Nice Sur Ron video! excited to see the tubeless set up.

that snap on cabinet is so fire!

Good on you guys for experimenting with the simple approach to tubeless. I don't think the average rider is gonna spin the tire loose but I guess time will tell how it works out. I ran a simple set up like that for many years on various KTM 2 and 4 four stokes. I ran a trials tire and sealed spokes with sealant and duct tape.I didn't even run sealant inside the tire. I could run as little as 8psi and never had rim de-bead or spin. If the bike sat for a while sure it would lose some air but so do most tubes. I did plenty of Nor-Cal rocky technical trail riding as well as high speed paved twisties....Just always carry a tube in case

I run hare scrambles in Florida and Montana...and always use low air pressure like 10 to 12 lbs also in my dirt bikes. Another suggestion before going full tubeless, is to remove your valve core and just add say 2 or 3 ounces of Stan's or any sealant. It works great and really helps prevent pinch flats which are notorious in FL sand and MT light snow roots, etc... Then if you ever do rip your valve or such, you can do the tubeless route then. I get tons of extra life from my tubes when doing that. Also, don't spread the sealant in the tire on your tubeless setup until after you set the bead. The latex or sealant gets in-between the bead and rim and latex rolls into little balls as it dries. So you don't want it to leak out and make a mess and have less in the tire anyhow, so just set the bead then spin and bounce your tire...will work way better. Happy trails and thx for the great videos.

Looking forward to your long term results

Super helpful , just about to do this to my super 73 🤙

Great tutorial. Well described. I have tried 4 different sealants, Stans, Orange, AmerSeal, and Slime. Totally honest, SLIME works best (cheapest, easiest to get, doesn't dry out and turn to snot), both for my Enduro 2 stroke WITH Tubliss 2.0, and my mountain bike(s). I threw about 6 ounces of Slime into the Enduro Tubliss 2 while mounting the inner liner and tire, and I do NOT have any air loss (over 2 years running and a few tires later). But when I convert the Sur Ron to tubeless this spring, I am going to try a mousse for the first time. Wish me luck! Definitely looking into getting an 18 inch rear wheel made too. If a 3.5 inch tire fits, I would love that low pressure for climbing and ultimate traction.

Wow! This is really cool guys! :)

Super informative.

While I run the Tubliss 2.0, I still watched this all the way through. One suggestion, when putting the sealant in, keep your wheel on the truing stand and spin it after. Much better distribution. If you don't have a stand put it back on the bike and run at low speed for a bit. Hopefully you get a good seal first try. Thanks for putting out the content. Eagerly awaiting the next run of controllers.

@Seldoff

3 жыл бұрын

What's your experience with Tubliss on the Surron?

@MTO_Brothers

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't you have a hard time installing the tire with the tubeless?

@ff24

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seldoff So far great. It's rainy season here in Hawaii and the mud can be deep, sticky, and sloppy or thin over hardpack and slick as snot. Im running an 18"x 3.50" rear as are most of the guys i ride with. Yesterday was really wet and i rode at about 4 psi. Other guys have done entire rides of 2+ hours at 0 psi. This is over roots and rocks with plenty of climbs and descents. No flats or rim damage yet. The inner high pressure tube keeps everything locked in place. The wheel setup was a game changer. Spinning the rear is a thing of the past. You lose a little bit of the initial punch on takeoff, but the torque that tire puts to the ground is amazing. I can crawl up stuff i had to hit full speed to make before.

@BrianLampright913

3 жыл бұрын

You converted to a wider 18” motocross rim, that’s important info, I don’t think you can make a tubliss work with the stock SurRon rim, it’s too narrow.

@ff24

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianLampright913 Correct, I'm running an 18" x 2.5" moose racing rim with a Kenda257d 18" x 3.5" tire.

Absolutely love to mainline my Sealant😩😩

Nice. I’m running tubeless on my 26 inch front wheel. I may as well do the rear too now with my extra tubeless valve stem.

@BrianLampright913

3 жыл бұрын

26”??? Mountain bike wheel?

@skyungjae

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianLampright913 yeah, it's a 21" wheel alternative for people with RST forks.

@BrianLampright913

3 жыл бұрын

Aren’t you scared of exploding that wheel and having a huge crash as a result? The way we ride I couldn’t trust a MTB wheel on the SurRon. But if you aren’t aggressive then the light weight of a MTB setup would be awesome!

@skyungjae

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianLampright913 people have ran mtb fronts on the sur ron for since they first came out and much longer with motopeds. They are plenty robust in terms of strength for hard riding and jumps. The only complaint is tire life and resistance to punctures. I’d do a 24” mtb rear wheel, but I’ve had too many pinch flats on my quilbix 76 clone.

@BrianLampright913

3 жыл бұрын

@@skyungjae yeah the wheels on MtB can take some serious abuse if built right, but not a lot of margin for error vs an MX wheel. The tires are a massive difference in bead and sidewall construction which would cause a lot of problems for fast people in rocks and corners and stuff on a 110lb bike, heck I can make a tubeless MTB tire burp in a fast corner or rock garden on my 30lb mountain bike. a 21”/17” full sized motocross wheel setup is crazy overkill for the SurRon, adding a ton of weight in the worst place. I can see why there are so many variations everyone is trying out. I’m building up a new wheelset right now, just waiting for spokes and I think I’ve nailed the best setup. More to come once it’s built...

Finally! Woop woop! What tire is that? Have you tried running it over a 2x4 lined with nails like the other tubeless videos? I'd love to see how well it seals!

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe once I’m ready to put new tires on😂😂 tires are expensive and we make virtually nothing off ad revenue haha. Would be a cool vid

Which valve should I get? And what size? 40mm or 46mm? I have a surron c and want to make mine tubeless

Hey guys great video I'm gonna give this a try but I have a question. In the start the first valve stem you show was a (velotubes) roadup fr21d with 4 holes designed for cushcore insert then when you actually put the valve in you used the velotubes fr21 just one regular hole on the bottom . Was there a reason you choose to use one over the other ? Thanks

@emotobros

2 жыл бұрын

You know more than us! There was no particular reason we used one over the other, just what we had laying around and it seemed to work! We still recommend Tubliss over this but this is far more economical.

For anyone that just got a Sur Ron, go ahead and add slime to it. I ride some beach trails that have some nasty thorns. My Onewheel is tubeless and the slime has saved me many times. And now with the Sur Ron, the slime has also saved them. (Buy the slime with a red label as it’s for use with inner tubes) I’m waiting until my tires need to be replaced to go with some Maxxis Maxcross tubeless tires

Now it's been a year any issues ?

Hey guys! So I gave that tubeless setup a try. I managed to get one tyre set up, inflating it at a car tyre shop and rode a couple of times with it. The second wheel there's no way to seat the tyre, I wonder whether my compressor (170L/min at 110psi) is powerful enough to seat the tyre. Looks like your compressor is huge (at least the tank), maybe that helps.

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

You shouldn’t need to go above 35 PSI to seat, I’ve tried and learned the hard way with a massive explosion and a loss of hearing for a while! What helps most is lubrication on the bead. We didn’t need it in this video but we recommend using that stuff that they put on car tires to get the bead to seat. That should do the trick 🤘🏽

@MTO_Brothers

3 жыл бұрын

@@emotobros thanks for your answer. The issue I’m facing though is that air goes out faster than it goes in and I can’t manage to have pressure at all…

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

The tire does need to be relatively in place on the rim. The tires I used had a pretty thick sidewall so they naturally popped into a position on the rim that allowed for a pretty easy inflation. I would suggest bouncing it around to try and get a good centering seal to begin with and it never hearts to put in more sealant. Although the actually pressure of your air compressor doesn’t need to go over 35 psi, you do need a high enough flow rate to push it out. While my compressor was able to do this it’s possible some compressors aren’t able to push enough air fast enough. If you are trying to inflate it you can usually see where sealant is flowing out from a bad seal. I would try targeting problem areas by pushing on the outside of the tire into the rim to help the tire seat on the bead.

I want to get fox 40 for my Surron but I don’t know how to get a normal dirt bike fender mounted on them does anyone have advice?

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

There’s no way to put a dirt bike fender on it because they are not inverted forks and the cross support on the lowers would come up and hit the fender. A fender needs to be mounted to the lowers, most mountain bikers do this with zip ties, and a thin plastic or laminated cardboard cutout. I’ve done it with a cardboard from a box of beer when I had a mountain bike

Very interesting! I was planning on doing a tubeless conversion for my Sur Ron, but everyone was telling me it wouldn't work. Have you put many miles on this setup and how is it working? What pressure are you running with the Tubeless setup? I actually have everything in my garage to do the conversion and this might be a fun Sunday afternoon project.

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

I have put probably 20 miles on now, running like 25 psi with no issues. If I go off-road and need more traction I will probably try out 15 psi. I imagine that at 15 psi the tire will probably slip around the rim but should stay on. Definitely works, not as good as tubliss but at the end of the day it limits pinch and punctures which is enough justification for me. Especially when it costs about as much as a new tube.

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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i purchased the tubliss kit, something to note, they add a decent amount of weight.

They make a part to stop the tube from spinning it works well

😎

By any chance will there be a bac8000 emoto bros kit down the line?

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

We have covered this in a lot of detail before but the short answer is no, because there is no good reason too. A big misconception is that the 8000 has usable performance benefits but that’s really not the case. The BAC4000 can already handle way more power than you should be running through your bikes motor

@tyruswilliams7223

3 жыл бұрын

@@emotobros ok

Been doing this for a decade, Next time you do this tape the rim and out in your valve stem then put the tire on and pop it on bead with no sealant then let the air out , take the core out and put in the sealant, valve back in then fill it up again and roll it around you won’t lose any sealant hat way and get the best seal and keep it all in there

Wow

would a heat gun help adhesion?

@emotobros

2 жыл бұрын

Adhesion between what?

How is this holding up man?

When will there be more bac4000 kits?

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

We don’t have a definitive date. Hoping the next couple weeks as that is what we’ve been told.

Hey buddy.... I'm new to your channel and just subscribed. I would like to see if you or your subscribers can offer me your opinion on a sur ron. I know there's the x-controller and 2 others like the 400 or 800 bac controllers, plus a few battery upgrades from larger 60v to different size 72v. So....... I'm a 250LB man and what I'm looking for out of this setup is 50mph with the longest range possible hopefully getting 40 miles riding 35-50 mph and 85% of the time on the streets. ANY AND ALL OPIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. thanks!!!

They make extra thick inner tubes and they make really good heavy duty liners that you can put in your wheel and then you put the inner tube in and then you put it on your rim and voila no need for a nasty gorilla tape or sealant you will never get a flat you can go over nails raise your blades you name it it will not go through glass all day

You didn’t link a tire. Did you not change it?

What do you guys think of those "Tubliss©" tire tubes? Seems like a surron would be the perfect bike for this product. Lol should have waited till the end..

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

Have a video on it soon!

@PhiTonics

3 жыл бұрын

@@emotobros awesome, seems like a match made in heaven... but maybe not, can't wait!🙌

You know you can remove the core on the tube valve and put sealant in the tube and its win win

I think with your aggressive riding you are going to have problems with the tire slipping on the rim running the MTB version of tubeless. You only have a 19” rim in the rear vs a 27/29 and that’s a loss of 30% surface area for the tire to grab the metal rim and stay in place. But the bigger problem is on MTB we run 25 psi or more pressing the tire against the rim. I think you’ll find this setup is not going to work and you’ll be buying a tubliss kit which are absolutely fantastic, I run them on my moto bikes. There is also a problem with tubliss on SurRon, the rim used is much more narrow than a 19” rear motocross rim (by 20mm) which the system was designed for.

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

I guess we will find out. So far no issues

Should just run a bead lock if your spinning tires. $16 and drill a hole. Under 23psi and more powerful set up your going to be spinning tires. Even tube less.! Many years racing the GNCC'S we would use NUETECH TUBLISS set up. RIM locks have to use a tube whitch sucks woods racing because of pinch flats. NUETECH uses a really cool design. just something to think about. My rims don't come with a bead lock hole I leave this to customers to decide whether or not they need one. Can easily be done.

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna go tubliss when I get your wheel set. This was a bit of a an experiment. I’m fine with a little slip so long as I don’t pop the tire of the rim due to it. I covered bead locks as an option in the video but like you said, you still have to run a tube which I wanted to move away from.

@montemcdonald7105

3 жыл бұрын

Any reason you couldn't run a rim lock with the tubeless setup? Just use an o-ring behind the nut on the rim lock?

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

It just creates another place for air and sealant to get out. That being said, I haven’t personally ran it so if your tape is sturdy enough, and you use Orings like on the valve, I could see it working.

The reason why your sealant was coming out around your valve stem is because you sliced an x into the gorilla tape instead you should have made a circle shape cut and remove the hole itself

You can do ghetto tubeless with stans and a 16-20in BMX tube split open and spread over the rim. Harder to get tire on, but with a good set of mx tire irons, it's NBD....problem is every time you change the tire you have to do it all over again, so I went back to tubes. Good mx tires and about 14psi, and you won't pinch it. I do 60ft gaps on mine....check my channel out....lol

Seat the tire beads BEFORE you put the sealant in. You lost a lot of sealant because the bead was not seated tight.

Hey, yo, ever heard of a rim lock? Jeez man!

@emotobros

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I covered that as another option in the video. I wanted to experiment with other options.

No water just torque caused the slippage.

RE: leak around the stem. - the O-ring should have gone INSIDE the rim. (i think)

Makes a how to video, but doesn’t have the skills to put on rim tape. 🤨. C’mon guy.

You seem likE your always out of breath

@emotobros

2 жыл бұрын

It was cold 😤😤😮‍💨