I think Jason is right... the overall skill level of NBA players is much more advanced than even the best WR/RB in the NFL. It's not about athleticism, or stamina, we know NFL guys have loads of that, it's being able to dribble and shoot at an NBA level.

@JJ-rz4pz

Жыл бұрын

On top of the skill component its the height disparity too a big nfl player at 6’5 is a guard in the nba

@jordan8199

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this + the height/vert requirement

@JJ-rz4pz

Жыл бұрын

@@jordan8199 nfl players have higher verts off average amd the highest recorded vert

@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same visa versa also to an extent , have you seen some nba guys run routes & try to catch a football , they look very silly 🤣

@jrdb04

Жыл бұрын

@@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozentrue but it’s easier to develop the skill to catch and release on routes then to dribble and shoot plus atleast from a wr aspect a lot of them are bigger stronger taller and jump higher than most dbs they would kill

Jason said “my brother got e court side seat” like it’s not Travis 😂😂😂😂😂

@oomshaka6683

Жыл бұрын

It might not be

@tylersamuel5021

Жыл бұрын

@@oomshaka6683 he literally said “everyone Jason doesn’t have another brother he’s Talkin ab me”

@oomshaka6683

Жыл бұрын

@@tylersamuel5021 you never know dude

@tylersamuel5021

Жыл бұрын

@@oomshaka6683 he literally said it tho so u quite literally do know

@oomshaka6683

Жыл бұрын

@@tylersamuel5021 nah man you never know

I remember I heard a story of Randy Moss being a top basketball player in the country, went to a basketball camp that Kevin Garnett was also at, they played one on one. Randy Moss said that's when he choose to fully stick to football, so Jason's argument does make sense...

@thesecondlemming2619

Жыл бұрын

White chocolate played highschool ball with moss.

@sebastianlang6314

Жыл бұрын

Bump randy tee higgins was top 50 in the nation and had offers from unc

@floridabeacheshighdefdrone1371

11 ай бұрын

That was on KG’s podcast!

@dash4800

11 ай бұрын

Doesnt really support that argument though because thats vs a hall of fame guy. It doesn't mean he couldn't even make a team. I think it's, more of what Travis said, do you want to be elite at one sport or mediocre in another. Despite what Jason said, most guys would rather be a top football player than a bench warming basketball player.

@kylemadison1296

11 ай бұрын

@@dash4800 It does support the argument because Moss specifically mentioned that he realized when he went to that camp that he just wasn't on that level. He just knew the best basketball guys were levels ahead of him so he stuck to football.

Are people forgetting that you need to be able to dribble, handle, and shoot the ball at an elite level? It's not just running and jumping lol.

@elizabethgeorge168

Жыл бұрын

There's definitely exceptions to the rule. Like Roberson on OKC, Ben Wallace on the Pistons. If you can play defense, you can play basketball.

@gunny-lneck4352

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethgeorge168those guys are elite all defensive team level players. Roberson only stayed for a couple seasons and was out the league after his injury even tho his defense only slightly regressed. Big Ben was in the slowest paced era with the rules predicated towards defense. No NFL guys is a starter in the NBa

@kay9ine175

6 ай бұрын

​@@elizabethgeorge168That's not an exception. Defense is still a skill. Andre Roberson was super skillful on the defensive end

Jason is 100% right. If an NFL player was good enough to play in the NBA, they would. There's more money, fewer long-term health risks and far superior career longevity. I also don't think Travis understands how big NBA guys are compared to basketball players. Derrick Henry would look small compared to the shooting guards and small forwards in the league. That size, athleticism and coordination are just on a different level.

@chloethacker

9 ай бұрын

Travis wants to be black so badly

@cameronbernardo

9 ай бұрын

Derrick henry is 247lbs thats in the upper half of the nba (pf and c mostly), he is a but short at 6’4” but weight hes in the ballpark

@trapmuzik6708

6 ай бұрын

​@cameronbernardo charles Barkley was 6 4 250 so it's possible but he was extremely skilled Henry is unskilled that's the issue NOT his size

@apeters38

Ай бұрын

Right former Bucks Offensive Tackle DeMar Dotson who is 6’9” played basketball in college he went to a very small school but was a bench player he knew that he had no shot at playing in the NBA. He went out and played one year of football as a backup Defensive lineman. He ended being invited to try out as an undrafted free agent to the Bucs. He went onto become a very good offensive tackle. This shows that it is easier to make the transition from basketball to football player.

The problem is the skills don’t translate the right way. Lebron James has the ball skills to catch a pass, but there’s no shot Julio Jones has a handle that wouldn’t get stolen immediately or a shot that wouldn’t brick every time.

@josephparkes6412

Жыл бұрын

I thought the skill component was taken out of it? You need to have shot something like 10,000 shots a week to have a passable shot. If you took Lamar Jackson aged 12 and made him practice basketball 6 days a week, I could see that. But taking a 22+ yo who has barely any basketball skill would be impossible

@Trepur349

Жыл бұрын

Lebron would probably be a backup TE in the NFL tho, like it's as you said, a totally different skill set needed And that goes both ways

@sampayne3576

Жыл бұрын

Lebron couldn't make a team He is extremely soft.

@weatherelectric3212

Жыл бұрын

@@sampayne3576 lebron was the number one ranked te prospect, if he had gone to the nfl he’d have been an all time great

@Mike-ud6hd

Жыл бұрын

@@weatherelectric3212 lol some people think Lebron is a god i swear

I get was Jason is saying about players choosing the NBA over the NFL, NBA contracts are way way way way more favored towards the player, they get payed more, less injury prone and contact intensive.

@RogerGoodeII

Жыл бұрын

Outside of QBs, yeah

@coachholden

Жыл бұрын

Most importantly, all Guaranteed money. Aside from QB and Tyreek/Davante, The highest paid NFL player contracts are comparable to mid-tier NBA athletes

@mahersalthomas1739

Жыл бұрын

NBA is for Softies and always have been. Basketball players get babied from AAU all the way NBA. Sitting out games. NBA requirement nowadays is just height 😂

@deadprecidents

11 ай бұрын

@@mahersalthomas1739it’s height and more skill then any position in football, but yeah if you want to simplify it. NBA players have way more skill then any NFL player. QBs have intelligence and a good deal of skill but for the most part nfl is less skill oriented and more bruising.

@samkellogg2805

10 ай бұрын

@@mahersalthomas1739they get paid more haha cope

Randy Moss has a video explaining how Kevin Garnett blocking him in high school led to him focusing on football

Jimmy Graham his senior year at Miami averaged 19 minutes a game, 4 PPG, 6 RPG, and 1 block. He only started 9 of the 30 games. There's no shot he's making a NBA team, he would get eaten alive.

Tyreek is listed as 5'10 but I'm gonna call shenanigans on that, he's 5'8-5'9 on his best day. You have to be especially gifted at basketball to make it into the NBA at that height. Unless he's got handles like Muggsy or Iverson I don't think he sniffs the NBA.

@plontulublalulu

Жыл бұрын

Nate Robinson did make it so it's possible. But you have to be absolutely freakishly gifted and skilled

@JM-uw8vz

Жыл бұрын

5’8 according to his combine measurements when he was already 22

@rx4000

Жыл бұрын

Reek was ass have you seen him play ball

@elizabethgeorge168

Жыл бұрын

Isiah Thomas is 5'8" and was an MVP candidate before his hip problems

@ryszardsikora6894

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethgeorge168 the second he wasn't one of the best offensive players in the league, he basically was out of the league, like, he could probably give you like 15 a game right now with some good 3pt shooting, but no team will sign a guy who's that much of a liabillity defensively, unless he's like, one of the best offensive players in the league, because it's simply not worth it

I'm glad they're talking about this. I always see the opposite being argued online. A lot of NBA guys could easily make the transition to the NFL and honestly most of them would be star players. On the flip side there are very few NFL players if any that could make a NBA roster let alone be a star player.

@sampayne3576

Жыл бұрын

Not a chance. No NBA player could "easily" make the transition to the NFL Who are you even talking about? They don't have the skills to play in the NFL You know nothing about sports

@pikatura_23

Жыл бұрын

@@sampayne3576 no its really easy actually.forget nba players,every year a lot of college basketball players became a nfl tight ends just like this.

@sampayne3576

Жыл бұрын

@@pikatura_23 they are stars? who are they? lots of basketball players become NFL stars? It's actually easy? Start naming them I will wait clown

@sampayne3576

Жыл бұрын

@@pikatura_23 you know nothing about sports

@sampayne3576

Жыл бұрын

@@pikatura_23 a lot? no they don't. A lot of TEs aren't even drafted every year let alone crossovers from basketball You make baseless claims. Name all of these star TE's that crossed over from basketball Also the original comment was about NBA guys but please continue with your trash comment. Lol

Jason is 100% spot on. NBA hardest pro league in America to make and it's not close.

There are NFL players who could compete athletically with NBA players, they just wouldn’t have the skill the compete since basketball skill is years of repetition

I love that Jason can actually be honest about this subject lmao. The size and athleticism is ridiculous

@amulyashekhar2999

10 ай бұрын

Much more ridiculous is the skill level, honestly. A lot of NFL guys have better verticals than NBA guards, they just don't have the handles.

Both Randy Moss and Cris Carter had opportunities to to play basketball in college in pursuit of an NBA career and both admitted that they ultimately chose football because they realized it was much easier to make an NFL roster. Folks just don’t understand how good NBA players really are. Remember, Basketball is a sport that you can play all day and all year from the time you can tie your own laces. So the amount of reps you can get to develop your skills and dexterity is far greater than in football which is just a seasonal sport. So a football player who hasn’t been committed fully to plying basketball since being a youth, has almost zero chance to just switch and catch up to those who have.

100% agree with Jason. The NFL is full of incredible athletes but the NBA has the best athletes in the world. Their size, speed, hand coordination and the cardiovascular fitness.

@mrmacross

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the best NBA athletes are necessarily better than the best NFL athletes. If anything, in terms of raw athleticism, the NFL guys have to be at least as good. They are obviously stronger, but the best NFL guys also outjump and outsprint almost anyone in the NBA. The bigger issue is that NBA skills are so specific. Look at it this way: the least athletic guys in the NFL are generally kickers, punters, and traditional pocket passing QBs. But their skills are so specialized that you can't trade athleticism for skills for those positions. In the NBA, unless the dude is 7-foot, you won't tolerate a freak athlete if he can't shoot, dribble, pass, etc. In short, the more specialized the required skill set is, the more you're willing to accept modest athleticism. Luka Doncic and Kevin Durant don't wow you at a combine, they wow you with their basketball-specific skills.

@daltonmoore233

Жыл бұрын

@@mrmacross absolutely absurd statement

@daltonmoore233

Жыл бұрын

@@mrmacross No league of athletes out jumps NBA players Lmao.. I’d really say it’s not close besides maybe Olympic level jumpers

@mrmacross

Жыл бұрын

@@daltonmoore233 Please look at combine results. You don't have to look further than the 2023 combines. A lot of NFL prospects surpassed the 40" standing vertical leap. Not one NBA prospect cleared higher than 36". Something like 65 NFL prospects at the combine jumped higher than anyone at the NBA combine. Now the NBA also does a running, max jump (the NFL combine doesn't), and the 2023 combine leader hit 43", but from a standstill the best leapers in the NFL do better. Both the NFL and NBA publish combine results so you can see for yourself. EDIT: Just in general, track & field has a greater crossover history with the NFL than the NBA.

@justwondering1967

11 ай бұрын

The NBA has the best athletes suited for the sport of basketball and no others. We all saw where Jordan’s athleticism in other sports ended (baseball cough).

Jason is right there are some high level football players that in athleticism can compete, but for NBA skill not a change an NFL player can touch the nba

1700 players in the NFL vs 450 in the NBA. It is much harder to make one over the other and one pays way more than the other as well.

@elevatedinnature

Жыл бұрын

I agree with what you’re saying to an extent.. but there are more than 5 positions in football, nfl is maximum of 20 games a season, nba is 80+ games.. basketball isn’t brutal like football but they do have to play way more games per week/season

@Smith9082253

Жыл бұрын

@@elevatedinnature NBA players are also much easier to endorse as well because people can see their face even if they're a bench player, they'll still be known. While in the NFL quarterbacks are The easiest to endorse because they're usually the most known players on an NFL team. That's also how a team determines how much a player is worth some players win you championships and some players sales tickets

@ankansenapati3600

10 ай бұрын

​@@elevatedinnaturewhat about the longevity and CTE

Tony Gonzalez was the starting forward at University of California. His teammate was Jason Kidd. He played NBA summer league He might have made the NBA but I think he made the right choice

@jw3638

Жыл бұрын

Tony was too short. He was a 6'4" power forward. He could bang inside at the college level but he didn't have the athleticism to play in the NBA. I'm friends with Tony's teammate at Cal. He'd say the same thing. Tony did score everywhere though, on the field, the court and definitely off the field/court. Only Charles Barkley was able to get a way with being a short power forward in an era of big men where power forwards and centers are 6'10"+. Draymond green is 6'7" but has a 7'3" wing span.

@RandomPlaceHolderName

Жыл бұрын

@@jw3638 Yep, too short to play forward, too slow to play guard. Gates was the same.

@trevorpullen3199

10 ай бұрын

Yep. He's about the height of the average NBA PG. NBA players are absurdly big. Most NFL players that are talked about as possibly playing in the NBA are the size of point guards. There's just no way they're ever going to have the skill level to sniff an NBA roster. The NFL doesn't have 6'-10"-7'-0" super athletic guys that could maybe make a roster to plug in and defend/rebound. They're all too short.

Matt Barnes was a role player that played over 12 years in the nba. Coming out of highschool he was a much better football player than basketball player but chose to pursue basketball in college because of higher earnings and health.

My Man knows exactly whats up. Every NFL player would love to play in the NBA.

@1yungez

Жыл бұрын

yup less punishment and more money

@SomeChink

Жыл бұрын

every NFL player would play in the NBA if he was actually good enough

@2011hwalker

11 ай бұрын

NFL has much bigger ratings than the NBA though....the hype around football is bigger. No one gives a f&ck about last years NBA finals, it was a snore fest and not talked about outside of b ball fans.

@deelak2329

11 ай бұрын

@@2011hwalker Everything you said has nothing to do with what I said. ALL NFL players want to be NBA players.

@beerbatreps3861

11 ай бұрын

​@@2011hwalkerterrible take

I love the dynamic between you guys! It makes these so fun to watch.

Charlie Ward was a Heisman Trophy winner that became a decent player in the NBA. Oh, don't forget Allen Iverson was a blue chip HS recruit for both Football and Basketball. If he decided to play football in college, he would definitely be in the NFL.

@eatcrab9565

Жыл бұрын

That is kind of Jason's point. If they could play in the NBA, they would play in the NBA. Better money, less physical punishment, also hella easy to build a brand and market because you don't wear a mask. There are guys that most American never even heard of raking in ad money in China or Russia

Yeh I agree with Jason. I played in a mid tier euro pro league after averaging 10ppg/6rpg/1 steal in 24 mins a game at a top D2 school ( sixth man of year type numbers 50% fg , 86% free throw etc..) after one season and winning a pro play off final I managed to get invited to a g league scrimmage/ closed trial type situation.. at that time I had never played at a level where I didn't feel like I belonged. G league is full of players who were the best / second best players on big time / mid major D1 schools and the guys that moved to to winning 10 day contracts are crazy big, good and strong, quick everything. I decided to resign in Europe 😂😂😂 that's a true story

What they don't realize is the INSANE size difference. Davante Adams, is 1 inch shorter than Steph Curry, Myles Garett is the same size as Bradley Beal, JJ Watt is the same size as James Harden, Gronkowski is the same size as Kobe and Calais Campbell (tallest player in the NFL) is the same size as Paul George. Can you imagine ? Myles Garett is a freak athlete but on a basketball court he moves like a center while being the size of Bradley Beal...

Everything Jason said was right especially with tyreek no chance tyreek even gets on the court

Charlie Ward could have played in the pros. He might have been a journeyman, but he was an NBA starter for many years.

I remember once I got tickets to an Orlando Magic game and was about three rows up. They all look average size on tv, but when you are within 20 feet of them, they look HUGE.

@bernardo9202

6 ай бұрын

Saw an interview on the all stars with shaq and wembanyama, shaq looked tiny, charles barckley looked like an dwarf and kenny didn't even get up, some of those dudes are super giants

Put Jason out there on the court, Sixers! We got nothing to lose!!

@johnben93

5 ай бұрын

🤣

He's so right about how different it is to see NBA guys play in real life vs on TV. In my first NBA game I was shocked at how fast the game actually is. You don't really understand how inhuman everything is watching at home

Mo Allie Cox for sure he played D1 college basketball and was good at VCU but decided to play football because of his size

@bernardo9202

6 ай бұрын

You have players that had all the skill and lacked the height, like the professor, i don't know his real name. Many in the nfl don't have neither the skills neither the height for it

these two created a fantastically entertaining podcast/youtube series love it image a world where ESPN held respectful "discussions", like this and not screaming talking heads, talking over each other... 😁

It's so refreshing to hear people telling the truth about their sport. NFL players are incredible athletes, but they're not on the level of NBA players for the most part.

@bernardo9202

6 ай бұрын

Imagine them going to see South africa vs New Zeeland live. They would shut up about nfl right away

Jason is right about the big guy positions, but probably plenty of guard talent that would crossover. Charlie Ward was just a better PG than QB, and sounded like Barry Sanders would have been a stellar PG.

@tristanp5605

Жыл бұрын

barry is too small to be a guard in the nba, he would be a liability on defense

@jozz2248

Жыл бұрын

@@tristanp5605 There used to be guys his size, but you're right: not too many these days. Taller guys have nicer handles than they used to. There were some stories about how good he was, and wouldn't put it past him in a different era.

@notmarealnameboi

Жыл бұрын

I disagree about Ward. He was a better QB than PG. He was great at FSU.

This would be such a good mini series to make. Let NFL players walk on to NBA tryouts & record the tryouts & interview the scouts. Will never happen but damn it would be fun to watch.

There are some WRs who I think have the right body type who if they were able to develop sufficient enough ball-handling they could come off the bench in the NBA. Many WRs actually played basketball in college too. Look at Drake London on the Falcons who is 6'4" with over a 40" vertical who played basketball. If he really committed to improving his basketball skills, he could play in the NBA.

@X5J2UY

Жыл бұрын

No shot. If he committed in his youth, sure. But you won't just learn to have good enough handles to be able to play in the NBA. Hell, look at Jalen Brown, who is considered an elite NBA player. His handles are more than solid, but got completely exposed in the Playoffs, because every other player on that level has ELITE handles. That's the big difference between American football and basketball. Basketball is a lot more skill-based in terms of small motoric skills. A WR is probably the most suited for the NBA in terms of physical abilities, but not skill-wise. WR's jobs are running routes and catching a ball. A basketball player could more easily learn to do the job of a WR than otherwise.

@JJ-rz4pz

Жыл бұрын

@@X5J2UYi agree with everything u said until the end, i dont think nba players have the body type and athleticism to play skill positions in the nfl outside of a few guards like westbrook and Mitchell theyre either to long or not athletic enough

@FedorMachida

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ-rz4pz There have been quite a few college basketball players that have transitioned to the NFL as Tight Ends and have gone on to have great careers. As for NBA players, Lebron would be an awesome Tight End, imo Pat B. a Safety. Ja Morant a Slot Receiver, if he learns not to post Instagrams with a gun. Zion as a Defensive End. Ben Wallace from the old Detroit Pistons Shaq, any position on Defensive line

@TheMrMasterChief12

Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of guys who are 6'4 with a 40" vert who have been playing basketball all their life who will never sniff the NBA

@newagain9964

Жыл бұрын

Maybe London could have ended up playing in Europe or something. But Jason is 💯…if any player actually could have made NBA, they would have. Better career

Sixers need to sign Jason. I need to see 6 well earned fouls

I'm honestly with Jason here. If their skills at basketball are legit enough for them to be able to play a role, then it would be a pretty each choice to go NBA if you consider pros and cons.

NFL: Power, Speed, Explosion, Agility, Technique: needed in most players depending on position you take some up or you take some down. NBA: Agility, Speed, Extreme hand eye coordination, Spatial Awareness, Stamina, Explosion, Technique on Dfense and offense required of EVERY player. American fball is certainly the more physically demanding but basketball takes far more in specific skillsets required for all players to have.

Several things make it more difficult to be in the NBA then the NFL; 1st is that their are only 435 spots on NBA rosters vs 2208 spots on NFL rosters/practice squad and this number grows when adding on the large amount of players that go on IR and the fact that training camp rosters are 90 so plenty of chances year. Also football has such a wide variety of skill sets when comparing positions position, you could have very minimal athleticism but be brilliant and great at throwing and play QB. In basketball you need to be at least average at each skill; shooting, dribbling, passing, awareness, side to side quickness, etc. the only exception is if you are a force of nature like Shaq. Randy moss is arguably the greatest athlete in NFL history and he gave up on basketball pretty early because he saw the path to the NBA was going to be very difficult whereas he destroyed everybody on the field.

Jason is right. If they could play in the NBA, they would. Different level.

@ryanb9305

6 ай бұрын

Randy Moss could’ve been an nba player. In High School his team mate was Jason Williams and Randy was the player of the year. Just chose to play football instead for college

Jason is right. NBA players get paid more, their careers last longer, and the game is much less physically damaging.

Lmao LeBron is the reason I stopped playing basketball. I played him once during a summer in high school and realized I wasn't able to play at a high enough level to compete with great players.

@newerest1

Жыл бұрын

isn't that like kind of crazy weak, like you got that demoralized by playing against a literal top 5 all time player, sounds like you just gave up because you wanted to quit lol

@davidrobinson1929

Жыл бұрын

@@newerest1 he’s top 2 at least don’t short change em💀

It's a little unfair to compare salaries and positions though. Because an 8th man in the NBA still means that you're among the Top 240 players in the entire league. Also, basketball players need to play both offense and defense. So you need to be both athletic AND skilled at various aspects of the game. However, in the NFL, you only need to be among the Top 1000 or so players, and you want to be more of a specialist at a particular position, than being athletic. Same with baseball, or even hockey. The skills involved are more specialized, so teams will sometimes take a less 'athletic' person, in order to get the 'fatter' guy who can throw a 95mph slider or balance themselves on skates.

You can ask former Panther Julius Peppers. He also played Ball back in his North Carolina days, both Football and Basketball.

@Hater20X

Жыл бұрын

Still wouldn't be a good indication. D1 College Basketball is childs play compared to the NBA. Every NBA player is a D1 College superstar. But most D1 teams don't even have 1 guy that is NBA level much less the entire roster

I agree with Travis when it comes to jimmy graham

Anyone remember Charlie Ward? Won the Heisman and went to the NBA and spent his career as a backup

NBA got the most athletic athletes on the planet, think that’s fair to say. Them guys are specimens

It’s not just the coordination and athleticism or even the skill to shoot and dribble. Success in the NBA is 50% mental, the ability to anticipate your opponent’s moves on defense and offense. Every year dozens of NBA players are drafted because of their amazing physical gifts but most flame out because they don’t have the smarts to fit into an NBA system, and the fact that they even got in means they were pretty dang smart to begin with.

I wish Jason would have mentioned Charlie Ward. That would sealed his argument. Imagine winning the Heisman Trophy and then playing the NBA for 10+ years!

@VJBILL1

Жыл бұрын

Totally forgot about him, but that was one of the rarest examples of an NFL ready player who happened to be good enough in basketball to play in the NBA. Even though he was better at football than basketball, he chose basketball because it paid better.

@Dyswtric2001

Жыл бұрын

@@VJBILL1 Agreed. I would just want to win the agrument. But to my knowledge there has been no NCAA basketball player of the year that decided to go play in the NFL rather than the NBA. Dude literally won the HEISMAN and said nah im playing in the NBA. I feel like that wouldn't happen today even Kyler Murray flirted with it, I don't think it was real.

Tyreek hill 😂😂 that’s BBQ chicken.

jason looks like flint lockwood's father from cloudy with a chance of meatballs. LOL love the show!

nate robinson....he put in work in college football and nba

Travis represents the large majority of the population that does not understand that insane level of athletes that are in the NBA, the combination of coordination, height, speed, and strength is matched nowhere else. Jason is right. That said, I think the proportion of NBA players who could play in the NFL is much smaller than you might think (LeBron plus a few others) as NFL players are also incredible athletes in their own right

Agree with Jason.....no one with the talent chooses NFL over NBA....the only person in recent history I can remember that could is Julius Peppers and Randy Moss

I totally agree with them, you need ball skill and athleticism to make the nba… in football the only ball skill is catching it(other than QB & kicker of course). Its funny tho cuz my whole life i heard football players argue the opposite

They both make sense. It really comes down to what you love, if I was given a full scholarship D1 to any school with the choice of playing football or basketball but I had to choose one... I would choose what I love even if I was 10x better at one sport. It also happens a lot where you end up liking the sport you're best at though lmao which is where the argument has two sides.

“I don’t even have to shoot!” 🤣🤣🤣💀 idk why that killed me

This is a good debate but Jason is correct. A college basketball player who is not good enough to play in the NBA has a much better chance of making it to the NFL even if they don’t have much football playing experience. Gates Gonzalez are a couple names that come to mind. Another guy DeMar Dotson former Tampa Bay Buccaneers Offensive Tackle 6’9” he played college basketball but wasn’t very good he knew he had no shot in the NBA. He tried out for the football team played some backup Defensive Tackle again wasn’t very good at that. Yet he got a chance to try out for the Buccaneers after being on the practice squad he eventually became a starting Right Tackle for them and had a good career. I saw someone mentioned Moe Allie Cox as a potential guy who might have made it to the NBA he would most likely be an end of the bench type player. I could have seen a Julius Peppers potentially make it at 6’7” be a bit of an undersized PF though in the modern day he would have a better chance. Former 49ers DL Arik Armstead who is 6’7” tried to play basketball for the Oregon Ducks but quit after not getting the playing time he wanted. He obviously would be too small to play C at the NBA level but lacks the ability to be a combo PF/SF.

These guys always crack me up. I feel like I know them.

I understand what Jason is saying but no he wouldn't swap it. He is a Superbowl Champion and surefire HOF in the NFL. In the NBA even if he was a champion as a role player he's not HOFer.

These two brothers are great 🙏🙌

I’m not a big basketball watcher but I’ve always said the NBA has the best over all athletes.

It’s simple: NFL players are generally stronger, faster, and jump higher. But NBA players are close enough as athletes and have the freakish size to be able to make the transition because of the difference in skills required. No matter how athletic you are, that doesn’t mean you can shoot a basketball.

@michaellouis-jean1486

6 ай бұрын

NFL player generally don't hump as high and are generally slower.

Agreed with Jason, but yal are missing the #1 difference point: yes Tyreke Hill, AJ Brown, Davonta Adams etc are athletic enough, but they would be the smallest players on the court. There’s nba players that are 6’10 250 and have that level of athleticism.

guys can make better money as premier league players or mlb pitchers, too. Travis is right, at some point people have to pick based on what they enjoy

It’s the combination of athleticism, skill and SIZE. NBA players are a different level a big. NFL players just aren’t tall enough to play anything but a guard position and no way they are skilled enough to play a guard.

New t-shirt: Jason’s Face with “I’m Not Buyin’ It”

People act like it’s just being fast enough and being able to jump high enough. But there’s so much more that goes into being an nba player. Even guys at the end of the bench have a good enough shot and good enough handle to dominate the college game. Hell, pat beverly gets clowned for being a zero on offense and he averaged like 35 in high school

@Rod100it

Жыл бұрын

And people think football is just athleticism and not being smart and having insane technique/ability as well. And the game is more complex by far.

If he could play in the NBA he would their salaries are way higher than NFL player. The average salary of the 8th man on a NBA team making 12 a year.

Jason is right. Charlie Ward was a Heisman winner. He was good enough to play in the NBA. He got guaranteed $$ and didn't have to get hit head as often and that was before this softer era of NBA basketball.

Adams is 6'1... Hill is 5'10. They're TINY in the NBA. They would have to have at least 1 truly world class skill (probablg shootings) to even get a look in the NBA. Especially Hill.

Jason is right

NBA players has got more skilled these days, but the players have turned it into a one-man-army kind of game. It has hurt the team aspect of the game because every nba player basically HAS to know how to play a little bit of every position. NFL keeps the team psychologically alive, it’s a very structured style that just needs you to do your position. Nothing wrong with that, it’s the way sports should be played.

Have to say i did not expect to hear zydrunys ilgauskas' name when i clicked on this

Random but travis remind me of Channing Tatum just they’re personalitys

Each athlete is different if football players focused 100 percent on the game they could. Back in the day we played the sport that was in season not just specialize in one sport and one position in said sport

Randy Moss The FREAK Straight Cash Homey.

NBA players could play against the pros competitively in flag football, that's all. As soon as an NBA player got a standard tackle in a real football game, they wouldn't get up off the turf for a week.

@tylerramsey9502

Жыл бұрын

I think you're underestimating how tough they are. Not many big hits unless they are defenseless either.

I mean, Athleticism includes so many things. Sheer power, Quickness, Speed, Vertical, Cardio, Hand-eye coordination and most important thing is, how fast/good you can be at some kind of physical activities(or sports). I bet NFL guys(Especially RB, WR, CB) are at least as quick as NBA PGs and SGs. But the thing is, height matters. If two people have same physical abilities in all other categories, taller one has more value in most sports. Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson are four(or four of top 10 at least) physical freaks in NFL history. But I think Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose's possibilities of being successful in NFL(WR or CB)or Lebron(TE) is higher than those four being successful in NBA. I mean think about Russell Westbrook playing WR and Jrue Holiday playing CB. And to play in NBA requires much more skills than to play in NFL period.

Jason is an offensive lineman, which sounds like hell, so he is much more adamant about "every NFL player would rather be in the NBA." My high school math teacher said that in 1984 or so, the San Diego Chargers (football team) would go to area high schools and challenge the teachers to basketball. My former teacher is white and he said that a group of early to mid 30s white teachers practiced hard and destroyed the Chargers. I find that hard to believe. Hall of Famers like Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow were there. How?

Uncle Drew commercials are the best. Pros vs. Joes.

Gotta remember that jimmy graham as a shot blocker and rebounder would be incredibly small in the nba.

Jason is right. NFL and NBA athletes are physically on par with each other - NFL players obviously stronger - but its a different skillset.

I love these two 😂

Idk Trav. Hill might be a bit short for NBA.

Anthony Edwards is a perfect example. Could of went to the league for both football or basketball and choose basketball.

I completely agree. It's way less likely an NFL guy could make the transition. In terms of the best NFL hoopers though, Maxx Crosby is up there.

I think Megatron could've made it. He was basically a Power forward playing football. So I think he could've

@yayz9442

Жыл бұрын

nah. if he could've, he would've.

@peacegawd5192

Жыл бұрын

6'5" is not a power foward he would be a shooting gaurd

Charlie Ward won the Hiesman, and chose to be a mediocre NBA player. Proves Jason's point. Guaranteed contracts and post-career health matter

I think that's the best argument for NFL guys being able to play in the NBA: if they could, they would be. There is just so much more money in it. Now NBA players would probably not be great NFL players either, they don't have the sheer muscle to take the constant contact week after week. But the average height in the NFL is 6-7, which means a bunch of dudes the height of the largest O linemen are moving like receivers. They also have way more endurance, as they run way more way more often since the NFL is built on strength and burst of speed. Just completely different athletes in the NFL vs the NBA, and both should be highly respected. In my opinion though, LeBron James could have been one of the best tight ends in the league, especially in Miami form.

Lawrence Taylor used to play pickup games with NBA players. They could not believe how high LT could jump and LT could have played in the NBA.

@2011hwalker

11 ай бұрын

LT was a genetic freak. So so fast and didnt even lift weights.

The Ilgauskas diss was legit 😂

Jason in a 6ers uniform would be amazing😂

Charlie Ward was never in the nfl, but he was a Heisman winner who played pg for the Knicks. I still don't understand why the nfl didn't draft him

NBA players are built different. That’s facts.

@wyatt6721

Жыл бұрын

Tall

As Jason points out, the crazy thing about NBA players is how athletic they are at their height. Travis brings up Davante Adams and AJ Green, who are big receivers. But in the NBA, they'd be considered undersized shooting guards. Guys like LeBron and Zion would intentionally seek out AJ Green to post him up. And if they aren't making close to 40% of their 3s, you wouldn't even be able to put them on the floor. Steph Curry is taller than Davante Adams... But I'll also say this: not that many NBA players could play in the NFL. You could say Zion, but Zion can't even stay healthy in the NBA. No way he makes it through an NFL game without getting hurt.

While i do agree that the nba is the most athletic league in the world, I feel like the differences are really hyped up. These guys are all top tier athletes. The nba is an exclusive league that filters a lot through sheer size. The average is like 6'7 or something. That's too tall and leaves your legs to vulnerable for most skill positions in football. Anybody can learn either skillset. It's simply a preference

The problem is, unless you’re like 6 foot 10 you have to be unbelievably skilled at shooting and passing in order to make the NBA. And even if you are tall, you have to be incredibly coordinated and skilled to make it. You could watch these guys and shoot around, I remember watching one Allen Iverson practice and he casually drained basically everything he threw up for like an hour, and he barely shot 40% most of the time in games. The world has tons of 6’10” guys selling insurance and working construction jobs. There is no casual amount of work or elite athleticism that is going to translate to being an NBA player under 6’8” without an extraordinary skill complement. Ben Wallace is an example- as one of the shorter “low skill” NBA players, he was still 6’9”. In today’s NBA, the only chance that an NFL player would really have to not get exposed on every play would basically be to play center, and none of them are tall or long enough. Fully guaranteed contracts, no hits, no concussions, more recognition because you aren’t wearing a helmet all the time… It’s not even close choosing between being a veteran in the NBA versus a veteran in the NFL, the NBA is better in nearly all cases outside of a handful of incredible NFL players.

I mean if Ben Simmons is still in the NBA, I think Trav can play in the NBA😂

@ben1ben2ben1

9 ай бұрын

Ben can't shoot, but he is insanely talented. His problems are mental, not skill related