What is a Trim

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Trim is a tab that exists as a tiny extension on your existing flight control surfaces. Think of them as miniature versions of the control surface. So you have an Elevator that helps you achieve pitch adjustments? Well, inside of your elevator is a little baby elevator. The baby elevator is your trim tab. The trim tab can be articulated up and down, irrespective of the main elevator. It is stiffly locked into position so that it doesn't flutter in the wind. Because the baby trim tab is sticking upwards or downwards off of the main elevator, it causes the main elevator to react to induced drag. So if the trim is sticking upwards, the main elevator feels that drag and must deflect downward to achieve balance. When the main elevator moves downward, the entire plane reacts and pitches downward with it. So trim is like a very smooth way to achieve long term smooth inputs and balance your plane to restore symmetry. If you are finding yourself having to hold the stick backward in order to stay level (if you let go of stick, plane would pitch down) you can either hold the stick there forever or you can "trim it out" and make the elevator stay where you want by adjusting the trim tab.

@horowitz8680

2 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Ah, okay. Thank you for explaining! ^^)

@ne9835

Жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Damn... That's a lot bro...

@johnfeedback6784

Ай бұрын

In the simplest terms, trim is a way to cause the flight surfaces (ailerons, elevator, rudder) to hold a specific position so you don't have to hold that position with the controls. Its a little harder to understand from a sim perspective but in small planes like the trainers I flew for my license, the controls can require a reasonable amount of strength to hold in a given position over the span of a flight. One hour, two hours, climbs, descents and level flight at varying speeds would all require holding the controls at a certain position for prolonged periods of time. The controls "Get heavy". Trim allows you to set the position of the surfaces to the position they would be in if you continued to hold the controls there so it takes all the force off and you can often fly hands off but it changes with changes in speed and desired flight attitude.

Nice and to the point. used to play a lot of IL-2 and trimmed all the time, every flight, having it saved is *kissing sound* magnificent! >..> now to buy a joy stick for the first time in like 10 years....

That was extremely helpful I’m new to sim and it helped so much

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you found some use out of it! I wish you good hunting, friend. o7

Just explain what each setting means so people can figure out what works for them. It’s cool to see what you do in any certain plane but what people really need is just a vocabulary lesson on what all the settings do and mean. So don’t say “don’t use this this is garbage” explain why you say what you say.

@nothingnewtome1

4 жыл бұрын

Wingaling Dragon hey man good to know. Thanks for making them. Sorry if that was an asshole comment. Sometimes I write as if I’m talking to one of my friends haha. Link to the updated video?

I saw dozens of videos about controls of all types and you were the only channel that in 6 minutes made me solve all my problems, thank you.

@WingalingDragon

7 ай бұрын

Well thank you, very kindly. I'm glad that I was able to help. There is an updated version of this video floating around, which might be slightly more useful and goes into more detail. Here is the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/maGc286unrzbo9Y.htmlsi=3HbMzUbkquT9TpPr But if you've already got your questions answered, then you might not need the newer video. There are a ton of other subjects covered in the tutorial Playlist as well, linked here: kzread.info/head/PLviZUBinoAkxD-TsdstCtbCy0NH9GFjub&si=C0eAZhr4LjTWVqIt If you enjoy the way I present information, you may find some of those other subjects well suited to you. I try very hard to get straight to the point but also explain WHY things work the way they work. Instead of just saying "do this because this is the way I do it and it works." I always find, for me, that when I understand WHY something works... I'm more inclined to remember it. I also hate tutorials that have minutes of long intros and unnecessary self-promo or begging for likes/subs... people will like it if they like it... people will sub if they want to... everyone knows that those buttons exist, so shoving it down everyone's throats seems disingenuous and self-serving. So you won't find any of that crap in my videos. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to let me know how you felt. It is always wonderful to see people getting the help they need. I look forward to sharing the skies with you and I wish you good hunting! o7

@sharaiagaraia9736

5 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'll watch the videos if I hadn't seen your comment at the time, your channel is very good, thanks for the help@@WingalingDragon

I want to let you know that this video has made my day and made my experience playing this game so much better. Thank you so much. Also you got a good voice for this

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! That is wonderful to hear.

ive looked all around yt for how to trim the plane ur video explained it really good helped me alot since im new to sim

Great video and thorough. Will share this with friends.

the freakin trim control fucked me up every time

thank you so much bro this is a life saver!!!

This is helpful even to a console player like me, but it does feel like I’m playing mortal combat with all the button combos I have 😂

@WingalingDragon

Жыл бұрын

"FINISH TRIM!"

You are the man! Thank you a lot.

Great job! Thanks

tysm for the guide. just brought my su 27 to sim and was sweating during the whole flight as i refuse to use sas since it limits my dog fight ability

Omg ive been struggling trimming plane cuz i thought i cabt do it "flightsim" style.. now that i know.. its much easier flyibg planes.. 👍

Hey ! Your video's been especially useful as I've just discovered relative control for sim, and it's a game changer. I have one question though, my main kick out of war thunder is jets, and I noticed payload makes you **significantly** drop the nose, is there a way to save two presets of trims ? Or, if I do set it up payload-less, and then trim-up during my flight toward my target, will the reset trim key get me back to "flight test trim" instead of "factory trim" ? Btw your stream oozes chillness, which completly fits the vibes I got from sim battles, that one dude in the comments is right

@WingalingDragon

Жыл бұрын

Usually most jets come with a SAS (Stability Augmentation System) mode you can toggle. I recommend dampening for normal cruise, manual for dog fighting, and auto level for bombing runs. When using dampen or auto level, your trim is overridden by computer. Trim only works in manual mode. But to answer your question more directly: no, you cannot save two trims. However you can almost always adjust your elevator trim after you dump your bomb loads. Glad you enjoy the videos! o7

@Kojakofthelake

Жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Thank you so much, SAS helped so much, I'm no longer fighting my plane, it's reactive when I want it to, and smooth when it needs to. I even figured out the IFF without a single TK ! :D

thanks

man that's some beard, lol so I've done the switch over to keyboard and mouse and loving it... but now to figure all this out lol question- this one pilot was telling me he's got a command that causes his plane to do an evasive maneuver when someone is on his tail, but won't share lol, any ideas?

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

That sort of cheesed flying is not really practically useful across different types of planes. At the end of the day, they are probably just binding a specific set of flight control inputs into a single key. A competent pilot can simply fly the plane. I imagine they have something like max left rudder, max left aileron, and max negative pitch all bound to one key. I doubt it's as extraordinarily useful as they might make it out to be.

@l0rdcroissant

3 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon I think that's about right, lol. his will bank to one side. like braking as one takes a turn.

Dang I've been using auto, I got to figure out how to utilize radiator and prop pitch etc...

@WingalingDragon

Жыл бұрын

To be clear, you don't HAVE to learn how to do Manual Engine Controls (MEC) The times where MEC is beneficial are not all that common. Auto does a pretty decent job almost all the time, but certain places can squeeze out a bit more performance with manual help, such as cracking the radiatiors slightly more open before the engine gets too hot. MEC really comes into play when you've taken a lot of damage and need to get as much glide distance out of your plane as possible. Auto mode will feather your engine if that is available, but it won't reduce your radiators nor prop pitch. If your auto mode feathers for you, you don't have to reduce prop pitch, but Auto mode will always try to cool your engine (even if it is dead). So on MEC you can force the engine radiators closes even if the engine is piping hot, since you know there is no sense to cooling an engine you'll never get back anyway. Without feathering, your best bet to glide further is to drop your prop pitch to 0% which will be as close to feathered as you can get.

Bro i watched this and the other video about controller settings i went from not evn bein able to play now i can load no problem nd compete

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely fantastic to hear and is the type of comment which makes all of my effort worthwhile. Thank you for taking the time to let me know. I look forward to sharing the skies with you and having you shred my wings off soon! o7

Hello, could I ask why my trimming can't increase gradually, and they just go to +100% and -100% when I try to hold my axis on the joysticks and goes to 0% after I released my axis? I'm using warthog.

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

You need to disable "relative control" in your trim settings. Double click elevator trim, use the options underneath. There is a setting that says "relative control" flip that around until the two options at the top that say max/min say increase/decrease. You also want to "keep value of disabled axis" if you have something bound to enable the axis for inputs. This may not be necessary if you don't have it set that way.

@planckzhang3423

3 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon thank you

@planckzhang3423

3 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon it is solved

hello, i don't know if youll see this but is there any way to get rid of the transparent square in the middle of my screen? its for trimming

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mean the mouse joystick border reference? That only shows when using mouse joystick mode. To make it disappear, you would need to use a console controller or a joystick. If you're already using those, then go to the control menu and change your mouse mode to view or none, that should make it disappear.

@shrekrecker

3 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon wow thanks man, youre my hero

Unrelated but, I've had trouble with the zoom controls. I used to have it to where i'd hold and let go of the zoom key, but when my controls reset I have it to where its click and i have to click again for it to unzoom... If you have any help that would be nice!👍

@WingalingDragon

Жыл бұрын

Clicking the zoom and unclicking the zoom is how mine works as well. If you set your zoom (Air axis) to be relative control (toggle in the submenu) you might be able to go back to holding and releasing zoom.

I fly test the A6M6 and it has aileron trim control but when I join a battle, the control isn't available on the plane. Can you help me?

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Go to test flight and trim the ailerons there. Then "trimmer fixate" the settings to save them. When you enter a "real" battle, the aileron trim you dialed in will be the new default setting.

@grahamnavy7117

2 жыл бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Will you be able to fixate at multiple altitudes and speeds so that you can have fixations at all areas?

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahamnavy7117 nope, trim is a constant adventure. Everytime you change anything about the plane, new trim is required. Your "fixated" trim should just be your most used trim configuration (for me that is a cruise climb)

Can someone tell me how to save the trimming settings on console? Because I don’t really know how

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Bind a button called "trimmer fixation" Then press it when in a test flight after your trim the plane. That saves it.

Why do I death roll immediately after turning?

@WingalingDragon

2 жыл бұрын

You're pulling back too hard on your elevator and not using enough rudder.

Hi what are those headphones ? 🙂

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

Astro A40, I love them!

Werid...I trim the plane, save the changes and all, I try to do a like 45 degree turn while leaning all the way to the right, then plane starts spinning and I crash......before dying to a goddamn turn, I flew like 2 minutes perfectly with that black ball staying in the middle. Thx for the video tho, it was helpful, but for me, I won't touch simulator with planes even if they gave me 500GE for every game.

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12k views and 300 likes 😥

@WingalingDragon

Жыл бұрын

I forgot to tell people to "like and subscribe" lolol

Nah fuck this sim is hella complicated for some reason my trims are different every timewhen i want to change them

@WingalingDragon

10 ай бұрын

Trim is a non-stop endeavor. I am constantly changing my trims during flights as my airspeed changes. As your airspeed goes up, trim becomes more effective and you need to dial it back to accomplish the same effect as before. As your speed goes down, trim becomes less effective and you need to increase it to maintain. This video simply shows how to "pre-trim non-adjustable surfaces that you can have "locked in" during the fights. So you just pick a speed that you want everything to magically align and trim for that particular speed and orientation. That is why I trim for a cruise climb... because that is what I am almost always doing. If I'm not landing, taking off, or actively engaging in a fight... I'm cruise climbing. So my rudder/aileron trim will be slightly out of whack when I'm diving... but I only dive for a few seconds and can easily just adjust with my stick while I roll my elevator trim. Trim isn't all that complicated once you get the hang of it, it becomes another muscle memory. But it does take a bit of time and patience to acclimate to it. It isn't worth the effort for everyone, and if you choose to give up on Sim... all I can say is, thanks for giving it a try and we will always be glad to have you back if you ever decide to give it another go. Best of luck! o7

@hyperhabu

10 ай бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Thanks man, being on console and having Stick drift while trimming the plane with a Single stick is pretty hard but i guess i'll try once more.

@WingalingDragon

10 ай бұрын

@hyperhabu your stick is drifting? Like your console controller is dying? Or what do you mean exactly? If your stick is doing inputs without your consent because it is going bad, you may be able to reduce it by using a little bit of deadzone. Additionally, I was confused on one more thing you said. How are you Trimming exactly? Did you watch the console controller setup video that I have? You DO NOT want to use "trim aircraft" button (which is the default). If you're using that and becoming frustrated by it, I am not surprised. It is why I've spent so many years telling people not to use that function AT ALL. The only way you ever want to trim is to manually input each value on each surface one tiny notch at a time. Use the D-pad to control your trim and set it up so that each click of the D-pad adds or subtracts one % of trim for that surface. Up-D does -1% elevator Down-D does +1% elevator Right-D does +1% rudder Left-D does -1% rudder For the next part, you'll need a button combo. Something like the A, X, O, R3, or Triangle button... whichever works best for you. Button combo + Right D does +1% aileron Button combo + Left D does -1% aileron Using "trim aircraft" with a single press will try to attune ALL THREE trim surfaces to whatever those three surfaces current deflection values are. It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to be accurate with it, which completely defeats the purpose of trim entirely. It isn't just you, it is just a terrible system that never should have existed in the game to begin with. It has confused thousands of people, which is why I am here to discuss it with you and help make you aware that... you're not bad at it... the system you're using is bad! If I'm off base on this and misunderstanding you, please elaborate a little further about what is going on and I'll see what I can do. But based on what you've described, my gut is telling me that the above method will resolve your issues.

@hyperhabu

10 ай бұрын

@@WingalingDragon Thanks for All the Tips, the trimming is working now. Do you happen to know how to assign deadzones for the pointer steering? I can't find it anywhere.

@WingalingDragon

10 ай бұрын

@hyperhabu should be in the submenu of each axis. Like if you want elevator dead zone, double click your elevator axis and you'll see a deadzone slider in that submenu.

Most probably outdated as there are no more trimming options.

@WingalingDragon

Ай бұрын

Should not be. Some aircraft "seem" to have no trim, but they have mechanically locked trims. Those are available in test flight. If it isn't available in test flight at all, then that particular aircraft may be missing some trim tabs (some super early aircraft don't have them)

@WingalingDragon

Ай бұрын

Here is a more up to date video that will go over it more thoroughly: kzread.info/dash/bejne/maGc286unrzbo9Y.html

Good video, marred by the pointless, speech-drowning music.

@WingalingDragon

3 жыл бұрын

That's the oldest version. Here is the newer one, it's still old but better. Might be time for me to remake a new version of this. kzread.info/dash/bejne/maGc286unrzbo9Y.html

Why is trimming such a pain in the asshole? Can I just fly a plane without tourette's?

“If the plane is rolling like that you wanna cancel that out”.... well NO SHIT!! HOW?? Plus or minus trim for right side vs left side?? Basics please. It’s like trying to teach someone how a AA battery works yet NOT explaining positive negative. You tell me out to save my trim settings. I don’t have any cause I didn’t learn shit from this

@nothingnewtome1

4 жыл бұрын

Wingaling Dragon thanks man.. I’m the guy who gets halfway through the first video and then starts backseat driving haha. Sorry. Thanks for the link!