Trees vs Water - What Makes A Good Emergency Landing Site? Day 9 of the 31 Day Safer Pilot Challenge
Welcome to Day 9 of the Safer Pilot Challenge 2024.
In this video we look at how to choose the best landing site in an emergency and import factors to consider.
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9 for 9 - I play “the game” on every flight. One thing not mentioned is wind on emergency landings. As I play “the game”, I try to take wind into account as well …
@MzeroAFlightTraining
6 ай бұрын
So smart!!!
9 for 9, I have always been on the lookout for an off airport landing site and had to use a farmers field in the past with no incident to anything and was able to fly it out of the same field with no incident. Additionally the farmer was super nice!! Of course my elderly grandmother that was with me wanted to know why the cows were that close to the runway!!
Twenty - five years ago, next month, was taking a time building flight with a fellow commercial ground school chum. Three hour flight suddenly went silent, over an ocean bay ( Nova Scotia ), and we became a glider at 1500 ft. ( was passenger, so, NOT PIC ) Not a lot of time. Best option - peninsula ahead 1.5 miles. CRM used - aimed for two huge trees. Ripped wings off to decelerate. Fell maybe 10 ft. Six hours in hospital. PIC had cut to head. I had broken tailbone, a few cuts, and wicked bruising. Your comments on boots rings very loud with me. Fortunately, that didn’t happen. Location was someone’s backyard, so care was almost instant. EMS was on scene within minutes. Came to with military C130 overhead - had been training less than 10 minutes away. Every word you spoke, is gospel !!!!! Being vigilant is key, but as you say / never tell your passengers what you are thinking, unless they wonder, out loud, why you’re so curious about ‘What’s down there ?’ 9 for 9 Brian
9:9-Playing the game was hammered into me by my instructors and I am grateful. I have also talked my family through this, not to freak them out, but to take the “scary mystery” out of flying and let them know we always have options. Of course, I also stress that the game is very unlikely to manifest in a real emergency but that I will handle it on the odd chance it does.
@MzeroAFlightTraining
6 ай бұрын
So good!
9 of 9... I've played the "where would I land?" game since my instructor drilled that into me 30 years ago. One of the most important lessons I hope never to use.
9/9. Excellent! As you mentioned at the end of the video, the critical thing is to be able to decelerate as slowly as possible. "Leave a long skidmark" as they say. The more G's you can dissipate during the stop, the better chance you have to survive. Every extra foot makes a difference. One more point: aircraft owners sometimes try to save their plane. Don't even consider this. When that aircraft fails, it's only job is to protect the occupants (and those on the ground). Once the engine fails, the insurance company owns the plane! Skin first, then tin!
9 for 9……I made the mistake of playing the game with my CFI out loud: “If the engine quit right now, I would land in that parking lot”. They didn’t take too kindly and said they were superstitious. Even though they didn’t like it, they did say “Good job for keeping that in mind though”.
Thanks 9 x 9. I played that game even more flying across the ocean. Even multi engines can quit. Always have a plan.
9 for 9! Always playing the game on every flight. Best to have an emergency landing site and not need it than to suddenly need one and not have it.
9 for 9. I am doing this with every flight. "where would I land" My wife helps play the game, and I always enlist any others pilots with me do the same. Foreflight's glide rings are a great aid!
I play this game as well. I recently flew a single engine plane from SRQ to MTH and decided to follow the coastline. I did it in MSFS first, creating user waypoints for good beaches in ForeFlight. If I had engine trouble, we were going down like Mexican drug runners. 😂 I even packed a coconut bikini for my wife, and a leather loincloth for myself, so we could role-play for a minute.
9 for 9! One of the best investments in upgrading to dual GI-275s is getting real time wind aloft data and synthetic vision. I got my PPL in 1990 pre-GPS/ iPads/etc. While I believe in having a strong core in basic airmanship, I think its pure ignorance to not embrace all tech and tools in today's flying environment.
9 for 9 really interesting statistics. Love “the game” to make sure you’re always aware.
9 for 9. For mountain flying besides watching for the open field, we want to land in the lower terrain... because you will likely be there at least overnight, it is warmer in the lower terrain, there are more people down low, and you will likely be found sooner because the ground search and rescue teams can get to you sooner. Mountain Flying Aviation in Colorado. Jer/ Eberhard
You have to also consider differences in the aircraft that you are flying. For my aircraft (a composite canard), it's actually recommended that you choose roads over fields, as historically speaking, the outcomes for forced landings in this type of aircraft have been far more favorable when landing on a hard surface. When it comes to ditching, it's completely different: being relatively lightweight, and constructed of foam core composite, these aircraft FLOAT - so as long as you land in a way that prevents the aircraft from breaking up, it will happily float all day afterwards, while you activate your ELT and PLB (you carry those, right?). Even if it does break up on contact with the water, you can pick the largest remaining piece and sit on that, because again - it floats. Oh, and I have been playing "the game" on every flight for decades. :) Having modern avionics with a glide ring makes the game much easier to play.
I asked a pilot friend of mine when I was in flight school the question 'how often do you look for places to land when you're flying?'. His response was 'always'. Nine for nine.
9/9! Love these videos!
9 for 9. I listened to a Canadian bush pilot explain if it is choice between trees or water choose the trees. Landing on water could be like landing on concrete and you could be knocked unconscious and if the plane sinks your dead.
9 of 9. Excellent analysis! My old instructor started "The Game" with me from day one. Also talked of "Following the Jolly Green Giant's footsteps" (open pastures in and amongst the wooded areas) on cross countries. Have ridden through on forced landing when we suffered a propellor blade failure in cruise on our way home from Oshkosh. Father-in-law did a wonderful job of putting us down on a rural Iowa highway in his Long EZ. The late summer cornfields weren't a good option as they were mature and 6' tall. Trailered the plane to the town's airport (where we were gliding towards), checked everything out, made some minor repairs, put on a new prop and we flew it home 3 days later. Met a lot of nice people... :)
Great comment about the stats potentially being skewed for roads, because we only hear about the incidents where there was injury/damage and not the successes. There is a famous story of World War II bomber survivability where analysts plotted the areas on returning bombers which had the most bullet holes, and decision-makers wanted to reinforce those areas...UNTIL someone noted that the areas where the returning bombers WEREN'T hit were the more vulnerable areas, because bombers that were hit there didn't make it back. Personally, in the event of an engine failure I'm going for a major (multi-lane) road where available, especially at night, because they're more likely to be illuminated so I can better gauge my touchdown vs. setting a descent rate into pitch-black terrain and continuously bracing for impact.
Nine for nine!! Great videos, keep them coming…all good reminders and always new nuggets to take away! Thank you Jason.
9 of 9! This bad weather we're having in NE Illinois/SE Wisconsin has me grounded, but your videos keep me learning. Thanks, Jason!
9 for 9 another great video with some facts. Thank you!
At first I was surprised by the low fatality rates cited, then I remembered this is about forced landings and not CFIT and inadvertent VFR into IMC. Thanks for the stats!
9/9. Thanks Jason for the great insights that you are providing!
9 for 9. Great information with useful statistics that I hadn’t heard! Thank you for keeping the great content coming!
Wonderful data and discussion! Thank you!
9-9. thanks for the content and all the work that goes into it- in the plane and behind the cameras
9 for 9 Jason. Loving the videos. What I love is your dedication, concern contributions towards the teaching fellow pilots to be safe. You are not out there to make a quick buck. I am trying out your online ground school and I think it’s fantastic. I am sure many more feel the same way as me. Keep doing the great work you’re doing!
9 of 9 done. Really good information here but one thing that is not mentioned is the altitude factor. I personally like to fly as high as possible, especially if it's a cross-country flight. The way I see it the higher you are in the event of an engine failure you have altitude on your side to help you scan for a suitable area and having the longest glide time possible to find the best landing site and reach it. Planning can also help. Along with flying at a high altitude I also like to plan my route so I can fly over or nearby any airfields depicted in the charts.
9 of 9 ! Have to say Jason this is the Aviator channel that just keeps giving. More CFI tips would be great .
@MzeroAFlightTraining
6 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend!!!
Great video, thank you! 9/9
9 for 9 Great info and great teaching!!! Thank you Jason!!!
GREAT conversation. Thank you.
9 for 9, had to catch up on the last 2 videos Thank you Jason!
9 for 9, always on the lookout for a emergency landing spots. Great tips Jason.
9-9. Great info
9:9!!!!! Loving this content
9 for 9! Interesting stats. We have "played the game" since we started flying in 1997. My husband and I are both pilots, so we frequently have the conversation out loud. We fly on the west coast, so every flight is a mountain flight. There's a lot of unforgiving land, but looking for the best option is important. Thank you again!
9 for 9. Great video, and great statistics to keep in mind while flying!
9 for 9! Great as always! THANK YOU Jason! ET
Catching up after the weekend.
I remember going with my son and his instructor on a flight. He covered this, and I wont ever forget it. Keep scanning.
9 for 9, great stuff thanks!
9 for 9!!! Always great videos!!
9 of 9 … great aviation safety info. With each lesson I become a better pilot.
9/9 this video is so valuable!
9/9... thanks for the stats!
9 FOR 9 Jason - a great video series - Thanks !
9 for 9 - Great data! Thanks for the insights!
9 for 9. My “written” exam contained a question regarding the differences between minor and serious injuries. I had completely forgotten the details, so I appreciate the refresher in case the subject arises in my upcoming checkride. Great video as usual Jason.
9/9. Great videos. Since most of my flying was in the plains states (KS, OK, NE) I looked mostly for open fields of which there were plenty.
9 for 9. Thanks to you Jason, we are " Always Learning " Bob
9 for 9. good stuff Jason.
9/9 my instructor always puts this in out thinking when we fly, and now anytime I'm up with other pilots I always think the same . Thank you for the amazing videos MzeroA team!!!!
9 for 9. Thanks for this Jason
Yep, I play this game too. I always wondered trees vs water, since I live near mountainous terrain with frequent lakes.
9 for 9 !!! Absolutely love these videos …especially the great advice that you offer Jason…THANK YOU!!!👍
9 of 9!
9 for 9. Great info, thanks!
9 for 9. We always play the “where would we land” game! I’ve been looking forward to this video. I’ve often wondered which options were better than others. Thank you!
9 for 9. In south Florida, my CFI mentioned to look for the white roads - either roads with traffic or shell rock canal roads. The fields unfortunately are likely muck and not going to be a smooth landing. Great video and thank you for the statistics.
9 for 9 Thanks man.
9/9 ..sound advice and great food for thought…
9 for 9! Thank you! Great information
9/9! Thanks for pushing the comfort zone a bit… I like that you’re talking worst case scenarios.
Great hearing the data, some of it is surprising.
9 for 9. Also my favorite game to plane on XC. But water for me 100%, less risk to injure others.
9 for 9! A video that we hope we don't have to 'use' but very good knowledge to keep in our minds. I play the same game in my head -always looking "where could I land?" (but I also expect my instructor randomly to pull the power back and say "Engine failed! What now?" -He does that almost every flight 👍 (or simulated engine fire)
9 for 9! What great information-thank you!
#9. Lot to consider,
9 for 9, thank you Jason. Thank you for the tip on using a shoe as a door wedge.
9 for 9, I don’t mind a longer video when it covers this type of flying information great job!!
9 for 9 - Great information!
9 for 9. I also play this game looking for a suitable emergency landing site. In the mountains you really need to know your area and route.
9 for 9. the recent new intro is awesome
9 of 9 and interesting stats!
9 for 9. Terrific summary analysis. I’m always playing the game. My G1000 has a “nearest” feature that you can keep displayed and watch your nearest airports change inflight.
9 for 9!! Roger That! Thanks Jason !
9 for 9 loving the information
9 for 9. I also play “the game” on every flight. Thanks for the statistics, I was surprised with water landings as I have always put that at the bottom of my list of places to land.
8 for 8! I’m going to start practicing this with my students again. Simulating an emergency over an airport and getting them to get us on the ground. See what it takes to actually hit your spot when you really need to! Great video!
9 for 9, Thanks Jason
9 for 9. All caught up. Enjoyed every video.
9/9 really good video. So many decisions to make, having to decide the best in an emergency is hard but key. I play the best place to land game allllll the time. Thanks Jason!!!!
9/9. Missed a coupla',days - catching up now. This was a really good one.
9 for 9! Great video to give your input on where to land in an engine failure scenario!
Helpful video Can you make more of these in different variety’s? Thank you
9 for 9! Thanks! MZeroA!
9 for 9. Good stuff
9 for 9. Excellent video and good statistical information. Thanks!
9 for 9. Important game for sure, always looking for possibilities.
9/9.Hello from HELLAS.
9/9!!
9 for 9 love this topic
9 for 9! Always looking for the next spot!
9 for 9. Ver y informative and useful.
9 for 9. Things are going great. Cant wait for good flying weather.
I play the game with my inner bush flyer! I haven’t yet landed on a dirt or grass strip but think about it everything I fly over a flat looking field maybe with a farm road on it.
9 for 9. Been struggling with emergencies lately so this really helped!!