That's the last time I play the GPLama "Happy Days" drinking game. I'm hammered after that episode! 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

@corymiller4543

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine if you had played Happy Days AND Lama F Bomb for the same video....you'd be in the hospital right now recovering from alcohol poisoning ;) Gotta Love the Lama...entertaining and informative as always. In all seriousness, after watching this, other than for my MTB which came with Tubeless setup out of the box, in no hurry to convert my Cervelo over, even with as crappy as the roads are that we ride here in South, and Central Texas. Admittedly , changing a tube road side in 110 degree, 70% humidity is NO fun, but I've had pretty good luck running Conti gatorskins on training wheels and so probably stick to that formula and skip tubeless for the time being.

Shane, you have experienced what the practical world calls: The reality package. I don't love or hate but I do enjoy my time; If I have to spend extra time on tubeless prep etc., the marginal gains become pointless. Latex tubes with high quality clinchers are difficult to beat. Clean, convenient, swappable, and cheaper. Time is everything even off the bike. I mean really; Soapy water? Rim tape? Valve core? Special pump? Sealant? Phone a friend? We've been had.

@wubble666

5 жыл бұрын

Having better luck than everyone that I know with tubeless. They all seem to get at least a 1/3 of the punctures that I do but they are all far more serious and generally lead to having to spend 20-40 minutes roadside to fix or calling for a lift.

@wubble666

5 жыл бұрын

@qoobeq because even if you have a tube you need need to get it off the rim, clean out all the goop with out getting it all over yourself and then once you have the tube in get the tire to sit again.

@scoopermg8226

5 жыл бұрын

I've found from experience that Shane is correct about new tyres...really easy. Used tubeless I've found more problematic but learnt how to do it successfully. In short, I now don't move my tyres, I let them wear. Just top up the sealant. Never been let down in over 10000miles and all I carry is an anchovy repair kit and minipump. Tiny.

@lechprotean

5 жыл бұрын

@@wubble666 same here - my shiny new Giant TCR came with Gavia Tubeless setup by default. 0 maintenance so far (very few miles tho), I just make sure to keep the pressure up...

@torma99

5 жыл бұрын

Moreover Aerocoach measured the GP5000 TL vs. the clincher with latex. The clincher beat the TL, by a measurable margin.

Thanks for this honest account of tubeless tyres. You're the only person I've found who talks about the downsides in depth.

My first install was a dream, fell in love straight away, went from sceptical to evangelist, rode everyday for couple of months and had couple of instant sealed punctures mid rides, thought I’ll never look back, went away on holiday, came back to a deflated tire, simply couldn’t set them up again despite trying every trick on the book, back to latex inner tubes, never realised how happy I was just using tubed tires!

@ValueAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Latex tubes are really nice! Sweet, pliable ride. Virtually no friction between tire and tube. They are soft and thin though, and it can be difficult to keep the tube out of the way of your tire iron. It felt a little risky installing them some very tight tires

I'll just install my clinchers in 15min and use the other 4h45min watching tubeless fail videos on the tube with a cold brew in my hand! Great video btw Shane!

@veganpotterthevegan

Жыл бұрын

It's never taken me 15min to install tubeless tires on anything but a fat bike with 100mm wide rims

Loved the video and absolutely agree with you, imagine if tubeless was the norm and then someone invented the inner tube we’d be smashing that guys door down to buy them! Honestly isn’t this just the industry figuring out how to sell us more stuff we don’t need 😉

I could watch this video over and over. Thoroughly enjoyed your trials and tribulations installing a tubeless tire. I was in the process of ordering everything I needed to go try tubeless but I've decided to stay with tubes. This was a great video.

@gplama

Жыл бұрын

Update a few years later..... an air compressor is a must! It saves all the faff of using floor pumps or air chambers. Tubeless is still messy.. and more admin.

I have used tubeless for 5-6 years and I love em. 1 flat in that time(rear tire), but I ran that set of tires for WAY too long. Running 28mm Hutchinson tires now and they are amazing. GP5000 will be next.

@DearSoldierGP

3 жыл бұрын

how much did you rode in the 5-6 years?

Valve at the bottom not the top Shane and then push down on the wheel as you blast the air in. Spreads the tyre where the air comes in and helps seal. Works on MTB so worth trying. Must admit road tubeless doesn't appeal to me.

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? :)

'hours and hours'...why I won't be going tubeless anytime soon. Great vid, Shane

Tubeless and discs for my mtb for sure. My road bike stays with tubes and rim brakes. Simplicity for the roadbike as I'm usually too many miles away from home to deal with a potentially complicated mechanical vs my mtb where I'm always near my car in case of a major mechanical.

Thanks Shane, I really appreciate your balanced thoughtful sharing of your tubeless adventure.

Great information. The key take away is “Go new or go home”.

I got a flat on my rear Gavia AC 0. Puncture was made by a piece of metal which went through the side wall, so the sealant didn't work. It happened in Kent Street Sydney, so I took it to Giant Sydney in Clarence Street. The mechanic was great, but ended up with sealant everywhere in the workshop and pretty tired thumbs before we gave up. I went back to tubed Conti GP 4000 S ii and can't tell the difference. If it had have happened out in the RNP, I would have had to UBER home. I'm staying away from tubeless.

One other suggestion which worked for me - I bought a cheap Presta to Schrader brass converter and then went to the local gas station, paid $1.25 in quarters to use their big air pump. So much pressure bc it’s designed to pump up 4 car tires that it instantly popped into place. Maybe enough pressure to overcome your glue issue. PS - was fun to see you live on Zwift on Tuesday. Couldn’t catch ya though...

Thanks for the honesty Shane. My neck hurts from all the nodding I've watching your vid. Tubeless still is a love/hate endeavor.

I too had an issue getting used Giant Gavia AC 1 tubeless, 700x28c to seal Giant SLR 1 rims, but quite by chance I found if you put the 30ml of sealant in first, roll them along the ground to get an even coat around the tire, then have the valve to the BOTTOM as you let the air in with a hand pump with storage tank, it seems to work every time. I believe what is happening is the pool of liquid at the bottom of the tire gets blown around to help seal the tire as the air blasts in at the bottom, hence the reason why you have the valve at the bottom, when letting the air in. After two sets of tubeless tires 4,000 to 5,000km on each with out a puncher, I'm pretty happy to date, but still carry a tube just in case. Hope this helps whoever is looking;-)

Thanks for taking the time to document the ups and downs! I'm firmly in the tubeless camp, but that might well be due to not having any issues, (shimano tubeless rims w/schwalbe pro 1). One of the pluses I had, on a 360km ride this summer with the team, had a puncture at some point in the ride, and didn't even realize till the next day inspecting the bike. Happy days here, I'll let you know when my nightmare starts 😁

@galenkehler

5 жыл бұрын

Shout out to the Giant brand sealant, it's really good, probably just repackaged stan's but it does seem nicer than others and plugs the holes really well

Great run down, Shane! Thank you! I always pondered the pro and cons and now I got it! What a great LBS ! I need a shop like that here in NORCAL... Great shirt, buy the way 😉. Your gonna have me on a new bike, at the this pace !

Giant advanced pro 1 with tubless for past year. Loads of rear flats with the stock tyre. Always got me home but the tyres' puncture resistance seemed very poor. Was a nightmare to refit the tyre after patching it and ended up throwing away 2 tyres. And for winter went back to tubes and gp4000. Fitted Gp5000 tubless last week. Seated very easily. My tips: 1 - bought a garage compressor. Holds 24l and blast the air in at 100 psi. (This is also great for drying my bike after a wash.) 2 - used some rope to suspend the wheel from the garage rafter. So, once the tyre was seated, when deflating to add Stans there was no pressure from the floor on to the tyre which I think helps to stop it unseating. But the biggest help, was probably having a tyre which was only made a few days earlier (ordered from wiggle in Nov and they were on back order). So, when I took them out of the packet they stayed round rather than wanting to return to their folded shape. I think tyres which have been in a packet longer have a bead which struggles to retain their manufactured shape (ie, they don't naturally want to stay round) and this probably makes them hard to seat. I also left the tyres on the garage floor with a tube in them (not on the rims) for 2 days before fitting to help them want to stay round. But, getting the gp5000 on the rims in the first place was a massive battle. Took over 30 mins, several attempts and 4 tyre leavers. Horrible. The diameter seemed a mm or two too small for my Giant rims.

i tip my hat to you for not giving up!!! great tips there too :)

Thanks for sharing your experience on this video Shane. I think I’ll stay with tubes. 👍🏼

When I put tubeless tires on my bike the first time I had no problems at all. Put on an extra layer of rim tape and the tires went right on. BTW, HED Stinger 5 wheels, so the spoke holes have to be covered. When I went to change the rear tire, the rim tape had deformed into the holes and the air was escaping around the indentation. So, I put another layer of tape and bang, no problem. So, when I decided to go tubeless on my next set of wheels I used spoke plugs under the tape. The advantage of the plugs is, they push the tire to the outside so the tire pumps up no problem. I also use Ivory soap, the bar, to lubricate the tire and rim.

Late comer to this video Shane, apologies!, but what a good one!, having trouble currently with my partners bike puncturing (it’s hedge cutting time in UK), I’m TubeLess, she isn’t yet!, so looking at converting her on her gravel bike, (Schwalbe G1 700x35), but last time I tried to change a ripped TL on my bike I had the nightmare that ended up at the bike shop pleading for help!, at the 3rd shop they changed the rim tape and voila!........so dreading the task of switching her to TL, looking at all the advice online first and ordering a boosted track pump, your stuff here really helps, always so clean and efficient in everything you do, it’s nice to see you’re human like the rest of us in this video. Thanks.....

I’ve had a total nightmare with tubeless ready wheels and tyres. I’ve already replaced 3 gp 5000tls simply because sealant won’t seal a slit puncture. Yes you can put tubes in but the hassle of getting them in and out of a tightly bedded tyre is not worth it and defeats their purpose.

Mate,I seriously think its all about the right rims. Ive been using the Hunt 50/50 Wheelset and theyre a dream to set up. New tyres,old tyres, doesnt matter...I can pop the tyres pn the rim with my hand pump and i dont need a compressor....

@WillPower46

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my Mavic SL45 are the same

Thanks for going through the pain Shane! I've just ordered a new tubeless ready rim that I'm building into a front wheel. I also ordered a Schwalbe Pro one! But now I think I'll just run it with a light tube. I know how to deal with them!

@richardharker2775

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Rob. Thats what I did but bear in mind the Pro One has no puncture belt built in so punctures will come easy. Have to say its a great rolling tyre. I ran mine anywhere from 65 down to 45 just as an experiment and they performed flawlessly. Problem with low pressures is premature casing degradation. Good Luck.

Great video,; good to see and hear that you had exactly the same isssues with installing a uses tubeless tyre on too a new rim :). Keep up the great video's!

Great video. When tubeless tyres work, they’re great. When you have an issue, they can be a nightmare. I can definitely relate to this video. 👍

I had the Gavia tubeless on my Defy.... as soon as they wore out, I went back to clinchers. Never again

@pabloc106

2 жыл бұрын

Same tires here, yesterday i have a puncture and sealant cant seal at 100 psi, back to inner tube

just today I gave maintenance to my industry nine c41 tubeless wheels. It's true, tubeless have its learning curve. I mounted very old and sticky tires, Gavia sl 25's, soapy water is a must, and also a bigger air compressor, because you need to keep blowing air inside the tire until it seats, otherwise it will not work. That's the only advice I will give, use a bigger air compressor, the pump you are using is nice, but if the reservoir empties before the bead is seated... Game over, that's why bike shops don't struggle that much mounting tubeless tires. The. Sealant Will work 90 percent of the time, but if the cut is wide or the sealant is old, the system will fail. I expect to see New tubeless technology soon, maybe once world tour teams start using it.

Don't know if you're reading comments on old videos but my mechanic said that what he does in the case the tire slips out when deflating is inflate it without the core, then when you take the pump off quickly put one finger on the valve to prevent a lot of air escaping and then quickly insert the core back in. It does not need a lot of air for the tire to remain seated so if you're quick this works no problem.

Troublesome tires: leave the valve core in. Install one bead, pour in sealant, and then mount the second bead. Rotate the wheel (sealant contacting of the inner parts of the bead/tape interface). Then use a booster/compressor to seat the tire. You don't need to take the valve core out to boost the tire.

@rangersmith4652

Жыл бұрын

Or just install a tube.

Exactly the same issues!!!! Finally given up on road tubeless after hanging in there for 18 months. Tubes are back in.

@smallhatshatethetruth7933

3 жыл бұрын

what about muc off inner tube sealant?

@Lucky-uk1bv

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe get ya husband to change your tyres for you...

@pennyblue6372

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lucky-uk1bv hahahahahshaha! thanks for that laugh m8

@Lucky-uk1bv

3 жыл бұрын

@@pennyblue6372 Funny enough, I changed my 1st tubless the other day using only a track pump on my SLR 1 Rims. There was no issue what so ever, but had to pump it fast, first to seal, then I let down and remove valves and put 30ml of sealant in. I reckon anybody that cannot do it probably also have issue driving a manual car or using a hammer to fix a fence paling... There is totally no issue with tubeless

Yep, feel your pain. Had a nearly new tubules Schwalbe tyre on a DTS wheel gradually go flat and pulled itself off the rim. for the life of me, couldn't get it to go back. had to stick a tube in there in the end. As you say, brand new, not a problem. Just don't ever let them go flat!

thanks for doing all the hard work - we will all benefit from this insight

Love this post. There's no science to this other than trial and error, and I'm no expert. You hit it on the mark when you said it's different for every tire and wheel combination. Room temperature tires, clean rims and just a little sealant or water around the bead. Stretch new tires with tubes and fill them with a canister until they seal before doing the actual seal with sealant. If the tire unseals from the rim when you add the core back in, you should be able to pump it back up really fast and get the seal again, as long as the rubber is warm. It took me weeks to learn this!

Thanks for the honest info. You ha e confirmed my concerns, especially when out on the road and needing a repaire. I'm am sticking with my puncture resistant tube tires. So far, after a 1000 miles no worries. Why mess with something that works well.

Shane constantly flogging himself in the name of youtube gold! I’m liking my Goodyear eagle tubeless until the first flat at 700 k slashed a 2cm rip in the tread. The tire still looks good but leaks sealant when you get over 80 psi. Back to tubes for me.

I am slow to adopt new technology. Your videos are always objective. As a long distance rider, I can't afford to have tubeless failure in the "wilds" of Australia. I ride 22000km per year and thus far have had only 4 punctures. I change a tube in only 5 minutes (punctures are an excuse for a rest during big, big rides)

I rode tubeless tires for the first time on a rental BMC Roadmachine 01. They were Vittoria Corsa 28mm ones. For reference I have a BMC Roadmachine 01 as well and it has Vittoria Corsa 28mm clinchers on it (although the rims are tubeless ready). I have to say the difference in ride quality is absolutely noticeable. I would call placebo on this but I honestly realized I was on tubeless tires 1.5hrs into the ride when I noticed the tubeless valves. Having said that, it seems like the choice is having a 10/10 ride quality with 3/10 experience when things go wrong versus 8/10 ride quality with 8/10 experience changing tubes on the road or at home. I'm sticking to tubes for now. If I'm gonna have to carry spare tubes in my saddlebag anyway, I'd rather just have them on all the time.

I am in two minds about tubeless and tubes, yes tubes are cheaper and more reliable and quick to install. If You go to a shop and get tubeless they can stuff that up aswell. I Had the experience of the tubeless frustration 4 times to get sorted until i removed and cleaned all the dried snot until they reveiled the tape had a air pocket and they never fixed it 4 times and after that i want to go back to tubes and getting new tubeless wheels and will run tubes again . I am dubious about tubeless now but need to find a shop that are excellent installing tubeless. Thanks Lama.

Sealant in first, close the valve core when it's out, once the bead seats, quickly shove the core in before the bead comes off.

From what I witnessed here you made one fundamental error: When the tyre has finally inflated you MUST, remove the pump connection fast and carefully, quickly cover the valve with your finger, insert the valve core very quickly (you are trying to maintain as much air volume as possible), then attach your standard floor pump and inflate until the tyre seats properly (you will know this because the popping sound stops, you will have at least 100psi in the tyre). You are then good to go, release the air slowly, then the valve core, insert your goop and finally reinsert valve core and reinflate!!! et voila

@ljadf

3 жыл бұрын

Look up Milkit, one way valve cores makes it easier... but not perfect, I have cross bike tubeless but no longer road... way too much maintenance.

Thanks for revisiting this topic!

A recent ride with a mate who got a puncture using tubeless his legs got covered in sticky sealant and I got sprayed as I was just behind. What he thought was a quick repair only lasted a few miles til the spraying started again. This happened a few times throughout the ride until he finally sorted it after many stops. I'm not sold so will be sticking with tubes for the foreseeable. Great video 👌

and I was just looking for the confirmation: to go to tubeless or not? now I know: not anytime soon... 2$ is the tube, max 10min for changing it. No, no tubeless for me. Thx Lama

@danielsepulveda912

3 жыл бұрын

please hand me 2$ tubes

@zyghom

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielsepulveda912 check bulk price online - you will find many for around this price ;-)

@smallhatshatethetruth7933

3 жыл бұрын

I gone through 3 tubes in a week last week, ordered muc off inner tube sealant. Heard some hissing today but it sealed itself and I kept on riding

@danielsepulveda912

3 жыл бұрын

@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 where I ride there are lots of wires that are the remains of the truck tires and those create micro punctures every time I ride that road, I converted my tires tubeless (non tubeless Schwalbe X-one 33c) this week and see how it goes

@smallhatshatethetruth7933

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielsepulveda912 Good luck, it's broken glass that is the main problem where I ride. I have tubeless rims but I need tyres with reflective stripe and not many options for tubeless in that catergory

Pats a good man like that. Always do my shopping their. Hoping to hit him up for a fit actually.

Brill video Shane. I’m looking forward to hearing your results with the GP 5000 tyres from a tubeless perspective. Also interested to hear how puncture resistant they are. Some bad reviews from the UK for the clincher version!

You are singing my song. Same exact experiences with road tubeless. Re-using works pretty well on mtb most of the time(not always) because of the rim and tire width. Even using a compressor with a very large tank I couldn’t get either Maxxis Padrones or Hutchinsons to transplant either way between Campagnolo Eurus 2-way and Stans Alpha 340s. New tires were no problem on either wheelset. All of my road wheels are now back to tubes, but I’ll never ride my mountain bike without tubeless again.

Great video :-) I had tubeless setup in last summer until my front tire exploded at full speed. It was very hot day and I had too much air in the tire, bad mistake! I didn't realise that the tire is going to build some heat. What a mess after explosion. I was lucky to stay up and stop normally though. No worries other than I had to shave my legs later on because of the sealant was too tight in my hairy legs. Cleaning the bike was also very difficult. The tubeless setup was amazing to fix all the puctures. The tire was schwalbe g-one for the cx bike...

After many thought provoking video's, I switched to TL a year ago, and while I have had no punctures, and when ever out on a ride, I was a bit nervous about what would happen if I punctured. (Thinking back to the failure video's Shane). The good thing about tubes, with over 30 years of riding, road-side tube repairs are a known inconvenience, and so I swapped the TL to tubes now, but went 28C with Latex tubes, at 80-85PSI (which is a tad higher then the TL 75 psi I was running. ) Bottom line, I know what to expect if I flat and overall ride quality and feel, if anything I say is a bit better than TL. BTW, I run Mavic Comete carbons and they are well designed for TL. In Shane's words, Happy days !!

Great vid as usual Shane.

my updated tubless full proof set up , 1: buy extra sealant and extra rolls of tape , every time you you need to swap a tire or patch a hole , undo the tape and put fresh tape down , this creates a solid surface . 2: soak your tires in soapy water and use a green scrubby to get all the sticky glue off the inside , i leave the glue on the outside walls to help it stick , but to be safe just get it all off . 3: use mavic wheels , really ask yourself , why am i not using mavic wheels ?? tires and wheels vary so much from brand to brand , so just try to make sure there are no dimples . i have mounted and dismounted my pro ones on a mavic wheelset 5 times with a wal mart floor pump , maybe a bit of soap . 4: patch the tires with a high quality patch , old tubes and rubber cement work , but try to find a higher quality patch and cement that can with stand 80 to 100 psi . overall i think gp lama just hasnt run enough tubeless and or sucks at tire mounting !! some other notes , are use a tubeless tire lever , and a valve with a rubber o ring ,

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Good tips. But it’s all too hard for the average person. I deal with new tech daily that both improves and enhances things. This whole process as it stands, is total arse. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@ca5ualm3dia

5 жыл бұрын

@@gplama i totally disagree to the highest amount , i am the average person , i had some bumps at first but as i grew i learned and now have a better system of producing better results than i did less than a year ago , you need to invest in your set up and commit to it , i have no special pumps or even a compressors as mine just died , the issue is usually the user just doesn't commit to the new system , putting new tape every time along with cleaning the bead completely with a scrubber will eliminate that issue you are having , there is no sealant i have used that sticks my tire bead together like yours does , so change the sealant , i went from stans , to stans race , to orange , i feel orange has the best chance on tubeless road because it comes with the glitter particles in it , you also have to invest in a high quality patch that can take the 80 ish psi and stick to the inside of the tire , i find there is no way around patching a hole on tubeless road because of the higher pressure .....

I just had my LBS install the new tubeless tires. The ride is so much better. I can top up sealant through the valve core a few times and when it's time for new tires I'll go to the LBS. I think I can get two seasons out of a high end pair for the amount I ride so for a trip to the bike shop every 1 1/2-2 years to get a great tubeless ride I should save my self some trouble. Hopefully I won't get a bad enough puncture that won't seal. That's the only real worry for me. If so, I'll have a tube with me in my saddle bag. Tubeless road tires at 28 mm are awesome.

This vid is brill!! This is SO me, desperate to move to tubeless and creat less waste when you have a flat (no tube and CO2 can left in the bin). There just does not seem to be ONE way. I ended up rotation the tyre a little and the std method I use worked! Why? No idea. I will persist cos of the lack of rubber I’ll put in the bin over the life time of a tyre. Thanks for all the tips. Also good to see and honest video rather than all the works first time videos in YT

I had Giant Gavia tubeless tires as well. I got punctures on both front and rear. Actually managed to remove the tires, wash them, and reinstall them with new sealant which did seal the puncture. But nonetheless I've had enough after one episode where a puncture during the ride caused sealant to spray all over me and my bike. What a mess! Back to clinchers now!

Hi Shane, I went over to tubeless last year. I have the Hunt wheels and I bought the Mavic UST tubeless road tyres. I only have a standard track pump. First install was no problem, they seated on first attempt I then let down , added the sealant and re-inflated. Later in the year I decided to replace the sealant as recommended. I removed the sealant, cleaned the tyre out with running water and a rag and re-fitted the same as before. The only thing I had to do was make sure the tyre was seated properly around the valve, as on the first attempt it wouldn't inflate as air was leaking at this point. The sealant was easy to remove and didn't stick the tyre together on second install. I used Muc Off sealant. I have used Stans this time so maybe different next time I do the same thing.

Hahahahahahaaaaaaa! thanks Shane. There I was weakening towards actually trying tubeless for my crit bike. You saved me time, money and a significant 'swear jar' balance.

Perhaps this has already been suggested, but dusting the interior of a previously installed tubeless tire with talc or even cornstarch should eliminate the stickiness that plagued you without adding to your problems once the tires are in their beads. I recently purchased a pair of Mavic Cosmic wheels that came with their UST tires installed. I decided to replace the stems because they didn't seem to work well with the new Joe Blow pump Santa brought me and struggled for at least an hour trying to get the bead unstuck before succeeding. My concern now is that I will flat, the sealant is ineffective and I won't be able to get the tire off in order to put a tube inside. Nevertheless, I'm and optimist and a sucker for the newest technology. Thanks for your always entertaining and informative work.

@jonathanzappala

5 жыл бұрын

I have used talc to get the sides to stop sticking together. In the end though it wasn't the solution that day. Then I was using stans' and it made the sides stick, now I use finish line and there is none of the stickiness.

@Zzyyxx22

5 жыл бұрын

I still use talc on tubes. It’s better than tubes alone and zero hassle.

Really interesting and helpful to see someone experienced affirm my slowly developing opinion that road tubeless may be more hassle than it’s worth. My new bike came set up tubeless 5 months ago. Was kinda excited to make the switch and feel like a big boy. Got all the kit. Learned how to do it. I punctured once early on and it didn’t seal. Don’t think I’ve punctured since then, but even so, the amount of futzing for one reason or another is getting old. Not to mention I frequently get clogged valve cores and even clogged a pump head.

I found the hardest thing was getting off the tubeless ready tyres. Particularly the Rubino pro factory fitted on a Reserve 35.I have very strong hands and it took every ounce of my strength and bleeding nails to break the bead. Even when I popped one side couldn’t get the other side. Tried wrench , soapy water . What worked in the end was Mr Sheen sprayed on the inside and outside of the bead. Let it sit for five minutes and then use gloves and go full gas ..and it worked 😅

Haha, only watching this now. Very funny, a seasoned tubeless and MTB user here, had all these challenges, there are some subtle tricks that won’t require soapy water or pre-beading with a tube. I’ve had tires with multiple re-uses between season and clearance of about 2-3mm space away from the rim and seat those in quick time. A joe blow boost pumps has a higher rate of air release from the charge chamber and solves all your problems. Only thing to make sure is that you keep the tire suspended and relaxed with an even gap to the rim all the way around. Good luck.

Vert well explained video about Tubeless. I understand that the biggest difference is the size of the tires compare with mountain bike that causes most of the pain. Also easy when new otherwise very complicated!

Thanks! More rim tape, that tip sealed a pair of very difficult tires for me.

I have been using tubeless for a couple of years now and I have to say that having a air compressor makes seating the bead pretty easy. Also I run sealant around the outside of bead not soapy water, seems to work pretty good.

Hmm.. I’ve had zero issues with my Mavic cosmic carbon UST rims with mavic tubeless tyres. They come on and off very easily. Mavic call the combination of their tubeless rims and tyres a “system”. Which result in perfect tolerances between rim and tyre. Fits very well together. The only “disadvantage”, is that you have to rely on using Mavic’s tubeless tyre, to achieve this fit. In my case it doesn’t matter, cause I think the tyres are great and up there with the best on the market, although that’s a personal opinion.

@fabriziolupo7009

2 жыл бұрын

You are right, because Mavic invented the UST system more than 20 years ago on MTB… there is also one aspect that he didn’t mention it’s the pressure of the tyre… you put 25-35 psi on a MTB and the tyre is thicker than a road tyre and then on the contrary you put between 80 and 130 psi on a Road bike so a puncture sometimes doesn’t have the “time” to seal because the pressure will eject all the sealant… so for the moment I still stick to the tubes on my road bike

@ketle369

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same setup. After a year it’s a mess if you remove the tire to fix a puncture that wouldn’t seal.

Tubeless big advantage is reduced rolling resistance. You need to consider if that is worth the trouble for you. And its still new to road bikes. As far as i know Schwalbe introduced tubeless for road tires in 2018 and Continental only few months ago. Give manufacturers time. Quality and ease of use will increase.

@aboutbikes1264

5 жыл бұрын

Schwalbe pro one is from 2016...

Happy days! I just installed a GP 5000 TL 28c to the rear wheel of a 2018 Giant TCR advanced 2 with stock Giant SLR 1 carbon rims. It went on with the typical tubeless struggle but miraculously inflated with a track pump. For it to inflate I squished the tire to the floor at the valve stem to minimize the air from escaping. The 28C has adequate clearance and the tire just squeezes past the brake pads when the calipers are fully opened. Some folks say they cannot get 28C tires past the brake pads without releasing the cables. I have not taken it for a test ride. I have not tried the front wheel. I tried the new schwalbe tubeless and it would not seat right on the rims. They would inflate, but bulged and wobbled.

Regular tubes and tires are also looking better weight-wise, by the time you add in all that goop and extra layers of tape.

Shane, I had exactly the same, new tyres took me 45 minutes to set them up, trying to do the same with used tyres on the same rims, completely failed to the point I bought new tyres. One point to note I tried the extra layer of rim tape and it prevented the bead seating on the rim, I was warned against doing it by LBS as well because it can compromise the integrity of the seal and fail when under load.

Shane.. first of all when i had issues installing my tubeless tyre i simply took it to the bike shop with the sealant in a bottle and asked them for help. They immediately worked on it and i was out of there 5 mins later! First time they asked for 5 bucks.. second time it was free. What did i learn watching them do it so quickly? They used an Air Compressor! I bought a cheap one from Sydney tools for 88 bucks which made me look forward to the next puncture. Don't play with kids toys to pump the tyre!👍☺

Hahahahaha! Shane Maaaaate! I had exactly the same experience. Rim tyre combinations are a cesspool. Mavic tried in vein to create a standard for tubeless but no one wanted to fish in their pool. So they made their own rims and tyres to fit perfectly. And they do. Schwalbe and Shimano collaborated with tyre rim sizing but din't want to jump in bed with Mavic either. Your Giant tubeless tyres are made by Schwalbe so they may fit very similar to Conti. Some rim manufacturers size slightly smaller to fit tyres easier and some tyre manufacturers size a tyre larger for the same reason. The wrong combinations spell disaster or severe pain in the arse. For me it will be tubes for road, tubeless for off road. Good luck.

Pretty courageous going for 4 wheel/tire installations given your previous experiences :D Its just a pain that given all the variance in tire/rim dimensions you're going to have a bad experience somewhere along the line.

My experience is the same as yours. With new tyres very easy to fit and always works but as soon as they're used, it's a f*%*ing nightmare. I've spent hours getting them on and in my experience the soapy water is an absolute must. Other things I would suggest is to clean and dry the tyres and rims as thoroughly as you can., scrub them, use isopropyl alcohol, sand paper anything to get them clean. When they're working they're great, when they're not they can make you cry.

@samuel8590

5 жыл бұрын

Wow....what a royal pain in the ass. I'll stick with tubes. Thank you very much for being the Guinea pig Shane. Keep up the good work.

@dpstrial

5 жыл бұрын

@@samuel8590 I am with you on this. My experience is the same as Shane Miller's.

Pure gold!! So glad you're human and lose your temper too.

road tubeless is a solution looking for a problem

I'm in the hater camp...I lol'd everytime you swore and kicked stuff around 🤬😁😂

I’ve had a few struggles with tubeless, but once I learned my lessons/ refined my process, I’m in like flint! Not every rim/ tire combination works...

@CarlForde

5 жыл бұрын

not wanting to be "that guy", but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_like_Flynn

@slaveoptics

4 жыл бұрын

True

I think it would probably help to get the tyre warm just before you zap it with the air charge. Nice warm rubber should be much more flexible. You could try using a hairdryer - just don’t tell the Mrs😲.

I love you my man is truly helpful video

My summer machine runs tubeless and last year it never stopped me on a ride once. Kept the gunk topped up and it’s been great. No pressure issues or anything to complain about. Illl be interested to see your reviews on the conti tyres as they are something I might update my wheels with. 👍👌🤔

Thank you. I'm no longer on the fence. I'll be sticking with tubes from now on 🙂

@gplama

Жыл бұрын

I've since got an air compressor which makes the task of getting them on MUCH easier!

Yeah, I agree with lack of standard in road tube. Some combination of different brand and tyres makes mounting and even beading so frustrating. I am using the Mavic UST system. Cosmic rim with Yksion tyre. A bit hesitant at first after watching/reading so many issues with tubeless. But with UST I never have this issue. Mavic was pushing UST to be accepted broadly. I heard later there's an agreement with ETRTO (??), finger crossed.

Ask mavic to send you ust wheels with their specific tires. I want to see you do a review and comparison for them. That would be very interesting i think

C02 works well in a pinch to get that extra punch to seat the tyre 🤙. Running Pirelli tubeless

Just one suggestion for you if i may......yes take the valve core out, BUT when you take the pump head off place your finger over it, to keep the tire from deflating and then use a valve core tool and quickly install the valve core.

Good video. I have the same bike and wheels and considered tubeless for about 2 minutes. Stick with clinchers until they get the tech right for used tyres.

Thanks for the tips!

Just been through the whole Giant Gavia Fondo debacle again as wanted to check the sealant condition before next long ride. All the same problems as you had and exactly the same as a year ago when I last did this. I am convinced it’s the whole problem is with the natural form the tyres take when off the beads. Swapped the tyres to Hutchinson tubeless and both tyres inflated immediately on first attempt. The Giant tyres ever pop straight off the beads as soon as I let the air out without touching them.

Bud. Feel the pain, but for fresh install a bit of washing up soap within a cup of water, make it frothy soap with a basting brush skim around bead area with tyre fitted like you are doing a dry fit (like when they do a car tyre) I.e no sealant (NOT wash your dam rims, Lol).!!! But tbf I’ve done tubeless twice, road and gravel and it works BUT totally agree it’s not 100% ready tech wise and only on fresh tyres install is it easier. Reseating after a repair and your defo be doing it several times! Btw new subscriber loving the overview.

Fantastic, glad I’m not the only one but wish I’d known this before jumping on the expensive tubeless bandwagon. Exactly the same, easy when I fitted them new but took one off the other day to clean out and put fresh goop in and could not get it to reseat on the rim. Spent hours and tried various things including tying a strap around the tyre to compress it onto the rim prior to pumping up but didn’t work for me. I’ve only actually been on the road with them about 6 times as been inside on zwift all winter. I also had a front tyre through the rim tape!! Yes it failed in one of the spoke hole areas with a tiny hole. Spent ages trying to find it. Me, going back to tubes...

I think that when I go road tubeless, if I do, I think would leave the tires on the rim until they’re ready for the dumpster! In both videos, your problem was with trying to install a used tire. The price of a tire, even an expensive tubeless one is not worth the frustration of repeated failed installations! Thanks for this video. I probably would have went through the same process with some very colorful language! Now I don’t have too! Why did the punctures not seal with the sealant? I thought that was to be one of the advantages of tubeless tires!

Hi Shane seen ya mention a few times that you inflate the tyre first without valve core to seat the tyres, I inject the sealinant with the valve core removed then replace the core then roll the wheel on the ground a few turns then inflate with a booster pump and seems to work each time. I ve done it this way with new tyres and when I’ve used the same tyres also. I also if need be make sure that the rim tape is tubeless specific rim tape and the correct width for the rim. One problem I came across was that I would inflate the tyre great. Then in a few hours it had deflated slightly or would deflate after starting my ride. After a few frustrating times and head scratching I inspected the tyre and wheel and found a slightl tear in the rim tape over one of the spoke holes. Replaced with new tape and cured the problems

I’ve used both extensively. It’s easy with new tyres, a big hassle from that point on. These days I run the CX bike tubeless as it sees plenty of thorns but stick with tubes for the road bike.

Terrific video as usual and very relatable. One clarification: the Hunt wheels do not appear to have bead locks on the bead shoulders. This could account for why the beads immediately popped off once you deflated the tire. Tire and rim manufacturers play fast and loose with terms like "tubeless ready" or "tubeless compatible" which apparently mean different things that simple "tubeless". It's possible Hunt is playing these games. As other have said, manufacturers should implement an industry-wide standard for rims and tire beads. I know they're working on it.

Principle challenge here is that Gavia TL's were "re-used". The Gavia's don't appear to have as tight as fit as the Conti's. Would have been good to see other brands refitted to validate the experience. I've fitted two new sets of Conti 5000TL's to my 2020 Giant TCR Advanced with no issues - other than it is hard to get them on (I took the OEM Gavia's off pretty quick). Once on, never had an issue or needed to use a compressed air pump. Just standard floor pump, and they inflate. Yes, swapping from old to new can be messy (goo and rim tape), but I've never had a puncture in over 5000k's, whereas my previous tubed tyred Giant I did have punctures. I am ok to spend an additional 30 mins fitting new tyres at home once every 5000ks, rather than sitting on the side of the road swapping out a tube with a puncture. Nice video though and great conversation. :-)

Best and funniest video to date.

Had some difficulty too reinstalling the Gavia's after patching. For me the original Giant sealer (Stans I believe) sealed to get me home but didn't fix it permanently. The Stans sealer and the original Giant sealer doesn't seem sticky causing the tyre to stick to itself. The problem I had was with the Gavia and Giant rim was with the tyre unbeading when letting down the pressure. My solution was after spending ages was. 1/ Don't use soap. Just makes the tyre unbeading worse. 2/ Inflate with the valve core in after installing the sealer. 3/ With the tyre unbeaded and the valve core removed with the valve at 6 o'clock install the sealer. 4/ Don't rest the wheel on the floor.. That distorts the tyre and makes it harder for the bead to seat. 5/ After fitting the tyre on the rim everything else was done with the bike upside down and the wheel fitted.