I'd personally love to see more videos like this, this is wonderful and I wish people would have more civil discussions about different DBZ scores across the board

It’s weird how the soundracks change the vibe of the show

@adventuretime9

3 ай бұрын

It's not weird at all, the music is what helps make the vibe

This is an interesting technicality. I feel like most people already know that the Japanese "Kikuchi" scene is actually a Yamamoto track taking "inspiration" from Propaganda's A Secret Wish album. However the American Faulconer one is interesting because it was a case of being changed multiple times. Originally it had a very different track entitled "Frieza's Death" written for it, but Funimation requested changes and it wound up having this heavy metal tone. Regardless how you feel about it, it's not what the composers originally went for. You can actually hear it crossfade out at 01:48 and hear the new track edited in if you listen carefully.

Eu sou brasileiro e em nossa dublagem Dragon Ball Z tem as trilhas sonoras japonesas de Shunsuke Kikuchi. Eu sinceramente não entendo como tem muita gente que gosta das trilhas do Faulconer (São ótimas composições é claro) mas parece que nenhuma delas combina com Dragon Ball Z, é sempre um rock e tudo muito elétrico e nunca tem um momento calmo. Sinto que a experiência fica mais completa com saxofone, flautas e estética de Super Sentai.

Kikuchi the best one by far for this scene. Feels very nostalgic while also fitting for a character from the future. Faulconer was good until the abrupt change is music when trunks was about the slice freezypop. Yamamoto I’m neutral.

@samueloak1600

Жыл бұрын

Yamamoto Composed that theme too!

@e3uphoric51

10 ай бұрын

GGRRRRGGHHHHHH FREEEZZYYYYY POPPPPPPPP

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

@@samueloak1600 He only arranged it, the actual composers are the band called Propaganda whose album (A Secret Wish) he mixed into that track.

@samueloak1600

7 ай бұрын

@@gespenst1329 true, I guess

@FeiFongWang

7 ай бұрын

I prefer Faulconer, the Kikuchi track made it sound like some cringe 70's tokusetsu made for 9 year olds.

Battle point unlimited is soon frickin good

Correct Title: (Yamamoto vs Faulconer vs Yamamoto...again vs Kikuchi)

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

Lol true

The faulconer music here sounds like something from sonic 06

@StevenJones851

Жыл бұрын

Sonic 6 needs a Remake

@AquaBlueTea

Жыл бұрын

One of the greatest game soundtracks ever

@reggiePLEASE

Жыл бұрын

faulconer's fine and all but it ain't quite at the level of any of the tomoya ohtani sonic music

@alexcontrerasnegativened7777

10 ай бұрын

But sonic 06 still had a good soundtrack.

@alexcontrerasnegativened7777

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dax_uLGhZ8LQmqw.htmlfeature=shared

Funny enough, the first example is also technically a Yamamoto score. He made Battle Point Unlimited, which is an awesome theme, but unfortunately another of his plagiarized works. Despite the plagiarism, I still think the original did this scene best. Freeza's last bit of dialogue before he dies is by far the most fitting, and the music is excellent, even if it was ripped off. lol I'd say... 1. Original (Kikuchi/Yamamoto) 2. Kai (Yamamoto) 3. DBZ Dub (Faulconer) 4. Kai (Kikuchi) All are at least good imo. Yamamoto's Kai score is so memorable here. Sometimes, I find myself humming this theme while at work. Gives a great sense of surprise and "Trunks doesn't mess around." Faulconer Productions does a great job with tension throughout the series, and this music definitely conveys an unforgettable shock-factor. The issue is that the scene never gets a chance to breathe with the music constantly playing and switching. Unless Faulconer handled the sound mixing for each episode, I put the blame more on Funimation. I love the Kikuchi score... for the original anime. For Kai's quicker pace, a lot of the classic themes simply don't fit, and some of the deeper cuts had to be used. This scene is actually an example of where it works, thanks to the fast pace (Feels like everything is happening so suddenly), and those moments where the music stops, to let it sink in that Freeza just got sliced in half, was a stroke of brilliance. Still, I think it's probably the weakest of the four.

@Jiterdomer

Жыл бұрын

Yamamoto's Kai score is straight rip off of War from Fox's Avatar film.

@Solid_Snake98

Жыл бұрын

I’d say Kikuchi’s score was the strongest of the four

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

The first of his score years-long plagiarism.

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

@@Jiterdomer Funny how both times the track was plagiarized. (BPU however came a full 9 months before that scene even first aired.)

@ginogatash4030

2 ай бұрын

The problem with the Kikuchi score in Kai is how half assed and limited the music placing was, if they replaced Yamamoto's ost properly it could have been even better than Z.

It's been pointed out by others already, but the track that plays in the original Japanese version of Z is actually an insert song composed (read: plagiarized) by Yamamoto, not part of Kikuchi's score.

@fahadmalik8862

27 күн бұрын

Huh? The Japanese score was done first how that makes sense? Wtf

@sabishiihito

3 күн бұрын

@@fahadmalik8862 Yamamoto stole it from a German 80s band

What's playing for most of the "Kikuchi score" in Z is a "Kenji Yamamoto" track lol It's the best one, but it still must be acknowledged as the Blatant Plagiarism _Unlimited_ that it is. Incidentally, it also makes calling it the “Kikuchi score” a misnomer as the late composer never wrote anything like that.

I love the faulcner score cause i grew up eith that kind of vibe. The ppg took lots of inspiration from their fights and that up tempo drum beat in their fights and theme from this and really set the bar for shows who had action to make the theme impactful and cause a rush from inside you. Amazing how music in the same setting cause such different emotion.

There's technically a 2nd version of the Yamamoto score for this scene playing The Braveheart Challenges the Strong, before they switched over to the Kikuchi score. This was before they realized the true extent of his plagiarism and replaced his score entirely

@gespenst1329

Ай бұрын

Hard to separate Yamamoto from this scene for some reason.

@SkyAeria

Ай бұрын

@@gespenst1329 I don't think there's a single bad version of this scene. Faulconer, Kikuchi, Yamamoto

@gespenst1329

Ай бұрын

@@SkyAeria The Faulconer version was subject to heavy meddling by Funimation so personally I don’t like it. Of course, even beside that since the track changing every 6 seconds or so wasn’t as good as having just one track that works for the scenes from beginning to end. Far as Kikuchi Kai… well it has a similar issue with normal Z (the track the episode 120 scene was structured around is Hit Song Collection Yamamoto).

Yamamoto suits this scene more

@E10290

6 ай бұрын

Agree

@andrewgarfield9898

5 ай бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

@mot0rdeth

4 ай бұрын

​@TheGOAT-hj6slwhy

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

@TheGOAT-hj6sl Get out you clownish fanbrat.

@ginogatash4030

2 ай бұрын

You mean Yamamoto in Z or in Kai? Cause technically the piece in Z wasn't composed by Kikuchi, or even by Yamamoto given the plagiarism controversy.

The very last kikuchi one is definitely my personal fav. The voice actors were TOP NOTCH and the way the score just stops to show that Frieza was cut is perfect.

@THEdudeproductions

Жыл бұрын

Nah bro that music cut hit HARD, shit was good. I don't know who decided to make sure to cut the music at that point, but it was def one of the best decisions.

@gillysummerss

Жыл бұрын

@@THEdudeproductions Amen

@Marcelo_DBZ_Music

6 ай бұрын

Brilliant edit, I really wish the Yamamoto version did something creative like that

@chrisf2874

4 ай бұрын

I really wish the Kikuchi score had more thought put into it for Kai. This scene rips but the overall score is a fraction of the DBZ library, and they replaced the Yamamoto score basically last minute so it gets super repetitive and doesn't always match the action. There was a couple of attempts to make fan edits that restore the original DBZ Kikuchi score but unfortunately they seem to have died.

@ginogatash4030

2 ай бұрын

​@@chrisf2874 yes, Kai absolutely does the Kikuchi score dirty.

Hey everybody, thanks for all the views on this random little video, I appreciate it. Please stop telling me the first score uses a Yamamoto track. I know, I already knew when I made the video. I was using “Kikuchi Score” as a label to differentiate it from other DBZ scores, such as the Faulconer score or the Wasserman score. You do not need to comment about it anymore. Also, please watch some of my other videos that I put way more time and effort into.

Even though the first one is technically Yamamoto (and also plagiarized 😢) it is by far my favorite

those were all good

Great comparison! My ranking of the tracks for this scene are Yamamoto's piece for Kai > Kikuchi's piece for Kai > Faulconer > Yamamoto's piece for DBZ.

First one is the best ❤

All of them both

the last part was my childhood... Kikuchi score + Dub.... but the differen using the old one

Vengo a ponerle la falda

Faulkner goated

The first one is from Yamamoto

Bruce Faulconer's soundtrack all the way!

@rhuanlucas2151

3 ай бұрын

Quem é esse herege?

@juancitoperez2856

3 ай бұрын

jaja horrible

@ZrainF91

Ай бұрын

faulconer didn't write anything. he wrote like three songs for that soundtrack and stole credit from his team of producers/writers, scott morgan and mike smith. and even then it's mediocre, take off ur nostalgia goggles lol

DBZ without Faulconer is like pizza without sauce. I can’t eat it.

@salt20xX

2 ай бұрын

you falcouner meat riders are everywhere lmao.

@donmanue3274

Ай бұрын

Exactly the opposite to me. I have listen to this american score for the first time and it lacks all the drama and operistic grandeur dbz it was always inspire me. Yamato first time hear too and it's a little bit better. But none's better than kikuchi.

Kikuchi score for the series Faulconer for the buu saga

1. Z kikuchi score 2. Z Kai Yamamoto score 3. Z Bruce faulconer score 4. Z Kai kikuchi score The only right opinion.

Does anyone know where to find the ocean dub of this scene?

@funkybunko

6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t exist. Ocean stopped dubbing after Goku landed on Namek and only picked back up with Goku landing on earth after Trunks defeated Frieza (the episode where he shows off Instant Transmission for the first time) so this scene was never dubbed by them, unless there’s a flashback scene I’m forgetting about.

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

@@funkybunko Not even Westwood?

@funkybunko

3 ай бұрын

@@gespenst1329 nope, Westwood IS the Ocean dub I mentioned that picked back up with Goku landing on earth after Trunks defeated Frieza. Basically the team of FUNimation/Saban/Ocean did from Raditz to when Goku landed on Namek and the team of ABGroup/Westwood/Ocean did Goku landing back on earth to the end of Z.

It’s hard to believe yamamoto plagiarized this scene in Kai and original z😂

@gespenst1329

Ай бұрын

The OG Z scene was just the production crew plopping one of his tracks from a Hit Song Collection CD (that came 9 months before the episode) into it at least :p

None of them are any bad at all. Just different styles. Kukichi is definitely the best tho.

Dang really trying to tempt to watch Kai with that banger lol

Faulconer Score sounds like Fckn PowerPuff Girls 😂😂😂😂😂 It made me. Laugh honestly

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

LOL didn't even think of that, just thought of discount VGM.

@gespenst1329

4 ай бұрын

@TheGOAT-hj6sl If anyone’s an alt, it’s you.

@gespenst1329

4 ай бұрын

@TheGOAT-hj6sl You’re a nobody from out of nowhere so that’s you.

@PowerRobMusic

Ай бұрын

​@TheGOAT-hj6slyou are correct, the Faulconer score is the best

@gxlestrada

19 күн бұрын

Fun Fact: Faulconer wrote the score because Funimation didn't wanted to payoff royalties and because the producers felt more need to Americanize the soundtrack to be akin to American (USA) Cartoons.

The others just don't get me as hyped or that feeling of tension as much as Faulconer's score.

Kikuchi score is better

@Beltzer0072

Жыл бұрын

Everyone has their preference. Myself? I enjoy the Faulconer score but that's why I wish Funimation would just get it right and redo the level sets with audio score you can adjust to your liking.

@Harsh-lq7xj

Жыл бұрын

@@Beltzer0072 Good idea. BTW, i enjoy both faulconer and kikuchi. I prefer kikuchi mostly cuz it knows where to stop unlike faulconer. I hated how funimation used the music soo frequently. Lol

@Code1Lyoko

Жыл бұрын

Faulconer is my second favorite but Yamamoto will always be my favorite even through he plagiarized it it was perfect for special timings especially in Kai’s case so Yamamoto wins hands down

@Code1Lyoko

Жыл бұрын

@@Harsh-lq7xj also Kikuchi is ok but his music only works in Z not Kikuchi in Kai I’m sorry it just doesn’t fit there

@samueloak1600

Жыл бұрын

That track is actually Yamamoto's too

I thought the faulconer was a joke at first and I am for real, what is this DnB music? 😅 (No hate)

@beezelsub

11 ай бұрын

The DnB part was better.

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

Discount VGM.

The first one isn’t kikuchi it's yamamotos score which was copied

@funkybunko

7 ай бұрын

For some reason KZread won’t let me pin it but I already addressed this in a comment.

Faulconer was the best because the rock theme really represented how much of a badass trunks was when he first arrived

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

The guys working on it didn't even like this placement lol

@TonyFontaine1988

5 ай бұрын

Dude it sucks

first one doesnt fit at all sounds like me watching DBZ while on the elevator and the song comes up. second one is the best imo and og to dbz (grew up with) third one fits really well as well better than the first one but then i sometimes miss the og badass song moments in bruce.

@miadatenshi9903

Жыл бұрын

Because we all know elevator music has banging music

@TheWitch297

Жыл бұрын

definitely bruce. some weirdos out there prefer the 1st example lol

@miadatenshi9903

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWitch297 So? Yeah it's the original music intended, not some random synths

@TheWitch297

Жыл бұрын

@@miadatenshi9903 first off, I was playing around a bit. secondly, those random synths managed to get millions of ppl in the U.S. interested in anime as whole back in the day. I think it did it's job. certainly did for my childhood. there will always be a debate over which version of the show is better. oh, and there's nothing wrong with being a weirdo lol

@THEdudeproductions

Жыл бұрын

How tf does the first one not fit?? This shit got me scratching my head bro. And the 3rd one def ain't better.

japanese soundtrack perfection ! Other english version sounds so horrible !! How is it possible to change such perfect japan sound for those english shit

BRUCE FAULCONER

@rhuanlucas2151

3 ай бұрын

Trash

Yamamoto did this better

@MetalFreezer3000

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Battle Point Unlimited is good

@Code1Lyoko

Жыл бұрын

Yea even through the music is from the movie Avatar it’s still good

@Jiterdomer

Жыл бұрын

Kai's version kinda sucked

@Code1Lyoko

Жыл бұрын

@@Jiterdomer yea to you not to everyone else

@taixipoaviation1309

Жыл бұрын

@@Jiterdomer No. With Yamamoto score, this scene is better. I didn’t say Z is worse than Kai, but Kai did an amazing job on this scene

Yamamoto score is better

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

He did this twice tho.

Yamamoto score sounds like War from Avatar which doesn't fit in the scene.

@machineboyrecroom

9 ай бұрын

It is, he plagiarized it.

@user-gy3lg4pc1l

4 ай бұрын

In this senes, it's all from Yamamoto except for Bruce's music and Koichi's music from Kai

Faulconer score actually enhanced the scene...the others were just one track playing all the way through. Very little direction, just a track in the background. However, with faulconer; they paid attention to each thing happening on screen. Like when trunks put his hands out, they emphasized it. when the panned over to him, the change in theme represented the new character, trunks being introduced (in a badass way). and then the kill...they dramatized it by changing the theme again. Alot more thought was put into the direction, and it enhanced the impact of what was happening. whether you LIKE the music or not, it was utilized in a more advanced fashion that enhanced the scene. some of you need to...think about these things.

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

That's called Mickey Mousing, aka cringe. Unanimously agreed, even by 2 of the score's own ghostwriters, to be one of the worst elements of that score. Following every movement is ADHD-tier editing forced to fit in.

Faulconer

The people who like faulconer more have no taste

Yamamoto is better for Kai not Kikuchi

@machineboyrecroom

9 ай бұрын

Personally I like both in Kai

@Code1Lyoko

Күн бұрын

@@machineboyrecroomwell I don’t know why you like both but Kikuchi is only better in Z not Kai his music doesn’t even fit in Kai unlike Yamamoto’s that does

The Original, the English replacement and the Plagiarist

Heeeey frieza! Aaaaaaa yaaaaaah!! Lol😅 sounds horrible

Faulconer is the worst

Gosh the english dub is terrible. Why do people still like that trash?

@elmarakovideo

4 ай бұрын

Correct. I stopped watching when FUNimation switched to their lame Texas voice cast. Ocean was the Best!💯

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

Selective memory.

@rhuanlucas2151

3 ай бұрын

Por que Americanos são preguiçoso s e não exigem uma qualidade decente para sua dublagem.

@SpeedPunch

Ай бұрын

@@gespenst1329 When I got into db 2 years ago, I never really found the funimation dub to be what other would say. I found it awkward and Dialogue is Questionable. Now I know why.

Faulconer is superior

@liamconverse8950

6 ай бұрын

Overall for the whole series yeah

@TonyFontaine1988

5 ай бұрын

Blind American fan

@TonyFontaine1988

4 ай бұрын

@TheGOAT-hj6sl uses the term bigoted for a white man defending a superior Asian dub. IQ level of this person? 87 likely

@gespenst1329

3 ай бұрын

@@TonyFontaine1988 Yea, dude has no idea what he's talking about, and should probably look in the mirror.

@Blackreapxr

2 ай бұрын

@@TonyFontaine1988 cringe lord weeb spotted.

The acting in the English dub is bad. And the music isn't any better lol 🤣

@StevenJones851

Жыл бұрын

Both are pretty good

@blur8163

Жыл бұрын

Kai dub > sub

@miadatenshi9903

Жыл бұрын

​@@blur8163 Let me laugh harder

@blur8163

Жыл бұрын

@@miadatenshi9903 Do whatever you want weeb i dont really care

@miadatenshi9903

Жыл бұрын

@@blur8163 "Weeb" okay dubbie?

Bruce faulconer all the wayyy

Yamamoto score is better

@gespenst1329

7 ай бұрын

The first one is a Yamamoto score too :p

@christopher_silver

7 ай бұрын

Yamamoto sounds like Zelda music