"Soooo... magic and bullshittery flicker across the battlefield" may be my favorite quote from any Winters battle report haha

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

I guess my two Mutaliths now have names.

@mrpotatobutt

10 ай бұрын

@@WoffBoot YES!! I love it hahaha

@tomwest3039

10 ай бұрын

And Eldar was no where to be seen even!

I like the use of the Age of Sigmar monsters; they really fit in with the Thousand Sons' aesthetic. In fact, the entire army looks spanking.

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Thanks. It's a nice army to get creative with.

I’m stealing your phase “magic and bullshittery!” 😂😂😂😂

@whiteleyadam

10 ай бұрын

Should be on Stylus’s next T-Shirt

Thanks for the stampede, Winters. I had a monstrously good time. Stylus.

@BentJacket

10 ай бұрын

Love the court of miracles, how did you come up with the lore for them? Also hope to see more of you, Tsons under represented.

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

@@BentJacket Thanks! I started the army at the beginning of 8th Edition and built the narrative from there - taking notes of which sorcerers joined and how they performed in battle. If you want to see more Thousand Sons, there's a five-part narrative campaign on Winters' paid channel that features every Thousand Sons and Tzeentch Daemon model I own: The Silver Cage.

@BentJacket

10 ай бұрын

Oh I saw that back when DZTV was alive, loved it. Thanks for replying and keep up the good work man!@@WoffBoot

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

@@BentJacket Cheers! Glad you liked it.

1:05:20 Rules as written yes, deadly demise is a model affecting all units within range, there's no "except for his own unit". I've seen Necrons asking this about Silent King, I ctrl+F'd the FAQ and there's nothing about him or deadly demise interactions. So for now, apparently, both RAW and RAI seem to point to "create units out of deadly demise models at your own risk." EDIT: 1:21:23 Turning Stratagems to 0CP doesn't erase the penalty, meaning the stratagem still costs 1CP at that point.

@bitharne

10 ай бұрын

This; deadly demise DOES hurt a models' own unit at this moment.

Stylus is such a good guest, thanks Winters.

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Cheers, buddy.

Lovely Stylus, lovely Winters and lovely rolly dice. Nice.

Awesome Bat rep boys!! Looking forward to getting my hands on the new Tyranids codex

Love all the battle reports (but especially the ones with Stylus!)

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Great battlereport! Couple of moments though: 1. Twist of Fate removed armour save, but not 6++ from zoanthropes 2. Zoanthropes' "lascannons" are lethal and auto wound on 6s to hit 3. Unit of 2 carnifexes never gains +1 to hit for 1 model being wounded, as it is multi-model unit and should be below half strength (less than 1/2 models alive, which is zero for 2 model unit) to gain bonus 4. Swarmlord's swords are twin-linked and can re-roll wound rolls

@ikarian8318

10 ай бұрын

5.Echoes from the Warp must be played at the start of any phase and cannot be done as a reaction to a failed save.

How every game should finish! Great game guys :)

Great game. Nids coming back. But great strategy from winters to keep them alive so long.

Cracking game, great to see the fun, complexity and bullshittery of the T-Sons and the Crushers getting a stampede-out

What a game. So many clutch moments! Amazing content

Great bat rep! Really enjoyable, thanks both!

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Space Wizards VS Bad Bugs! Kaiju list looks cool..... Nidzilla.

Everytime i see thousand sons i know its stylus!!! Best guest

Carnifexes without Old One Eye??? Heresy!!! Also that Twist of Fate remove your armor save rule might be the worst rule GW ever ruled.

@garrhettroebuck8402

10 ай бұрын

I feel like if it was remove Invulnerable saves it would still be really strong but nowhere near as oppressive

@xenith_inc9659

10 ай бұрын

Nah, that was definitely when they started to have things that ignored invulnerable saves. Remove saves is something TS need as GW nerfed all their AP - inferno boltguns were effectively AP-4 in 7th ed, and dropped to AP-2, then AP-1 and remained the same price just about, thoug now they dropped to 19ppm from the ~24 they were.

yay winters'sunday.

For some reason i read the title as thousand sons v thousand sons. Would love to see a mirror match on the channel some time!

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

I'd love it, but I think it might break Winters.

"I hit once...OK, I CP reroll it...I hit once" 😄

Great game. What an ending!

Beautyful Tzeentsh Army!

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Now we need ultramarines and we’ll have the complete Space Marine 2 sandbox.

Really enjoyed this one.

Great batrep 😊

great game!

1:36:20 when he was attacking the infantry with warpsmite, 4+ anti infantry and also devastating wounds... he said the 6 was devastating, when in fact both should have been devastating as the 4+ anti infantry triggers an automatic crit too as he rolled a 4 and a 6

Great Game Guys! Stone Crusher Stampede is back 100111010010101001010011

Great game, very entertaining. Well played both.

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Thanks butty!

Very entertaining, would love to have seen Magnus

Great batrep, PS: the bright objective markers were easier to see. x)

Magic and bullshittery haha, this broke Winters.

No Norn??? 😭

Very nice battle report, I enjoy a lot actually. Be careful, you wasn't actually able to save your winged demon prince with Ahriman, as far as "Echoes of the Warp" has to be chosen at the beginning of a phase !

Winters. I really need to come and have a game with you soon!

@brianbassett3896

10 ай бұрын

Da Broken Toof tribe should Krump da 13th!

1:14:16 You can just feel the anger simmering. 1K Sons have soooo much BS for relatively little cost. "All my guns have Sustained, Devastating and Lethal Hits, also I ignore incoming damage also I turn off your saves". Thank god at least the last one was changed. EDIT: Winters should've won because those Terminators failed Battleshock. He already rolled his Battleshock test so he wasn't eligible for Insane Bravery.

Those Tzeentch models look great

Great match!

Magic and bullshittery is how I described my style in the bedroom. Not with sex, just with getting dressed and things. I play Warhammer, so you should just assume sex isnt a guarantee

Im not sure but I think you guys missed to play the mutalith beast’s mortal wound stuff at the end of the movement phase (even when in combat).

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Possibly so. It's a useful ability for ongoing combat. I've only thought of it in terms of moving.

@laszlopolyak4353

10 ай бұрын

@@WoffBoot The most fun part of that ability that the beast doesn’t have to do a move, it simply happens at the end of the move phase. Even if it hasn’t charged anything yet, but in that close range.

For the Thousand Sons, Cabal rituals are done at the start of the phase so you need to pre-empt using them. The winged daemon prince wouldn't of been able to have the ritual done on them. Arhiman give his unit +1 to wound. Terminator sorcerer give the unit lethal hit as standard. He also has anti monster 4+

@nthompson6643

10 ай бұрын

he also forgot that vortex beasts do mortal wounds at the end of movement phase

@nthompson6643

10 ай бұрын

his daemon prince without wings also got hit by zoanthroaps but forgot he had stealth

@nthompson6643

10 ай бұрын

terminator sorcerer also gives out lethal hits, psychic or not

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

Good notes. Thank you.

Swarmlord’s blades are twin-linked.

Dropped dice don't count!

We need a battle with the assimilator

It's really funny from several Battlereps across YT that I watched of people playing Tyranids, the players always seem so unlucky rolling. I could swear this is the 3rd rep that I've seen where from 3 Zoanthropes only 1 hits and then either fails to wound or gets saved :) Just a very fun coincidence

ohhhh, nice!!

Winters didn't your turn 1 objective "Storm hostile objective" say to shuffle it back into the deck? As it can't be scored in turn 1?

Isn't Stylus' list 2100 points? Either way, great game, always fun to see the Thousand Sons on the channel and Stylus especially, taught me a lot about how to play them myself.

great game as always guys, 1 thing to note, you need to be wholly within a ruin now to shoot out of it, can't just move up and touch them to see through.

Best wh channel with best reports) Like and comment for support and youtube algorithms

A unit of 2 Carnifex has a Starting Strenght of 2, so only if one dies it is under its Starting Strenght...and so could it be ever under less than half of its Starting Strenght? Is a unit of two monsters quite useless in Crusher Stampede? Better to field only single monsters?

gotta love the nids

Kevins mele weapon is twin linked

Did you have to fall back the Tyrannofex at the end? I thought you could shoot into a combat that involves a monster now, or am I mistaken?

@anvos658

4 ай бұрын

He could but he let rule of cool dictate his strategy over big bug vomits on them for better math.

No Norn Emissary?!

Winters I don’t think I have disagreed with you more than when you said blasting with brain bug las cannons is cooler than disintegrating terminators with acid

Love you Winters

GG

Oh no oh no. Using the one shot profile of the Zoanthrope's against rubric marines. Even though the other profile is d3 damage with blast. Yikes.... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Also the swarmlord's melee weapons are twin linked..

Your second Mutalith, looks suspiciously like a Kharybdis, which isn't Tzeentch, seems suspiciously more like a changeling, explains why it did nothing. Unrelated, but how does the Heirosphex(model) not break that large proboscis tongue. Deadly Demise should hit their own unit as their in the blast zone. Well that happened killing 2 monsters on the opponet's turn. Oof looks like you drew a defective strain of Zoanthropes that are afraid of heights. Well that was a close game, that Tzneetch won by making the tyranids go the rule of cool over math.

Sad that it was recognised the Daemon Prince had been using the wrong toughness and said to kill it and then in the next breath, pulled out all stops to keep it alive... but otherwise, fun report! :3

@zHawkC

10 ай бұрын

I thought the same, also couldn't use the cabal thingy because it wasn't the start of the round. Especially when the Prince then wiped a unit of warriors, killed 2 zoanthropes, scored points for get behind enemy lines and then charged the big bug XD. In such a close game that totally swung the victory.

Finally Farseer Winters said "Nein!" again. I have been waiting so long for this!

As simplified as the Thousand Sons are he still made several noteworthy mistakes 😅 like that terminator sorcerer is a lieutenant that gives his units lethal hits in both shooting and melee so that bonus lethal hits for psychic weapons was redundant on the terminators, and cabal abilities have to be used at the start of a phase so the prince with wings died to the warriors because Ahriman couldn’t have used his cabal ability then

@nimander5483

10 ай бұрын

The biggest challenge with playing Thousand Sons is keeping track of all the abilities, Psychic attack profiles, and using Cabal Sorceries at the start of phases.

@Hajit2

10 ай бұрын

Another one that I noticed - ritual making strat 0 CP. That strat must cost 1 CP because being increased by swarmlord

@blade2453

10 ай бұрын

@@Hajit2 I don’t know if the verdict from GW is out on that, but I’m pretty sure the swarmlord’s ability wouldn’t affect the free strategem. The order of operations there seems to be that the swarmlord increases the cost when the strategem is used in one phase, then in a later phase (after the +1 cost is applied) the ritual drops the cost to 0

@HereticDave40k

10 ай бұрын

​@blade2453 reductions happens first, it's in the rules commentary. So goes to 0, then gets plus 1

@blade2453

10 ай бұрын

@@HereticDave40k the commentary doesn’t say anything about the order of operations for cp modifiers specifically, and the commentary on modifiers in general state “you must apply division modifiers before multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction” meaning the cp increase would be applied before the reduction to 0. Thanks for pointing out the commentary though, I didn’t know it had a dedicated section for how to apply modifiers until now

The Scarab Occult Terminators actually get Lethal Hits on all their weapons not just psychic weapons when being led by the Sorc in terminator armour!

Iirc vect abilities to increase CP cost of strategems still work against things making them free. So the 1kS strat used around 01:21:00 should go from 1 to 2 to 1 rather than to 0. Take that, Tzeentchian bullshit!

Didn't the cat daemon prince have stealth? Meant the zoanthropes would have missed?

Winters, I thought the whole point of the trannofex acid spay was the overwatch capability. In turn two the mutalith beast waltzed straight into a stream of acid (or so I thought). Did the cabal shnanagins not allow the overwatch? Ah 2nd one coped the overwatch, nice.

If you double cost of a stat, then they use it for free with cabal. Still need to pay one for it.

if you vect a strat, when you make it zero cp through whatever ability, you still have to add the +1 from the vect, so it would cost 1cp and not be free.

If the strat cost is increased to 2, even if you use an ability to get it for free, it still costs 1 cp.

Don’t want to spoil the fun because I do not know if this is played with the new dataslate but either way the demon prince with wings had died as the warriors charged in. Cabal rituals A) has to be declared at the start of a Phase and B) the strat is no battle tactic (in case the Dataslate is in effect) Anyway, great Battlereport! Magic and bullshittery made my day 😂👍

I think you could have spent a cp on Untrammelled Ferocity and fallback over the terminators to out OC them at the end of the game denying Defend Stronghold and won?

The rules for the Norn Emissary are genuinely embarrassing!! 6 strength 9 attacks for 285 points it’s basically a hive tyrant 😂😂 Stunning model but needs to be FAQ’d ASAP! So tempted to start a monster list Hive tyrant with 6 guard Double Tfex with acid spray that can move and shoot within 6 of the HT 🤮🤮 Double exocrine with rupture cannon Tfex at the back Norn Emissary and Norn Assimilator running round killing anything.

@effindave6909

10 ай бұрын

Honestly I don't know that the Tyrant Guard are worth it. Build your HT with extra scything talons and hide him till late game and use the points to add another monster that does some damage. For the 190 points you could take a Trygon for some backline deepstriking shenanigans.

@samuelfry8192

10 ай бұрын

@@effindave6909 Valid point you make! Tyrant guard just look really cool but I know GW changed the whole bodyguard organism rule 🙄 Always wanted to do a monster army for Nids and now we FINALLY can

@effindave6909

10 ай бұрын

@@samuelfry8192 I hear ya, my current 2k monster mash list is... Hive Tyrant Old One Eye (he makes carnifexes MUCH better) 2x Haraspex 2xTyrannofex w/ acid spray Tyrannofex w/ rupture cannon Maleceptor 2x Carifexes w/ talons and venom cannons Mawloc 2x 3 Zoanthropes 5x Barbguants I have had really good luck with this list even against my buddies Orks that are loaded with anti-monster 4+ squighog boys and Beastsnagga boys. I imagine it'll change some with the new codex and points values but not too terribly much.

@samuelfry8192

10 ай бұрын

@@effindave6909 OOE is an auto include if your taking fexes!! 💯 Not a fan of the haurespex looks wise but he’s now decent in combat in 10th Acid spray Tfexes are really good for blobs of infantry and overwatch 🤮🤮 Plus they can move and shoot within 6 inches of the HT. How you finding ruputure cannon tfex? I think the exocrines are an auto include they’ve really grown on me! Gonna have both of the Norn Variants but they need to be FAQ’d 🤝

@effindave6909

10 ай бұрын

@@samuelfry8192 I like the rupture cannons on paper but they never seem to work out for me. I'd much rather they were d6+3 damage or something to make them a bit less swingy. Also after you've murdernated all your opponents big stuff they don't serve much of a purpose. The acid sprays are great though like you said overwatch and they're great midfield objective holders. The emissary does need a bit of love but we have to remember that it has access to a pretty solid anti-infantry profile that the Assimilator does not. With the 4++ and fnp with OC15 on a chosen objective I think there's some play there.

Anyone ever take a step back and realize how fkn complicated this shit is and how much time and money we invest in it😂👍

You said: "if you wanna start with tsons, you cant go wrong with 3 mutalith vortex beasts". I just wanna say that you will likely run 1 and not more.

I wouldn't have the patience to play against an army entirely made of "Um, actually.."

Stylus, you can’t use a strat on a battleshocked target! - I.e. your demon prince on Turn 2. For once out the nid faction rule does something and it gets ignored lmao - literally game changing too… GG guys still a fun match

Defend stronghold is 3VP not 5

Cool report. TS still annoying. In the last round when the terminators failed their battle shock he chose to spend a command point to make them pass. You have to spend the point before you roll for battle shock.

Stylus needs to remember that the daemon prince without wings has lone operative so can be played far more aggressively without risking being shot.

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure either Daemon Prince has that ability, but it was my first outing with them in 10th.

I killed Ahriman with a headbutt.

If only Zoanthropes had an anti-elite option with blast ............ :(

Stylus cheating all game..

@WoffBoot

10 ай бұрын

And I would have gotten away with it too if someone hadn't filmed the whole thing and posted it the internet.

Playing the strat to keep the prince alive after messing up on the toughness was poor form.