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If you already have trolleybuses, it is mad to rip them out. Great to hear cities investing in their systems.

@mangotail6808

Ай бұрын

I,m also glad they changed their minds. Originally Tallinn wanted to remove trolleys all together, starting with trolley lines 2 and 9.

nice to have some really sensible decision making and positive press for Tallinn, trolleybuses are not quite trams but they've proven to have their place

@wteff8586

3 ай бұрын

I especially loved when he said there's potential for trams in the future. That's so sensible but hardly any city is seriously considering to build a tram network that's more than a fashionable gimmick. Tallinn seems to be doing something right there

@intervrt

3 ай бұрын

@@wteff8586 TBH Tallinn's current old harbour tram line project is a little questionable since it's only a minor improvement that doesn't really improve the system's reach, but then again they've confirmed a new tramway construction to one of the most dense areas and another one towards an important future transport hub, so the future is looking bright

@josephhughes1498

3 ай бұрын

As someone from the UK it feels like Tallinn & Estonia only get positive press to the point where many of us would much prefer to live there than the UK haha

10:58 "... politicians in Tallinn they are wise enough not to look at fashionable trends and look into detail what works and doesn't work to benefit the citizens... "

It's rare to see direct feedback from the city directly, well done!

I love how these modern trolleybuses can detachfrom the wire!

Moscow: We've the biggest Trolleybus network in the world? Yeah, close it! 😁🔨

@warmike

3 ай бұрын

As a citizen of Saint-Petersburg, I am envious of Moscow's railway system (FFS, we've been building a single metro station for almost a decade and it's still nowhere near completion, while Moscow completed like a hundred of kilometres of metro and train lines in that time), but I think in terms of ground transportation Saint-Petersburg is actually better as Moscow removed trolleybuses and as a result had to cut a lot of bus routes as well, and its trams are also very problematic.

As its been a bit more than 10 years since I visited Tallinn, one thing I came away during my short visit, was how hard -working the people, including politicians worked for the country and the common good of the people. Even when decisions can be painful in the short- or medium-term. If that spirit still exists, I'm very hopeful this will turn out 👍🏻! I wish them the best of luck.

double articulated trolley busses certainly are a great step towards converting main lines into trams

8:48 The fact that trolley bus passenger volumes fit in between bus and trams. And that trolley buses allow for the transition from buses to trams as future public transportation needs grow.

@qjtvaddict

Ай бұрын

No need for trams just build metro 🚇

As a regular user of Tallinn #3 Trolleybus to go from home to University, I can tell you that it only makes sense to invest in Trolleybuses. As an electrical engineer, I can tell you it makes very little sense to invest in electric buses over trolleys...

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Oh, that's great! Could you, as an electrical engineer, tell us more detailed why trolleybuses are better than e-buses?

@vulc1

3 ай бұрын

​@@cityforall Batteries are a huge burden for the environment.

@Hepad_

3 ай бұрын

​@@cityforall Nothing beats the energy efficiency of the electrical traction chain. All thermic motors lose efficiency through heat and noise. If you can manage to power a motor without the presence of a low energy-density and high-mass power generator (a battery), you get the most efficient means of transportation : a train. When you are looking into energy efficiency, you basically want to strive towards having trains everywhere you can. Of course, you can't have trains everywhere, so then you do what engineers do best, you choose the next best solution that fits your criteria as best as possible. Trolleybuses are vastly superior to e-buses in that regard.

@realhawaii5o

3 ай бұрын

Oh, people beat me to it 🥲 That's pretty much it actually 😅 What they already said

@times4937

3 ай бұрын

What do you think about powering electric buses with hydrogen cells?

As a Vilnius citizen, I’m jelly, also super weird seeing trolleybuses in Tallinn whizzing around at such speeds. Cudos

@ligametis

3 ай бұрын

For me Riga is stranger. They have old trolleybus/bus hybrid. Nowadays it is a trend to get rid of electric wires in historical districts, meanwhile in Riga it is opposite. They have no wire in suburbs so trolleys turn on their diesel engines.

@Kabaniko-san

2 ай бұрын

Да у Європі тролейбуси не їздять а прям носяться як бджолою вжалені.

In 1999 I was in Tallinn I really enjoyed travelling on the old trolley buses so it is good to see that they kept them. I did buy a ticket but none of the machines on the buses worked so you couldn’t use the ticket anyway.

Very nice! These double bendy busses are becoming more and more popular in various cities. It's great for Tallinn. I usually am not really interested in buses, but the long ones that almost look like trams have caught my eye and sparked my interest. There are some Van Hool 24m double bendies with a tram look and Alstom charging system that are being delivered for the proper BRT busway line Tzen4 in Paris suburbs. Maybe you can try talking to Paris' IDFM and SGP (former Société du Grand Paris, now Société des Grands Projets), they seem quite open to communicate with and welcome youtubers in the urban transit field. They've invited Reece from RMTransit to visit the building sites of the Grand Paris Express recently. I'll be sure to drop them a line about getting in touch with you. They've done a great job communicating with La Fabrique du Métro and the expo in the Trocadero, but their KZread presence is too simple. So, they should continue to include specialized youtubers more and more. Great video, as always.

Oh! So great you included Grigori Parfjonov's insight. Thank you for this video 🙌

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I plan to make more videos like this in the future.

In Hamilton, ON (Canada) they took the opposite approach. They did what was "fashionable". The company's own study showed the trolleybus was cheaper to operate than a CNG or diesel bus...so they ignored the result. A trial of CNG buses was a disaster...they were worse than diesels...so they ignored that result and ordered a fleet of CNG buses which they scrapped after only a few years (5-6). When you're WASTING TAX DOLLARS there is no limit to what you might try.

keep doing this extended videos about one news i really like this type of videos the weekly news one don't give enough time to each story.

Great video, keep up the good work! 😊

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Same to you!

When I first time saw trolleybus with out its "horns" connected to the lines and moving, I thought I was loosing my mind and have to start drinking again. The horror, THE HORROR!

Excellent news and great to see videos with such positive and informing content. I also appreciate that the engineer was willing to communicate with the specialized media :)

As someone else mentioned Portugal here are some updates from Lisbon, most of which coming from Metro (Metropolitano de Lisboa): Earlier this month Metro launched the public tender for the construction of the Violet Line, a new light rail line serving towns in northern Lisbon with an interchange with the heavy metro. It is also currently studying two new light rail lines along Lisbon's river front: LIOS Ocidental and LIOS Oriental. And this week the Metro was also delegated to study an extension of Metro Sul do Tejo (light rail system South of the river) into the popular seaside area of Costa da Caparica (much needed and long requested). Also this week the Court of Auditors aproved the contract for the construction of the extension of the Red Line into Alcântara where it will interchange with suburban rail and the future light rail LIOS Ocidental. There have also been progress in the tunneling of the new extension of the Yellow/Green Line that will turn them into a circular line (very controversial). This year the Metro is also expecting the delivery of the first of 14 new EMUs ordered from Stadler, part of a modernization program which includes installing CBTC on all lines and existing rolling stock. There is a news section and lots of info on the Portuguese version of the Metro's website, but sadly the English version is lacking this. Unrelated to Metro, this month Lisbon has also opened a new funicular, Funicular da Graça.

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

That sounds like an urban news! Thanks 😊

@f.g.9466

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforall hopefully something will add to the next episode 😁

@skurinski

29 күн бұрын

what about Porto

@skurinski

29 күн бұрын

what about Porto?

@f.g.9466

29 күн бұрын

@@skurinski Porto is not Lisbon, it's a different city 🙂

Just to say that I really enjoy your videos, you make really good videos. I hope that one day you make one about some project/news in Portugal, we unfortunately are a very car brain place...

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! Actually I keep my eyes on Portugal too.

@JamesBond-ko7ky

3 ай бұрын

@cityforall Theres a very interesting metro extension in Porto, the Rubi line or Line H. That will have a new metro and pedestrian bridge and connect to the Line D and future high speed rail station in Gaia. It would made a nice video.

@f.g.9466

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforall just last week Lisbon opened a new funicular (Funicular da Graça) and Lisbon Metro launched the public tender for the construction of the new Violet Line, a light rail line serving towns in the northern part of Lisbon with an interchange to the (heavy) metro. Lisbon Metro (Metropolitano de Lisboa) is also currently studying two light rail lines along the river front (LIOS Ocidental & LIOS Oriental), and just this week it was appointed by the government to study an extension of Metro Sul do Tejo (the light rail system south of the river) to the popular seaside area of Costa da Caparica. Also this week the Court of Auditors approved the contract signed for the construction of the new extension of the Red Line of the metro to Alcântara, where it will connect to suburban rail and the future LIOS Ocidental light rail. There's also been great progress in the tunneling works of the new (and very controversial) extension of the Yellow Line that will transform it into a circular line. This year we're also awaiting the delivery of the first of 14 new EMUs ordered from Stadler as part of a modernization plan that includes installing CBTC on all lines and existing rolling stock. Apart from the funicular, there's info about these news and projects in the Portuguese version of the Metro website, but sadly the English version is lacking the news.

To be honest - trolleybuses doesn't look to be a optimal solution. The merge the main diasvantages of tramways and buses. They dosen't have the advntages of trams (smooth ride, possibility to create green tracks etc.) and still there's a need to build an esxpensive infrastructure (copmared to buses). The only advantage is that they're electric. But today a better solution are battery powered electric buses. In Poland there are only 3 remaining trolleybus networks (in Gdynia, Tychy and Lublin cities). But yes - I think there can be one big advantage of trolleybuses in the northern countries - they are more resiliant to low temperatures. As we know - low temperatures are a huge problem for batteries. Constant power supply via electric traction above the street can solve this issue.

@solarissv777

Ай бұрын

Well, batteries are expensive, they tend to degrade and are a fire hazard. The smaller they are - the better. Also BE busses take a long time to recharge.

You should talk about BRT system in Bogota, Colombia is probably the biggest in his type in the world.

They should build own trolleybusses Lanes. And priority at traffic lights (Green wave) to make them faster.

This was great!

@pleaseinsertacoin

3 ай бұрын

(Good video format, great choice of topic, nice job getting someone on video chat!)

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I've already scheduled the next such conversation.

They’ve already closed and dismantled 3 lines and replaced with busses 2 lines. Only 4 lines out of 9 remain. They slowly try to dismantle the trolley system despite public resistance. These battery busses are the next step to dismantle the heart of the system in the city centre. While trolleys are much more green than batteries or busses… If there is one area of Tallinn that is corrupt and making odd choices, it the transport department.

At 6:20 is shown how road changes were making without changes with trolleybus wires. And tell, that trolleybus is on crossing slow... Maybe on wires with USSR standard, not with present components.

Good decision to keep and expand the Trolleybus system . I was mad when my city tore down our system in profit of noisy -stinky diesel busses… Greetings from Basel Switzerland

I wonder how the poles reconnect to the wires after running on batteries for a few blocks through the city core. Does the driver need to exit the bus, raise and align the poles to each wire like they do in Vancouver Canada if a pole jumps off the wire?

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

You can find the answer in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4RttcGThLvZlbA.htmlsi=DOtdQWqjPu9fxfTY

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Short answer - it's done automatically

@Meg_A_Byte

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforall I've actually never seen automatic reconnection. While I was in Uni, I often took a trolleybus to suburbs and there the driver had to step outside and raise and align both of the pantographs to their wires. To be fair I didn't mind too much, it was fun to watch :)

best of both worlds. that is how it is ought to be. the thing that is still missing is a bus that can recharge during driving using a tram line. Are there products like this on the market?

@solarissv777

Ай бұрын

What would be really interesting to see is a bus with a tram-like pantograph and a set of small deployable wheels to charge from the tram network. Although, usage of busses like this would be extremely situational

@MusikCassette

Ай бұрын

@@solarissv777 that was what I was talking about. I don't think, that the usage is niche. At last not a small one. There are quite a lot of Citys, that have a tram System. They still have bus service and do need it. In the city where I live some of the buses have some overlap with some tram lines. This product would give the option of a gradual transition towards an electric Batterie Trolly system. you just circle in some of those tramtrlolly bus hybrds within your normal replacement of buses without having to install any infrastructure. When you have enough of those, you add overhead lines to increase their usefullnes.

@solarissv777

Ай бұрын

@@MusikCassette the main problem I see here is if the tram network gonna be their main source of charge, many mo routes will be diverted through it and they start interfering with actual trams

@MusikCassette

Ай бұрын

@@solarissv777 you can cycle a vehicle through different routes. the bus could f.e. alternate between an actual tram route and a pure bus route. but at the point you describe, you should already be adding overhead cable

and here we are with electric buses, now need to wait for the trolleybuses

Крутые у вас троллейбусы!

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I hate that my country New Zealand removed trolley buses from its Capital city Wellington.

A few decades ago London had a trolleybus network that numbered some 1,811 vehicles. Had the politicians had a crystal ball, they would not have removed the system and had a greener benefit today.

I'm so glad to see that Tallinn is doing this!

Is public transportation still free to riders in Tallinn? Somewhere I read they were proposing to end their free rider program.

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it's still free, I've asked about it too.

@mratp123

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforallit's free for citizens, not free for everyone:) but as the power was just changed in the city hall (the central party was thrown out), we will see what future brings us. The parties in power now stand against free pt in Tallinn:/

@notransfat1

3 ай бұрын

@@mratp123 @cityforall Do you know how their public transportation system is funded?

@lroke2947

3 ай бұрын

@@mratp123 Ugh, free for town residents whose taxes pay for it. But the future will be interesting indeed. I sorta predict that the next elections will restore the status quo, it's only a matter how many irreversible changes the interim city government will manage to make.

@vulc1

3 ай бұрын

@@lroke2947 Interesting bc I am projecting that the streets of Tallinn will be soon crowded with cargo bikes and the need for free public transportation will dissipate

5:05 "start operating those sections without wires we can operate those sections as fast as a normal electric bus but with the reliability of a trolley bus"

Mostly great news ... OMG "18 standart" at 1:04 = this must come from the word "Standarte" instead of "standard" (the German GEZ-TV "ZDF" did the same mistake)

This video gave hope that the city government finally started to take PT seriously... Sadly, it has been since announced that all trolley bus lines will be closed. Over 100 drivers are losing their jobs. Trolleybuses will be replaced with battery-powered buses. Yeah...

3:22 " IMC (In Motion Technology) has appeared which is basically battery powered trolley bus ... charging while operating which is very important"

The notion of bigger is better in public transport is ridiculous and completely wrong

@cityforall

2 ай бұрын

What is right then?

@bergonius

2 ай бұрын

@cityforall prioritizing convenience. It's more important to reduce waiting times than to cram as many people as possible into one car

@cityforall

2 ай бұрын

@@bergonius In fact, both are important. Good transport is both capacious and frequent.

@bergonius

2 ай бұрын

@cityforall The city officials seem to often mix up the concept of the capacity of the system as a whole versus the capacity of any one vehicle. Only the former is relevant

Tallinn is suspending its trolleybus network from 1st of November because of outdated fleet. The operation will be resumed in 2026 (presumed) when new trolleybuses will arrive (also presumed, since there are only talks of the fleet renewal and no actual tender announced). Also substation in the centre will be sold and ugly wires dismantled. In the meantime, diesel buses will replace trolleybuses on all routes. A very big step forward in reducing CO2 emissions 🎉🎉🎉🎉 (what did they just come up with)

@cityforall

11 күн бұрын

Hmmmm(((

1:33 i dont think Stalin wants to install anything is there any city that actually invested in trolley buses which didn't have them previously?

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

I've found this ones - Marrakesh 2017, Quito 1995, Riyadh 2017, Malatya, Turkey 2015, Sanliurfa, Turkey 2023, Landskrona 2003.

@meki___6881

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforall didn't know Landskrona trolly bus was new. Great to see there a few new after all

Can we expect a video about the poor state and lack of vision of public transport in Vilnius?

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

Do you want me to get cancelled in Lithuania? :)

@DS.J

3 ай бұрын

@@cityforall You would be surprised how many likes and citations you would get :) It's important to tell the truth either way. Lithuania has by far the worst public transport system in the EU and it needs to be exposed an publicized.

With Kolvart being on his way off the mayor post, improvements of Tallinn will only accelerate

@kane3825

3 ай бұрын

Idk

I'm surprised to see how well he speaks English,

At 10:40 he says that they listen to experts.... well, they dont, and the ones they listen to are car centric people:/...

@lroke2947

3 ай бұрын

Have you seen the plans for the tramline that goes through Liivalaia and Suur-Ameerika to proceed under the Endla viaduct (the project too expensive for the USSR to implement) to proceed wherever trolleybuses go today? The car centric people will not be happy, trust me, when arterial roads will at best be turned into collector roads.

It's great to hear that atleast one city in the baltics is investing in trolleybuses, here in Vilnius there has been no new development on trolleybuses since the Soviet times, actually quite the opposite many trolleybus routes have been removed.

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

I didn't think it is so sad with trolleybuses in Vilnius

@ragnarlaine4065

3 ай бұрын

Tallinn is an Estonian city. These investments will be possible in Vilnius if they exit Soviet/Baltic bubble.

it is no money because it is free. americans could learn from this

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Is it only me but they have chosen the ugliest design they could for those buses?😊

Standart? Really ? Oh the art of spelling.

I tested those old solaris trolleys🫡

@cityforall

3 ай бұрын

You mean that super long one?

I love them and I have a folder about them come take a ride! (at folder 2) :)) 🚅🚈🚞🚝🚂🚃🚄 trains, trams, aren't they all beautifull