"I want to make a game with a non-sexualized female protagonist" *Makes said protagonist sexuality the center of it's marketing for years*

@tkps

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. How can he possibly reconcile his words with his actions?

@Hellcaiser4

4 жыл бұрын

Ah damn I just wrote basically the same comment. Thought it was so good lol.

@iffysaqibi510

4 жыл бұрын

*makes DLC sexualising a little girl*

@karasoth

4 жыл бұрын

And then I make her a brutal revenge fetishist

@PaulJohnson-zv3hl

4 жыл бұрын

You clearly can’t understand the difference between a persons sexuality and that person being sexualised.

I don't think anybody who has played Halo's campaigns sees Cortana as a sex object. She is the best object.

@omiorahman6283

4 жыл бұрын

these aint real fans cortana was the funking reason humanity is alive at the first place. soy people tends to bring the soy emasculation culture not every entertainment needs to cuck

@CurtyTails

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention every fucking fictional character is literally an object

@KusunokiSG47

4 жыл бұрын

She was like a a guardian angel Sure she's designed hot but I never thought to fuck her *in the game* as I do respect the character

@thomasparkin259

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, she's attractive in form but never sexualised, the basis of her relationship with the Master Chief is an emotional and intellectual one built on shared experiences, trials and trust. She drives the plot and is very much in the lead position when it comes to her relationship with the Master Chief. I think people interested in positive female portrayals would praise the character of Cortana.

@carbonsuicidemtb1583

4 жыл бұрын

What these fools are saying is because they think it's sexual, you must, they have got it wrong so are accusing you of being worse than them because otherwise they'd have to realise that in fact they are the problem, not you

Speaking as a straight woman myself? 1. Drawing sexy ladies is *fun.* Drawing beautiful women in sexy costumes is *fun.* 2. Playing as a beautiful, confident, kick-ass woman with her own personality and fun/likeable characteristics is a wonderful feeling for me. Bayonetta is legitimately my fictional role model for this reason; she is everything I want to be. Sexy, strong, confident and comfortable in herself, doesn't take crap from anyone, a skilled fighter, yet still very kind-hearted and goes out of her way to help and protect people who get caught in the crossfire. 3. The *constant* implication that "big breasts == gross and wrong" is a terrible, _terrible_ mindset to have, because - news flash - females with naturally large breasts exist.

@01Sjohn

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, can you please find a way to clone yourself?

@jady7590

4 жыл бұрын

He is not implicating that the sexualised women are bad characters, or inherently sexist. He argues that the majority of female characters in games being sexualised, and a lack of typical female characters/role models is sexist. And by creating Ellie, he wanted to challenge that. At least, that's what I understood. As a lesbian, I enjoy sexy women in my games haha. But it was cool to see a more normal looking girl being so badass.

@Ben-pp5tt

4 жыл бұрын

You missed the point. The constant implication that exists within video games is that “a viable female character must be attractive.” There are very few games that stray away from this mindset.

@CatCreamer

4 жыл бұрын

I understand your point but the people who wants these things gone don't actualy care about the games, they just care about being politicly correct.

@mightquinnable

4 жыл бұрын

can we all agree that Bayonetta is one of the best female protagonists to come out this past decade

Troy Baker’s hair triggered me.

@lowhp_comic

4 жыл бұрын

My man looking like Jake from the Tweenies

@therobloxhotman1040

4 жыл бұрын

he thinks he looks so good to

@reze0001

4 жыл бұрын

@@therobloxhotman1040 he does look good thats his style

@KingKong19100

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah cause it’s badass

@someasiankid6323

4 жыл бұрын

he just looks good. any hairstyle works on him. but I liked his hairstyle in the first last of us

the fact that Neil thinks that a female character's sexy design means rendering them less than a woman or a human is already sexist.

@MattDoakNM

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. They're just immature, maladjusted, insecure bullies who have a terrible view of men, women, the interactions between the two, and humanity in general.

@austin9568AuraMasterDX

4 жыл бұрын

thăng long nguyễn vũ It's very male feminist of him

@buzpower2582

4 жыл бұрын

I don't get it tho are people like this saying that attractive Women in the real world are somehow lesser than other women in some way. I mean ok you don't want attractive Women in your game that's fine but don't then badmouth games that have them in it I mean he doesn't go around in real life shoving burkas on attractive females does he?. The guys just a straight up moron I think lol.

@darkhorseman90

4 жыл бұрын

Cortana went full Genocidal Messiah Ayane helps Hayabusa with directions and tips throughout the game, among the other females in the series Quiet sacrificed herself just so the virus infecting her wouldn't leak out to Snake and co But no, let's talk about how they look and make that their "everything"

@shionkreth7536

4 жыл бұрын

@@darkhorseman90 But if media's taught me anything, it's that if a woman expresses her sexuality at all, she's just a sex object with no agency or value as a human being.

Yet there are tons of women who love to cosplay as sexy characters so who are you to tell women who can and cannot be their role models. These people take the fun out of life.

@alliezah

4 жыл бұрын

Did you notice that it's always ugly women that push an agenda? Wonder why.

@gonaddabarbarian

4 жыл бұрын

they'll try, to take the fun out of life, but only if we let them.

@superbennyboy1

4 жыл бұрын

Its almost as if attempting to make everyone else uglier is more work than actually trying to look good yourself. What a waste of productivity.

@Csumbi

4 жыл бұрын

i feel like most of the female cosplayers, especially the popular ones, have no idea who the characters are they are cosplaying as. They do it for the onlyfans and patreon money. Not all of them, of course, but most of them. At least thats how it looks like to me.

@Vaeren222

4 жыл бұрын

Women like to feel sexy

Neil: "Designing a woman with big breast is sexist" Also Neil: *Thinks that a female character's sexy design renders them less than a woman*

@GeraltofRivia22

4 жыл бұрын

Thinks that a woman who doesn't look like a man is less than a woman

@Ben-pp5tt

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. You guys completely missed the point.

@GeraltofRivia22

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-pp5tt then please enlighten us

@Ben-pp5tt

4 жыл бұрын

Geralt of Rivia Neil is not against a woman looking attractive. He’s criticizing the PATTERN in which female characters appear over sexualized in games further perpetuating the narrative that a female character must be attractive to be viable. This pattern/narrative clearly exists in entertainment. The fact that so many people are angry at Neil for creating unattractive female characters only further confirms his point.

@nightruler666

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-pp5tt then why to ficitional women trigger him?

Neil: “I wanted to create the most non sexualised female protagonist...” Also Neil: “Lets make a gay female character that shares a long drawn out kiss loaded with sexual tension in our trailer, then we’ll do a cut scene in game, with them in their underwear, playing in bed together...” 🤔🤔🤔

@videogamejo

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's weird that a man in his 40s likes to write about teenage lesbians.

@drfifteenmd7561

4 жыл бұрын

That's his fetish cant judge a man for that

@OmegaF77

4 жыл бұрын

@Java Monsoon r/whoosh because the OP already addressed your concern. If Neil was going to make non-sexualised female character, he would have designed an E rated game, not The Last of Us.

@nervousgreg

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like even more guys would spank it to two lesbians getting it on so it seems counter intuitive to his supposed goal.

@LucidConcept

4 жыл бұрын

Also Neil: “Let’s make a female character built like a fucking linebacker and have her beat the living shit out of our two protagonists. Much like Nadine in Uncharted 4 beating the lights out of Drake and Sam.”

Do they not know that female characters can be badass along with being well written and still be attractive?

@kristiyangrigorov5232

4 жыл бұрын

Like Aloy from HZD

@tomo2159

4 жыл бұрын

That's real badass woman, strong and still atractive

@hvkreaper542

4 жыл бұрын

How dare you make sense. This is simply not allowed when viewing through the lens of a feminist agenda.

@nicoluggi95

4 жыл бұрын

Attractive women are sexist😡😡😡😡😡😡

@Ben-pp5tt

4 жыл бұрын

Yes obviously. That’s a given. The problem is that too many developers don’t seem to understand that female characters can be badass along with being well written and be UNattractive.

Baker sounds like he's on marijuana. Druckmann sounds like he just got abducted by radical feminists and forced to watch all seasons of law & order: SVU.

@sicada66

4 жыл бұрын

On marijuana lol

@kentlindal5422

4 жыл бұрын

@@saintjames1995 personally, didn't like it but you do you.

@GartheKnightReturns

4 жыл бұрын

The video of him from about a week or two back, he looked like he was geeked out on something. You can see it in his eyes.

@PepperKatLancer

4 жыл бұрын

@@saintjames1995 yeah a lot of it is fake how it makes for good tv not how a lot of it works in Real life.

@besserwissersmartass1170

4 жыл бұрын

@@subxero867 is he from SoCal?

I don't want my daughter to look at sexy characters, so I made a game when you beat up people very graphically to a bloody pulp.

@Chronochrome

4 жыл бұрын

Not only that, but the main characters who repeatedly and remorselessly commit these horrific acts of violence to each other and everyone around them? Female. Ideal role models if you ask me!

@dylancross1039

4 жыл бұрын

As an American, America's almost puritanical views on anything remotely sexual while also depicting all sorts of graphic violence without batting an eye is hysterical.

I don't see how Troy can have that haircut and still think he knows best.

@vc1741

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly Troy is a very good looking guy but his hair is hideous

@HydeKurogane

3 жыл бұрын

The hair looks like the Da vinky twins.

@MassHystarix

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda dig it

Neil Druckmann: "I don't like what I see." I'm pretty sure thats a quote from women mind when they look at Neil Druckmann and his work.

@nicksrandomreviews

4 жыл бұрын

@Storm Lee They say art can be a window into the mind of the artist... Just saying, women should be a hundred times more careful if Neil Druckman and a nine iron are in the same room.

The self awareness of these people is depressingly low.

@PeteTheGrouch

4 жыл бұрын

Self reflection/criticism typically isn't a strong trait of these "progressive" types...

@FailDRE86

4 жыл бұрын

Low? More like none.

@yderga8707

4 жыл бұрын

What they have is a backwards version of sensitivity. They feel like their feelings as a whole are more important than the majority of people who poured money and time into their product and merchandise, they have no respect for the people that got them game and money. Now that druckman had fans build his platform, he no longer needs them.

@crashpal

4 жыл бұрын

@@PeteTheGrouch make amerikkka great again

@alexanderhuezo958

4 жыл бұрын

The self awareness in this comment section is depressingly low.

As a person who grew up in the 90's, one of my favorite female leads was Lara Croft? Why? It wasn't just because she was sexy but because she *OWNED* it and was more than just sexy. She was a rich, bad ass who could kill T-Rexes with infinite back flips, infinite guns and look rocking while doing it. There's nothing wrong with being an attractive looking character. Its the reason why even male power fantasies involve being super in shape and extremely muscular instead of having beer-bellies and barely being able to do pull-ups. I really hate these sensitive people who create entertainment solely to push an agenda. Nothing ruins an experience more than being told how to feel instead of letting me feel on my own and enjoy what I'm doing.

@shuckLedurkins

4 жыл бұрын

Nah it was the triangle titties

@koricthegreatwashedupfight9088

4 жыл бұрын

I lol’d at infinite back flips cause it’s true, lmao. Also today Lara Croft would have to be turned into Abby for these people to accept her

Meanwhile in Japan: "I just really like girls" - Yoko Taro on 2B's sexy design They managed to bait you with sexy android frenchmaid killing hords of robots with an over-sized sword, AND pull one of gaming's most intelligent and meaningful bait-and-switch. If I had to name a single game that pushed the industry forward as a form of art this generation, NieR:Automata is my obvious choice.

@miragespl

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@fernandolossio15

4 жыл бұрын

Man, you're fucking right

@grimmlight4541

4 жыл бұрын

2B and A2 are death on legs.

@TimerUchiha

4 жыл бұрын

And thats fine, but the three characters that Neil used don't as much. Especially Quiet. We can still have sexy badass chaarcters, but I think its unfair to drag on Neil for pointing out some characters that have turned into/were objectified in their own narrative for no justified reason.

@FantasistSymphony

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Troy is unaware that intelligent spending is a thing. He's also unaware that criticism exists and that art can be worthless.

@blablabla9401

4 жыл бұрын

Cleaning person in a museum: "is this art...or can I throw it away?" Yep. fits this situation.

@quagavenger546

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonkersley4986 eeyup

@kristiyangrigorov5232

4 жыл бұрын

@Cure4Living im really dissapointed of him. Didn't expected that from him

@zacharyrollick6169

4 жыл бұрын

@@blablabla9401 I'm still laughing at the fact that that is something that really happed.

@wakkaseta8351

4 жыл бұрын

*"He's also unaware that criticism exists and that art can be worthless."* - Are you insinuating that art can have value?

I think I saw a hint of fear in his face when he referred to the people who he was talking about as man and had to catch himself by throwing in that "or woman" and then say that he was using "man" in a non gender-specific way. Is this what Hollywood does to people?

@MaximumSherman

4 жыл бұрын

@Jesus SupremeThat's honestly pretty scary. Imagine having to watch what you say to such a high degree that one slip and your done.

@theonethatlookslikethisone1280

4 жыл бұрын

i thought he was joking lol

@nt78stonewobble

4 жыл бұрын

Microaggression Paranoia.... Personally I think it's making people ill... Imagine thinking that every word you say makes you the most horrible person in the world or that every little thing said to you means people are out to get you? How is this really any different from a person with OCD needing to wash their hands every 5 minutes, because if they don't people might die?

@countschnitzel8903

4 жыл бұрын

- I'm, like, using "man" in a totally non gender-specific way, man. Tubular.

@therealtijuanaman

4 жыл бұрын

Its like when Peter Parker said 'spider man. Or woman! We don't know!'

Quiet: Has super strength, speed, agile, can make herself invisible. Great accuracy to even take down a guy in a jet with her rifle, she cares for Big Boss. Cortana: one of the most brilliant AIs, has charisma, emotions. Helped chief on countless occasions even saving him from becoming a Flood or dying to the Didact. If this guy can't see past their healthy bodies, which i don't get why is such a negative thing, then he is more sexist than he think he is.

"I don't know why there are people that exist whose soul purpose seemingly is to ruin the art of others" Yep they are called NPCs or SJWs.

@boboshus827

4 жыл бұрын

And on the opposite side pro rights who all they ever talk about is how bad SJW are... not saying their not just that it takes two to tango

@Ricky911_

4 жыл бұрын

KZread could be said to be one of those people

@user-uz7yo8gm1t

4 жыл бұрын

Gary Hart bruh

@Dagger_323

4 жыл бұрын

@@boboshus827 naw the SJWs are the issue here. Pro rights are usually correct.

Troy: "I don't get you." I don't get that hair, Troy...

@SelfPityEntertainment

4 жыл бұрын

I'm tempted to call him Rooster Boy or Chanticleer.

@PeteTheGrouch

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao... my thoughts exactly!

@KaiNLinda

4 жыл бұрын

Cz he's embraced his inner SJW power.

@DyspareEmbodied

4 жыл бұрын

That the LGBTQABCDXYZ style. They got him. One more lost to the madness.

@KaiNLinda

4 жыл бұрын

@nope nope. He's talking bout "us" even though he can't see the flaw what he's saying and what Neil's agenda. He's critisizing that we shouldn't interfere with people's vision or creative flow.

I like how he's created "the coolest non-sexualized female video game protagonist" in Ellie, then proceeds to make her a lesbian. Well done.

@dimitrisbright9807

4 жыл бұрын

Lol the utter hypocrisy right? I don't want you to focus on how attractive I look...but I do want you to focus on how gay I am😂😂😂

@TheNSJaws

4 жыл бұрын

@Ironbay Knight G Yes, yes it does. This is a common theme in SJW writing. For example, I watch Batwoman (It's so bad that it's good.), and when a female happens to have traits that are by other feminists considered as toxic male traits, the character is lorded as a hero. There is no consistency or a firm moral stance these people will take, there is only political opportunism (Personal is political, art is political, everything is political...).

@IggyBitz

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, making a minor a lesbian is just... hmmmm Well it's why they made her a lesbian that bothers me

@karasoth

4 жыл бұрын

Really makes you think

@Garlly34

4 жыл бұрын

She was a lesbian on the first game. I dont really think being gay equals being woke, its just that people seem to see it that way. I dont think sexual orientation has to be connected to a socio/political ideals.

"I don't understand why someone would spend time criticizing someone else's art." Well I don't understand why someone would spend so much time making sucky art.

@RandomGuyCDN

4 жыл бұрын

I also dont understand why he thinks critizing someone else's art is bad. Taking criticism (constructive of course) is a way to get better at what you do. Ignoring it is how you stay at the same level you are for the rest of your life.

@hellytuskp.v.3930

4 жыл бұрын

I mean if you are sharing shit, don't spect people won't be saying it stinks... Also not sharing he is selling, gross

@thisaintit9025

4 жыл бұрын

@@RandomGuyCDN because it's Art and Art is deeply involved with Emotions. You dont say to a musician the Point of your music is bad or do you? It's Just you dont liking the music. Beat Sound message singer. But that doesnt mean in anyway it's bad. It's Just Not your music so go on and dont talk Bad About it.

@matiasm.aguilar9015

4 жыл бұрын

@@thisaintit9025 damn bro, how much of a snowflake can u be?

@Graphaeli

4 жыл бұрын

@@thisaintit9025 L

I'm a middle aged woman & have been playing games for decades & it honestly never bothered me about the characters gender or how they looked, all that mattered was that the story & characters were interesting & I enjoyed playing them & cared about playing them. The reason I have cancelled The Last Of Us 2 is beacause I don't want to play as a character that has brutally murdrered 1 of of my Favourite characters & then hunts down the other 1. it has nothing to with the way that character looks or how they identify. probably gonna get trolled for this but fuck it

@liquidanimations3397

4 жыл бұрын

I respect that

@alexcardenas9639

4 жыл бұрын

Speak about some parts of the plot being retarded

@lollypop1333

4 жыл бұрын

tell that to Druckmann

@christianpiamonte2159

4 жыл бұрын

Do you know why the first game did so well. It didn’t have to live up tot his bullshit standard or objectifying marginalising women etc. the game just told its story and it was good.

@IngvarMar

4 жыл бұрын

christian piamonte it was also about the relationship between Joel and Ellie. That’s what made the game even better with quite a simple story. TLOU2 however doesnt’ have that

Oh the irony of Troy Bakers video side by side with Cuckmanns.

@kurogami5143

4 жыл бұрын

Where is the irony tho?

I cannot...understand....someone who would INTENTIONALLY.... be a hypocrite like Troy Baker 🤔

@Luca-bv5ic

4 жыл бұрын

how is he a hypocrite? You really think he had creative input in TLOU2 plot? Lol.

@azmirjohari609

4 жыл бұрын

He does work for nd, look a john boyega,he barely say anything to star wars film until his contract finish then he start to roast the shit out of it

@jeremyjoyner9796

4 жыл бұрын

Troy just does his job, I could understand his viewpoint seeing so much negativity and not understanding why people are angry. I hope he doesn’t end up being one of those crazy sjw/white knight/lgbtqq + people... either way he’s a great voice actor

@arnoldtettero8470

4 жыл бұрын

It his job to say this ,and likely his bonus depends on the game selling well. So of course he is doing damage control against his better judgement as the game sales will be effected by this

@ifrit1937

4 жыл бұрын

Baker should've stuck with the lower B tier anime games (like Tales of Vesperia...granted i have my own issues with that game but they're primarily related with how the story drops hard in the final act when the rest of the game's story was great and less with the voice work so that's all on the writers/Namco. Basically story went from a 8 or 9/10 to a 5 or 6/10 with the act 3 plot twist imo). Ya won't make him a shitload of money like The Last of Us but at the very least he'd be sticking to his ideas that he mentions in this video (if they were ever true that is and he's not talking out his ass to make himself look good...which is just as likely) and he wouldn't be ripped by his fans/past fans like he is being now for defending Naughty Dog's BS agenda driven and likely piece of shit story (i say likely cause i'm not buying the game, wasn't gonna before this whole debacle started though since i don't really care for these type of games to begin with (mainly play jrpgs) but this definitely makes it a no go for me now...have the first game only due to it coming with the PS4 and haven't played it yet and not sure i want to...same with the Uncharted games which i got in the last year or so when the collection went free on PS+ nearly a year ago and 4 went free on PS+ a month or two ago so if i want to see their better works i'll play them and know i never gave this sham of a company any cash at all).

Neil Drunkmen: *"I almost made a mysonogystic game"* Valve: *Females can only become witches. The most memorable and scary zombie that is avoided due to her 1 hit ko.*

@Pointman11111

4 жыл бұрын

Valve: also alyx vance one of the best female npcs in gaming history

@RTXWill

4 жыл бұрын

Not entirely true on the Valve part. Left 4 Dead 2 has female boomers.

"I almost made a mysoginistic game" ..... How is that image remotely mysoginistic?

@Isaac-nn6ws

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t quote me but I had heard somewhere that he had wanted to make a game (this is way before he made The Last of Us) where only females could be infected with a zombie-like disease

@jchoneandonly

4 жыл бұрын

@@Isaac-nn6ws Huh. That's not mysoginistic at all. Could be an interesting plot point tbh

@markonovakovic6762

4 жыл бұрын

@@jchoneandonly Well if he were to make a game where only women get infected with a zombie virus you would have to spend the whole game beating the shit out of zombie girls. Considering how many snowflakes are out there it would probably be viewed as misogynistic.

@luminous3558

4 жыл бұрын

Bold of him to assume that tlou2 isn't misogynistic.

@RafaMarTRS

4 жыл бұрын

@@markonovakovic6762 Not only that, but if it were the opposite and it was a game of only beating zombie men with an all-female cast, the internet would lose its shit too and the woke SJW would have orgasmic seizures. Dividing people in groups by their gender is a pretty bad idea overall, at least at times like these, even if the game idea is pretty cool.

Druckmann: "I wanted to create one of the coolest, non-sexualized female characters." Well, that's impossible, Druckmann, as someone will always find someone sexually appealing. There are members of the LGBTQIA+ community who find adult Ellie to be quite attractive, though I'm sure he knows that. We all know why Druckmann did this, and we all know why Troy Baker is desperately trying to downplay the events of the leak. I just wish these people would be honest, and not try to gaslight the general audience into believing that gamers hate the Last of Us 2 for misogynistic and homophobic reasons. So, to let the general audience know the truth, I think whenever someone asks why gamers hate the Last of Us 2, we should tell them they pulled a Game of Thrones. Nearly everyone I know who watched that last season hated what the writers did, and those people could absolutely care less about politics and modern day agendas; they hated the last season simply because it was bad. I think if we relate it this way to regular people, they will finally understand what's actually going on.

@lykos2738

4 жыл бұрын

@Wavy - I'm sorry but that statement is such bullshit. How is Mortal Kombat "sexualizing" anything? It's a fighting game where you beat people to death.

@lykos2738

4 жыл бұрын

@Wavy - Yes actually. It's probably, story wise, the best installment in the entire franchise (and my favorite MK game). But I already know the point you are going to make and it will be hollow, subjective and baseless.

@kazineverwind5267

4 жыл бұрын

@@lykos2738 In older MK, you could see half naked women's boobers. And that's NO GOOD! Women need to be in burkas to preserve their modesty, while the men need to be golden greek gods and Kangz.

@theaveragemoviegoer3769

4 жыл бұрын

I understand where your coming from mate I don’t like where the plot seems to be going and I’m not homophobic or racist or sexist in any way (unless hating Anita is sexist) but to be fair a lot of comments I see are people saying “I’m not buying this woke peace of shit” so I think there is 20% of people who don’t want to buy it because of that but every one else just doesn’t like where the plots going

@iridescentsea3730

4 жыл бұрын

@Wavy - I'm REALLY uncomfortable with men claiming that to be able to see the shape of a woman's body is sexual. A woman shouldn't have to hide her body to prevent the "objectifying" or "sexualizing" herself. If she's not having sex, not saying sexual words, not making sexual gestures, then it's not sexual! You're just a dirty-minded authoritarian control freak projecting on others!

Plot twist: he’s talking about Neil

@mtheory176

4 жыл бұрын

I am confused. Is he talking to us or Neil Druckmann?

@PERSONAfan01

4 жыл бұрын

@Storm Lee 4 Golden Rules of the Far Left. They always will: 1. Lie 2. Cheat 3. Project 4. Back-stab

@TSPH1992

4 жыл бұрын

They were packing fudge together

@save_cats

4 жыл бұрын

@@mtheory176 he's talking to us, but I think the intention of the video is pointing out the hypocrisy of them tearing down other people's art to put their own "art" on a pedestal. Idk why they think this guilt campaign is going to sell copies.

@kristiyangrigorov5232

4 жыл бұрын

@@save_cats idk why they attack the fans lol

Translation of Troy's speech: I don't like criticism and I think everything I do is art.

@draketherogue6634

4 жыл бұрын

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that sjws should stop trying ruin all our favorite movies, games, and tv shows by pointing out how everything is sexist, racist, and homophobic.

@kirikakirikakirika

4 жыл бұрын

@@draketherogue6634 What? No he isn't. He's talking about people criticizing the game. Someone put the clips together to show the hypocrisy.

@draketherogue6634

4 жыл бұрын

@@kirikakirikakirika Oh.

The fact that Neil said his goal is to “change the industry” shows how out of touch he is. The role of a director of a game is to create entertainment. Games are suppost to be fun, to distract consumers from the real world, from our jobs which more often than not can be really stressful. When you fall into that white knight mentality of changing things, the soul purpose of entertainment becomes irrelevant, and your left with a product that feels like a huge ego boost for the production team. Also I think Drukkman is full of it, and just is being woke for social clout. If he cared about woman’s right, why doesn’t he do anything for the millions of oppressed woman in 3rd world countries and why did he fire the lead writer of ND who was a woman. Just let that sink in

@seedysafc

4 жыл бұрын

Look at the difference between the way he behaves and talks about himself, compared with Cory Barlog. It's two polar opposites. Cory is all about serving his story, while Neil is all about serving himself. As for Troy, is Neil asks him to jump, he asks how high. Two incredibly pretentious men who love nothing more than getting into a room together and talking about how great and enlightened they are. As an aside, is there nobody in Troy's life who will tell him that walking around as a grown man with a haircut like that is unacceptable?

@joeylawrence3865

4 жыл бұрын

seedysafc whilst I agree with a lot of your points, insulting someone based on their hairstyle is pretty immature.

@sevastopol1845

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that he fired the lead writer is irrelevant. If she was bad then she gets fired nothing else to say

@thisaintit9025

4 жыл бұрын

But please if yall think so then stop arguing that games are Art if they have to be this non versetile. The game dont Want You to have fun because it's a World where 'fun' is Not really existing in most parts. And killing people shouldnt Be fun. If yall think you should've tortured and killed abby in most disturbing ways because thats your understandmant of fun evtl, then thats the wrong game for you. But that doesnt mean in anyway that the game isnt good or the Autor is 'out of his mind' or shit like that. It's Just yall dont getting the Point of the game and thats ok. But stop arguing

@nunodias3791

4 жыл бұрын

@Sneaks Cowboy That's not true at all. Any piece of content, either a movie, a game, a book, doesn't have to be fun. It can be fascinating and interesting. Stop trying to reduce a whole medium to one thing. It doesn't have to make you feel good. I don't say Schindler's List is fun. Yet, you'd never say it's a bad movie. Something meaningful but sad can also be a great game. You can enjoy it a lot, just like I enjoyed my time playing the last of us part 2.

How insulting is it to be told that because the character you like (Cortana) is sexy that means they're somehow lessened in your very own eyes? As though being attractive to men automatically MAKES THEM LESS VALUED OMFG I FIGURED IT OUT! These people don't care about women. They just hate men.

@BRAINFOXINFINITE

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Regina from Dino Crisis is one of my favorite characters from a video game and it never occurred to me how sexy her design is when I first played it. Took about ten years after playing it when I realized she's basically running around in a tactical bunny suit. I just thought she was cool because she was a kick ass character in a dinosaur game.

@flarestorm9417

4 жыл бұрын

They're very hypocritical in their logic regarding character depth and sex appeal. They claim that the females need to be made less attractive so that people see them for their personality. And yet when they show these female characters that are "problematic" they don't talk much about who they are, or are very selective with what information they give about them. They also don't propose reasons as to why they were designed the way they are beyond "it gets the boys' engines running". They claim these beautiful characters have no depth and are only there for eye candy, yet they themselves only look of them at a surface level and use them to push their own agenda. They're all hypocrites. And don't even get me started on how one-sided this all is regarding how they view men.

@MikaelLV

4 жыл бұрын

@@flarestorm9417 It's mostly about so called "unrealistic beauty standards" and that little girls will be insecure and forced into bad habits to achieve that kind of body. Then they proceed to create the most unrealistic female characters that have body builder abs in a post apocalyptic world and that's just fine. Having an attractive body is achievable for most girls, but the body of golf club Karen in TLOU2 is literally impossible for the large majority of females without using steroids.

@nkw1985

4 жыл бұрын

They hate men, straight people, all white people, Christianity, and anything that is traditional or normal.

@iridescentsea3730

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikaelLV Their mentality is an extremely unhealthy loser mentality. "Someone is better than me therefore I hate myself boo hoo". Holy shit. Not everyone thinks that way. Ideally, NO ONE would think that way. How is a "role model" someone who is already like you? Someone ugly, weak, shitty personality etc. We should raise our children to be strong inside and to be INSPIRED and MOTIVATED by the knowledge that there are people out there who are better than them at something. The answer is NOT to change the entire world to cater to the sentiments of the most pathetic.

The Last of US 2 is basically an allegory of Neil Druckmann castrating himself for being ashamed of being a man... this is far worse than the Gillette commercial.

@TheLoveAvenger

4 жыл бұрын

Epic Mojo he must hate himself because his last name has man in it

@TheMasterQuests

4 жыл бұрын

He’s no man if he’s this insecure

@SentinelEx

4 жыл бұрын

The more I hear about him the more I dislike him even more. He’s such a little bitch, ugh.

@spottyhead

4 жыл бұрын

@@kyotheman69 Anita demanded a sacrifice lol

@zebo8000

4 жыл бұрын

@@kyotheman69 gay men are still men. He is no man.

I still love Troy Baker's acting roles but I'm starting to question his personality.

@zhcur3391

4 жыл бұрын

The videos have nothing to do with each other bud

@kejarebi

4 жыл бұрын

@@zhcur3391 If he genuinely agrees with the artistic liberties taken in the game and takes the stance that Abby's VA took against the fans then yes I do think they have something to do with each other.

@jon4715

4 жыл бұрын

...and intelligence

I literally can't comprehend someone seriously telling Troy: " Yeah, your hair looks great, go with that!". ONLY Mark Paul Gossler could pull that off.

"I know that sounds pretentious, but that was my goal." Congratulations, you met that goal. Hope its worth the headache.

troy baker doesnt seem to be particularly situationally aware.

@sequorroxx

4 жыл бұрын

Or he is just a liar, perhaps even to himself.

@Gomezli16

4 жыл бұрын

He’s a fucking actor. He does funny voices. Why do you expect more?

@dinolover

4 жыл бұрын

@An Accessory to Mordor because he's too busy bullshitting

@jonbaxter2254

4 жыл бұрын

It's the hair talking...

@officerzack1108

4 жыл бұрын

Unless Neil is paying him to say all of this nonsense, I don't know how Troy can be fine with how Joel dies.

And now look at Neil’s beloved characters in the last of us 2, Abby and Ellie, were given tremendous amount of screen time of them having unnecessary sexual experiences instead of focusing on the main plot of the game. If that’s not objectifying characters I don’t know what that is.

Troy Baker needs to ditch that vanilla ice lookin’ haircut.

@nucklehead718

4 жыл бұрын

Lol 💀 4real

@SpanglesYT

4 жыл бұрын

In this era it's actually a lesbian feminazi haircut but he forgot to dye it in any color such as blue or pink.

@nucklehead718

4 жыл бұрын

@@SpanglesYT 💀💀💀💀😭🤣😂

"The people who exist to seek to destroy the art of others" oh the irony

@PERSONAfan01

4 жыл бұрын

@Storm Lee Kathleen "Karen" Kennedy

Troy is what happens when even a Texan goes full Californian.

@arandompasserby7940

4 жыл бұрын

Texifornian

@drakashrakenburgproduction5369

4 жыл бұрын

Man we Californians find him embarrassing. Proof that Anita is a virus that infects and ruins everything she comes into contact with. CD Projekt Red did the smart thing by not hiring her.

@maskedkittyMC

4 жыл бұрын

as a Californian i can tell you that we don’t want him, neil or anita. their just an embarrassment, like completely dude.

@Andrew-fq7pu

4 жыл бұрын

The Botox & hair gel have seeped into his brain. The boy also needs some steak.

@bodoque_csm

4 жыл бұрын

He's still an incredible voice actor

Notice how zelda/shiek,Jill Valentine,samus aran, elllie or Elaine of the nd games or even the boss of mgs3 glory were not even mentioned

I'm ashamed to say, as a teenager I also had this "eye opening" moment where I got influenced by the early wokeness and decided "I'll just write the least sexist story I can". You just default to an ultra masculine character and make it a woman, then make her outshine all the male characters in manly things. It's what EVERY woke writer defaults to, and it STILL feels like you're so incredibly original and ahead of the curve. You just blindly accept that feminine/sexy traits = bad, so if your character's entire premise is being the opposite of that, it's got to be a success, right? Them weak confused girls out there need a kickass rolemodel, so let's give them a disgusting toxic superhuman who would be hated by the woke, if she was a guy. Great plan. At least I was just a teenager writing in his free time, not a professional writer for Naughty Dog who is replacing Amy "time fades even legend" Hennig.

@FirstnameLastname77777

4 жыл бұрын

Im glad u found some light

@Lingel-Sama

4 жыл бұрын

Shahah this is great you made the same thing but came to a Good conclusion while These Idiots in their mid 20-30 are so blind and are in fact too blindet by their ego Not Even trying to See whats wrong with it, just blaming on Others not able too See the real whole picture

“These are role models” - shows M rated games, THAT ARENT FOR CHILDREN.

@TheMasterQuests

4 жыл бұрын

That dumb ass

@madlabsinfirmary1904

4 жыл бұрын

That didn't even cross my mind until I saw this comment. LMAO

@badreedinedjellali1328

4 жыл бұрын

I actually saw that anna stoking in a movie poster

@DonVigaDeFierro

4 жыл бұрын

Leftists are adult toddlers. Of course they need "role models" to make their asses not feel inferior.

@Dirtbag-Hyena

4 жыл бұрын

But that's the problem these days,parents don't pay attention to what their kids are doing in their lives. They don't get involved. When their kid asks for A game, they just buy it,without knowing shit about said game. I met A British 10yr old in Conan Exiles on A full nude server. I'm 50,have 2 kids,4 grandkids. I was in their lives,I took my son skateboarding, & sat & watched. I knew what games he likes,movies,music. Course I love skateboarding & seeing my son vert skate was cool as shit,but at 10yrs old,I never would've let him play Conan on A nude server. And If I let him play,I'd make sure the type of server he went too.. Hell,I don't think A 10yr old should be play ANY of these games. And yes,the females are sexy,but what are they saying,only ugly females can be strong role models!?!? Why can't we have beautiful role models!?!? I don't understand any of this. These are adult games,with adult themes,that adults SHOULD be able to handle & grasp. Females can be beautiful, I don't here shit about the beautiful buff men in games & movies. In the MCU I bet most,if not all females want to fuck Thor,but that's ok. What about Cpt America?? He's good looking,Frank Castle,for the girls who like bad boys. Come ON!! With this double standard bullshit. There are good looking bumpy men in just about every game,usually with tight clothes on,but that's ok. I've seen,& played Res Evil,& Leon is good looking & A few games was bumpy as Arnold & wore tight shirts. Kid's shouldn't be playing these games,& fuck them if they don't like beautiful women who aren't helpless,but strong,& independent. Lara Croft being the best example, & I'm talking real Tomb Raider, NOT the ResEvil/action/where's the tombs reboots. My era Lara. She set the standard, & she's sexy as hell,& can hold her own,intelligent, whitty,rich,independent, & kicks ass,& puts up with no shit . Women in the real world dress sexy too,for 2 reasons. It makes them feel good,& it grabs men's attention. I don't see the difference between A real woman,& A woman in A ADULT GAME. Princess Peach dresses like A princess,I don't get why she's even in this conversation . This whole new generation is A bunch of wack-a-dos who let their CHILDREN play ADULT themed games ,they shouldn't be playing in the 1st place. I meet more children online(I'm 50,I play nothing but adult games),than I do adults even close to my age . I have A group of friends I've had for years,& they're all teens,2 are 21,& only 1 is 50 like me . It's up to the parents to keep their CHILDREN out of ADULT games,NOT the game creators. This world has changed so much. SMH😑 You youngins wonder why us older folk long for days past..THIS SHIT IS WHY. The world made some kind of sense,it doesn't anymore. If A character was black,he stayed black,if he was Caucasian, he stayed that way. Females were allowed to be sexy,& not helpless,& THERE WERE ONLY 2 GENDERS.

If you make the characters ugly to force the audience to focus on the depth/personality(their inner beauty) of the characters. Fine(Great even, like Quasimodo)! But you're suppose to give those characters DEPTH First for it to work. Also if you think sex doesn't give you pleasure then you're asexual or never had sex/masturbated in your life.

@aokhoinguyenang3992

4 жыл бұрын

@Sub 2 Me 4 No Reason Having element of other genres(romance) flavoring your game(zombie-apocalypse) make the game less one note. BUT if you add too much salt, your dish will become inedible

@aokhoinguyenang3992

4 жыл бұрын

@Sub 2 Me 4 No Reason And I think they mistook shit for brown sugar in this case

@ElickFlash

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I'm tired of creators making Shallow characters that all they are is just gay and that's their entire character, and talking down to their audience over it. Look if you want to make a character Gay, Trans, or anything else under the sun, make it a part of them, don't focus on it, give them an actual character and treat your audience with respect. If you do that, you can basically write what ever you want, and people will praise you instead of hate you for it.

@AbleistSL

4 жыл бұрын

they acutally made cortana uglyer in halo 4.

@aokhoinguyenang3992

4 жыл бұрын

@@ElickFlash I liked Haku from Naruto because the focus was him being born as a living weapon(contrasting his gentle nature) in peace time thus had nowhere to go resulting him and Zabuza joining Gato's criminal organization and NOT on his Gayness

"I know that sounds pretentious, but that was my goal." Wow Neil.

Neil: these are sexualizing women Also Neil: **adds Abby sex scene**

@miller-joel

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that looked like sex between two men.

Why can't a pretty woman be a role model? Aren't role models supposed to make us strive to better ourselves?

@neonxraven99

4 жыл бұрын

Jealousy thats all

@birdbrain9625

4 жыл бұрын

What about Hedy Lamarr

@youvegotmail6297

4 жыл бұрын

The women in the last of us are beautiful , really don’t get why everyone’s saying they are unattractive. And even if they were that’s not the purpose of the character, just like a real life humans purpose is not to look good. There’s nothing wrong with sexy characters but if someone wants to make something more subtle suddenly they’re just pandering to an agenda? Everything has an agenda whether you know it or not. If anything I appreciate Neil for actually expressing his because most of the time you have no idea what message developers are trying to sneak into their games. You can disagree or agree love or hate it, but video games have had tons of sexualized female characters for a long time and again, that’s fine, but it’s also fine to make a game like this where characters feel more like someone you’d run into on the street. I seriously don’t get the uproar about it

@youvegotmail6297

4 жыл бұрын

UltraPlushie not trying to argue here but I don’t feel that from what he said, to me it feels like he’s just saying that when women turn to video games for representation, examples like quiet, chun li, cortana, etc. are all that they see(more accurately, they are the majority of female representation in games) because he made no comment on the characters personality does not mean he disregards it.That’s a logical fallacy , we can’t draw that conclusion based on information that isn’t there. What we can do is analyze what he did say, and to me it just seems like he who wants to depict a realistic female character that fits into the narrative and the world of that narrative. Whether that agenda is good or bad I’m not the judge of but this hate train is ridiculous and uninformed. And to acknowledge the last thing you said, a character being gay does not equal sexualizing them. Last time I checked, a kiss is not a sex act. And the problem is not with characters having a sexual side or “provocative attire.” Sexuality in itself is entirely natural, but in gaming and especially Japanese media there has been extreme objectification of women (bikini dlc suits for female warriors, 2B revealing outfit from nier automata and so much more that I can’t even list them all) there’s so much of this that even if developers flesh out a female character In the story the game still treats her as a commodity for the player to ogle at. This creates dissonance. There are women who are curvy , women who are thin and everything in between that, who all want to be represented as PEOPLE. That’s all it is. Neil is not saying stop making “attractive” women. It’s that gamers expect objectification, they expect sexiness and they expect their fantasies to be catered to. And of course they do because video games are an escape. However , Neil and the other hardworking individuals that worked to develop the last of us are artists just as any one else who makes a video game is, and secondary to being a product a game is an artistic expression. All art has a message or agenda whether it be implicit or explicit and the artist does not need to apologize for their vision. If you don’t like it by all means don’t support it. No one is blaming you In that. But don’t join this mindless hate train. Learn about it for yourself. Look at gamings history and see how far we’ve come with the last of us. It’s okay if you don’t agree with the politics but it’s unfortunate that the spoilers and gender debates are the focus of the discussion and not the actual damn gameplay

@mad-counter7393

4 жыл бұрын

Because they DON'T WANT you to strive to be better. This is explicitly shown in almost everything liberals SJWs do and say. They dumb everything down for all of the people they claim to be fighting for, forcing them into lives of mediocracy. That's true racism/sexism because in their eyes blackey can't compete with whitey so here's some affirmative action, women can't compete with men so here's so more handouts woman. Oh there's an attractive woman on that billboard? Tear it down so we don't make fat people feel bad about having a unhealthy and life threatening lifestyle. This mediocracy is reflected into the characters they create either visually or personaIity-wise and sometimes both. Look at Jill and Lara Croft who had iconic and instantly recognizable designs who are now two chicks in tank-tops and jeans. I don't know if it's extreme empathizing or pity that they're doing but it's condescending nonetheless.

Ah, yes, a 14 year old female character that isn’t sexualized. Congrats, Neil, you hit square one.

@thibaldus3

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't she make out with another girl (in an unecessary tacked on scene from the DLC)? Seems like his own pitiful fantasies. So he even failed that.

@alfredoperez9017

4 жыл бұрын

@@thibaldus3 did you even play the DLC or the base game?!

@Ryan-cs3uc

4 жыл бұрын

thibaldus3 now u guys are being dishonest and just assuming shit. I don’t agree with his politics but a brief scene where she kisses another girl (which shit like that happens in real life) isn’t really grounds to call him a pedo. It’s just a dumb reach that I’ve been seeing people use because they’re mad about TLOU2 and him in general. These type of off base accusations is why developers are afraid to take risks

@maxpaynegk

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-cs3uc This is something I'm not understanding myself. I'm not trying to be a smartass, but how is kissing, especially for a second or two, sexualizing a little girl? And as you said, it happens in real life. If people find it tacked on, that's fine, but I find accusing someone of sexualizing a little girl for that is a reach.

@thibaldus3

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-cs3uc No. We're calling him out on double standards. Neil Druckman considers that having a female character show even the slightest hint of attraction towards men "sexualisation", hence "misogynistic" and "problematic" for his main character. That's actually why he made Ellie gay as explained by him in clips. We're just holding him to his own standards.

“One of the coolest non sexual female protagonist” adds the most grotesque sex scene in gaming ever

Every time I hear Druckmann say, " I kind of know what I'm talking about..." it makes me want to slam my head under a toilet seat...repeatedly. Troy Bakers added BS just makes me sad :(

I know Anita is his muse but, even the verbiage sounds as she had written his whole speech herself?

@ssharp755

4 жыл бұрын

Activist NPC's tend to have a script that they can't deviate from.

@eggsnspam

4 жыл бұрын

@@ssharp755 True, they are usually not allowed to have any conversation with anyone whenever they do protests. They allowed themselves to become like sheep, who can't think for themselves, to be used as needed.

@HeilRay

4 жыл бұрын

S Sharp Or else...

@priestmorrison6564

4 жыл бұрын

sarkisian on the tongue

Different strokes for different folks. In this case The Last Of Us 2 is not for me. Period. My Wallet, My choice. Your choices have consequences. Deal with it.

@GamingGardeningAndLayingSiege

4 жыл бұрын

100% agreed.

@xenomorphphantom8991

4 жыл бұрын

They are NOT getting my money. They have no earned it.

@theradiantdehd3997

4 жыл бұрын

I mean hell, all that most of us are saying is that the leaks make the game look like it lacks any promise so we refuse to preorder it. IF it really IS a good game like they're claiming, (which is unlikely, hence their reactions,) then when reviews come out, and Let's Players start to play it, then a good amount of us would come around to it. BUT instead they're destroying ANY chance of that by slandering anyone who likes their company, and guilt tripping people for not pre-ordering it blindly.

@GamingGardeningAndLayingSiege

4 жыл бұрын

@@theradiantdehd3997 Agreed. I moved to the "wait and see, maybe get it when it's discounted" category of player. I'm sure the mechanics are great, and the visuals are rather polished, but I was a fan of the storytelling, and this... well... "wait and see".

@Dagger_323

4 жыл бұрын

@Gioco Royeca The leaker probably did not have access to the entire thing to be able to leak it. So that is a half-baked argument. Second, the game came out, and it sucked. The ending was meaningless and the entire story arc was littered with bad delivery, pacing issues, and extremely poor character development. So the leaks were a very solid indication of what the entire experience would be like. The rest of the story did absolutely nothing to redeem those leaks.

Typing Troy Baker into the search bar on youtube brings this up at least for me lmao.

"I wanted to make the first non sexualised great female protagonist." You made her a child Neil..

"Yeah, I watched all of Anita's videos." Welp, there goes any kind of credibility this dude may have had before that statement.

@adventurerealm63

4 жыл бұрын

And who’s that oh it’s mr MVP SIMPPPPP!!!

@anthonydefilippo8526

4 жыл бұрын

So you're saying to never watch anyone you disagree? Sounds like you need a safe space. You incel types are just as bad as SJWs.

@noahsylvester1754

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydefilippo8526 when the person you disagree with is a half witted jackass whose entire career is based on overwriting and discrediting things created by men, I don't see the problem of staying away from that person's delusions

@asain3586

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydefilippo8526 Anyone watching criminal like anita is a dumbasd

@noless

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydefilippo8526 I've seen her videos. There is nothing there of any value. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. Not even other feminists.

Niel: "Quiet and Ayane are bad role models." Gamers: "Makes sense. These two are hardened assassins that kill people." Niel: *Creates Ellie, who will viciously and graphically murder dozens of people in a month of so* Gamers: "...Oh, they're bad because he hates tits."

@John-X

4 жыл бұрын

He hates tits! That's it! He's a gaylord, I knew it! No fucking wonder, holy shit that explains SO MUCH.

@MaddBadgerr

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Abby?

@kyotheman69

4 жыл бұрын

@@MaddBadgerr does transgender really have tits though?

@blumbtumb7404

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t hate tits. I’m sure of it. But people he gets money from tell him what to hate

@invalidusername4011

4 жыл бұрын

@Reconsider your position No he/she just played druckmann's game of bad faith argument. Should I show Ellie as a role model to a 9 year old girl? Does an adult woman need a young teen girl as a role model? Druckmann is a self centered hypocrite. And double that because he trashed Japanese creators, knowingly they wouldn't give a crap about his little rant. He could have found an example of western "bad role model", but he wouldn't have dared. Easy to trash people far away who won't respond, ain't it? It's called scapegoating. Druckmann argument is a full blown gaslighting, silverblade357 just twisted it to put it in perspective more.

This is edited so well and it fits so well I thought he was talking about neil druckmann. Then I found out this dude was joels voice actor.... How ironic can you get.

*And I know that sounds pretentions, but that was my goal*. That is exactly the problem. Yes, it is VERY pretentious to believe that you're doing something revolutionary just because you're writing a character with no direct "sexyness". I'm starting to clearly understand why so many writers left Naughty Dog; they probably could not bear with Neil's antics.

Troy needs to spend more time worrying about his surf hair.

@theradiantdehd3997

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like he's trying to become Jonny Bravo, but sun burned when he tried to tan, lost his sunglasses, and hasn't been shown how to bleach his hair by his other pretentious surfer buddies yet.

@TheRibbonRed

4 жыл бұрын

@@theradiantdehd3997 except that Johnny Bravo at least _knows_ what he's bullshitting about. This "Soy" Baker? Tries to pretend like he knows psychology & game design when he's just a voice actor who has openly shown his poor choice of games to work with (Death Stranding, MGSV, & this). If Soy Baker were worth any salt, he would've protested about how his character were treated back in MGSV. He would've protested where Death Stranding was going. But no, he shilled for all those as "something you gotta buy & experience". The guy couldn't give the least amount of shit on video games if they weren't paying him enough.

@jiin6

4 жыл бұрын

that hairstyle looks done up by a hair dresser, is his area not affected by lockdown?

@starrynight5633

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like a paintbrush

@WolvesOfValhalla

4 жыл бұрын

Hey. Hes beautiful. xD

Bruh his haircut says it all. He's sitting on the fence and doing hella damage control. And in a way gaslighting us into questioning what we think about the game as tho we dont know what's really going on. I like how he caught himself in the "man....or girl, I dont mean it in a gender specific way" Almost like he personally has been told or thinks the complainers are men, but deep down knows that's not true. Otherwise you wouldn't care to correct yourself. Maybe I'm reaching, but got damn that hair screams orange man bad, whamens are queens

@faerora

4 жыл бұрын

@@NiclasLoof but hipsters are gay, sooooooo good to know I wasn't off lmao

@faerora

4 жыл бұрын

@@NiclasLoof exactly

@Doomseer

4 жыл бұрын

@@faerora Come on not all hipsters are gay... Just most of them lol 😂

@thepayne7862

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like a stock photo of a hipster.

@nkw1985

4 жыл бұрын

@@faerora - Isn't the soy boy that plays Nintendo Switch while his wife and her boyfriend have sex based on hipsters? I mean every hipster i've seen is either gay or at least hold gay opinions so your assumptions seem pretty accurate from my experience.

“Please miss Anita, I’m not like those other guys”

@fcukausername

4 жыл бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname77777 "but first in order to prove you really want me, you have to record me with another man."

I refuse to get lectured by someone with that hair.

@PrestonCormack

4 жыл бұрын

This comment can be applied to just about any SJW, which is why it's so hilarious.

@quicklittlesnail1616

4 жыл бұрын

Says the guy with flowing purple hair

@moby7384

4 жыл бұрын

Quick little snail your probably the type of person who thinks that people with a truck as their icon is a transformer

@Tree_-wp5zn

4 жыл бұрын

@@moby7384 he most likely meant it as a joke, mate.

@moby7384

4 жыл бұрын

C m so did I, mate

This game doesn’t look like art it looks like lazy, cynical propaganda doubt Troy even cared enough to do research into why people are bashing this

@TheNSJaws

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say he's being deliberately disingenuous

@TheNSJaws

4 жыл бұрын

@Press R He doesn't usually meddle with politics publicly, I assume that's the reason.

@someoneofsomething

4 жыл бұрын

Pandering to a *W I D E R* audience is MISOGYNISTIC. I'm definitely not gonna lose money when I go woke and pander to *m i n o r i t i e s .*

@TRIXTER95

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is that it's gonna sell, and people will get disappointed by the story.

@theheavenlyfb4071

4 жыл бұрын

Course he's gonna defend it, cause when people shit on it the way they have and everyone says it looks like shit then it brings all the crunch time people were forced into at ND into question.

Why males that "respect woman" think that woman don't like sexy woman? I like Bayonetta and I like Hat kid, not all characters look the same and not all are sexualized, what is the problem with sexy woman, still don't get it.

@TheEmperorHyperion

4 жыл бұрын

They want to get into the pants of these frumpy-looking harpies. That's why.

@polverine7491

4 жыл бұрын

They are jealous that they are more attractive than them

@nullvalue9901

4 жыл бұрын

Ugly insecure people, pretty people in general bother insecure people because it remindes them of their shortcomings

@scenemaker864

4 жыл бұрын

They offend the feelings of the unattractive

@SeductionUnleashed

4 жыл бұрын

They want to make women masculine and men feminine so we're easier to control. It's already happening, American women are masculine as hell. And it's become so normal they don't even see how. Same with the men. Super emotional and feminine. Just look how lispy and feminine sounding the real Joel sounds like in real life compared to his video game counter part.

This made me laugh, perfectly cut together.

Troy, your hair style is dumb, choose another in the character creation screen. That is all. Peace.

Troy, you can't have that haircut and get me to take anything that you say seriously. They say that you can't judge a book by it's cover, but the older I get the more I find that to be untrue. Troy and Neil look exactly like the type of dudes that would hang out at a bar in their hometown and talk down to you because they lived in L.A for a few years.

@maxhowlett9661

4 жыл бұрын

Neil most definitely, Troy not so much. Sure Troy tries to make everything he's asked into some philosophical babble, but his overall message is always good and clear. Neil however, eesh. As for the hair, this is pretty safe for him considering some of the stuff he's had in the past

@rhetiq9989

4 жыл бұрын

Admittedly Troy’s words about ppl destroying others’ art is true in a general sense, but here he’s just trying to defend his own work and Druckmann and ND’s which are littered with stuff that are actually worth criticizing and even torn down especially in light of TLOU 2’s release. The context is different this time around and I don’t think he gets the overall picture of it, or at least wants to admit it.

@AwezomeAmber

4 жыл бұрын

As someone who has been lucky enough to meet troy multiple times, this is very untrue. He genuinely cares about the folks he meets and you can tell. Hes not just pretending to be nice, he sat down with me and a friend for nearly an hour and just listened to our stories and gave us some really good advice while making complete eye contact the whole time. He just sat down right next to us. And the second time i met him he remembered my name. Which considering how many people he meets thats somewhat of a big deal. But yea, i honestly am not sure about neil. He’s frustrated me lately especially now that the game is out. He pretty much used fake gameplay to sell the game. (The scene where it’s supposed to be joel greeting ellie but its just jessie) so i can understand why folks are upset. I hope you dont take this as me arguing cause im really not, just felt i should stick up for someone who means alot to me. Anyway, hope you have a good day and sorry for the long response 😅

@zepholiar

4 жыл бұрын

ad hominem moment

@bruhwhy2617

4 жыл бұрын

@Jules Winnfield I need clarification to whether you speak of Troy or Neil. If Neil, you are correct in the fact that he is lying to the fans of TLOU. For Troy, you're blaming the wrong person.

The last time we saw a video game character savagely beaten to death with a golf club, his last words were to insult the killer by telling him he wasn't worthy of being called a man ("A man chooses. A slave obeys. Obey!"). I'd do the same for the game devs here but they'd probably take "Not worthy of being called a man" as a compliment...

@scenemaker864

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically enough, Baker was in Bioshock (Inf.). Sad how low he sunk

The first installment of The Last of Us was great, but I think it's clear Neil Druckmann was overwhelmed by the widespread acclaim and must have been under a lot of pressure when creating TLOU2. That's the only way I can justify the blatant SJW propaganda that penetrated the sequel. You don't need to have ripped, perpetually angry & trans bisexual women to accurately portray women. Tess was a great example of a female character done right. Also what is it nowadays about everyone wanting to be represented in every single thing? I don't need to have characters that share my gender identity, sexuality, age, nationality, and beliefs to be able to relate to them.

For someone who seems to have such a problem with how other games portrayed female characters, Troy Baker sure didn't have any problems when it came to cashing in his check for doing voicework in most of those games.

0:11 Cuckmann sounds like he is on the verge of tears.

@datpixiegirl1920

4 жыл бұрын

His entire "speech" makes me - a strong, independent woman who grew up with those "weak, oversexualized role models" and wouldn't change a thing - either want to vomit or slap him. Or both.

@SallinKari

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, of course he was... He was trying to remember the last time he had balls but it was just so long ago he can't remember what it was like but there was this overwhelming sense of loss associated with it.

@johnmc6155

4 жыл бұрын

Yes srj b/c Anita is in the audience and Cuckman is reading for her. What a SIMP.

@srj34

4 жыл бұрын

0:21 "I don't like what I see"...help me out here, Karen - is it morally wrong that sexually appealing characters exist? When Channing Tatum is Magic Mike, are women supposed to be outraged at the objectification? And here's another problem with the whole SEXY BAD meme you people have - sexy women can also be formidable. As in, women can have hot bodies and powerful minds AT THE SAME TIME. And, believe it or not, we on the Ist-Ism-Phobe side of the fandom admire women who aren't hot but are wonderful in other ways. Ayn Rand was a powerhouse. Margaret Thatcher was an ass-kicker. You idiots think the only women we pay any attention to are strippers or cheerleaders. Fuck you sideways.

@Gomezli16

4 жыл бұрын

He just believes in his cause so much... emotion is power!!

Gotta love that pretentious virtue signaling speech Troy was giving: "I just don't get it man! You 2nd tier humans are so weird! I'm just so above you now that I don't understand! Please buy my game!"

@ravendarklawgaming197

4 жыл бұрын

Never liked him. Everything you just said has always been my opinion of him. Very pretentious and thinks he's hot shit. Never liked any of his voice work either, except Joker in Arkham Origins, and that was just him aping Hamill.

@yurichtube1162

4 жыл бұрын

@@ravendarklawgaming197 dude, Troy Baker is awesome. He is probably only saying it to save the game, because he worked hard for it.

@GamerConnoisseurRei

4 жыл бұрын

How dare you subhuman not buying this game

@anthony_stuff

4 жыл бұрын

@@ravendarklawgaming197 I don't think he is pretentious. He is just very confident in what he is saying. You think he is hot shit, I highly doubt he thinks of himself in that way.

@mallum4

4 жыл бұрын

You make it sound as he was trying to belittle others who think a certain way but that's not what's happening

Glad they leaked the game saved me $60

Baker not understanding why people who's seemingly sole purpose is to ruin art ? Oh, please, Troy - you were a part of Silent Hill HD Collection and you knew people are going to "absolutely rail" you for it.

So sexy people are offensive?

@corysugawa360

4 жыл бұрын

Only to the SJW's

@Kasparth

4 жыл бұрын

Sexy women*

@4evah21

4 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-gq8io I swear

@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

4 жыл бұрын

Kw grimlin, sexy women are only offensive to SJW normies.

@alligator4117

4 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-gq8io Cyberpunk is heading in the exact same direction as TLoU2.

God I used to really like Troy, but my opinions on him are changing for the worse really quickly.

@Superluigi881

4 жыл бұрын

Never get to know your heroes. It almost always ends in disappointment.

@StarAllKungfu

4 жыл бұрын

All it took was me seeing his haircut. Dear god, Dear god.

@hagoromootsutski9058

4 жыл бұрын

@@Superluigi881 Preach man. From my experience, this has always been the case for me. Troy Baker is the most recent person who's disappointed me and fell lower in my eyes. I guess that's what you get, looking up to someone, admiring them and then ending up expecting something from them more than you should.

@gonaddabarbarian

4 жыл бұрын

that club to Joel's dome hit so hard it mashed up the voice actors mind as well.

@blablabla9401

4 жыл бұрын

just watch the last Retro Replays with Nolan North. They played TLOU 1. In the last episodes Troy was a literal douche to Nolan. Just check it out.

While maybe there SOME trolls who just want to bash on the game for the sake of a laugh, it doesn't somehow invalidate the millions of people who were put off by what was revealed in the gameplay leak. The fact that they try to pass off everybody dissing the game for its terrible writing as "trolls" only shows that Naughty Dog and its supporters have no counterargument, they can't come up with any reasonable defense for Abby getting a Joel in one beyond "He did bad things!" which is far from a satisfactory point. Nor can anybody even make a convincing argument for why Abby looks like a roided out shaved gorilla.

What blows my mind is hundreds of people spent 7 years of their "fleeting life" making this cow dung.

Druckman is literally stating that being sexy is sexist.

@linds0533

4 жыл бұрын

Well, no. The "women" in Neil's presentation are unnaturally proportioned and no real woman could ever look like that without plastic surgery. That's what is sexist. All Neil is saying is he wants women that look more realistic to have a place in video games.

@acheron9515

4 жыл бұрын

@@linds0533 why is that sexist who fucking cares.... you sound jealous or something

@noless

4 жыл бұрын

@@linds0533 No they're not? There are lots of women with those body types. I had a girlfriend a few years ago with Cortana's body. Except her breasts were even larger and she was definitely all natural. Why do video game characters have to look "realistic" anyway when they are fictional characters who can do things that no real person can do? I don't understand this need for average looking characters. There already are many non sexualised female characters in video games. Even going back decades. It's not like it's something new. Most of this complaining seems to come from people who aren't really that interested in video games anyway

@MisterGoofy

4 жыл бұрын

@@linds0533 yeah like Abby really realistic indeed... Shut up

@waled7rocky

4 жыл бұрын

@@MisterGoofy you really never seen a buffed up woman in your life before ?? Shit there's a lot that you haven't seen yet it seems ...

non-sexualized female protagonist" As long as Rule 34 is a thing, that will never happen.

@NRG56

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao thank God for rule 34

@69johndz

4 жыл бұрын

What's the first thing most Skyrim and Fallout players do when they learn to mod for the first time?...make all the female characters hotter and naked. 🤣 What does that tell you?

@Ricky911_

4 жыл бұрын

Fr. Within half an hour of the Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart announcement, people had already made sexualised art about the new female Lombax and Insomniac was fine with it as well lol. Seems like Insomniac still has some sanity unlike Naughty Dog

@yanmagno3

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair that’s the fans who are sexualizing in that case, not the developers

@MrLaserPony

3 жыл бұрын

Yay for internet

"I want to creat the coolest , non sexualized female video game protagonist" Abby: Nanomachine , son!!!

“I don’t get you man?” Is the tag line of every soy boy southern Californian

Every time Neil Druckmann opens his mouth, a kitten is set on fire.

@roneherushin4638

4 жыл бұрын

That explains why I was so put off by his speech. Those poor kittens.

@hydradominatus3661

4 жыл бұрын

And every time he finishes a sentence, a puppy is kicked

@Demial_Sparda

4 жыл бұрын

Does Neil is lisping? Makes me want to scratch my throat... inside. Gosh, brrrrrr.

Funny enough, people didn't care about the appearances of the characters that Neil cherrypicked for his talk. -Quiet is an assassin capable of killing hordes of soldiers with a sniper rifle, a knife and/or her bear hands if needed. -Cortana, an A.i. that in addition to being the brains and an intelligence agent, is also the human side to her partner in arms. -Ayane, is a really high skilled ninja whose powers and abilities can overcome any obstacle on her way, and while being cunning, fearless and sharp, she also has a soft and emotional side, only visible in a few situations. Mr. Cuckman, you depend too much on the looks instead on looking on what really matters in storytelling: Strong content of character!

@diegosilang4823

4 жыл бұрын

Woke white dude have problem with Japanese game designer designing female character. That's RACIST.

@InfernosReaper

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, Ayane is more capable than the dude she calls her boss. I can't think of a better role model than that, by the very standards feminists have established about strong female characters.

@MrShhmeh

4 жыл бұрын

plus when you first see quiet she's in military gear until she's set alight. Theres a reason she is dressed like she is later on in the story not "just cos". He can seriously go druck himself

@aquapendulum

4 жыл бұрын

In the supplementary materials, Cortana was the only mother figure that Master Chief ever had. Can you imagine how the Chief would look at Cortana as a child soldier being abducted from his birth family, forced to take genetic modifications and train rigorously and this AI who appears in the form of a 30-something woman is always by his side, guiding him every steps of the way? She is supposed to be the protagonist's mother figure, and yet through Druckmann's eyes, Cortana is nothing more than a sex object.

@DarkFireFox064

4 жыл бұрын

​@@aquapendulum I know right? She even says to Chief at one time in Halo 4: "Before this is all over... Promise me you'll figure out which one of us is the machine." That was an incredible moment showing how Cortana supported Chief in the things that he lacked because of the hardships that he had to go through his entire life. And when the ending of Halo 4 came... I actually shed tears for Cortana, because she was a complex and well written character.

Kinda every girl i've talked to, that play games, said that they enjoy and have a lot of fun playing as Lara Croft, Bayonetta, Jill Valentine, etc. Like (and for most of the comments i've seen here coming from women) they make them feel good, some said that they see those characters as a role model even. And this is also for men. Like, as man, i freaking enjoy playing as Nathan Drake, Leon Kennedy or as Dante from DMC, it makes me feel good, it makes me feel well, it makes me feel great. Like i wanna be like that! My role model.

I wish he would take a moment to actually look into the whole situation and not just what i am assuming naughty dog and sony told him happened. I get he would probably still defend something he worked for hours on doing voice work cuz that shit aint easy but it still blows my mind the state of decay that the entire entertainment industry is in. Games movies tv shows and books are both for escaping our day to day but is also supposed to challenge us. Challenge our view of the world not just cram agendas down out throats. They basically are just saying we will keep doing it because you morons will keep buying it. Smh. Fuckin sucks.

And you wonder why the common trend is to tell celebrities they're out of touch.

@jaggedcut8603

4 жыл бұрын

Troy Baker is NOT a celebrity! He's a shit voice actor who uses only 2 voices in his work. Voice 1: Man with southern accent. Voice 2: Man without southern accent.

@drfifteenmd7561

4 жыл бұрын

Most celebrities have been famous for quite awhile so that's why

@DrakesdenChannel

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaggedcut8603 Voice actor in 5 languages here. I don't think a voice actor's quality is measured by how extensive their range is. I think Troy is a good voice actor but definitely overcast.

@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaggedcut8603 Jeez calm down, also don't disrespect voice actors like that

@therobloxhotman1040

4 жыл бұрын

JAGGEDcut i mean its not just his voice he does all the mocap... and he doesnt sound southern at all in uncharted 4. so your statement is just untrue

I'm so depressed to see Troy Baker fall like this, I really liked him

@davidd4696

4 жыл бұрын

stop latching onto people you don't know, & you'll never be disappointed.

@scenemaker864

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidd4696 You aint wrong. Second great gaming figure I was disappointed by.

@cluner24

4 жыл бұрын

@@scenemaker864 who's your first

@astraldirectrix

4 жыл бұрын

David D Words to live by, man.

Troy's haircut is listed as a war crime by the Geneva Conventions

Naughty dog has this guys paycheck as a hostage

Man, it's like if people don't care because 1. These are fictional characters. 2. This "objectifying", of *fictional* characters, goes both ways, Gladiolus from FF XV default custome doesn't even have a jacket, Kratos goes shirtless at the start of a game, Dante from DMC goes shirtless, only wearing a jacket, goes shirtless as well. Jesus, they hypocrisy hurts

@kristiyangrigorov5232

4 жыл бұрын

In every game men are sexualised too lol. Idk whats the problem with a female char. Every male character looks like a Chad lol

@NormanReaddis

4 жыл бұрын

that's equality my friend even male gaze is normal on the shows like ellen and they don't get called for it let's face it even in the feminazi world whamen are the most privileged because of chivalry , they're hypocrites if they're saying it's non existent or they don't want it to exist

@6Kubik

4 жыл бұрын

Actually there is a difference people do not notice. While it is true that male characters are often shirtless, there is mostly never a camera that is focused on their body. Best example are Gladio and Quite. Gladio is just shirtless and no one cares, But in MGS5, the camera is often focussed on Quites tits, ass or even puts her in a silly shower scene. Another example is Tifa in RE7. She wears a sexy outfit and has large breast. But like Gladio, she is not an object. So, its not just about the outfit but about the way the character is presented. But I dont even think those NPC understand that. They just want to erase every naked skin. As if we live in the middle age were it was a scandal when someone saw your naked leg. And making females look like duded in TLOU2 and reduce their breast is sexist too. As if women are not allowed to have tits anymore.

Troy! Stop simping for The Last of Us 2.

@rotaxhippie

4 жыл бұрын

His paycheck is tied to it. He'll have his hands interlocked in the next video Begging Pt. 2

I feel bad for Troy, he's really passionate about his work and he gives it everything he's got. I still hope LoU2 turns out okay but I'm not holding my breath. Aftermath: played the game, first half is okay. Playing as ellie. Dina is cringy. The game is about revenge but more important than this is the lesbian romance and body acceptance and new female buff character to replace the privileged white males in the game. 5 out of 10, as I enjoyed first half of the game. Will sell my copy. Has a little something for everyone. Neil Druckman is scum.

@kanyuphilmahar

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if okay is the word but it could have been worse

I feel like all 3 of these people are already crazy and hear lots of voices ...

Remember guys, "keep an open mind"

@supernazighost1749

4 жыл бұрын

No. I don't think I will.

@_b001

4 жыл бұрын

Keep your minds open, keep your wallets closed

@SnizelOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, just keep it open long enough so that your brain could slip out.

I cannot...understand....someone who would INTENTIONALLY....do that to their hair... Also, whenever someone says "so I kinda understand (or know) what I'm talking about," they do not.

@Furanao

4 жыл бұрын

I kinda understand what you're talking about.

@GamingGardeningAndLayingSiege

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael '1st round exit' Jordan That was obvious from the first game, but only from the DLC, and nobody cares about that.

@someoneofsomething

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael '1st round exit' Jordan Are we seeing the same comment?

@shrekspacito6944

4 жыл бұрын

Josuke: dafuk yo?

@someoneofsomething

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael '1st round exit' Jordan Nah, you're probably just delusional

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried sending this to Troy on Twitter or something(I don't have Twitter). I doubt he'd see the irony of what he said in this video and working for and with people like Anita and Niel but a guy can dream some people can get their head out of their ass.

Imagine being offended by a sexy fictional female character Crazy, right?

@maxwellase8027

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine being intimidated by an 80's Marvel comic book character.. These guys are crazy..