Actually "Caravaggio" is the name that was given to it by Trenord which is the company you traveled with (Green and White livery), while Trenitalia, our national railway company named it "Rock" and gave it a Black, Yellow and Blue livery :)

@tenny_tenten

3 жыл бұрын

Hitachi officially use the nickname "Caravaggio" because Rock brand is used by Trenitalia, not Hitachi.

@marcodamasio

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-es3fl3yr9u they're two different trains. The "Rock" is the one ordered by Trenitalia with the blue-grey scheme on the inside and black, yellow and blue livery. The "Caravaggio" is the one ordered by LeNord with the green scheme on both the outside and the inside. The one in this video is one of 5 "Rock" trains used by Trenord and with the "Caravaggio" livery, but it's technically a different train

Nice insights into this new Hitachi train. I think the lime green colors used by Lombardy are quite fresh.

I'm from Como! lovely place! even better at the main train station! feeling now homesick! ;( thanks for sharing this video!

During a holiday a couple of years ago, I went on the other line with the old stock and agree with you that it desperately needs replacing.

@corbinvickers9993

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if there is a comment similar to this somewhere but in Italian and regarding the great British Pacer. I’d imagine that train would be a shock for anyone visiting the UK 😆

@Danse_Macabre_125

Жыл бұрын

​@@corbinvickers9993 at least they've sodded off

Thank you for an excellent review ! A really good train, serving a wonderful area. I too prefer the earlier Trenord livery ! These units should be compared with the new Siemens Class 462 part double deck units now in use in the Ruhr area, and Basel/Karlsruhe. They too are excellent !

Awesome! I travelled with this train on its inauguration day on the same route exactly 1 year and 1 day ago :) On the inauguration day the trips on the S11 line Chiasso (CH)-Como San Giovanni-Milano Porta Garibaldi where the trains were introduced first were free all the day! I miss Italy and its trains and i hope to come back there next year!

These are definitely... odd looking trains by the looks of it. One thing I'm especially surprised by looking at most pictures and videos of it are the big lack of windows in several parts of the train. It does look well lit inside however so I hope this doesn't become an issue in the long run.

Great video the brand new train has a very open and airy interior which is good for regional trains and also charging ports which is essential now we are in the golden age of technology apart from that I have heard great things about Como if I'm ever in Italy have to check that out!

Hi! Thanks for the video :) Since I live along this route ,I used to take those trains often So, let me explain a bit The interior, is the same of the trenitalia ones only in the first five units. The other 95 ones will have a Trenord stile interior. Seats will be the same, but in a "smoke/pollution" colour instead of blue, and thankfully with much attention to the windows so not to have rows without window like in this one Two units with the Trenord seats are actually entered in service but on the RE2 Milano-Bergamo line which... I never use so I haven't try the Trenord seat configuration one yet. I think, the older "strong" green was better, then this light green, but since the trains are rarely cleaned, at least is the new livery not white so to get the uncleanness a bit more hidden, because is really a shame to see trains in the old white livery becoming slowly totally black/smoked At least, the new livery is really bright and Lucent on sunny days (which are rare in Lombardy except for the lakes area :) ) Yes there is a electric bike rack on the train but unfortunately... You can't carry bikes. Since there is apparently a problem on some evening trains with a lot of glovo or something else riders trying to bord trains with thousands of bikes, bikes has been forbidden on Trenord The result, is that riders are certainly continuing to board evening trains with thousands of bikes ,but everyone other isn't allowed to use train with a bike, which means that a lot of users, especially on summer periods, especially on the lakes won't take the train because of this, and will carry their bikes on cars. In 2020 transport authorities should make everything possible to bring back passengers, that doesn't happen in FIAT-land-Italy which is kind of a "European America"

Nice video! This train looks very nice, it reminds me a bit of NIM express. I haven't ridden a double-decker train in Italy yet, but I've already tried the oldschool train that was next to your train before leaving :-D

Como is incredible - I’ve travelled to the region once before briefly for work and was looking to come back on holiday this year, but obviously Covid intervened! Another enjoyable watch. Be honest - were you late for the train at the start 🤣

The building at 07:29 is Como's Cimitero Monumentale (cemetery).

Am I the only one that actually like the design of the Hitachi Caravaggio EMU? I think the train looks really futuristic both inside and out, and the livery partnered up with the train's nose makes it look like an arrow!

@meantares

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen the train in real life. It does not look nice. And also not futuristic. The sleekness you are referring to is not there. Also, these are probably AnsaldoBreda designed trains. The company now belongs to Hitachi. The thick door frames are really repulsive. And it seems to be an aerodynamic disaster.

I used one of those older trains in 2019, for the duration of the Italian Grand Prix weekend I travelled between Milano Centrale (Porta Garibaldi for the Sunday) and Monza

9:21 I don't normally take the S8/the Hitachi Caravaggio. I usually take the Besanino/s7 line... but man, I love the Hitachi Caravaggio. I catch it when the Besanino is delayed or cancelled, or if I'm going to Milan. I love everything about it; the telescreens, the double floors, the colour scheme, the air conditioning (the S7 line has some wagons which are not air conditioned). The Treno ad Alta Frequenza is still used on the line from Monza to Milano Centrale (although I don't recall where that one's from, maybe from Bergamo? I could be wrong. I just know that it arrives at Platform 5 in Monza), but that's not my jam. I don't like the colours; they look really outdated and just from another era. Nice video, earned a sub! Edit: at 9:50, is that the ALN688? I've never really taken the Besanino before they replaced all trains with ATR125s... and yet I did use to normally take it in my commute around 2020, and I've NEVER EVER seen an ALN688.

@SuperalbsTravels

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, that's a set of loco-hauled carriages, just a very ugly set.

l like the dark green livery too

I'll love a trip report on the SBB Pendolino... was there a TGV at Milano P. Garibaldi?

@marcodamasio

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! TGVs operates between Paris Gare de Lyon and Milano Porta Garibaldi

nice it's quite interesting looking at how different railways are in different countries and their similarities to the UK

Don’t be a stick-in-the-mud! They look great! Eye-catching. Modern. New! Good review. Thanks.

7:29 That's the monumental cemetery of Como

Does Hitachi love trains in Italy. Looks like they really do. I think that Hitachi not only manufacturing new trains and rolling stocks in the UK and Europe. And they are still building trains in Japan. But also they may even build trains and trams in the USA, Canada, Australia, Brazil, China, India, Russia and anywhere.

The building is a cemetery and why do you describe the Pistoia factory as notorious? Good video and Im also glad that those awful old boneshakers are being replaced and not before time.

@jimmenycricket4598

3 жыл бұрын

I'm also wondering why the Pistoia factory is described as notorious. Is there something we're not being told?

@nanderv

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmenycricket4598 They built multiple extremely shitty trains. The Danish IC2 and IC4, as well as the Dutch V250 Fyra were delivered in a state so broken that the trains took years to get fixed, and in the case of the V250, the Dutch just gave up on it (after the Belgians said the train would not get permission to run there, because it didn't pass safety standards). They are fine if you either want trains that can't go over 100 km/h, or you don't mind that your trains catch fire, lose parts and/or brake too slow (running through red signals).

An explanation about why the interior "looks" identical to Trenitalia "Rock" trains: the batch of trains this Caravaggio belongs to was actually booked from Trenitalia TPER (Emilia Romagna), but Trenord managed to get 5 of their trains (through auction discount and some other bureaucracy stuff) in advance to start replacing old trains earlier (like the one with E.464 you recorded at the beginning). The "real" Caravaggio have different interior design with green seats and some design variations here and there (and the lack of bicycle racks at the time of writing!!!).

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting! Any pictures of this anywhere?

@intraversata7930

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperalbsTravels Here you can see an accurate review www.ferrovie.it/portale/articoli/9889 I want to make a video review of the Caravaggio as soon as anti-COVID allows me to reach that train (they don't run on the Como-Milano, usually they use the Trenitalia version you filmed :), but sometimes they use the "real" Caravaggio even here ).

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

Looks good actually!

Did you do a trip report also on old train?

As of 2024, "Rock" trains, along with "Jazz" and "Pop" ones, have almost completely replaced the older trains (at least here in Abruzzo). Also, the Trenitalia Rock's livery is much better than the Trenord one

Why are Italians so good at trains, these look great

@antoniozanon4137

3 жыл бұрын

The truth is that you get good at trains only if you invest in them. Lombardy has invested a lot of money in its railways in the last 20-30 years and the results are evident, while in other regions the railways have declined. Still Trenitalia has managed to renew most of his rolling stock with newer trains.

@oliverstemp9132

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoniozanon4137 It puts the United Kingdom to shame. I think it's because European trains are built with the customer experience as a priority, and all the UK cares about it profit

@Filippo.E464

9 ай бұрын

Trust me, Older regional train in Italy are better than new. At the first impression they look fantastic but they are full of problems.

As a Japanese, it's lovely to see Hitachi trains running on the continent, but that exterior design…🤔 I heard that it was designed in Italy, but I wish the trains had "older" design…😑 At least the interior looks nice and practical😃

@arichis

3 жыл бұрын

Designed and manufactured in Italy by Hitachi Rail Italy (HRI) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Rail_Italy at their Pistoia factory. HRI used to be AnsaldoBreda before it was bought by Hitachi.

@NSE465

2 жыл бұрын

Despite it being by "Hitachi" theyre AnsaldoBreda. Hitachi just bought the names and....thats it. Kind of sad for both ends. Hitachi having 2 different standards and Ansaldo dying. :/

Me gusta y me encanta el silencio. Es eléctrico con catenaria?

@massimopalomba5009

3 жыл бұрын

Sì, claro.

here in Lombardia we always complain about Trenord service (delay, old dated trains) i hope these new regional trains improve the situation

@SuperalbsTravels

Жыл бұрын

I hope so too!

2:00. Same motor as athens metro line 1

It didn't seem to rattle like the 800s which means there must be some quality control at Hitachi after all - just not for the British trains.

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

There were some minor issues, the window blinds for example, but overall seemingly a well made train.

Ok you got me. Why is the Hitachi plant in Pistoia notorious?

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

It's well known for making complete garbage trains. Search up Fyra V250, DSB IC4 on Google, or my video on GWR 802.

Nice to see sun and warmth after shoveling this snow here in the NorthEast US.

How fast are they, what's their top speed

Does anyone know if these trains have got First Class accommodation and are there any toilets on board?

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

No first class, yes toilets.

Why are they blocking window seats? Surely those are farther from people in the aisles, etc.

@hilariousbenjamin5614

3 жыл бұрын

They usually block one window seat and the opposite corridor seat, so that two people sitting diagonally in the remaining seats are the furthest away from one other. (A configuration most agreeable to grizzled commuters like myself XD)

Towards the beginning of the video, you mention the Hitachi Pistoia factory calling it "notorious". What makes you say that?

@attenzioneallontanarsidall7940

3 жыл бұрын

is one of the oldest railway companies in europe

@nanderv

3 жыл бұрын

​@@attenzioneallontanarsidall7940 No, that's not what notorious means. Their main-line trains are known for having lots of issues. Just ask the British, the Dutch or the Danish. Their metro-trains are fine, but don't ask them to build anything quicker than 100 km/h or it will be delivered with, or swiftly develop, serious faults.

@drdewott9154

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanderv Even their trams are incredibly faulty, The ones they built for Gothenburg have had incredibly notorious rust issues, and the ones they built for Oslo are literally breaking the tracks! If it wasn't for the fact they own a 40% share in Copenhagen's Metro operating company I'd be dang sure they would've invested in another kind of rolling stock even if their light metro cars are the least problematic things in their portfolio.

@attenzioneallontanarsidall7940

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanderv inform yourself before speaking and repeating stereotypes like a parrot.

@nanderv

3 жыл бұрын

@@attenzioneallontanarsidall7940 No worries, I did inform myself. That factory makes shit trains.

May I ask why Hitachi Pistoia factory is described as "notorious"?

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! They were also responsible for these two very terrible trains: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2V11pWFfafFgbA.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIyhy6Oxm8nSoNY.html Thankfully, the latter is now rather quite good, but as shown in the video, it had a very troubled beginning. These Caravaggio units seem to be pretty good for quality, overall.

@toscanatrains3846

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperalbsTravels Did you know that before Hitachi bought the factory in 2016 and company it was owned by AnsaldoBreda who built italian trains since about 1920. I prefer the Alstom Coradia sets like the Minuetto as supposed to the Caravaggio/Rock though!

Aside from the ugly colour scheme for the livery, I actually really like the exterior design. The interior is really nice too!

@SuperalbsTravels

Жыл бұрын

Haha the livery is certainly intense!

Let's say I am third.

Italians must think that their country is ugly, so they ordered trains with lots of seats without a window. (This is, technically, partly because of the big pocket-sliding doors, next to which there is a windowless space of more than a meter wide. But above the doors there's no window either.) For doubledeck trains Stadler Kiss still sets the standard for me. (Even better in the Swedish version which is wider and more comfortable)

@SuperalbsTravels

3 жыл бұрын

Have you used the Russian KISS or Caucasus KISS before? They're even bigger!

@uncinarynin

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperalbsTravels No but I have seen pictures and read of their measurements, quite gigantic indeed. In terms of locomotive hauled doubledeck trains I think Finland is best, again thanks to a very generous loading gauge.

@Lorre982

Жыл бұрын

This is on a commuter line, people use it to go work /university and back. 90%of trip is between industrial zone and high hinabitan zone, there is nothing to see, for me a huge windows on a train that pass between a factory an a 6floor building it is no sense

First 🥰

@TheRazzzzzzzz

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Beautiful train. I wish we had such trains in the United States.

Looks identical to a (or an) SBB CFF FFS train but perhaps I am wrong

@drdewott9154

3 жыл бұрын

I know for a fact they don't have this type in their fleet. I think you may be thinking of the Twindexx Express or "FV-Dosto" as they like to call it, which they use on Intercity and Interregional services. Probably the biggest difference between these trains and them is that those in Switzerland are built by the Canadian company Bombardier, while these in Italy are built by Hitachi Rail Italy, formerly known as Ansaldo Breda, which is the most scandalous rolling stock manufacturer in All of Europe.

I prefer the older scheme as well. You asked about the building at your leaving from the Como San Giovanni Station : it's the cemetery...

0:28 You call the Pistoia Hitachi factory “notorious” but never explain why?🤔

@nanderv

3 жыл бұрын

Because they made the new IC's for the UK, which are known for being rattly and generally poor, as well as the V250 Fyra trains for the Netherlands, that got taken out of service after three weeks (after being five years late in delivery), because it was unreliable to the point of randomly catching fire. They also made the Danish IC2 and IC4 trains, which are known to be crazily unsafe and unreliable. The trains they make look nice, but they lack quality control, so their units are all 'slightly different from one another' . Things like the rattle of this train are normal for them. I give these units ten years, after that they have deteriorated more than the fourty-year-old trains they are replacing. I hope they keep the old ones in spare, they will need them.

@FromtheWindowSeat

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanderv Ah - cool. Thank you for the information - really appreciate it. I live in Australia so not up to speed with European train manufacturing like I was when I lived in London. Good to hear what’s happening.

@jimmenycricket4598

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanderv Hmmm, interesting

@drdewott9154

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanderv I mean it definitely doesn't help that they always go after government supported bids, on which they deliberatey undercut the competition like Siemens, Alstom, Bombardier or Stadler, like they've done with the V250, the IC4, and the trams for Gothenburg and Oslo, basically saying they can offer a better product at a lower price. They then as the objective terms of the tenders go, win the bid, make their subpar products, often delayed by several years as well! And yet they still get tons of money in the form of bailouts from each country's respective government in order to fix their faulty products, meaning by doing this they actually earn much more money than with a conventional bid! It's all just incredibly shady and immoral and yet you can't really make this behavior illegal either way! And yeah the history of this company is wild, I mean heck one of DSB's IC4 trains suddenly disappeared while it was being rebuilt in Pistoia and a few years later it's found in Libya, after the italian government and Ansaldo Breda apparently took the train, DSB had paid for, without their permission, and given it as a gift to the dictator Gadaffi behind everyone's back!

@nanderv

3 жыл бұрын

​@@drdewott9154 Ah yeah, the wild Dictator Express, forgot about that one. You have to give it to the italians, even when they fuck up, they do so with style.

The top deck looks like a coach lmao

What’s happened to Italian design?

They look... odd. Nevertheless, the interior looks quite nice.

I think that building is a cemetery 😅

@patoaks3148

3 жыл бұрын

I mean the same as you...

Second

@petitkruger2175

3 жыл бұрын

Second

Che brutto questo treno perfavore!🤬🤬🤬

Trensud is better

The trenitalia livery is much nicer than trenord

@SuperalbsTravels

2 жыл бұрын

I think that I agree!

The interior looks nice. But the exterior colors are garish and the cab design is just ugly. 🙄