Fucking Trinisphere. So complex it literally has its own step in the process of determining total cost. 😐

@shade0mirth

3 ай бұрын

Only because to work within the rules, they needed to add another step. From what I understand, once the cost is determined during casting, it doesn't change. Otherwise, it's rather straightforward.

@1984smells

3 ай бұрын

Trinisphere is easy? Nothing escapes Trinisphere.

@YetAnotherScrub

3 ай бұрын

Honestly the only complex part is that the mana cost for a spell can sometimes be paid with something other than mana, such as with delve or convoke. All that aside, it's quite simple: After other adjustments, if your cost was less than 3, it goes up to 3.

@StoneAgeDudemanGaming

3 ай бұрын

"DIDJA PAY THREE BEFORE PUTTING THAT SPELL ON THE STACK?!!!!?!*$" Is a fun layer to explain for the first time

@jamesfilyawDigginGabe

3 ай бұрын

There's nothing complex about it. The answer is it costs at least 3.

Respect for the people who will help their opponent with rulings like this even to their own determent

@toolittletoolate

3 ай бұрын

Real kings build each other up. Me and my buddy always question the other if we notice a misplay so we can get better and learn the rules better. Who cares about winning so bad you'd use technicalities, against friends?

@rocketiermaster7498

2 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, any time I'm unsure of a rule, my opponent helpfully explains that it's whatever version helps them out. I've been corrected so many times, because I got straight up lied to about certain rulings when I started

This is an example of "reading the card explains the card" is more appropriately phrased as "carefully reading the card multiple times with utmost attention explains the card"

@SyxxPunk

3 ай бұрын

Ah. The Yugioh method.

@sablesalt

3 ай бұрын

@@SyxxPunk I thought the yugioh method required an exorcist to summon whatever otherworldly creature made the textbox

@adamxue6096

3 ай бұрын

It's honestly more like reading the card and having read and memorized the comprehensive rule book explains the card, except this still doesn't exactly always work due to a potential errata or an update to the comprehensive rules.

@OatmealTheCrazy

3 ай бұрын

A level of understanding normally only available to lawyers and the Autistic community

@gummywyrm1359

3 ай бұрын

Reading the oracle text, related rules, and reddit forums explains the card.

Pauper Tiny Leaders Block Limited Players unite

@josiahblakely51

3 ай бұрын

There's dozens of us

@ChonoRock1198

3 ай бұрын

That actually sounds like make believe

@theblan1k0ne

3 ай бұрын

@@ChonoRock1198 more make believe than the 5th album by Weezer

@Ooid_Monster

3 ай бұрын

We are everywhere!

I was always that guy helping and explaining mechanics and such to players. Lost so many games but its the descent thing to do

@evangrescol7772

3 ай бұрын

I do it especially because it's more satisfying to still win in spite of it than because your opponent didn't know what to do. Edit: Grammar

@Darkvalentine333

3 ай бұрын

This is EXACTLY how you encourage growth and participation in the hobby itself. Your win right that moment, outside of a major tournament anyway, doesn't matter much, but getting players more into the game is very important.

@toolittletoolate

3 ай бұрын

Unless it's a tournie or for money this is the proper play every time.

@nosoulforme7323

2 ай бұрын

​@@toolittletoolate if it is in such a tournament and YOU willingly lie about it (( aka just saying yes everything costs three)) or someone does not call for a ruling due to how the game works you can be DQed for false info. Transparency is the name of the game and if something is supposed to happen ( like howling mine ) it's not "just a mess up" it can lead to a lot of headaches.

for the record, trinisphere is very playable in tiny leaders!

@samw6414

3 ай бұрын

okay but what about pauper tiny leaders limited?

@Oxygen1004

3 ай бұрын

​@@samw6414in MH8 they'll downshift it to a common don't worry

This is not the fault of Trinisphere, persay. Delve, Convoke and Improvise all pay for costs, where as Affinity reduces the cost. Affinity is the only one that existed when Trinisphere came out, and it was probably designed to keep Affinity in check in Standard (the most common format at the time).

Always with the tiny leaders

The disrespect to tiny leaders is too much.

I've played trinisphere in TL. Come at me!

I play regular tiny leaders (unironically good format)

This is really good, i wish I knew that about delve before.

Bruh just tap the trinisphere forehead. In all honesty, trinisphere hurts.

Also note worthy: phyrexian mana works like an alternative cost and not like a way of paying the mana. That means if a trinisphere is in play you can choos to pay 1bb for dismember or 3geniric and 4 life.

Kamigawa Block Pauper Tiny Leaders is my favorite format

I love Trinisphere in my mono green worms deck. My cheapest card in that is 3.

I think a way to rewrite the card to make it less confusing is “if a player would pay less than 3 mana to cast a spell they must pay x where x is the difference”. That way it’s clear that the trinisphere tax is separate from the regular mana cost and can’t be effected by cost reducing. That and reading how the different cost reducing effects work. Delve, convoke and improvise pay for the cost, affinity reduces the cost

Trinisphere is the biggest reason I'm glad edh doesn't use partial paris. Saw way too many first player turn 1 trinisphere.

One big issue with what was said there was no colorless mana symbol on the card. What you meant was genetic mana major difference

How would it work with force of will and negation? Since they have alternate cost u still don't gotta pay anything right?

The issue isn't Trinisphere. It makes perfect sense. The issue is people not paying attention to the difference between cost reduction or alternative costs and other ways to pay the cost.

Fun fact. It also stops OG Etali.

Once I used opposition to stop it 😂

"At least 3."

How many cards do you have to exile from your graveyard to reduce the cost to 1 under trinisphere? Is it 5, 7 or 8?

...Huh, I was thinking of running a Prismari commander deck with artifacts that only get their effects when untapped and didn't realize Trinisphere is one of them. Hmmm....

@mikastrae

3 ай бұрын

what commander?

@kylarcheng1346

3 ай бұрын

@@mikastrae probably galazeth prismari but idk

@kylarcheng1346

3 ай бұрын

i mean, depending on how mean you wanna be, winter orb's always there. Although, if you tap trinisphere on your turn to get rid of the tax, it's tapped for everyone else.

I'm not even sure if blocks have 50 unique 3cmc or less commons

Its not a real format, but I think it sounds funny enough that it should be.

@hollowoat

3 ай бұрын

it actually is a real format… theoretically. I doubt anyone plays it though

Wrong tho? Myr enforcer costs 7 mana. It does not cost three at all times if trinisphere is on the board.

Is there a legal way to olay pauper tiny leaders block limited? Like do any sets fit that criteria?

@caseywellington4761

3 ай бұрын

No

@Grimlock2183

3 ай бұрын

No, but ARTISAN Tiny Leaders Block Limited is

@Arrzarrina

3 ай бұрын

@@Grimlock2183 I don't see why not, unless pauper tiny leaders doesn't have the "Use an uncommon creature as your commander" clause that pauper commander does.

can someone explain how trinisphere makes Myr enforcer 3 regardless of the amount of artifact he has? Because that's what he says in the video and I don't get it? Is it because Myr enforcer could HYPOTHETICALLY be less than three so trinisphere activates or am I missing something?

@syrelian

3 ай бұрын

Any Deck that runs Myr Enforcer is gonna deploy endless artifacts, eg by the time its playable, you've already reduced the cost heavily if not to zero At which point Trinisphere floors the cost at 3

"That's not a real format" well not with that attitude it's not

Really format

Disappointed you didn't flash your hand down when you said "I have a counterspell ready" and it be all islands... the classic blue player bluff

So how many cards dis he delve away?

@Arrzarrina

3 ай бұрын

To cast it for a single blue mana with trinisphere on board? 5. The total cost of the spell is still 6 mana, but exiling the five cards pays for the colourless component of the spell's mana cost. (if you want to get technical, Trinisphere is applied at step 4 of step 4 of casting the spell while the delve "cost reduction" happens later, at step 8 of casting the spell where you actually pay the mana)

As a member of the PTLBL committee I don't appreciate you hating on our format 😑

So reading cards...

You beat trinisphere by being on the play or playing stuff before it enters.

Wierd

Wtf is a tiny leaders??

@forgottenone5843

3 ай бұрын

It's commander with everything 3 and less if I remember correctly

@theamazingincrediblespider9689

3 ай бұрын

@@forgottenone5843And it’s 50 cards instead of 100

@liljundy413

3 ай бұрын

50 cards main, 10 cards sideboard, no commander damage, 3 cmc is max manacost, own banlist, bo3, 1v1

So if there's a Trinisphere on the battlefield and I control 0 artifacts my Myr Enforcer costs 3?

Block player lol

This guy knows way too much about mtg

That wouldn't work cuz trinosphere only makes things that cost less than three always cost three. Not things that cost more than three cost three. This is giving false information.