It looks like the king on the first shot was the only target Joe Gibbs hit. Is that correct? If so, it's a very impressive shot given the distance of 140 yards, but it doesn't seem reliable.

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

HI Benjamin, Yes it was the only strike, but of course in reality at that distance he is not really aiming at individuals, because of course with a 3-4 second flight time people don't stay put anyway. So on one level, the individual level, I agree with "doesn't seem reliable' - it's not reliable on the micro level. However, if that were the King showing there it would not just be Joe, but his 20,30,40? nearby mates who would all change whatever they were shooting at in a heartbeat and with Joes level of accuracy that combined effort would I suspect very often create a macro effect that was very effective.

@williamromine5715

Жыл бұрын

@@tods_workshop And, of course, there would have been many bow men firing multiple arrows quickly.

@engineeredlifeform

Жыл бұрын

@@williamromine5715 Yeah, Joe could have loosed all of the arrows he had in the time took to prepare and loose one trebuchet shot. It was very sporting to have the same number of shots, but if it had been just based on time, Joe would have dialled in his shots and scored more king shots.

@raics101

Жыл бұрын

@@williamromine5715 And, if Game of Thrones taught us anything, there might even be multiple kings to shoot at.

@molochi

Жыл бұрын

Joe could also have shot a lot more arrows than the trebuchet could launch stones and he was shooting cold. His group size seemed pretty darn good to me, just a little high. It's not like a rifle, where you can bench fire a sub MoA group, though.

Tod a lifetime ago I studied Aeronautical Engineering, I have forgotten most of it but some bits stuck. The surface of your bowling balls are smooth so the slightest spin down will produce lift up or a spin to the left will cause lift and a turn to the right, etc. The solution with golf balls is the dimples to break up this lift and make them fly straighter. I think the medieval rocks had a natural rough surface so they never had the problems you are getting. A boring day with a counter sink on a drill press or some other way to rough up the surface could help your range and accuracy problems. Good Luck 🙂👍

@youliahadzhidimova5260

Жыл бұрын

How did this comment not get more attention? But ppl are willing to waste time arguing with some guy in the comments who said you could see coming arrows and repel them with a sword.

@troydowns7748

Жыл бұрын

This is a really good observation and would make a big difference!

@galgamekthegreatlord4823

Жыл бұрын

This is the only answer that needs to be replied to.

@Vikingocazar

Жыл бұрын

I so want a redo on this based on your explanation!!!

@NevetsTSmith

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking from the beginning myself that the smooth surfaces and the finger holes would affect performance.

As a mechanical engineer by profession; I adore your knowledge Tod. You've got a so rare mix of practical and theoretical skills, and also a willingness to share and teach. Awesome video, thanks!

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and I love the engineering and technology of these things, well pretty much anything and this channel just gives me all the excuse I need to mess about

@thorwaldjohanson2526

Жыл бұрын

Tod you have probably already seen it, but there is a video on KZread about a guy building a supersonic trebuchet (small, shooting ball bearings). But it really goes into the engineering and the optimization of all the variables. Super fascinating.

@VinceW187

Жыл бұрын

Could not agree more

This was extra fun as Tod went through the entire loading process in detail. I said it last time he was on this channel, Joe's loosing pose is so picture-perfect when compared to some manuscript illustrations I've seen. The crane shot of the trebuchet from above is amazing.

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and it was a good demonstration of the loading, but as you say, Joes technique is picture perfect to 1386 or whatever.

@Intranetusa

Жыл бұрын

Justin Ma's Way of Archery channel has a great video called "The Draw" that explains postures and muscle useage for heavy drawweight archery and explains why Joe's posture is like that. He uses pictorial examples of Joe Gibbs and other historical archers. Joe Gibbs even makes a comment on the video praising the explanation.

@euansmith3699

Жыл бұрын

@@Intranetusa Cool. I'll check that video out. The tension in Joe's body is very evident as his muscles and bones slot in to position.

@euansmith3699

Жыл бұрын

@@Intranetusa That was fascinating. Thank you.

@Festoniaful

Жыл бұрын

That crane shot came out of nowhere and blew my mind

I feel so bad for Tod. He FINALLY got a hit on something, and Joe wins with a headshot.

@TheMaulam12345

7 ай бұрын

it touchs the king remember he wears best armour

@zachjordan7608

3 ай бұрын

@@TheMaulam12345 unless the king is richard the lionheart who was unarmoured when shot with a crossbow

Boom! Headshot! That was an amazing shot from a war bow. That was also the best the trebuchet had ever done. I can't wait to see more.

no channel fills me with as much absolute glee when i see a new video appear in my sub box as this one, actually grinning like a child at the title

@ArniesTech

Жыл бұрын

Of course, this is like Man Cave Playyard Level 5000 🤣💪

Joe Gibbs deserves a lot more recognition in the archery community. What a boss

@davecarsley8773

9 ай бұрын

He's also a fantastic racecar owner!

Congrats on finally getting a hit! As someone who dabbled in archery a long time ago, Joe's shooting was amazing! To get close at that range from cold is an achievement never mind hit the main target! The thought of a couple of thousand of him shooting arrows at you is terrifying!

@Leopardts

Жыл бұрын

The pallet armed forces are quaking in their boots thinking about multiple Joe Gibs, they haven't even gotten over the loss of their King yet! haha

@Tennouseijin

Жыл бұрын

The pallet knights are thinking "you killed our king, we surrender! Why do you keep shooting at us?"

There aren't too many people in the world who could do what Joe does, and his modesty is amazing. It is on par with Tod's contagious enthusiasm about everything!

Ended the war on his very first shot. Legendary.

Crazy first shot from the archer! I continue to enjoy your trebuchet content, hoping you can dial her in even further.

@zarahandrahilde9554

Жыл бұрын

Its rare that something on youtube can make me audibly gasp. That is an AMAZING shot!!!

I think your Trebuchet is doing really well for accuracy, its just that the target requires more precision than maybe irl. If you target a castle and the shot goes long, it'll land in the courtyard, if it goes even longer it hits the rear wall, bounce back and still land inside the castle. If it goes exceptionally long it might even hit the top of the far wall, so there is much more leeway for a hit, especially in distance.

@Yorick257

Жыл бұрын

Just like in Stronghold. A trebuchet is for destroying fat towers. A catapult is for walls. Archers thin out the crowd before foot soldiers get into the fight

That over head shot of the trebuchet firing was amazing

Joe's accuracy on that first shot is on another level.. Holy crap!

@senatorjosephmccarthy2720

Жыл бұрын

Holy what?

@davidryke113

Жыл бұрын

@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 Holy crap. It's when you see shit that you can't believe is real, so you stick your finger in it to confirm and end up making a hole, thus confirming that the crap is now holy after confirming that it's real. It is indeed the holiest of craps, because I myself have checked several times in disbelief.

"This is my little toy bow. No, I don't need a warm-up, I won't break a sweat. It's not my 200lbs proper bow." Joe (probably). Meanwhile my muscles are aching even thinking about 140lbs draw weight and probably couldn't hit an actual castle at that distance. Nice one gents. Neither Joe nor the trebuchet fail to impress when joining Tod's brilliance.

Joe Gibbs is an artist.

That overhead shot of the trebuchet firing alone was worth watching the video.

What a fantastic drone shot on that third try by the trebuchet!! That's one for the all-time highlight reel.

It never fails to give me such joy: "Tod and the Trebuchet"! This was special today because - hurrah! Tod hit one knight with the trebuchet! One for the books! And two near misses, touching the pallet-wall. As for Joe: words fail me, he surely is the king of the longbowmen. Whenever i see him using the longbow I am fascinated that his posture is repcisely the same as we can see in so many contemporary drawings. Well done all round - and thanks!

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it

@euansmith3699

Жыл бұрын

I bet that knight would have preferred not to get a bowling ball in 'nards like that 😲

@Seelenschmiede

Жыл бұрын

Once I was a knight like you, but then I got a bowling ball to the knee!

@greatnoblelord

Жыл бұрын

it's just that Joe's height is too small for such a bow, if he were shooting from a compound bow, then he wouldn't have to bend so much

@Diogenes2077

Жыл бұрын

Well if he'd use a crossbow he wouldn't even have to train that much but the point is, he invested all the training needed to effectively shoot a 140lbs English warbow. Also I strongly believe that his posture isn't due to his size or the size of the bow. I believe the posture to be a result of bio mechanics. To control such a monster of a bow the perfect posture is needed and apparently that's what he does after 23 years of training.

The drone videos of the trebuchet firing were fantastic to watch! You were SO close to hitting them this time! I look forward to seeing a slow motion capture of when the trebuchet finally hits its target with full force!

I always enjoy the passion for the craft that shows through in this series. One little thing that cracks me up though, after all the talk about how much work it is loading the trebuchet, once the cameras are away it's poor Jenny we see working diligently in the background (13:35) preparing each shot. The unsung hero.

@sanityormadness

Жыл бұрын

Tod is truly following in the footsteps of his mediaeval forebears by getting the apprentice to do as much of the grunt work as possible!

Dude, never bet against Joe Gibbs's first shot. In the full plate video, he slipped a fatal shot right under the breast plate. First shot here he hit the king. What a badass.

I think that your hit on that one guy with the trebuchet could also have been very devastating to morale as well, since that shot would have taken out a chunk on battlement along with the man and just a couple of meters from the king. Especially since they know that trebuchets aren't usually that accurate. They would have been quaking in their boots. Well played, love the video.

@christopherreed4723

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the aspects a lot of people seem to overlook. When you heave a rock at a section of masonry with the kind of forces that are involved here - whether that's a trebuchet or a skein-powered catapult or a sinple throwing-arm device like an onager - you will get some pretty significant fragmentation. Not just of the rock, but of the battlement as well. A rock of that size hitting a crennelation on a wall will have a good chance of shattering it outright, with some pretty ominous implications for anyone standing nearby. Also don't discount the possibility of being knocked clean off the wall by a nearby impact. Luck was with you, Sire! You were not hit by any rock fragments! Unfortunately, they moved the manure pile to the other end of the ward last Michaelmas, so you fell onto hard earth. You win some, you lose some, hope you didn't do anything too naughty since the last time you took Confession...

Absolutely ridiculous that Joe can shoot that accurately, at such a flat trajectory, to 140 yards. Simply astonishing testament to Joe and the power of that warbow.

I cannot get over that shot from Joe. Just how?!

Trebuchet: I finally hit someone😃 Joe Gibbs after just waking up, goes for a morning loose and snipes the king: Good one there, not my best but decent👍 Brilliant episode today. Love that you all teamed up. Thank you💖

I feel like what you'd ideally want with the trebuchet is having the projectile impact the ground a number of meters behind the target, so the flight trajectory intersects with whatever you're trying to hit. Even the longest bowling ball shot was still landing in front of the castle and rolling on with a tiny amount of the energy the flying ball would have had. A 10m tall castle wall would be a far more forgiving target to hit, but you'd still need to aim well past it to deal any real damage.

Absolutely love your stuff tod!!!

You hit something! Congratulations :) Those shots were amazing and it was fascinating to see the loading process. Joe's shooting was great too. I imagine the bow is "An arrow with your name on it" while the trebuchet is more "To whom it may concern".

Great work Todd and crew. Always good to see Joe too.

It’s like Punkin Chunkin but with bowling balls, love it 😂 The trebuchet has featured regularly in this 🎃 chucking contest, launches them a long way, awesome to see!

"If it goes up in the air, keep an eye on it and be ready to jump out of the way!" Wise advice :) Tod, it was a great idea to show you explaining whole procedure to Louee. Sometimes it's worth to bring someone fresh just to serve as an apprentice. Not only it was interesting to learn the small (for you surely obvious) details that are important for the shot preparation, but also got me to even more appreciate how much time and force you spend for every shot! Thank you.

@rafindeed

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, as a concept artist that do this kinda stuff for games, it never went through my mind how much labor it takes to fire a trebuchet. Amazing content and mechanism. There’s a reason why this machine is of the favorites of the internet.

Do you think one of your stronger crossbows could've made the shot? I'm sure they've got the accuracy, as you've talked about them having fewer variables than bows in an earlier video, but if I recall correctly, crossbows aren't as great for long ranges as bows (I believe Mike Loades talks about it in _War Bows_ ).

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Yes it could have made the shot, but the bow itself blocks the view in a way that a longbow does not, so long shots are harder with a crossbow even though they are inherently more accurate. But it could 'make the shot' in the same way that I could with a longbow - lots of chance involved!

This was really fun to watch. Tod, you really showed your experience of what to adjust to make improvements. This film really put an all day smile on my face.

Always love seeing the Trebuchet, and of course Joe, in action. Great stuff!

I could watch Joe and Todd all day, just brilliant guys all the way.

I love it when u & Joe compete... Joe's AMAZING with his WAR BOW SHOTS!!!

Fantastic results love these videos, the work that goes into them is incredible, absolutely fascinating work

This whole series is wonderful, and Joe is something else..

Quality is over the top of youtube, Tod!! so good!

Enjoyed watching the full loading process; I'd never realised from your previous videos just how involved it was. Also at 24:50 seeing that the ball had pushed the pallet-mounted soldier back a good half metre I was pretty impressed. Cheers Tod.

Tod, I've spent the last few hours watching your videos on arrows, armor and trebuchet. This is not an area of particular interest to me but I have been entertained and more importantly I've learned a lot. This was time well spent for me and I thank you for the education and for the time you and your cohorts have spent in researching this data and making the videos.

Great show! Great Joe!

Tod, i enjoy watching you have fun, but I really love the massiveness of the arrows.

Very entertaining! Thanks!

Great video Todd and the team

It's always incredible watching these two war machines work c:

It's so cool to watch passionate people to do their work! respect to all of the production team =)

Great work

Great Video as always!❤

Tod. This is better than anything on the history channel. Keep up the good work!

Hi Tod. So gripping! When I retired I built a trebuchet for my grandchildren to enthuse over. Same style as yours but half the size. It would sling a cricket ball about 55 yds. When we put it on a platform on two rollers, this increased to over 70 yds. Fascinating and fun! Thanks a lot. JC

That was fun. Great video. Thanks guys!!!

EPIC VIDEO TIME - seriously the title is just legendary and I cant wait to see what happens!

What a lot of fun. It's absolutely inspiring watching Joe shoot those giant bows that accurately at that range. Just awesome. Needless to say, it would've been amazing to see one of those trebuchet shots smash thru the middle and take out 3 or 4 defenders, but as Tod says, so many variables. And likely in a more accurate simulation, there would've been a lot more people and things to hit in the vicinity... it's likely at least a few of those would've done some damage, and they'd all be making the people on the receiving end pretty damn skittish while they're dodging flights of arrows from the Joes of their time.

nice info and good video

Fun stuff! Thanks, guys.

That longbow headshot and the trebuchet grouping were great!

I'm staggered! Loved this episode.

That was a fun watch, as always. Congrats Todd on the marksman style trebuchet hit! Joe is just phenomenal with a war bow! That shot was right out of a movie! Joe turns up and ends the battle before it starts, then departs for a bacon butty (I would imagine) 🤣

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

That sounds about like him

@PalleRasmussen

Жыл бұрын

@@tods_workshop he just seems like such a kind, humble, nice and chill guy. Would love to sit for a pint with your enthusiasm and passion, and his quiet confidence.

You can just feel the energy every time that trebuchet launches something!

Brilliant!

That trebuchet shot from above, wow!

Was in the process of watching the other guy's video you mention which was just posted a short time ago when notification about this one popped up ... Guess I can pause it and watch this one first lol

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

I haven't watched theirs yet, but hope both are good

A bowling ball to the knee at a hundred meters would certainly render you battlefield ineffective, even if off a bounce. Absolutely brilliant video.

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

This was awesome!! Imagine 100 Joes firing at a time. 🤯 Another thought came to me, at that size of trebuchet your crew is well within lethal range of Joe type archers on the battlements. So much fun guys. 👍

@adambielen8996

Жыл бұрын

Well if enemy archers were a concern you can set up a palisade in front of the trebuchet to protect the crew.

@SMac86

Жыл бұрын

@@adambielen8996 Thats true, although it would have to be a tall palisade if archers are firing from an elevated position on a wall. I would say build a bigger trebuchet that can fire from out of effective archer range, which is probably why most would be larger than this.

Tod you know what we need now, is an Onager .... I've been waiting for a proper one. Your the man, thank you for everything

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh - I would like to

JOE! Never disappoints.

Just incredible that such a flat trajectory for the arrow achieved such distance and accuracy!

Todd+Joe=Great vid.

I just thought of your video on greasing the arrows and how it seriously changed the results of the impacts. Perhaps, if you weren't doing it already that is, greasing the wood on the trebuchet might change the distance of the shots? As always, quality video's and research Tod, you brighten up my day every time you upload!

Awesome video bro!

This sounds like it is going to be great!

''That's a different film'' .... just perfect

Tod I think the problem with your Trebuchet is the ammo. Bowling balls are not designed to be thrown there designed to be rolled. There's a weight in the ball that's off-center on purpose. When you throw it through the air it sends it all over the place. If you roll it on smooth ground it can be aimed. It reminds me of a toy I got from KFC it was a beach ball and you put water in a small compartment. When you threw the ball it went all over the place. Next time you use your Trebuchet spoil yourself a little and use solid shot you might get better results. It looked like great fun. I have a question. Did they ever use scattershot instead of one ball. So a pouch filled with many small stones the size of billiard balls creating a shotgun effect.

I love how the youg ones whant to make it feel spectacular and Tod and Joe keep it real "what cango wrong? Everything" "The best shot of your life? Is a good shot".Great content,no silliness.

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Love it! So very true, we both have a sense of reality before entertainment

@poja82

Жыл бұрын

@@tods_workshop I believe it comes with working with weapons, you must have a sense of reality, even when you are having fun.

I've honestly learned more about history watching these videos than I have watching official history channel videos. Good job all.

One of the best things on youtube!

Awesome!

Today Todd has a video on not one, but two of my favorite things from history.

Well done chaps! Congrats on your first hit!

I can't believe I missed this video 4 months ago. Bonus for the night before bed!

Rarely do I hop on KZread and get genuinely excited to watch something. Ty for the content slightly jealous looks like amazing fun Really enjoyed the detailed explanation of loading process trigger function and touching on theory of on site construction.

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it.

From the drone footage at 14:40 it looks like your biggest source of variance is the release mechanism, the sling only releases on one side and add some randomness to the shot as it slips off the ball. I think if you'd get better consistency with a more symetrical sling design, maybe with three legs, two in the front releasing at the same time and one in the back to keep the sling on the mashine. idk, hit or miss I'm going to keep watching this channel :D

@tods_workshop

Жыл бұрын

For reasons I have yet to understand, the machine shoots a few degrees off the line it should. It is on a slight slope and that may be part of it.

@IamOutOfNames

Жыл бұрын

@@tods_workshop Might be that the throwing arm isn't fully straight, if you look at 11:05 and 14:45 looks like it's leaning to the right a bit when it's upright. At 14:40 when arm is down it's leaning bit to left. Any sort of sideways wobbling of the arm would explain lot of the inaccurasy.

Love this machine

that overhead shot of the ball may have been the best shot Ive seen in all your videos Ive watched over the years

That was super cool!

Different weapon for different situation. Good to see both of these being demonstrated in the real!

Great Video!

The trebuchet finally hit something !!! Really interesting video as always.

I have loved long bows since i can remember. Something about those big books with castle cross sections and what not of battlements and such.

Fascinating video, shows the skill of Joe as an archer, who has shown how arrows could pick out individuals, whereas Trebuchets were powerful siege engines, and of course could do a large amount of damage against large targets such as walls, towers and the like. Put them together, and the destruction would be very impressive I think! One question, as I'm sure others have no doubt also been asking - any update on when we are likely to see the 'Longbow vs Armour 2' video? Many folks waiting for it, including me! :)

Finally a hit on the target! Congratulations, Tod!

I'd love to see larger walls set up as hitting fortifications it seems to be intended for that. MOAR PALLETS!

Great Vidwo Todd, I love your Trebuchet, every single time best entertainment. But sorry, Joe's shooting is even more impressive (at least for me as being an archer myself) 😉

That has to be one of the craziest bow shots I've ever seen!!! First shot, through the head, Thats some Robin Hood skills there!!!! hahaha And the Trebuchet always looks so mighty in action!!!!

Watching Joe shoot is always as much as a pleasure as watching that trebuchet swing!

wood, rope, earth, ...rain, sun, wind, ....to hit anything with accuracy I think would take many years of experience . your videos are great thx !

Watching all Todd's trebuchet videos has highlighted on thing to me more than anything. That's why they persisted with early cannons that would occasionally blow up and kill the gunners.