

    Rixter i believe this whole wider rim thing is more about changing the shape from a teardrop to a more round shape to copy a tubular profile. To me Tubulars are still the gold standard, ride them they are lovely. changing the shape of the tyre will make it proform different. Remember that with clinchers you can't just put wider tyres on a smaller rim as the tyre shape changes, why the wider rims for wider tyres. With tubulars it doesn't make any difference as the tyre will always be round.

  • @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    Жыл бұрын

    These are materials that can't be found in Romania at all !!! Bullshit ! 😡 That's why , we roumanians, we stole bikes from Europe !!! And we can't do maintenance on them cause of ridiculus corsts of them !!! On short: To Hell with stupid ecology !!!

  • @bertross9727
    @bertross97276 жыл бұрын

    Great video, bookmarked! I do have a problem with the prevailing idea that wheel weight doesn't matter though (the maths and the explanations don't make intuitive sense to me at least!). 1. driving a car in town you get hideous mileage, I get maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of what i get bombing along UK A-roads. If you watch your litre/100km dial you see the massive amount more energy required to pull away. Remeber this is in town never going more than 30mph (kinda!), even when you have to brake down to 20 then gently raise back to cruising speed it drinks a lot of fuel. Bike speeds and accelerations are really not that different in town, in fact, bicycles usually pull away for the first 10 to 20 yards. When you compare the power to weight ratio of my car for example; 151kW/1650kg compared to me on my bike @ 300W/85kg, makes me wonder how energy sapping those fractions of a second (don't believe that) are and how they affect the overall ride time. 2. The explanation of the racer who used the heavy rims (a) he's racing not riding around town stopping and starting and (b) if your wheel contains enough energy from the weight of it's rotational force to roll you up a hill, then that has to be quite a lot of energy in that wheel there!? The argument that once the wheel is going then that energy is always returned is bunkum, it disappears as heat in your brakes every time you hit a junction or set of lights, and it's fighting gravity every second you have that energy built up in your wheel. 3. I don't have much faith in that Alex Simmons comparison with the different weighted rims either, (a) the heavier wheel was more aero than the lighter wheel so you have two variables there (b) the test is short doesn't expose how much of a difference these increased efforts to overcome inertia may have on an overall ride (c) the difference of 250g is quite negligable where it is easy for some people to save 1000g by upgrading wheelsets if they're currently on beasts like mine (d) the numbers were generated by a theoretical formula, I have just been reading a piece about a solar-powered water-purifying device which (bear with me) the efficiency exceeded the theoretical yield, it's a rare thing but there are plenty of unrefined formulas out there. If this is all confused bs could somebody pls put me straight, before I go and spend dollar on some lightweight wheels!

  • @stefanbucher9054

    @stefanbucher9054

    2 жыл бұрын

    A good explanation from another cycling scientist (kzread.info/dash/bejne/YoV40LekhcS3ls4.html). But you are right. The moment you break you loose the flywheel effect accumulated on the wheels.

  • @primedirective00
    @primedirective0016 күн бұрын

    Ceramic and hybrid ceramic bearings definitely save a considerable amount of energy, but how much depends on the OEM bearing seal type, ball grade, ABEC precision level, ceramic ball type, race material, and type of lubricant. I even have data that shows a tungsten disulfide coating applied to bearing races will save up to 5w. I sell hybrid ceramic bearings for ebikes that improve the range up to 20-25% with the full kit and a *lot* of data to back it up 🙂

  • @torus186
    @torus186 Жыл бұрын

    Regarding tire compounds to wattage on a TT course. It's not the time on the course that gives a better result for a lower power rider, it's that the saving in watts is higher as a percentage of the riders wattage output.

  • @Phaidrus
    @Phaidrus7 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, thanks!

  • @nosiestaguiding
    @nosiestaguiding4 жыл бұрын

    so much time, so little riding ? Thanx for all the info and data !

  • @ayowser01
    @ayowser015 жыл бұрын

    Seems like mavic know a thing or two when they desiged their cosmic pro wheel/tire combo.

  • @johnknox4293
    @johnknox4293 Жыл бұрын

    thanks

  • @bt7153
    @bt71536 жыл бұрын

    i ride lower PSI with larger tires which absrbs vibration which was shown to speed you up a lot. Its not about watt savings its about vibration dampening.

  • @stevek8829
    @stevek88295 жыл бұрын

    I only have 74 watts.

  • @reljanovovic
    @reljanovovic7 жыл бұрын

    Optimal tyre pressure is calculated for a given rider + bicycle weight and It depends on the air volume (i.e. tyre width). Optima pressure for 23 mm wide tyre isn't the same as optimal pressure for a 25, or 28 mm wide tyre. So a 100 kg rider with 23 mm wide tyre will have a different optimal pressure than a 60 kg rider with 23 mm wide tyre, or a 100 kg rider with 25 mm wide tyre. How to calculate optimal pressure: www.bike.bikegremlin.com/2015/12/23/pressure-i-inflate-bicycle-tyres/

  • @mikefranz1056
    @mikefranz10567 жыл бұрын

    I like it, thx

  • @SteveMoorePhone
    @SteveMoorePhone7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video, great summary. Any idea how significant the interaction of the wheel with the front fork Is? Ie. Cervelo states the P2 was optimized around 23mm tyres, so could an 808NSW mated with 23mm tyres be faster to an enve 7.8 with 25mm?

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    I don't have any data on forks but the effect of forks alone is likely to be very small esp at 0yaw. You'll notice some manufacturers have gone very wide and some very narrow with forks trying to get aero advantage. If anyone has any data on this, maybe they will comment

  • @emilbaligod1935
    @emilbaligod19356 жыл бұрын

    Another subscriber here.

  • @THECURELOST13
    @THECURELOST133 жыл бұрын

    "depending on your weight"... so should i have less or more air if i am on the heavier side? what are the basic guide lines for a 700X25c @ 240#'s?

  • @hugodeckers3880
    @hugodeckers38807 жыл бұрын

    hallo Oz cycle.. what about motorcycles? Does it work there or does it fling of site to the high suited of the motorcycle chain?!? thanks for your answer!

  • @gregnichols9363
    @gregnichols93636 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if I were to use "baby powder" between the tire and butyl tube to reduce the friction?

  • @mro4056
    @mro40564 жыл бұрын

    Maybe one day you could cover tire width relative to wheel depth in terms of "power savings" assuming the tire width and rim width are equal.

  • @brianhowe8896
    @brianhowe88967 жыл бұрын

    The best explanation that I have ever seen. A little fast maybe but puts together all I have read and experienced. Take a bow

  • @cxa1301
    @cxa13017 жыл бұрын

    Did this and now I don't even need to pedal most of the time!!!11!!!1!1!!

  • @jeffbrunton3291
    @jeffbrunton32917 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always. I agree with the summary on clincher vs tubular, I run both and find little difference on road between say corsa evo open vs tubular, they are effectively the same, especially if you use a latex tube in the clincher. However, tubular does help with one of the other goals /savings, that is low pressure - I find it easier to run low pressure on tubulars as you do not get pinch flats, which for me is most of my flats. And if you are racing cyclocross, tubulars are even more important with very low pressures One of your links says there is no disadvantage to tyres as big as 32 - So i will find out soon when my 32 gatorskins arrive!

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Interesting thanks. Good luck with the 32s but careful though because gatorskins have not done well in most tests.

  • @jeffbrunton3291

    @jeffbrunton3291

    7 жыл бұрын

    Fastfitnesstips - yes, the gatorskins are just for touring on a crossbike, just hoping they would be too slow in the largest size, they should be fine. Racing is on vit. corsa evo

  • @radimvavrecka3481

    @radimvavrecka3481

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hi JB, you should try 4 seasons, they come as 32mm too but much better /higher quality.

  • @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    @neytiritetskahamoatite7688

    Жыл бұрын

    These are materials that can't be found in Romania at all !!! Bullshit ! 😡 That's why , we roumanians, we stole bikes from Europe !!! And we can't do maintenance on them cause of ridiculus corsts of them !!! On short: To Hell with stupid ecology !!!

  • @smokeandsweat9990
    @smokeandsweat99907 жыл бұрын

    Did some work on trying to create a tyre pressure spreadsheet myself a few years ago. Using bike weight + rider weight + weight distribution. Wanted to use tyre volume rather than width though to get it to work across road and mtb. At that point my rusty physics and maths started letting me down. Would be interested in your view to this approach.

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Have a look at both XLS spreadsheets for tyre pressure. The volume one is a bit complicated. Do you think it is useful to have the exact tyre volume?

  • @stefis6
    @stefis67 жыл бұрын

    For U17's in my neck of the woods, alloy rims can only be used for racing. With this in mind, should my U17 son be using sprint rims and tubulars on the track, or say Conti Supersonics with latex tubes, for best performance?

  • @marketingsam
    @marketingsam3 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting I'm on 27m wide rims, with 25m tyres, if I switch to 28m I'll loose 2.5 watts as the tyre will be wider than the rim and potentially another couple in tyre aerodynamics. However won't I gain in that I can run the tyre at a lower PSI for the same rolling resistance, enabling less vibrations as I go over rougher surfaces? Essentially ruling out the 4 or so watts loss?

  • @VeganFootsoldier
    @VeganFootsoldier7 жыл бұрын

    massive case of theory not adding up in reality. You cannot make a 74 watt saving just with subtle changes to road wheels. If you add up all the potential gains from a skin suit, aero helmet, shoe covers, optimal body position and aero frame, I would save 150w. That means I can go from being a hobby rider to dropping chris froome. Not happening. This just doesn't add up like that in the real world, maybe I can save 15w at 40kmh.

  • @VeeVeeArcher

    @VeeVeeArcher

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think if he laid down the facts with a nasty beat, wore a Zoro mask, and flip flopped on supporting and opposing con artists like Durianrider... then you might have liked the video more. Beyond that, VegtableFootsoldier, you are an idiot that makes clown videos, filled with hyperbole. Good on you.

  • @indonesiaamerica7050

    @indonesiaamerica7050

    5 жыл бұрын

    The assumption is that (with the right training) you can put out 80% or 90% of the power that "Froome" can put out. Which isn't that hard. The hard part is doing it during the Tour at 98%+ when your rivals attack you.

  • @makantahi3731
    @makantahi37314 жыл бұрын

    in 1997 year i made bike for mtb uphill champ, i reduced weight of bike from 12kg to 8 kg, most from wheels, frame did not tuch, i flew uphill, 2 minutes faster than last year, 700m elevation, 7km trip, 26:31 was time, bike was as wild bull, when i pushed pedal it would accelerate asexploded

  • @Saoco325
    @Saoco3254 жыл бұрын

    To your credit. The hidden motor still stands. Pretty obvious

  • @aaceytuno
    @aaceytuno2 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit , if I implemented all of these savings I can ride a perpetual motion machine that moves forward by itself . . . Amazing math

  • @IanRamon

    @IanRamon

    Жыл бұрын

    very funny!!

  • @grindupBaker
    @grindupBaker6 жыл бұрын

    Terrific thanks. Is there a profile that gets you up these dratted hills here faster when you're grey haired & 23 pounds of fat overweight. What if I remove every 2nd spoke & ride bald tyres to cut weight & save money. Please review in technical video.

  • @bernym4047
    @bernym40477 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. I would like to see a similar video for my main interest, mountain biking. Thanks.

  • @supnongl
    @supnongl3 жыл бұрын

    Any thoughts on regular spokes Vs bladed spokes Vs disks

  • @siafilia3935
    @siafilia39354 жыл бұрын

    I weight around 48kg, I usually go for 60-80psi, the group i'm with used around 130psi! But yeah, still got to drop them lol

  • @Lil7yr
    @Lil7yr3 жыл бұрын

    Is that 13 watts savings per tire for too high pressure or for the two tires all together.

  • @E3kTheCat
    @E3kTheCat3 жыл бұрын

    Subscribed

  • @BlaqRaq
    @BlaqRaq3 жыл бұрын

    I like the data collections but the rational could be tweeked much more. 1) you can’t have too high and too low tyre pressure. It’s either one. So add just one. 2) Tyre weight differences is truly insignificant but if tyres were significantly heavier, the effects would speak in long steep climbs. I would still give a thumbs up.

  • @shoots_austin
    @shoots_austin7 жыл бұрын

    Wow great content! Did you study aerospace/aeronautical engineering at Uni? I do physics A'level and am seriously impressed with your understanding and knowledge (way more advanced than my course)! Also the language you used was very good not just those buzzwords that GCN or bike radar just throw in whever they talk about tech

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks I did physics and maths A level and medicine at Uni! I agree its good to avoid jargon as much as possible and keep it practical or applied to the actual riding/event

  • @VEC7ORlt

    @VEC7ORlt

    7 жыл бұрын

    Not sure if sarcasm or not.

  • @uncrunch398
    @uncrunch3989 ай бұрын

    Difference in tire width on energy loss to smoothing your ride on rough terrain? I suppose muddy would be best to ask off road riders though. Wider resists better sinking into and being grabbed by loose or somewhat fluid materials. Narrower is probably better for handling on pavement.

  • @joinjosiah499
    @joinjosiah4997 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Information, I pumped my tyres before today's ride since I leave them super low all the time haha. However, 100-110 psi sounds a bit high for the recommendations that I have received before. Is this for a 23c clincher tyre? I would assume that a 25c or 28c would allow much lower pressures. I run 25c at 75 psi at 64 kg at the moment

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    It depends on road surface so tricky to be too prescriptive for you, but if its regular tarmac road I'd give 85psi a go and see what you find!

  • @Camrographer
    @Camrographer6 жыл бұрын

    Are these all recent developments in engineering? And would this information be published or kept a secret for professional teams?

  • @analbumfromhell1842
    @analbumfromhell18422 жыл бұрын

    What happens with efficiency if you put oil between tyre and tube. Not much only so that they don't contact each other directly? In theory frictional losses disappear and there are only fluid losses.

  • @georgejohnson1498
    @georgejohnson14987 жыл бұрын

    After more than fifty years of riding bikes, I had worked out that the lowest rolling resistance for a 63 kg person on 700c by 25 tyres is to be found between 90 and 95 psi. I never believed the highest tyre pressures helped beyond 100psi. Not much science involved, but simply years of trial and error. Currently using Michelin Power Competition tyres on a 35 year old Carlton on modern Ambrosio [ally] rims on Super Record hubs from the 1980s. A very free-rolling combination ... Tyres inflated once a week to 95 psi.

  • @timeslowingdown

    @timeslowingdown

    5 жыл бұрын

    I don't have any science or math to back it up it also seems like running slightly higher pressure on the rear wheel is also optimal, e.g. 90 PSI front 100 rear, because there is typically more weight and force exerted on the rear tire, so the front will lose energy "bouncing" slightly more at the same psi... in my experience, on 700x25c and smooth roads, the ideal seems to be 90 front / 100 rear.

  • @smallnuts2

    @smallnuts2

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@timeslowingdown is this the same with tubless?

  • @timeslowingdown

    @timeslowingdown

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@smallnuts2 Not sure, I've never used tubeless before

  • @davidturner6995
    @davidturner6995 Жыл бұрын

    I off road a Land Rover , the advice on tyre pressure was always "as low as necessary as high as possible"

  • @golferchin76
    @golferchin767 жыл бұрын

    So, I've done most of the things you mentioned plus extra. So I guess it's more hardcore intervals.

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Wait we have a few more tricks up our sleeve coming over the next few weeks! ...but yes training is key.

  • @golferchin76

    @golferchin76

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes sir, I just learned from your other video about saving 30watts from chain. Time to clean it up.

  • @TheHardCorePunkHead
    @TheHardCorePunkHead6 жыл бұрын

    Conti GP 4000 S II is the best. You don't need a video like this to tell you, you can feel it!

  • @acruzp
    @acruzp6 жыл бұрын

    These numbers are very speed sensitive, many of them depend on you cruising at ironman speeds. This is why grams of force are a better unit for comparison, but only when the wind tunnel air speed is quoted, or total rider/bike weight respectively.

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    6 жыл бұрын

    you are 100% correct, if we did this video again, would put in a speed/watt saving converter

  • @emilegoguely4032
    @emilegoguely40327 жыл бұрын

    sweet video considering getting latex tubes for my race wheels then. Train on wide-boxy 32 spokes with gatorskins and race on 303's with véloflex corsa. I'm all for wider tires but on a wide rim isn't a 23 better shaped than a 25 because at some point the tire gets wider than the wheel (maybe at 28-30) cheers

  • @josephdoby6411

    @josephdoby6411

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was amazed how much Gatorskins slowed me down. I switched to GP 5000 and it was like putting a turbo on my bike. I picked up 2 mph on my average mph and have not rode one ride below 19 mph average since I bought them. I ride recreationally 2 to 3 times a week with no road hazards. I do not commute with my bike but understand why people run Gatorskins for their puncture resistant qualities.

  • @cliffcox7643
    @cliffcox76434 жыл бұрын

    Fast Fitness. What about tire weight in terms rotational mass? I mean, if it's heavier, then rotationally, it will require even more power to spin, no?

  • @claudionapoli7079
    @claudionapoli70792 жыл бұрын

    Hi, i've looked your videos and i'd like to do my compliments to you because the argoments are very interesting and well described. I was cycling road bikes for several years and i agree with you about pressure tire( too many people run to high ant others too low) . After injury i switch to e-bike and after 1 year i'm still struggling choosing which could be the best tire and pressure for a rider about 70 Kg. Actually i run 29x2,60 Schwalbe knobby nic which is a good compromise in rolling resistance considering i'm able to go low when i'm on dirt track and go up when i'm commuting to work. I would know which could be the ideal pressure for tarmac, on the side of the tires tell me i can go from 1,5 bar to 3 bar. In your opinion could be ok run 2.6 post and 2.4 ant? In the next season i'd like also to switch to new Wicked Will tires because the pattern seems to me more compact and could give me more advantage, they produce this tires also in 29x2,40 sizes but from what i understood from your video i'll stick with 2.60 so i could keep assorbion effect from big volume tire. What do you think? Sorry for long message and best regards!

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    Жыл бұрын

    Try https: fft.tips/surface

  • @Tomy-im8zl
    @Tomy-im8zl7 жыл бұрын

    thanks for adjusting the psi with the weight but just to be sure that I understand the formula correctly, +2 psi for each 10 kg = +1 psi for each 5 kg right?

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    best to just follow the formula as not all the calculations are simple linear addition. thanks.

  • @ThomasSkyldahlSrensen
    @ThomasSkyldahlSrensen6 жыл бұрын

    Is the test for the new vs worn tire available anywhere? I can't seem to find it, was it a wind tunnel test or how was it calculated?

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    6 жыл бұрын

    on the roller in the lab.

  • @regbarnard2866
    @regbarnard28667 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, a well researched and presented video with good empirical evidence, nice one

  • @cortexvelo
    @cortexvelo7 жыл бұрын

    Don"t forget to talk about FMB tires tubulars. Check the Gold medal of Cancellara in Olympic Game, he choose FMB. Check spring classics bikes, there are a bunch a bikes set up with wide FMB tubulars. This brand wins a lot of classics those past 10 years... Cancellara, Boonen ...

  • @krisbowditch827
    @krisbowditch8277 жыл бұрын

    71 kg rider on a corima disc wheel with a 25 mm vittoria corsa speed G plus tub, what would be the option tyre pressure? love the info, brilliant videos top man!!!!!!

  • @Fastfitnesstips

    @Fastfitnesstips

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Front 78.9psi Rear 87.4psi typical ( or try 82.8 / 91.7 smooth tarmac 71 /78.6 rough concrete)

  • @johnf3326
    @johnf33263 жыл бұрын

    How would this apply to mtb and emtb? Same theory off road?

  • @jramirezar
    @jramirezar6 жыл бұрын

    Great video, incredible math show that some things like tyre weight has minimal effect in performance. I'd like to ask you for the power difference between a road bike (700x25 tyres for example) and mountain bike (hardtail 29x2.1)... How much could the speed difference at a given power on a paved road? Anyone has any idea about it? Thanks for your thoughts

  • @electricsky7194

    @electricsky7194

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not accurate #6 Tyre Weight 00 watts - Heavier tyre makes you pedal harder than lighter tyre. It is the same scientific fact about heavier rim needs more energy to rotate it every time.

  • @julianduque8832
    @julianduque88325 жыл бұрын

    Hey guys, in the spreadsheet, rider weight is naked weight or full equipped rider (helment, clothing, shoes, etc)? Also, bike weight is with or without bottles, gps computer, saddle bag?... Thanks in advance