All bikes should be out the Crate to make it a fair test

That's surprising that the triumph doesn't feel as fast. A sure sign of a well set-up bike.

Epic shootout, that Triumph seems to be an absolute weapon, 2 seconds on a two minute lap is a big difference… I predict Triumph will sell many of these 💯🔥😎😎😎

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

we were really surprised at the results and not expecting that much difference. Thanks for watching

@Davido50

22 күн бұрын

Huge. It's looking be best 250F available. 💯

Amazing result, especially considering the years of development behind the other two bikes. Triumph are really showing their strength in depth, both on road and off.

Have to get you're hands on a Ducati 450 next, great job everyone, love the Triumph 😊

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Fingers crossed!

@PotatoeJoe69

2 ай бұрын

Shane that Desmo 450 is so hideous. Or at least the front of it is. The frame has some wonderful lines; but I don't know what the hell they were thinking with the number plate and front fender 😂

@mattseaton3521

11 күн бұрын

@@PotatoeJoe69 Italian styling isn't known for being understated / reserved!

It’s good that it goes quick without feeling like it, shows it’s stable and well set up

Triumph has done a great job, this is evident when up against 2 of the best.💪 The drone though😮 rocks

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

Fantastic. I only hope Triumph export a few down under to NZ.

Absolutely blown away, what a fantastic production. That Triumph is going to become legendary. Big shout out to Sean, what an asset to 999Lazer, his consistently good riding skills are perfect for making a fair comparison on these head-to-head videos. I've been following Max and 999Lazer since near the beginning here on KZread and this is now by far the best motocross channel on any platform.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. We really appreciate your kind words :)

You had 3 test riders but only had 2 of them give results? I do t think results would change much but why leave the girl out?

Another great video Max. Like I told you earlier in this saga, if Honda could go from zero to hero in 1973, there was no reason that Triumph couldn't do the same. Now we watch the race season unfold. By the end of the MXON we will see if they succeeded. Good job to Triumph.

Well done Triumph, for a first MX bike that's incredible. Good video, funny seeing that plane (drone) flying around after the riders. It must have been hard to keep up.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Andy, Glad you enjoyed it:)

Glad to see the CHAMP Sean Smith on the bike as always!

Need yours and old man opinions on the bikes as your skills are more in line with most of us weekend warriors

Very interesting comparison. Nice to see that the Triumph is competitive.

Triumph making a grand first impression. Id like to see Roczen take a few hot laps. 999 brilliant as always!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Eric, Triumph have a 450 coming later this year. It would be cool to see Roczen at that for sure :)

@Eric--zs6um

2 ай бұрын

@@999lazer awesome

I wanted to say Sean looked faster on the Triumph until I saw him riding the KTM through the corners... TBF, Tyler looks good on all 3... again, I'd have to say the KTM... Great episode, and for looks i think the Triumph wins....

Great riders, great bikes and a great shootout. Thanks you guys and well done everyone.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Jaylee, glad you enjoyed it

It seems to be a very common feeling that the best machine in whatever sport simply doesn't feel fast. You hear these soerts of comments again and again. But 2 seconds a lap for both the riders has to be seen as pretty convincing. And the Triumph had only 2 hours on it. I'm no great fan of the 250 4 stroke format, but if this is any sort of indication of what the 400 is going to be like, that has to be a good thing. Is there any news of when the factory is going to be launching the enduro versions? 'Cause that will be right at the top of my shopping list.

Really great to see this. been waiting for the triumph 250 for quite some time now, and i'm very glad to see that it's as fantastic a bike as they swore up and down it would be. Absolutely going to have to get my hands on one

Max, these videos just keep getting better, well done to the team

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

@crf80fdarkdays

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, pretty good comparison I would of just would of liked all bikes to be factory settings

Just when ya thought there was nothing new! Blammo! Great job, Triumph!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching:)

Another great shoot. Great mix of riders. Covered all skill set levels. Fantastic idea. Broaden the scope… broaden your audience. Kudos! IMO - Happy that Triumph got In the game. Competition only spurs on greater engineering. The only thing missing in the comparison is the price tag. That’s a huge component that I wish was factored in and also discussed. Triumph produced a superb machine, but, maybe too much “tech “. MotoGP is currently placing limits and changing rules on the tech front. Let the riders do the riding and may the best rider win. Don’t forget about good old fashioned luck! Keep the content coming! 🎉

Luvd it, great episode. I had a feeling the Triumph was going to be triumphant👍👏👏👊

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

👌u know we all wanted this outcome! Wicked mate!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Ben, Glad you enjoyed it.

As always, great fkng video. All of your videos are awesome. Keep up the great work. Great job to the Triumph Crew.. RC.. Great Job! Maybe some top-tier big name Riders coming in 25 or 26??.. to the Triumph Brand? Exciting to see and I can’t wait for the 450 debut. 🤙

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Very good shotout video

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Colin

top vid i think the drone stuff is really good max, the 250s are so fast these days i'm pleased for triumph looks like they have a winner

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Arthur, to be fair they are all great bikes, but shows Triumph have been putting a lot of hard work in to get it so good at the first attempt.

Great footage as usual max well done triumph

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Tony, glad you enjoyed it :)

I love the fact that Triumph is back and that Ducati is on the way it brings me joy! I started to get interested I MX/Super-cross and enduro again when I started seeing names like Gas Gas,Sherco,Beta and now Triumph and Ducati reminds me of the 1970s when you would see at least 8-10 manufacturers racing.

I have been waiting on this. I would love to see a triumph vs beta head to head.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Keep bringing the awesome vids 99 laser

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Will do, thanks Damon:)

Awesome channel keep up the good work. With triumph moving a lot of production away from the UK I haven’t heard mention where the new bike is made?

Fantastic video Max, the bike's were great, test riders did a good review, I didn't expect the triumph to win, but it looks the complete package, hopefully they will do well I mxgp .

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Cheers Kevin, they have done a good job so far. I think they were on the podium today at the GP in Spain again.

best Yt channel.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

Amazing video as always max. Makes you proud to be british again. Me and the Mrs love your content. Keep up the good work ❤!!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Paddy (& Mrs Paddy) :)

Impressive from Triumph!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

we were pretty shocked when we saw the times!

Sean says the triumph didn’t feel fast. I remember F1 driver once saying if your driving and it doesn’t feel fast but it’s on point. It’s the opposite. It’s very fast.

Haha I paused the video to comment and then Ricky Carmichael name gets mentioned

Tyler looked very comfortable on the triumph bt then just as quick on the ktm!

Good work. What about the tyres ? they would have been different wouldn't they ? looks like super soft track. Triumph also runs a narrower rear than the others I think for better turning.

I think Triumph has something promising on their hands with their new mx bike. I'd say the biggest problem with European brands for a good few of us here in the states is availability. There are absolutely no KTM or Husqvarna dealers local to me and the only way to get either is to travel into Quebec which sadly requires a passport. But there are Triumph motorcycle dealers in the neighboring state so getting a TF 250-X should be as easy as buying one of their motorcycles. I'm sure they'll be selling quite a few of these things when the time comes. :)

I'll take my 01 cr 250 .. nice to see new playes to the market, keep up the great work

Just clicked the like button and I'm only watching the intro .😮❤

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

haha cheers Paddy

Very interesting how the riders didn't feel Triumph was faster but the clock showed it. I think you stated HP difference, well that goes to show HP does matter even though you could argue the whole package. I say this because the riders didn't feel the Triumph faster but it was. The side by side with Tyla showed the difference but the one bobble at 59 sec set the KTM and Triumph apart. From there the long straights and the more HP? allowed it to pull away

Amazing Drone work on this Video. Way to go Triumph! As far as looks, I’ve always liked the Honda Red, but all three Bikes look great. For a Stock right out of the Crate Bike, the Triumph was very impressive. I’ll have to give it a little Time to see how well they hold up, before I would think about getting one. Again though, way to go Triumph! I’m loving the Bike already. Great Video.😁👍👍

Question for the creator (of this video content) and all of those in the know: do the factory KTM teams, in Europe and North America, use the air forks or do they use a spring conversion kit or other special non air forks? I heard they do not use the single spring/air fork combo because it's not as plush and characteristics change with heat buildup (air expansion). Thanks for the video and any info. I enjoy your channel. PS: I am very impressed on what Triumph has been able to achieve with their first MX bike... it looks very refined, fast and beyond its years.

I wanted the Triumph to be best here only because it's the unproven underdog. Anytime Ricky puts this much confidence in something you know it's going to be good. Just look at the early 00's Rm250s, Ricky and Pastrana had fingers in development of that machine and it's probably one of the best handling bikes I've ever ridden. Good on ya Triumph.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

They are all good bikes, but Triumph has done their homework for sure and made something special for sure :)

As far as a bike being new built from the ground up the olny MX bike built new from the ground up in my lifetime would be the Cannondale MX 400. That bike doesn't look like anything on the track. The Triumph is a great bike however I could not say that the bike is all new but more newly reverse engineered from the KTM mostly then the Yahmaha, etc., etc. the Triumph looks exactly like the other bikes on the track. I would say the Triumph is a much more successful bike because it took the good things about existing bikes and built it to match. Im not sure most people understand how groundbreaking and built from scratch the Cannondale was. It was truly from scratch. But this incredibly audacious project proved to be too much to tackle. However it influenced many of the MX four strokes we have today. Triumph is a great bike and i believe it will be a great bike in the future.

on track in GP it looks fast as FOOK, the guys racing it are fast as hell but by no means the top tier and yet it is right there...imagine if the Triumph was piloted by a top guy..... you only have to watch it on track, in and out of corners it is lightning

I'd liked to have been a fly on the wall when Tyler told his sponsor that he was faster on a stock Triumph than his own race prepped KTM .............." hmmm run that by me again Tyler it sounded like you said that the Triumph was nearly 2 seconds quicker than our bike Grrrrrrrrrrrr " !! 😅😅😅

A lot of comments about what a good job Triumph have done on their first attempt which is true. What amazes me is how good the Stark Varg is. Considering it is a brand new company altogether and they built a bike that’s using a (relatively) brand new technology. I can’t help think that Triumph should have gone down the electric route rather than try and compete against the legacy manufacturers in a class that will likely move to electric in the next 10 years anyway . They could have built a bike to compete against both the Varg and the oil burners putting themselves ahead of the other manufacturers who are having to develop ICE’s while they work on E technology in the background. Before anyone gets on the “but you need to charge it using petrol generators” bandwagon, remember there are a heap of benefits to going electric and it wouldn’t be a huge deal to have decent power supply at a track, especially if they don’t need to be in the middle of nowhere because of noise complaints. E bikes can potentially bring the cost of racing back to a level (or even less) than that seen since the demise of 2 stokes. That would be truly great for the sport and industry.

Love the look of the triumph, very hot bike

Tyler looks more comfortable in the air on the KTM but the worst on the dirt with it. The Honda and triumph looked less comfortable in the air for both and splitting hairs on the dirt due to the different perspectives with Tyler’s triumph lap. But I want to say it looked smoother and got in the throttle quicker on the triumph and therefore looked the fastest on the triumph on the dirt.

Awesome video as always although I was a bit surprised the mighty Honda didn’t do better but hey technology my friend that’s the way it goes now let’s get back to the 2smokes please lol cheers max

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

haha, 2 smokers are back next week :)

Hi, what do you think about the new MX Ducati?

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Love very interesting, would love to do a test with it :)

@msrx08

2 ай бұрын

@@999lazer I think it's too early because the Desmo MX 450 is still in beta testing. Cairoli is testing the bike. Ducati is now using the Desmo 450 in the Italian motocross championship for testing. I know there will probably also be an enduro approved version of the same bike.

Think you should do a lap time triumph Vs 250 2 stroke

Stats don’t lie👌🏻✌🏻

Triumph, I WANT ONE !!

So actually the previous gen ktm engine vs the current gen ktm engine vs the Honda engine. The previous gen is a really fast bomb proof engine with a lot more potential than out of the crate. There’s a lot of improvement possible with quite simple changes.

Where's Anya‘s lap timings?!

Triumph are much more progressive than Harley Davidson , that's for sure. They need to bring out a 450 cc bike to keep their momentum going in the market . Good job

Need to have the YF250F in the comparison

Another great video max!

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Andy

I think all 3 bikes being stock would be a better comparison.The honda with better suspension is quite a huge advantage

So they did back to back hot laps, first triumph then ktm then honda. Both test riders were fastest on the first bike and slowest on the last. Energy means a lot for a hot lap

I’m sure I read somewhere that the G.O.A.T aka Ricky Carmichael joined triumph to help them develop triumph’s off-road motorcycles

You should have a 300 shoot out with a beta, a gas gas, and an ssr…

Tyler would look fast on my sons BMX!!

Top video max 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

Great first attempt at a bike!! It sounded and looked to have more off the bottom end than the crf and sxf? I would like to see it up against a yzf?

48 hp! 🤯

All the bikes are pretty much of the same. 👍 It's about getting to know the machine, n the ability of the rider. Put a top rider on any bike on a good day, they will fare well. 😉👍

Max, you need to be one of the test riders.

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately there was too much going on with this test and I had to be behind the camera. As I'd already ridden the Triumph at the launch in the USA I didn't mind so much:)

Triumph is fast in straight line.

👊🏁

The only shootout where the Honda was picked the winner by a test rider. Extremely sus.

And Anyas thoughts was?

How did you get a Triumph before everyone else?

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

As Triumph are based in the UK they were kind enough to lend us their first ever press bike for the day :)

Braaaap.

Not a fair comparison. All the bikes need to be brand new . Out the Box

Was Anya not supposed to be riding it as well ?

Triumph 👍🏻🏁🏆

I hate to say it , but British bike , British riders , just say’n. It may be a great bike we will see , let’s hope.

That Honda is so beatiful

No YZ-F? Many a group test winner.

@r2dadizubz

2 ай бұрын

Chill out

@LeeTillbury

2 ай бұрын

​@@r2dadizubzPerfectly chilled thanks, just asking a question. Is that ok with you? I will be really disappointed if not 😂

@danielwaddell123

2 ай бұрын

It seems like they were struggling to get their hands on 2024 bikes.

4k pls

I can tell Shawn is a 250 rider that’s the fastest I’ve seen him look I think it’s a toss up between the crf and the tx250f for him

@BrockBaker-fd6gi

2 ай бұрын

Tf250x

Why didn’t you have the Yamaha Kawasaki & Suzuki in this 250 shoot out understand GasGas & Husqvarna 🤔

In your intro you mentioned that the Honda had, had the suspension set up by someone. So did I miss some thing?? Are these bike absolutely stock out of the box for this comparison???

@Mockle07

2 ай бұрын

No. The KTM and Honda both have ‘tuned’ suspension of some sort… not that it seemed to help haha

Well done Triumph, 2 stroke bike please

Tyler looks faster on the Honda and the triumph second with Ktm last

Wow… sometimes numbers don’t jive with people’s anecdotal feel for a bike. It looks like triumph is going be setting a new bar. People on all the channels are saying the same thing. Triumph is coming onto the motocross scene strong

Did I miss the girls thoughts ?

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

yes, they are in there:)

They say the Triumph has the highest power to weight ratio? Idk, I just hate the black plastic.

@yamahakid450f

2 ай бұрын

Then change it...that's the dumbest complaint

@lw3918

2 ай бұрын

@yamahakid450f In your opinion. Doesn't really effect me I don't ride little boy bikes.

@Mockle07

2 ай бұрын

@@lw3918 You start out by questioning its power to weight ratio (despite both riders going faster on it) then seem to justify your doubts by bringing up the black plastics 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

@lw3918

2 ай бұрын

@Mockle07 OK so according to you I'm not allowed to have an opinion. You're a Democrat aren't you?

Harley Davidson motorcross bike where are you?😅🤔 Americans loves dirt bike but no manufacturer US made✌️

So you had the suspension setup on the cr , but say nothing bout setting up the rest, ride them all out of the box or the review mean shit .

@999lazer

2 ай бұрын

The plan was to have 3 box fresh bikes, but KTM couldn't/wouldn't supply a 24 bike and Honda pulled out last second (literally on the morning of the test). It's much harder to pull off a shoot like this (and way more expensive) than you'd think. The triumph was completely stock out of the crate and still won the test with two different riders on board, i think that says a lot about the bike in my opinion.

To me he looked the most comfortable on the Honda it looked smoother and that's saying alot because I don't even like Hondas

One rider rates the Honda brakes the best, the other rates them the worst 👀 I understand differences of opinion but… huh? Sean rates the Honda worst in every category but his reasoning is “because of the tech”?! How is the handling, engine or fun factor affected by launch control or traction control?

😀😀😀👍👍