This makes no sense. If everything was fated to play out the exact same way, then the Whispers had no reason to get involved in the first place. If everything was always inevitable, then there is no point in the Whispers plot at all. Why introduce entities that are said to protect fate, if fate can't be changed? What exactly are they protecting if the outcome will always be the same? If Sephiroth needed the party to defeat fate to open new worlds, then the Whispers involvement makes even less sense. Why would they get involved when everything was inevitable any way, and the only way anything could be changed is if they were defeated? Another huge plot hole is Sephiroth having knowledge of the OG FF7 events. Killing Aerith in the OG game was the reason his plan failed. It's explicitly stated in the OG that Holy activated too late to stop Meteor, then because Aerith was in the Lifestream thanks to her death, she was able to stop Meteor using the Lifestream. So why would Sephiroth kill Aerith again, if he knows it's the very reason he failed the first time? It makes Sephiroth look incredibly inept.

@Foxheimer

20 күн бұрын

Agree with you for the second part.

@foxeh123

20 күн бұрын

They are there to fool the player. All the advertisement and story was made to fool you. Everyone was fooled. So even the veterans didn't know what would happen and even as it happened it was kind of a surprise even though we kind of knew.

@DuffmanChess

20 күн бұрын

@@foxeh123 That's exactly why I'm frustrated. The only reason I played Remake and Rebirth was BECAUSE of the whole changing of fate plot and the clear hints at changing Aerith's death. I stopped playing the OG FF7 back in the day because Aerith was killed off. I still haven't finished the original to this day because of her death. If this had been a 1:1 remake without the hints of saving Aerith, or the defying/defeating fate plotline, It would have been fine. I wouldn't have played it as it wasn't for me, but I'd have been happy for those that got to enjoy it. Heck a true 1:1 remake of the original story with no changes at all would have been a license to print money for SE. However, from what I did play of the OG, she became my favourite character of all time, which was only further embedded because of the brilliant performance of Brianna White as Aerith. For me, she has the most interesting backstory, and the most memorable moments out of all of the characters. So to me, Aerith's death is like watching a superhero movie in which the superhero dies within the first third of the movie. Would you watch that? I certainly wouldn't. I'm not frustrated because Aerith died in the OG or even in Rebirth. I'm frustrated that absolutely EVERYTHING they were working towards in Remake and even the majority of Rebirth, and even their trailers and pre-release developer comments were hinting at saving Aerith. Even the back of Rebirth's box art says "Defy Destiny together". Now it all feels entirely pointless, and it has entirely ruined the experience for me. Two games I otherwise loved, have now been tainted for me to the point I doubt I'll get the third instalment. After having discussions with others about this, I'm not the only person that feels like this. SE have turned a lot of people off with this tactic they used, and because of it, part 3 is likely going to sell even less than Rebirth.

@beefsquatch5352

20 күн бұрын

I don't think it was all for naught... I still believe Aerith was saved in one world and died in the other. No one's theory is concrete, and I guarantee that once part 3 comes out, everyone's so-called theories will be debunked. All I can say is take this guy's hypothesis and everyone else's with a grain of salt....

@NerdGeekTalk

20 күн бұрын

@@beefsquatch5352 agreed

I believe Sephiroth will live as long as Cloud lives. To get rid of Seph for good, we need to make sure no one with S cells or Jenova cells live... I think...

@krystalstardust1457

20 күн бұрын

Like Voldemort

@irishspuds5894

14 күн бұрын

thats what geostigma was i believe in advent children jenova cells were infecting people but at the end the lifestream cured them. will be interesting to see how it changes in the remakes time line

It’s interesting that the black whispers (Sephiroth’s) are fighting off the white ones in the background, almost as if it’s intentional for Cloud to be there to prove Sephiroth’s point. The minute Cloud says her name the black whispers once again breach the wall of whispers allowing him in. Later when Cloud is holding Aerith in his arms and Sephiroth is laughing he tells Cloud not to weep because he’s an empty puppet with basically no will of his own, right there and then he flicks Aerith’s blood in Cloud’s direction and magically Aerith wakes up… the timing of that is weird to me. Almost as if it’s Sephiroth’s doing. Almost as if he’s trying to break Cloud’s psyche even more, toying with him and making him think Aerith is alive as she “wakes up”. Another interesting moment though, is when they’re sitting after the burial near the water and Cloud gets a pink flash/vision this time (which is different than the usual Jenova/green one) and we get another shot of Aerith falling…) I believe the pink vision is from Aerith trying to tell Cloud something.

It's just a theory mate and right now there are many. In the OG FF7 there were 2 theories and both make sense. The question was always "who was controlling who?" Was Sephiroth controlling Jenova or was Jenova controlling Sephiroth? Jenova was a shapeshifting otherworldly being who crash landed on the planet in a meteor and was sealed away by the Cetra. It's purpose was to merge/consume the lifestream and destroy the planet. The Cetra managed to seal Jenova but Hojo theorised that Jenova was very much alive and those injected with Jenova cells ( Sephiroth, Cloud etc) would try to reunite with Jenova. That's what the reuninon was in OG FF7. Was it the fact that they were injected with Jenova cells that Jenova was able to control them? Was Sephiroth a puppet the entire time? After Sephiroth's body fell into the lifestream it could not return due to the otherworldly Jenova cells present. This is why he sought the black materia. But was this Jenova pulling the strings or was Sephiroth now able to control Jenova due to the cells being injected at foetus stage. Was Jenova taking the form of Sephiroth throughout the game and led the party to bring it the black materia? The game in rebirth has taken a different direction. The white whispers are arbiters of fate and are there to ensure fate runs it's predetermined path. The black whispers are controlled by Sephiroth who seeks to re-write history. That is all we know so far. So no Cloud is not summoning those black whispers It's either Jenova/Sephiroth but we'll have to wait until the 3rd installment. The reunion now is something completely different as well.

@NerdGeekTalk

18 күн бұрын

I think I mentioned in the video that Sephiroth was controlling cloud until cloud blocked Sephiroth sword. Also I think it was confirmed that Sephiroth is controlling Jenova because he had a stronger will.

@duckking3208

18 күн бұрын

@@NerdGeekTalk I feel it's up to player interpretation. Neither theory can be successfully disputed. Sephiroth being the main villain is arguably the most favoured scenario. But him being a puppet or Jenova the entire time is valid as there isn't enough evidence I'm the OG FF7 to say otherwise.

@NerdGeekTalk

18 күн бұрын

@@duckking3208 The supplementary Ultimania Omega lore book confirms Sephiroth became powerful enough to dominate Jenova, not the other way around. As such, every act Sephiroth commits is entirely of his own volition

@zest01

13 күн бұрын

Aren’t the grey whispers from Remake the arbiters of fate? I thought white ones are different from grey ones.

The truth about spoilers in the title my god. Im on my first play through. Thanks guy

@108Rudi

19 күн бұрын

RIP. Such a shame. Sorry for your loss

@jarrodhoyt2097

13 күн бұрын

Then play the game, stay off social media and KZread till you’re done…. Don’t feel bad for you….

@insanityhawkboy

12 күн бұрын

been actively ignoring most of social media the last few months since I couldn't start playing up until now thanks to work... watched a video on solving a side quest a few days ago and now the KZread algorithm thinks I want more...and now I had this in my timeline....I'm pissed beyond belief... I know the original and the main appeal for me was to find out if the same will happen at the end of Rebirth since the timeline changed... thanks for nothing

I think it's interesting what you said. I also have some theories about the whispers. I think that at some point Cloud can control the white whispers. He needs Aerith to activate Holy for some reason, but also, of course he wants to save Aerith's life as well.

@NerdGeekTalk

21 күн бұрын

I never thought about that way but this makes sense

@rubicolin4692

20 күн бұрын

@@NerdGeekTalk He has a Holy which is empty, but looks like it still has relevance in the story. Cloud is still strugling with his past and the memories he lost when he was captured by Hojo. That's why he, at this point of the game, hasn't realized that Aerith means so much to him. In the OG, he regrets not being able to understand what was behind Aerith's actions. Plus, the song Hollow confirms that his mental state didn't let him see that Aerith was going to sacrifice herself. This new game allows him to understand that he will grieve over her death. And I'm sure he will do something to save her given how he suffers in AC.

Yes true, there's multi worlds or alternate timeline, Sephiroth already know everything😮 from the beginning, Aerith's death is real between present and rebirth😢

I Thought it was obvious she dies. But what Im more confused on is the dream aerith we saw. was that rebirth or og aerith AND the aerith you see at the end that makes it seem its all in Cloud's head. but even Nanaki felt her for a moment, which aerith is that? the rebirth Aerith? AND where the bloody hell is alternative aerith (zacks timeline) was she dead the whole time and her body and empty vessel for other aerith's to hitch a ride in?

@TheNFromO

15 күн бұрын

ultamania states date aerith is not remake aerith but a different aerith.

@Nikachewy

15 күн бұрын

@@TheNFromO then most likely thats og aerith?

@TheNFromO

15 күн бұрын

@@Nikachewy maybe? we don't know. The thing we know definitively is that aerith and remake aerith are not the same.

am i the only one who thought that it was clear that aerith died? cloud has serious case of maco degradation...its all in his head. i played the og, even in og , cloud is a nutcase. developers just made it more evident in this remake

@theonecalledlamorak6446

19 күн бұрын

Why is Cloud imagining the white light while he blocks Sephiroth? He has no frame of reference for what that is. Even in the dream date with Aerith that light shows up and sees it and says, “what is this?” He can’t just be “imagining” that, there’s a deliberate reason why the developers planted that there.

@xxreyoxx

18 күн бұрын

​@@theonecalledlamorak6446 he does have a frame of reference. In Remake when they walked intothe white light before facing Sephiroth at the highway.

@theonecalledlamorak6446

18 күн бұрын

@@xxreyoxx that wasn’t the same multi-colored white light effect we see in rebirth with splintering realities (that wasn’t established until this game when we see Zack making different decisions in his realities). And even if that’s true…why would that be part of his imagination? Still makes no sense…

@xxreyoxx

18 күн бұрын

@@theonecalledlamorak6446 ur right that it wasnt multi-colored but definitely had the same effect of entering white light and a new space where u can defy destiny. Thats just how im seeing it. Sephiroth is just making new realities with these butterfly effects

The Devs stated that they wanted the whisperers in the OG back in 97, however the technology limitations prevented that. That this is what they had envisioned originally. I love FF7, I believe that we are simply getting reimagining of the story. This additions (not changes) are design to keep the old fans guessing and debating.

I don't care what you say about this game I think it's better than Red Dead redemption 2

im not convinced that Aerith has not been killed off yet she got a roll to play like nomura of square enix said multi time verses and worlds there are those that think from the OG game era want her dead then there are those that want her to survive both have there cases and guess what we are all wrong that's right square enix knows what's gonna happen they are keeping us all guessing and we are all theory crafting hard no one knows what's happening and I like it like that keep us all guessing and on our toes the unsurtinty about it only square enix knows what's going down we have to wait till part 3 and ill be watching square enix and there media like a Hawke from now till then I cant wait put ill be watching the likes of the big game critics or KZreadrs like maxamillion dude and bliz and others cause max tends to have a dig or contacts within square enix for important information and sources within square enix he always got something

ok the title is wrong. you say both truth about at the start and theory at the end. its a theory not truth. theorys cannot be a truth they can become a truth but it turns into a fact and not being a theory any more. dont title your videos like this please.

@NerdGeekTalk

19 күн бұрын

Okay my next video title will be “the truth about this comment and it how effected my life.”