"So now are you going to question US democracy?!" "Of Course, Of Course!!!" hahahahaha. Actually i wouldn't question it. There's no need to question, we already know! It's a fucking laughing stock!

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

And when Peter Combs was talking about his daughter getting a job he wasn't talking about a minimum wage part time job.

I love this EU dude! He is so right!! I am a American and they are blind over here!!

Philippe Lamberts rocks.

Sink this fucking ship already. Torpedoes, men!

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

But the TPP is the same. Only difference one is targeting Europe the other the pacific rim. These treaties are bad for the average person.

OMG dude needs to come here and give a speech. I love You EU DUDE!! America needs YOU!! LOL

Listening to Peter Chase of the Chamber of Commerce I literally felt an urge to throw up. Phillipe Lamberts's assessment was 100% correct. The three Ts TPP, TTIP and TISA are a race to the bottom for the average person. I pray not one of these three treaties will pass. TPP alone is estimated to cost several hundred thousand more jobs and it is estimated that 90% of the US population will see a reduction in their income. I have done a lot of research into this topic within the last two days, these treaties are an abomination and need to be stopped.

5 minutes 26 seconds into the video, and the US guy is already spouting so much horse-shit it's unbelievable.

@EricTViking

8 жыл бұрын

***** haha how childish.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

Listening to Peter Chase I had the physical urge to throw up. The man was so full of excrement it was sickening.

Philippe Président! :-)

Peter Chase, ex diplomat. That explains his slimy fact twisting.

@ichigo199

9 жыл бұрын

exactly what i was thinking, slimy as fuck

@Olaffbog

9 жыл бұрын

He does leave one feeling the need for a shower

iPhones will cost less so be in favour guys !

i am an american and i agree with the european brother.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

I worked for many years in Europe and wished workers here would have a modicum of benefits Europeans enjoy. Health care benefits, sick and annual leave, etc. I do not wish the American model of greed onto our European cousins.

My God! Peter Chase actually explained why you should NOT allow TTIP to be utilized EVER. Listen to his words carefully.

Peter Chase's arguments were pretty poor.

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

The truth is poor?

@markanthonybrowne

9 жыл бұрын

gno nimo An argument is defined as "a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory". Truth is defined as "that which is in accordance with fact or reality".

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah Chase kept the whole thing informative, while Lamberts took to Polemics and accusations to support his position, Lamberts was trying to argue, Chase stuck to facts.

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

Lamberts technique did make for a more informative discussion, the problem with Greens as an unestablished party is they are always trying to appeal to popular sentiment, not a great thing when you consider popular culture, and general standards of education.

- 9:40 - DESTROYED!!! SOOO GOOD !!!

Perhaps I'm not getting this but isn't it ironic for a European Parliament politician to be talking about sovereignty when they impose law upon member states? If this agreement is about increasing free trade then it is a good thing, isn't it? Some will loose, more will win (so long as the transportation is appropriately taxed for environmental damage). And if we need international law to support this then isn't that a positive step towards a harmonisation of law between nations? Peter Chase seems to be talking sense, Philippe Lamberts seems to jump around from one issue to another.

@AllarddeGoede

9 жыл бұрын

Richard Evans-Lacey You are missing the point here. Eventually the sovereignty of states can be attacked, when those laws of TTIP imply the possibillity of member states to be prosecuted, when not apply to the free trade agreement. Just read between the lines - it's not so good as it seems. Also you should consider - just CONSIDER - the possibillity that this is advancing the power of multinationals, not people. If you think only in economics and believe the numbers given by the pro-TTIP propagandists, please do so. But don't come complaining, when the beautiful forecast of more jobs and 500 euros extra per household is not coming.

@Nebukadnezzer

9 жыл бұрын

Richard Evans-Lacey The EP consists of European representatives and its power is constrained. At the moment, undemocratic private interests, are infiltrating and hijacking our governments. This includes, but is not limited to TTIP.

@hoobymarburg167

9 жыл бұрын

***** well said, thanks.

@shanrafnezden7958

9 жыл бұрын

Richard Evans-Laceyit's very easy dude; the way average people are treated is the US is right out scandalous. We wont take that shit here in Europe. The system has already been taken hostage by far right elitist groups. We just can't take more inslavement. Peter Chase makes no point. it is very easy to remedy the economy. Working people middle class people have to have good paying jobs, then the economy heals. TTIP is about giving even more power to anonymous power elites. And we don't want the workers of Europe to get even poorer.

@AllarddeGoede

9 жыл бұрын

They play with numbers and statistics like magicians and the fact that no one understands the real insides of economics is their core business: they don't want you to know, that in the end they are filling their own pockets and you will get no dime of the benefits. The TTIP thing is a monster in this very system of complex and fraudulent financial systems to enrich the extreme rich even further. The tops of banks and multinationals will be in more control, than they probably ever dreamed of. "Free trade" means that these multinationals are not bound by any rules of any state and they can force their products upon people. So who's freedom are we talking about? That of the people, or those multinationals? You decide. A big example of an industry having got haywhire is the pharmaceutical industry: there is not much choice anymore in what is allowed to us to heal ourselves, is there? Doctors are being schooled in what good is for is, but no one seems to see the link of the big pharmaceutical companies with education and the medical system. It's all interlinked. If you think that Philippe Lamberts seems to jump around from one issue to another, you are missing the point, that there are so many angles with TTIP. In the Netherlands it's also being neglected by most mainstream media and politicians: as if it's only about something like a chicken washed with chlorine, that could end up on the supermarket shelves in our country. It's mighty bigger than that! In the end, multinatonals can decide us COMPLETELY what we eat, drink and do (and it has already gone much to far ALREADY!!!). Because the multinationals are interlinked with the banks and all of them are interlinked with the military, thus the military industrial complex, the very same thing Eisenhower has warned us for. It's the system that works this way, making people corrupt and get us into a dark age IF we are not able to stop this madness. THIS SYSTEM HAS TO BE CHANGED. You can change the people in the top, but if the system itself - which is ultimately a system which make people corrupt - is unattached, it will be the same all over again with other people. One way to do it is to shot off TTIP dead in it's track: it's BAD, we don't WANT it (even if you don't know what it is, you don't want it!) and WE WILL NOT HAVE IT, PERIOD.

Wow,a corporate version of Henry Kissinger.Kissinger dropped bombs this guy is dropping corporate disinformation.

The American got rekt

BAD, it's like THE END of the World :/ at least the end of the little human rights we have now

Interesting debate

We have to REJECT the premise "If the businesses end up with more profits, they will create new jobs" fore it is untrue. Business make jobs' expand the enterprise, only if they can realize their production, i.e. most of the times, they will NOT create jobs.

Mr Lambert is that guy for the job...to stop this within the EU institutions

The Belgian constantly interrupts, which struck me as arrogant. Interesting to see that Europeans found the American arrogant. I guess what offends depends on one's cultural outlook.

I think the most valid criticism was Philip Morris suing the Australian gov for requiring stricter labeling since such agreements require countries to agree to a greater extent on what the restrictions should be to simplify trade. The obvious solution here would be for both gov's to agree on stricter labeling. I was addicted, and they gave me heart pains. I'd fully support stricter labeling, but that issue hasn't been publicly discussed in the states to my knowledge, which goes back to the topic of transparency and the fact that these matters are discussed privately. Another possible workaround might be for Australia to require factories or distributors there to slap an extra warning on the packages. In reality, we all know cigs are harmful for our health: that's been thoroughly established since middle school. Not sure that's really a huge issue. I didn't understand how reducing tariffs would supposedly increase the cost of goods. That assumption would seem to defy common sense. Can anyone explain why that would happen? If true, that's obviously a killer. But eliminating taxes on Hong Kong for 50 years created a huge boom that now allows the gov to take in more taxes, which is better for the people. Wouldn't reducing tariffs, which are essentially a tax, have a similar effect? Not mentioned in the debate was the price disparity between goods in the states and Europe. I'm a layman on this topic, but it seems we'd have more to gain selling to you guys since everything is more expensive in Europe. If this is true, it would actually lower the cost of goods in Europe, but maybe I'm missing a detail.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

Totally disagree. I have done research into these treaties for the last two days. Phillipe Lamberts comments were 100% correct. It's bad enough that we are falling apart over here we don't need to drag Europe down too. I am saying this as a person who worked extensively in Europe.

I prefer Alexander Technique

The US certainly does seem to get burned each time it signs a free trade agreement, particularly concerning NAFTA. Philippe Lambert made some good points however I honestly don't think he was willing to be convinced in anyway contrary to his opinion going into that debate. The representative for the Chamber of Commerce certainly did not put forward a strong enough case for TTIP whether it be "good" or "bad". Concerning two extremely developed economies however, the benefits for the US and EU certainly seem attainable with minimal sacrifice in the way of social protection standards. Despite that this may very well favor corporations as opposed to the common citizen I see TTIP as a step forward at least as a theory for greater US-EU bilateral trade expansion. Increase in free flowing capital investment, and expanded export markets certainly point to greater growth for two developed economies. I have to disagree with Philippe on the basis of competition however. The two combined markets of the US-EU represent the largest share of global trade and consumerism. This massive market, in concatenation with increased market competition in all sectors will undoubtedly result in consumers attaining better standards, variety and prices. Do not fear competition, the conjoined markets have more than enough space for EU and US companies to expand.

#KickoutTTIP

Chase got his ass handed to him in the most honest way!

13:25 should we be worried? No.. (just go to sleep, big brother cares for you) All his answers are only trying to mend you to sleep, using displaced use of reversed ad-hominem and out of context arguments and citations.

I'm not taking sides but this is infotmative.

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

The polemic style of Lamberts makes Chase have to think on his feet and answer under pressure, I think he did very well to retain a dignified and objective view.

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

He conveys his clearly biased view using the most absolute language.

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

iriahi It would be like me saying you are clearly benighted and have nothing of value to contribute to the human race. I'm sure were one to look closely enough one might find something in you not entirely useless. Everybody has something to give afterall...

@1nfiniteSeek3r

9 жыл бұрын

Awh boohoo.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

If you are not taking sides you just wasted your time. These treaties are bad for the average person and will adversely affect you and future generations.

Philipe Lamberts is the best 👍

Most of what Peter Chase said is only partially true or just wrong 1) The ECJ does rule on trade, but the EU is a democratic space and no private firms have access to decision making in the Court. 2) Why is the reason "we can get it quickly" a good reason? 3) He uses the geopolitical reasoning - so arguing it is better to create a EU-US trade area to counter China and India trading? 4) Increase of jobs - but he didn't give the nature of the job (i.e. precarious jobs that occured in Mexico due to NAFTA) 5) Ideological driven (liberal - positive sum) - making in 08:00 zero-sum game sound like a religious fanatism 6) Mutual recognition comes from the EU - but it has mandatory requirements and limits through additional articles and broader "public interest" - also the SHEC objectives are regulated European wide so MR only applies for products reaching the standards of the regulation or having the same objective effect - meaning the ends justify the means basically 7) ISDS is proven to be very costly and governments generally settle and pay instead of having costly court rulings - so even if ruling could be in favour of the governments - they are less inclined to do so 8) ISDS are used world wide to push against government decision -i.e. : Vattenfall v Germany shows that a law to protect the environment from existing nuclear energy is tackled by the provider of that sort of energy because it was expecting to have more time and therefore more profit in Germany to do energy trade 9) Democracy that approve something does not mean that the outcome is democratically scrutinized! - i.e. Weimarer Republic - by approving simething that is irreversable the democracy is basically voting away its power 10) He said information are available on the internet - Yes, but neither statements of the government nor the confirmation that they are the real documents as well as the quesiton what is debated are answered.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear one item I agreed with Peter Chase whereas Phillipe Lamberts was spot on. The Chamber of Commerce wants these treaties passed and guess who will benefit from these treaties, the 1% at the top who already have more wealth than needed in a life time. These treaties are race to the bottom for the rest of us.

Peter Chase = "anyone? anyone? bueller? anyone?". What a coring bunt.

that american thinks trade is bigger then well being of people !!!

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

He and his cronies have only one goal and that is to maximize profit. If it will damage the environment and/or make people sick so what.

Well, the American didn't do very well in this at all. Arrogance doesn't win anything.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

Not only was he arrogant but he assumed the rest of us are stupid. Mr. Chase appeared to know very little about Europe whereas Phillipe Lamberts knew all about what is going on in the US.

I agree that Chase is a slimy guy and I think Lamberts won this debate with the Australian cigarette case example. TTIP is all about money for those who have enough of it already. Chase's only argument is not discriminating individuals based on some private factors. That's almost the only thing he responds to anything. US and EU have very different goals and I belive it is the US that needs EU as a market more than the other way around. And after approving TTIP EU standards will lower drastically and with the privatized lawmaking and jurisdiction it is EU that will be under constantly screwed over with US juicing it from all the money. NO to TTIP #KickOutTTIP

Well, that was entertaining. That egg - head is truly demented if he actually believes in what he declared in this debate.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making me laugh because I found him to be rather upsetting.

Peter Chase comes across as a very nice chap. Unfortunately everything he says about TTIP is either wishful thinking or a total fucking lie.

@haleybrown2836

8 жыл бұрын

He comes across as a nice chap? Are you kidding, he is paid big bucks to spout this bullsh***.

IMPEACH OBAMA!

Lamberts is insufferable. The man can't deliver a single rational argument, but man man can he make noise.

The furrowed brow and patronising, disinformative speech.... So just on voice tone, who would you trust the most...?