THE FACTORY MUST GROW

@truocnojj

2 ай бұрын

This comment fired up my smelting column.

This board is way better than it should be for $100, a great base to put switches in but the box whites it comes with were a great pick for it.

I think you just found the best board to house the Clickiez. This is by far the best sounding modern keyboard-switch combo you made. I think with matching SA ABS caps, these would be close to Alps-like in sound now. Speaking of Alps, i forgot to ask this side question that you may have never answered... what ever happened to the Datacomp FK555 Blue Alps Keyboard?

@vincentlaurensius8714

2 ай бұрын

no wait, what abt ncr80 tho?

@AlexanderDiviFilius

2 ай бұрын

@@vincentlaurensius8714NCR 80 sounds pretty good, but it’s poorly made

@zakutenakazumiya1516

2 ай бұрын

@@vincentlaurensius8714 and that was done by a different guy, I/O Sam.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

Do you mean the DFK-515AT? I traded it for another board, a long time ago. I'm not even sure which one anymore xD .

@bobweiram6321

2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderDiviFiliusWhat's wrong with the NCR? I have my eyes on the gray one. The case is reasonably priced but the full assembly is overpriced.

Clack clack clack FTW This is _brrrt_ for keyboards. Sounds like an ultimate typing experience. I hope there is some heavy 70+g springs involved. Gotta go get my white ALPS NTC asap and code something on it.

@JahongirHaitov

2 ай бұрын

I can confirm they are heavy as hell. And if you switch them into the tactile position, they get 110+ grams.

the difference is astounding. i’d be very interested to hear what tactile modded clickiez sound like in this chassis, although i’m sure that would we be way too much work!

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's a bit much xD .

plackplackplack donk plackplackplackplack donk plackplack... Sounds fine. The spacebar seems to lack personality, though.

Interesting.... Based on the recorded sound, I think that case adds a ton of it's own resonance to the clickiez... Which may or may not be desirable. I have a set of clickiez in the class 80, and I think that keyboard affects their sound far less (probably due to the density of the case)

The Zeal switches sound's... fuller, less 'ping' and more 'clack'... don't know how to describe it. It sounds a lot closer to ALPS. Definitely my next goal: to replace the current white switches to the Zeals. Many thanks for shooting this video 👍

@tendieman69

2 ай бұрын

No it doesn’t. Alps sounds like a gentle click, where zeal sounds like echo clack with plastic knocking on each other. It honestly sounds terrible and cheap. Not to mention the force required to even press it down is way too sharp where some space bar can’t even return properly due to amber style leaf teeth.

@roundduckkira

2 ай бұрын

zeal clickiez actually sound quite alps like despite the different sound at its core, ion sam made a video with them on the ncr 80 that sounds glorious that chyrosran22 commented on, and even my bauer lite with a alu plate (the original plastic plate made it sound overly plasticky) sounds pretty nice. You just don't throw clickiez on a not hollow alu design, even the alu boards on zeal's channel makes their sound, well, sound like crap. Hollowness, plastic possibly, clickiez, and a metal or stiff plate are needed to simulate that old keyboard sound.

@roundduckkira

2 ай бұрын

@@tendieman69the failing to return is more blamed on the light switches using overly light springs, they use 40g springs, as in bottom out. Yes it takes more force to actuate mx red than it is to press a linearized clickiez switch fully down. add a clicker and it gives a weird force situation when stabbed keys are involved.

@minhquanvu2944

2 ай бұрын

Lol no, clack is high pitch bottom out, this sound warm and deep af

@roundduckkira

2 ай бұрын

@@tendieman69also alps is the opposite of gentle, listen to those typing tests again, very loud sound. that said, it is funny tho because as standalone switches clickiez and alps sound drastically different (clickiez has a tonk sound while alps has a more typical but deep click sound) but in keyboards they sound similar. The main weak spot acoustically for Clickiez is from the material, not using nylon (like Cherry) or abs (like ALPS) does lead to that typical translucent mx switch bottom out sound, but the click makes up for it and blends in with the sound.

Imagine how good Clickiez would sound if they had a black enclosure like Alps.

@skycorrigan6511

2 ай бұрын

Wait, what? What do you mean?

@pickle4293

2 ай бұрын

@@skycorrigan6511I think that the enclosure of the switches would sound better on a different type of plastic like POM.

@GurtTarctor

2 ай бұрын

​@@pickle4293An enclosure with a greater volume would likely affect the sound a bit.

@pickle4293

2 ай бұрын

@@GurtTarctor Doesn't hurt to make another prototype...

@impointr

2 ай бұрын

So you mean nylon housings then. POM would mute those switches quite a bunch.

Damn that sounds good

You should should try Kailh Box Summer if you like the Kailh Box White V2. Very similar typing feel but the Summers are a lot noisier which is why I use them in a Q8 with brass plate.

These can also be tactile if you want them like that, or even linear. They are three in one.

It does sound nice.

You should totally try this with SA keycaps or those ceramic keycaps xD

While the Zeal Clickiez sound really good for MX type clicky switch I just wish Zeal would produce a variant with fraction of the tactility as even the 40g variant tactility is overkill for longer typing sessions. By experimenting a bit I found that by bending Clickiez leaves just the right amount the switches are capable of light tactility force with still keeping most of the sound. Unfortunately this mod is too unreliable to do manually in order to generate consistent batch of similar feeling and sounding switches.

These sound good. Not sure if better than my White V2... However, 40g and 75g seem like either too light or too heavy for me. I'm using 68g Gazzew U4T tactiles at work and the weight is just perfect for typing to me.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

I prefer the typing feel of the whites, as Clickiez are WAY over-tactile. But the sound is definitely better, IMO.

Factorio rulez! :)

What watch is that? Looks alot like my seiko pressage blue moon ❤

@kevkosk8289

2 ай бұрын

I also would like to know

@BB-tw8dq

2 ай бұрын

It looks like GANT W70605.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

@@BB-tw8dq You're probably correct, it is definitely a Gant watch at least :) .

But the spacebar, though. I'd like a little bit more damping in the spacebar, in most keyboards.

Hey Thomas, am I'm really bad at listening, or is the sound here not discernibly different from the typing demo at the end of the review? Could one of them be the wrong switch?

@GurtTarctor

2 ай бұрын

The difference is primarily noticeable in the high frequencies. Box Whites have a much higher pitched and very short click due to the click bar, Clickiez have a lower pitched and "fuller" sounding click due to the larger click leaf and the fact they impact the housing. But aside from that the overall sound in the two tests is quite similar as the keyboard's construction and caps contribute to most of the audible feedback. If you compared the two switch designs in a dampened metal case keyboard the difference would be much more obvious.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

The review used Box White V2 switches, this uses ZealPC Clickiez. They are very different switches.

45 or 70g ?

god i need a bunch of clickiez and the famicom version of this board (and more clickiez for another build) love to be broke

same configuration, nooooice

Coworkers would love it

Is this click leaf?

@sir0herrbatka

2 ай бұрын

Yes.

Hey we need the specs for that watch too!!

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

It's some sort of Gant watch, I'm not sure which model.

is this the 40g or 75g?

@MCTAP

2 ай бұрын

knowing him probably the 75g

@AlexanderDiviFilius

2 ай бұрын

@@MCTAPdoubt it, he found the 75g far too heavy in his review. Even the 40g switches were heavier than he’d have liked.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderDiviFilius You are correct, they are the 40 g (green) variant :) .

Gat melodics in there would probably do well

@jayeaaaaa

2 ай бұрын

I did that exact thing Expect the sounds to be much higher pitched, because the click leaf is smaller than that of the Clickiez

@CountRichard

2 ай бұрын

The initial review of the board was with melodics, there's a typing demonstration at the end of that video

I dunno.... I think I prefer the box whites that were in there. The space bar sounds especially worse. There's an overall hollow quality to the sound that I don't like.

@Chyrosran22

2 ай бұрын

The spacebar is the only switch I didn't swap over xD . As it turned out, I apparently swapped the spacebar switch over for a stiffer Clickie switch right away, so much so that I actually forgot it was there xD . So the review features a Clickie spacebar!

If only there was a full size... Can't justify buying a TKL with the amount of 10-key data entry I have to do for my job

@oOsillyrabbitOo

2 ай бұрын

Imagine not owning multiple keyboards

@vincentlaurensius8714

2 ай бұрын

just get a separate numpad lmao. this thing's too good not to buy

Shame it's a TKL...

@Puxi

2 ай бұрын

Ok home simspon

@Aeolous1

2 ай бұрын

ok ogy and cokcroch

@Puxi

2 ай бұрын

@@Aeolous1 okya master chef

All Zeal needs to do is release this switch with lighter weighting, as well as somewhat reduced tactility. Would become the perfect daily driver switch at that point.

@dark_monarch0073

2 ай бұрын

You could try Gateron Melodic, but even those are too tactile for me. II wish we had SMKs with cherry pinouts. The SMK board I have feels perfect, but I really wanna put them in an ergo board.

@Damien_N

2 ай бұрын

I have a keyboard full of the 70G ones all modded for tactility. It’s a meme. Heaviest typing I’ve ever experienced. Cliff edge tactility. Borderline unusable. It’s magical.

@Nizzon.

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like you want Kailh Box White V2 or Kailh Box Cloud Leopard?

@AlexanderDiviFilius

2 ай бұрын

@@Nizzon. I like those the box whites, but I prefer the feeling of a click leaf, as well as the overall sound. I’m sure a company will make what I want eventually though, and I’m mostly happy to wait

@VladK-1

2 ай бұрын

Gateron Melodic are lighter and sound great. But yeah, they have sharp tactility-not a smooth bump but rather a cliff-falling experience after the click area, which is pretty much expected considering how they're implemented (small metal leaf causing resistance and clicking noise once you're past it).

Man if only people wernt whiney little babies about this being too loud for them even though they have their headphones on all the time anyways Literally your the only dude who makes keuboard videos who doesnt think good keyboard souunds is the weak ass barely audible "Creamy" sound which no its not creamy its boring asmr isnt supposed to be so quiet that you cant hear it

@cloudycolacorp

2 ай бұрын

Most “omg le thoccy” keyboard videos I see just sound like someone rattling a bag of baby teeth or something

@vincentlaurensius8714

2 ай бұрын

frr 😭 one of my mate done one of those asmr creamy coom video. went to his place the other day and tried the thing. a gmk75 thingmabob stuffed to the brim with dampening foam n stuff. i kid you not, it was the mutest thing ive ever touched wtf, even my dead hamster makes a bit of noise💀 all these typa keyboards only sound "good" when you shove a mic up its ass istg

@iforgotmyname2306

2 ай бұрын

Have you ever heard of such a thing as "preference"?

@BlissBee

2 ай бұрын

@@iforgotmyname2306 yeah and I don't understand why the lamest sound of all time is everybody's preference like their holy grail is a keyboard that doesn't make any noise besides the keys bottoming out on the case at that point why even use a keyboard

@typedef_

2 ай бұрын

​@@BlissBeeyea bro because it's not about what people prefer, it's about what you prefer. Whatever sound you say is the best, that's the best sound objectively, that's how reality works.