THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO!!! It’s also pretty bad. Here’s a link to a better video of this run by me: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4p6mrasZb2wfLw.htmlsi=ewcjGAMb_sAYvaYd

I remember skiing this run as a kid. Probably 25 years ago now. It used to be very doable and I remember it to be very hard, but fun. Seems now like it's super overgrown and has had no maintenance in a while.

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

8 ай бұрын

The “official entrance” to black hole is actually a little further down the mountain (something I just found out last week). The entrance I’m using is the technical “top” of the WOODS the trail is in, but I’m not actually on the “official” Black Hole trail until after that big cliff. But if you are an experienced skier, I think you should give this cliff a try, and honestly I’m still considering it part of Black Hole because it is actually deserving of a triple black rating, it’s scarily steep, narrow, and a slight slip will send you barreling 30 feet down a ~5 foot wide corridor on a cliff.

Great for rental skis

@leaff_f

Жыл бұрын

😭😭

@carsonedits2005

Жыл бұрын

Not every good skier can afford their own skis lmao

@Tstorm1468

Жыл бұрын

@@carsonedits2005 he said that because of the amount of rocks and stuff that could scratch your skis and you don’t want to scratch your own skis

@carsonedits2005

Жыл бұрын

@@Tstorm1468 oh my bad lol

@headshot308ps3

Жыл бұрын

Anytime I rent or demo I get the extra insurance then gun them through the shit

I laughed so hard I was crying. “Uh, my back is sore…Cliff conquered” Absolutely classic!

I wouldn't necessarily call that CONQUERED... looks like the Black hole won. Nice work though, you made it!

That's not skiing, that's surviving

Awesome commentary! Great job sticking with it!

Worst thing about cameras it doesn't really show how vertical the run is. But I'm going to assume it's very steep.

@callistofluff

Жыл бұрын

Looking from the cameras it's probably around a 21 degree angle at the start

@xL0stHero

Жыл бұрын

The start is very steep

@callistofluff

Жыл бұрын

@@xL0stHero I mean before he gets on the trail

@xL0stHero

Жыл бұрын

@@callistofluff the start of the black hole is very steep, upper liftline is about just as steep

@callistofluff

Жыл бұрын

@@xL0stHero That's just a estimate from the video, chill

I have done that run many many times. Makes me excited for the upcoming season!

I skied that 20 years ago. It looks exactly like I remember it. 😆

Mount Sutton in Quebec has a trail kinda like this. Triple black called the Boo Boo. It's lots of fun!

I like the running commentary about how awful this run is.

@kermit88a

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad I saw this so now I don’t need to ski it

I, as a snowboarder, didn’t have much trouble with the cliff, but my friend on skis however… he ended up sliding backwards on his back and doing a backflip into a bush 😭 😭 😭

This is how I felt on my first blue ☠

@patrick-be3it

Жыл бұрын

same XD

Awesome footage! Always wondered about smugglers, seems like a cool vibe ⛷️

@lilymoore-sx8pk

6 ай бұрын

It’s a great vibe.

Bro skied out of his ability level

@theskyizblue2day431

10 ай бұрын

That is how you get into the next level tho

Lost in the woods. Happens to me too.

ive been skiing for half my life and i shit my pants watching this

bro went over every single rock possible

got to ski smugglers notch right after the first real storm and everything was open and the trees were deeeeeep!

@greasyrails2571

Жыл бұрын

actually, we scrubbed down the cliff part of upper black hole with 3 other friends when it was still snowy

Is that trail just a badge of honor because I don’t know why anyone would purposely run their skiis over rock? I avoid rocks because I treat my equipment well. I don’t ski a trail that is a rock unless I would be given a free set of skis at the bottom.

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

doing the big cliff at the top is definitely just for a flex, but once you do the cliff it is a really fun (although challenging) trail

@mtadams2009

Жыл бұрын

I run my skies over rock and all kinds of destruction things. Then again I have multiple pairs of skies and skies are just tools. I use mine.

Are you sure you're meant to do this on skis rather than snow shoes? Bcus that is just straight forest. If I were told that this is supposed to be a skiing run, I'd feel cheated. 😆

i love skiing and i go every spring break but stuff like this just does not seem fun

This is some sick content Pink Suit! Subbed on my end. Which runs to recommend I do at Smuggs next week?

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

if you are a beginner: Morse Highlands is super fun if you are intermediate: all of Sterling is a great choice, also try out Doc Dempseys and FIS at Madonna if you are an expert: do all the doubles, they're all super fun. If you're really up for a challenge, you could try something like Hershey Squirts which is an unofficial trail that is behind a fence off Drifter (if you take Drifter top to bottom you'll know what I'm talking about.) Some fun trails (personal favorites): Robins Run, Madonna Liftline, Freefall, all the pipelines (there's multiple segments), Doc Dempseys, and if you want some easier stuff, shakedown, knights revenge, or smugglers alley.

@ADHski

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatPinkSuitGuy I appreciate that breakdown man! Excited to see more content from you, keep shreddin!

Great run hacked really bad here.

Wow. I'm glad you posted this video. I honestly don't think I would enjoy this trail. Or rather this lack of a trail.

Hope those were your rock skis!

@tloud600

Жыл бұрын

There rentals so yeah

Looks more like an ice-hole that’s a black hole.

That’s some great skiing there, looks very joyfull

You're doing what most people do on that run, you're "getting down it", you're not skiing it. It's just not a very good run in my opinion, and unless you know it well and get to it when it's fresh, it's a complete waste of time. You did fine. I used to work at Smugg's; taught Snowboarding from the 90s into the 2000s. When people would ask us if we thought they were ready to ride "out back" (beyond the area boundary), we'd take them down TBH. Very few displayed the necessary skills to get the nod. Very few. But I remember this kid from Toronto who I was giving private lessons to, Sara. She was 12 or 13. I nick-named her smooth because she just fucking had it! I took her down TBH for the obligatory test and she cruised it. Like charged into those woods and never stopped. She Dolphin'd it top to bottom. We ripped past ski patrol in there too, they were wide eye'd at Smooth, pig tails flying behind her, maching through there like a friggin' pro. Seriously, I've ridden with a lot of talented people and I still think she's the most talented natural rider I've even had the pleasure to work with. Anyhow, if you think this is difficult...don't leave the resort boundary. It's steeper, tighter, and has actual drops. And no one comes to rescue you if you fuck it up. Stay safe!

This follows the question -“hey, can I borrow your skis?” Video shows two eastern skiing realities at once; rating inflation and “rice” (rocks and ice together). I’ve skied Smuggs many times, no double blacks there let alone triple…some really bad runs though. Can be a really fun place to ski with the family.

I'm gonna be stuck in those trees if I try this.

Never go in there alone!

Bushwhacking down an almost cliff!

It needs a lot more snow to be rideable

January skiing at Squaw is awful always icy!!!

For everyone saying it doesn't look steep and he can't ski/ is skiing way above his ability: The upper half of this run is absolutely insane and the angle doesn't do it justice. It is very much just survival skiing- with better coverage you can get some jump turns in at the beginning, but for the coverage he had that day, sidestepping is the smart option one slip and you tumble down like 100 feet ricocheting off rocks and trees.

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

3 ай бұрын

This is easily my least favorite video on my channel, it’s my very first one that I threw up without much thought and it ended up becoming my most popular. You’re absolutely right, the GoPro doesn’t do it justice. However I also didn’t bring my best to the table here. I just did a run of this trail a couple weeks ago, planning on throwing it in an upcoming video. I like to think I shredded it up pretty well but that’s for the viewer to decide. However I remember this day, absolutely not the best condition to do this, and it is incredibly steep in person, probably around 40-50 degree pitch if not more

@coakes2010

3 ай бұрын

@@ThatPinkSuitGuy I mean it's good to be humble and put multiple attempts at the same run under various conditions so someone doesn't see you shredding it on a perfect day and think "ohh that looks so easy for a triple black" and then they end up hurt or stuck in a spot they cant get themself out of

Seems like you created a “brown patch” in the Back Hole.

This is why I snowboard.

My my those unprotected ski pillars are a hazard

Second half of it looks fun. First half just looked like lame sidestepping through dense woods

Just went on it today

I just got done watching a bunch of videos of people skiing out west. Then watched this. What is up with all the bare spots?

I skied this many times but laughed when it opened as a glade on the trail map bc I’d never seen such little effort put into a trail map glade from a resort… it’s like they just put a trail sign up, clapped their hands together, and declared “new trail”… total cost $20

The run under the lift and the upper black hole doesn't look like it's fun to ski at all. Plus it looks like a rocky edge wrecker. There were some soft turns to be had in the lower black hole though.

Average tree line at copper

idk how this man is staying calm. On my first green, I pretty much shot strait down the slope, ski patrol had to get me because I fell and pulled a muscle.

Looks like a good way to get lost.

You are patrols worst nightmare

don't know why you went into trees at bottom ??? and the top was a rock garden... jeez louize...

How is that even a named run? Maybe it is an east coast thing? I'm confused... with so many dense trees and no real route, it seems that this is just a steep overgrown tree run. Am I wrong? Kudo's to That Pink Suit Guy for navigating that. It didn't look fun. (edit: i looked at the Smugglers Notch trail map and Black Hole appears to be a chute which is not what this video looked like)

bro your skis though

How does ski patrol check this at end of day?

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

5 ай бұрын

I have since found out that the upper cliff is not technically part of the trail, it’s an additional entrance. The actual entrance is a secret little passage onto the glades directly after the cliff. So if I had to guess, that’s what ski patrol actually checks. However, even with the cliff, the trail is definitely triple black worthy in my books, at least compared to the rest of Smuggs trails.

Where was the cliff

That black hole is a weasler,real tight

I am only 8 years old and I skied a double black diamond back in 2022

ah the black hole

Wow it’s a glade.

Doesn't look like any fun. I guess I'm spoiled with steep open bowls and chutes in the West.

what’s the pitch on the trail?

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

the cliff is about 70-80 degrees, once you get pasted the cliff (which is really just for flexing on your friends) you have a regular double diamond woods trail which is super fun

Dumb trail but thank for posting

Good Lord what is happening here

This looks harder than corbets

@nickv3085

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao.

@Osnosis

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you sit down in Corbets you want get up until ski patrol drops you at the hospital.

@Eggywrldbrawl_elprimo

Жыл бұрын

@@Osnosis yeah but ski patrol can’t get to you in this glade

@averagejojofan8649

Жыл бұрын

Only looks hard because it’s the ice coast and it’s suboptimal conditions

@Eggywrldbrawl_elprimo

Жыл бұрын

@@averagejojofan8649 so you think you can ski it no sweat?

I feel sorry for ya'll ice coast skiers. I assume that passes for a powder day?

Idk if I would call this a double black lol there’s just no snow lool if there was snow that would be a black maybe 🫥

Is this skiing? He's crawling down the slope.

I think you might be lost…

Feel sorry for you peeps. We are skiing on a 15ft base and you guys are skiing on 6inches covering rocks and grass.

@cmccarrick10

Жыл бұрын

You could say it's a different type of challenge :)

@theskyizblue2day431

10 ай бұрын

It sucks. There’s nothing to do except go fast or do park.

Bru that doesn’t even look like a trail

@aj2no17

Жыл бұрын

Fr thats not even a trail 😭😭

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@aj2no17 oh trust me, it is

@mototodd

Жыл бұрын

It’s a rabbit trail maybe

Buddy was struggling the entire run, his line could have been so much better

They should have named it brown hole. Hahaha

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

6 ай бұрын

Never heard that one lmao

Dude, this looks miserable. A steep forest…

Just gave me another reason to never visit the east coast.

madonna mountain is a destination for glade skiers! This dude isn't very good, but if he were to look forward, wow!

@johnklaus9111

Жыл бұрын

i jumped down the cliff. beat way down!

@johnklaus9111

Жыл бұрын

wait no. he skipped the actual cliff... went the wrong way...

@dtr2548

Жыл бұрын

What your problem, he is good and let him be happy

@johnklaus9111

Жыл бұрын

@@dtr2548 he said he went over the cliff, he didn't. Simple.

OMG. Note to the Notch - you can't just put a sign up and call it a trail. This can't be skied, and shouldn't be tried.

@jerrymcsendee

Жыл бұрын

OMG you suck 😖 It can be skied, it can even be enjoyed. It can even be used as a freeride competition course, and is; the only 3* in the east. This year's is Sunday, 2/26, and yes, I'm on the roster.

@joshuagravel2565

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever been to Cannon? Kinsman, D.J.'s, Amazon, and Wicked Haahhd all are steeper and make this glade look like you could drive a school bus thru it.

Free Fall should be the triple.

not the only triple black in the east, le massif has le charlevoix which the top is considered a triple.

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

Searched it and didn’t find anything, do you have a video of anyone doing it?

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

I’d love to check it out

@PG-3462

Жыл бұрын

There is no triple diamond in Le Massif, but there's a backcountry section which can get sketchy depending where you are. You can even look at the official map, there's no triple diamond in the legend But Le Massif de Charlevoix is indeed one of the best mountains in the East, most particularly with its view of the Saint Lawrence

@bulgarianb3ast

Жыл бұрын

Is a triple in the east like a double in the west?

@PG-3462

Жыл бұрын

@@bulgarianb3ast I personally ski in Québec, but went to British Columbia several times. You can find trails that are as difficult in both regions, the only difference is in terms of vertical drop, as mountains are much higher in the West. My local mountain only has 400m of vertical drop, which is tiny relatively to what you can find in British Columbia

This is a marked run? This can't be right, looks like you got lost in the woods.. :)

This is actually considered a run ?? Looks more annoying and exhausting than challenging.

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people say this. The top part with the cliff is really just a flex, but once you get pasted it it is a really fun trail (and yes it is official haha).

much easier if snowboard for this😂

No such thing as a triple black diamond, that's a double black....maybe

How is this fun 🤔

steepest run in the east: nah im joking it looks miserable but its not steep

@xL0stHero

Жыл бұрын

It actually is the one of the steepest, on video it doesn’t look as steep tho

@ezpznoob8092

Жыл бұрын

@@xL0stHero in the west it looks steep even on gopro Even though I've skied above 50 degrees it was an open face, this looks harder cause there's stuff everywhere not cause its stee0

@xL0stHero

Жыл бұрын

@@ezpznoob8092 yeah it’s hard because the top part is skinny, I just went on it today

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@ezpznoob8092 a lot of the difficulty comes from it being so tight, and out west looks steeper because the trails are so open so you can get a reference of how truly steep the terrain is

Looks like your climbing not sking

Ya, no thanks

Why bother with a rock riddled run like this? You like working with P-tex or something?

This didn't look like a good time at all 🤣

@hopsterbb2571

Жыл бұрын

Ridiculous, really surprised he didn’t run in to Sasquatch or the Yeti! I’m sorry but that is not skiing! Cringe, and obviously not his ski’s

@mattshaheen5333

Жыл бұрын

Right? Why are you skiing on rocks?!?

Bro this is like a double black but could kill u

@ThatPinkSuitGuy

Жыл бұрын

It’s called the black hole, you go in you might disappear forever

@DKEDITZ4010

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatPinkSuitGuy lol

doesnt look fun honestly, just for bragging rights it seems like lol. pretty sure anyone could do this if they went slow and steady

That kinda looks like it sucks

That did not look fun.

this is a blue square at jay.....

@shadowking5410

Жыл бұрын

Jay peak lol I have been there, nice place. Btw you tired JFK U.N or Kitzwoods cause in my opinion Kitzwoods is a very good compassion to black hole. Not to challenging comparing the triple blacks at big sky.

@heheimtrahs

Жыл бұрын

​​@@shadowking5410 ive went there for holiday break lol, skied some of the blacks there, didn't try kitzwoods tho

This just doesn’t look fun at all lol, this is literally just survival

Probably easier on a snowboard

Looks icey and bad.

Weak… triple black? Nah

Lame

Good on you but this shit just does not look enjoyable at all

This doesnt look fun at all.

Well this looked like a waste of time. Shesh not even remotely fun.