It is so unfair to put people in that position. Its like signing a contract under duress without being allowed to read it first. I was mad at my parents for putting me in that position. So unfair.

@teresarenee3829

6 ай бұрын

for sure, and these kids are indoctrinated from birth, their whole life is the religion....total cult.

@FDroid01

6 ай бұрын

The freemasons, whose rituals these ones are based on, have you insist when you swear your oath (Jesus said no oaths, they are from the evil one) that you know what you are getting into. Yet they go out of their way to make sure you don't know, because if they let you know they would be violating their own blood oaths. Do the Mormon rituals have that too?

@curtdavenport7366

6 ай бұрын

​@@FDroid01it was. You had to demonstrate how you would disembowel yourself if you leaked the secrets

@FDroid01

6 ай бұрын

@@curtdavenport7366 Wild. This is why Jesus said, as recorded in the book of Matthew, not to swear oaths but to just let your yes be yes and your no be no, because anything more is of the evil one. No oaths, no secret societies, no mystery schools or cults. God has made His truth known right from the beginning. You don't have to go through some satanic ritual to know Him. There can be direct communication between EVERYONE and Him, and there's no new knowledge to be found in groups like that. I had a Mormon priest read that passage to me and it was like his mind just turned off. Bro turned into a lump and tried repeatedly to change the subject.

@uriahbeck6946

5 ай бұрын

I said the same thing after I went through the temple. How could they have me do and agree to such things without any prior insight?! I felt like I signed a contract I wasn’t allowed to read and if I disagreed then my eternal salvation was at stake. So wrong on so many levels.

The first part sounds exactly like a masonic ritual.

@thatwildginger5423

6 ай бұрын

It is lol. Joseph Smith becomes a master mason and suddenly this appears for Mormons a few months later. It's Masonry that's exclusively Christian.

@robinwillis5588

6 ай бұрын

It is. That's where Joseph Smith got it from.

@ginamiller6754

6 ай бұрын

@@robinwillis5588I thought it was by inspiration of “god” 🤔

@ginamiller6754

6 ай бұрын

@@thatwildginger5423not Christian 😏

@trishonna1

6 ай бұрын

It's because Joseph Smith was a Freemason and many of the rituals are taken from that Luciferian order. Which means LDS is Luciferian

It’s a significant step in cementing you to a cult. If you can participate in all of this, and still remain, they’ve pretty much got you for life.

My adopted parents guilted me into this garbage. Finally had to abandon my adopted family to get away from it.

When I was about 20 one of my girlfriends was a very strict Mormon and she was a sweet and kind person. She told me what they did to her “preparing” her for marriage. She was very traumatized. They bathed her in a milk bath and women touched her all over, it was obvious she had no idea that was going to happen. She looked horrified. I felt so bad for her. We were so young. On the day of her marriage her parents couldn’t even watch their daughter get married. No one in her family was Mormon. She was alone. It was an arranged marriage through the church. My heart just broke for her. The last I heard she had about 14 children and lived in a remote part of Wyoming. I hope she figured everything out and she’s OK. Years later I had seen a picture of her children and they were absolutely beautiful.

These stories are enabling traumatized and confused folks to heal.

I’m so glad that as a teenager I decided I didn’t want to go to the temple because they wouldn’t say what goes on in there and I had a very bad gut feeling that I wouldn’t like it. One round of baptisms for the dead also freaked me out.

We were mormons for a few years. After hearing this very testimony from other members, we left the cult.

@srso4660

6 ай бұрын

I'm glad you made it out 🙌🏽 I'm an exmormon and have a friend (Just met her a year ago) who was a recent convert. Her next door neighbor who converted her started pressuring them to go to the temple, I sent her a video of a secret recording of what goes on in there and they never went back to church again 😅

The reason it's so exhausting is because of the bait and switch. You have to spend so much effort trying to rationalize it and internalize it since you had no idea that's what the church is actually about. They hide it from you

@jomc20

6 ай бұрын

Its probably a strain on the brain after so much preparation and brainwashing, to realise its all a ridiculous con! (As all religion is). Many Mormons must realise at this point or before, when actually reading the Book of Mormon, that its all a pastiche on other forms of Christianity but made up by a travelling salesman con-man.😅

@user-tp6hn6im2j

6 ай бұрын

They just hide hide hide hide don’t they Johnny

@jonbaker476

6 ай бұрын

@@user-tp6hn6im2j Yes, yes they do

@keepinitreal938

6 ай бұрын

So it seems​@@user-tp6hn6im2j

@sheliabryant3997

6 ай бұрын

@jon. Narcissistic abuse sucks all life out of everything and everyone around it.

Someone needs to compile all of these dozens, if not hundreds, of accounts of people feeling bothered by the temple. My husband is convinced everyone loves the temple because he’s still believing, and everyone he interacts with each Sunday is believing, and no one that is believing and active in the church feels like they are allowed to express anything bad about their temple experience… so all he hears over and over again is people saying they love the temple and they wish they could go more often and so on and so forth. Sure, there are some people who leave and say they were one of the rare people who actually did enjoy the temple, but it seems to me that the large majority are uncomfortable with it, don’t get it, and don’t enjoy it or even benefit spiritually from it.

@emilywilliamson8560

Ай бұрын

I expected to love it but when I first did baptisms for the dead found it creepy and almost satanic. Still get the shudders thinking about it

Ah the Penalty, the same thing that's done for the Freemason Entered Apprentice 1st degree initiation ceremony. Just like the Freemasons scrapped the Penalty in the 1980s, the LDS Church followed suit in the 1990s

When my mom died in 2006 my dad had her buried in her temple clothes. For some reason he choose an open casket and I remember being shocked as I walked into the cultural hall and saw her in that ridiculous white and satin green Halloween costume. With that beyond ridiculous bonnet. I felt angry. Angry that they had groomed me for that path. Angry that it had consumed 6 generations of my family. Angry that now after her excruciating sickness and death she was now looking like a munchkin from Oz. And angry that everyone around somehow found all this normal. It was not normal. And would never be normal.

I went after the throat slitting was removed, and it was still very weird for me. Having to strip down naked and put on the "shield" thing and having some old guy touch you all over with the water to "wash" you. That was disturbing

@user-qf7hr2nq2r

6 ай бұрын

What the hell are you talking about

@keepinitreal938

6 ай бұрын

Thats what it used to be before they changed it again.​@user-qf7hr2nq2r

@edutechnic9621

6 ай бұрын

The initiatory ceremony is what he's talking about. It's the ceremony to give you garments before you go through an endowment session. You can do them for yourself and vicariously for the dead. A member of your sex washes (water) and anoints (oil) certain parts of your body. Originally you were fully naked besides a shield that had open slits on the sides while this was done. It was pretty nerve wracking.@@user-qf7hr2nq2r

@Makayz

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@user-qf7hr2nq2rthat was part of the ritual. My parents went through that. And all my friends that went on missions. Up until 1923 you were fully naked in a bathtub to allow the touching of the water and oil anointing. Then from 1923-2005 you were naked under a round poncho so the officiant could touch you to anoint you.

@user-qf7hr2nq2r

6 ай бұрын

@@Makayz yeah that's completely false. Stop trying to spread misinformation with your messed up hate.

It all sounds like a cult.

@monyetgoblog7038

6 ай бұрын

The Disney of creepy cults.

@mortenle

6 ай бұрын

Not like a cult. They are a cult. It took me almost 60 years to realize it.

I wish I had that much discernment when I went the first time, I just figured everyone was doing it so it must be ok 😵‍💫

@jomc20

6 ай бұрын

It is a great weakness with our thought processes that we are so influenced by the behaviour of the society we live in and particularly that of our family and community. Its hard to think outside the box. This is why critical and skeptical thinking skills should be taught to children.

@effie3798

6 ай бұрын

They are banking on that thought process with all of their devotees. And I mean literally banking. This is a huge money making cult.

@cheri.1111

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, same here. It really sucks knowing we've been duped and mind controlled all our lives.

@daleyglobal

3 ай бұрын

Desensitizing tactics monkey see monkey do . Sad cult of emotional psychological mental abuse crazy .

My husband and I feel the same way you do. It's very important with those kind of rituals you definitely need informed consent and know what you're doing. So we covenant to do something I would never do.

And when I went to the temple they had toned down and removed things so everyone that goes now gets this softl version. When I found out about these changes I felt absolutely disgusted. The church needs to stop misleading people.

@sheliabryant3997

6 ай бұрын

@ZelphB. Sure does. And ALL THE HIDDEN BACK-STORY has to be con- stantly made known because IT IS STILL THE DRIVING FORCE beneath the on-going earthquake. Thanks to Mormon Stories and all the others who work diligently toward this end. 🐦

@Jsppydays

6 ай бұрын

Do your research. Think they changed the hand move but means the same. That's what I was told. Still researching truth

@shereenevans7124

6 ай бұрын

​@@Jsppydays Do your research but this stuff is true they are a cult and I'm so glad I got my son out of there

@IAmJustOneMom

6 ай бұрын

You still extend your thumb/knife ( you just do not know that you are still pantomiming the real knife/thumb action).

@Jsppydays

6 ай бұрын

Thought so. It has the same meaning. Blood oath.

I remember going through the temple for the first time. And when my parents were chanting I have a moment where I look at them and realize. I don't recognize these people. I don't really know who the heck these people are. I felt like my parents disappeared after that day when I saw that. It was honestly a major traumatic moment in my life.

@gomifunelives6085

6 ай бұрын

I was a convert. I’m out now. “Oh…hear the words of my mouth.” And the accompanying hand motions 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️. I’m like this isn’t Christianity. This is creepy cultish monothink. And right before that I swore an oath and the Bible is clear to not swear oaths but Freemasonry / Mormonism doesn’t care about the Bible unless it agrees with whatever their leaders say.

@SnailWhales

6 ай бұрын

That is so disturbing. I never went to the temple but know what goes on in there and when I picture my parents doing that it creeps me out! I can’t imagine having gone and then taken it seriously. I see my parents as brainwashed because of this.

@juliediehl4895

12 күн бұрын

❤

wow the mental exhaustion after exposure to culty stuff is so real, it's like your body goes into rest mode to protect itself ❤

I went once and never again. In fact, it was so upsetting I barely remember it. I just know I thought ‘Nooooo never doing this creepy thing again.’

Sometimes I feel a little bit ashamed to know how extra gullible I was! I mean, when I first went to the temple, things had changed and they didn’t do everything he just laid out here, but it was weird af And I thought it was my problem for thinking it was weird. I thought that I lacked some kind of special spirituality.

@FreckledGemini

6 ай бұрын

I either went in and out of this phase or I’d continue to tell myself, “Lean not unto your own understanding”….yeah. No thanks.

Every fast and testimony meeting was mentally exhausting to me temple was totally traumatic.

This man is truly enlightened his higher self was telling him that our fathermothersource never wants to give our power away sending you love and light ❤❤❤

Same!! My parents asked me how I felt after, and the only thing I could think of to say was "exhausted ."

I was 19, a few months before serving a mission. Towards the end of the ceremony, I legit thought, “oh man, I really am joining a cult.”

Freemasons come in many different flavors.

he reminds me of my first experience in 1977 when I attended all by myself as the new teenage convert that I was all by myself in my family.

It's such a bait and switch: "Oh, it's a beautiful and spiritual experience".. it was WEIRD. And being expected to go regularly and sit through the thoroughly weird AND simultaneously boring ceremony??? Haven't been in decades. (Quiet quitting... too many members in my family who just wouldn't understand)

It freaked me out. I hated the temple. I thought there was something wrong with me because I just didn’t feel like other people were claiming they felt.

@sunshinehowells9845

6 ай бұрын

Same. I remember everyone at church talking about how amazing it was every time they went to the temple and thinking I don't feel like that at all. It is never a good experience. I really don't like it. Why am I not having the same experience they are??! And then I'm wondering if they were all making that up because they felt they were supposed to feel that way

Wow... So glad I left before I had to go on a mission or get married ..

@theshywolfie6655

6 ай бұрын

Me too omg

It’s also why I won’t rewatch any temple ceremony videos on YT: it’s too much.

@vikkiledgard8483

6 ай бұрын

Wow! I didn't know there WERE temple ceremonies on KZread!! 😮 ♥️

@Angelsbliss818

6 ай бұрын

How could we see Temple Ceremonies? There are no Cameras allowed there?

@chlyri

6 ай бұрын

​@@Angelsbliss818 people sneak in cameras. look up newnamenoah

@monyetgoblog7038

6 ай бұрын

Tgey look like a scene out of Eyes Wide Shut

@nello1591

6 ай бұрын

​@@Angelsbliss818people have snuck small cameras in many times and recorded secretly

Is this real? Do they still do this the same way today?

@IAmJustOneMom

6 ай бұрын

It has been revised many times to now be an infantile powerpoint so you do not know what the things you have to do actually mean…

I believe this to be copied exactly from the mason secret ceremony.

Cult

I got freaked out by that as well…

This is why they wouldn't tell anyone what happened. Its so creepy. I remember reading online the temple ceremony in the early days of the internet and thinking, I will never go through the temple. Glad I didn't.

There are still some TBM’s that say it’s beautiful 😒😂

@ChrisS-dt3vq

6 ай бұрын

Do ever wonder what they thought was beautiful? Just saying that because they were supposed to or afraid not too, Or didn't want you to be alone, not the only one sucked in.

@ginamiller6754

6 ай бұрын

@@ChrisS-dt3vqprobably because they think they are supposed to. TBM’s defend “the church” at all costs. I’ve also read their defense of the s** abuse of some members and how they were paid off. 🤦🏼‍♀️

@SnailWhales

6 ай бұрын

They have to believe it’s beautiful because they’ve worked their tails off following all the rules to become an elite temple going Mormon! 😂

I was the only member in my family. I was baptized at 12 as a convert. I alone grew up in the Church. Now imagine my first time in the temple. It was after 1990, so no throat cutting ritual, but the washing was all naked with a robe on my body. It was so weird for me. Then the priesthood clothes, o my gosh I thought. Then the ceremony, shaking hands, the secret words, the chanting. That felt so weird for me as I had no idea how the temple was, what garments really meant although I knew members used a special t-shirt under the normal clothes. But I tried somehow to put all together that the Church is true, these are in fact ancient sacred ceremonies, God revealed, etc etc.

Like a toxic coercive relationship

I’m agree 👍🏻 good that you share your experience and show to the world the truth about this evil sect.

The abuse by religion

That sounds like a Mystery, like when I imagine the Mystery Cults this exactly how I imagine you were made a member

Can someone tell me who’s interview this is? Would like to watch the rest.

@joeosborne980

6 ай бұрын

Rod and Nan Osborne - kzread.info/dash/bejne/opuMqcp-n7WnmdI.htmlsi=1_hehFUBBA-OHDRI

@Kaitybardot

6 ай бұрын

Episode 1761, titled when your Mormon children stop believing

@w00f72

6 ай бұрын

@@Kaitybardot thanks!

"Mentally exhausted" pretty much sums up my experience as well

But it's the most sacred special thing you could be doing and everyone there wants to spend all their time there, cause it's just the best place...🙄

Signs of a cult described.

"bring em young".

I had a similar experience!!

How mormonism isn’t a cult amazes me. Still.

I left the church at byu. Not because I did anything bad, but because the culture freaked me out and the cracks in the church began to show them. A few years later, out of curiosity I looked up the temple rituals. After I read them, I was so angry. Because my parents were inactive and if I had shut them out of my wedding and gone to the temple, and had expected something really special. But it come up against that badly written, infantile, Church centered crap in the endowment ceremony and in the marriage ceremony... If that had happened in front of me, when I got out I would have said to my mother we need to talk. And I would have told her how truly stupid it was. How it did not honor the people being married or the couples undergoing the rituals. It was all crap borrowed from Masonic ritual by Joseph Smith, and the church desperately needed to rewrite everything because it was so very bad. Now, I'm not surprised. Because I came to realize that Joseph Smith lied about a hell of a lot of other stuff, and the foundation of the church is rotten. So everything above it is rotten too. And they still need to rewrite their Temple stuff. It is such a grand illustration of The Emperor's new clothes, and the nakedness of idiocy and cult speak.

@klondike6223

6 ай бұрын

Very well said. Totally agree. I didn't figure this out until after BYU... I definitely regret that because my wife and I got married in the temple, my nonmember grandparents and mother could not attend; however, we compensated with a ring ceremony at the reception where all of our nonmember relatives COULD attend, and they loved it...

#forsurenotacult

"Hello. Welcome to the Mormon Church. Now, for the ceremony." That's a hell of an introduction 😮😮😮😳💀♥️♥️♥️

@advocate7643

6 ай бұрын

You can only unlock the ceremony after 1 year of membership and tithe paying. It’s still shocking regardless

The creepy Disney of cults

That all sounds very Mason.

Wow, traumatised by a cult... who knew? 😮

This really emphasizes the Scripture to be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing!

it's a CULT !

My first temple experience was a nightmare. I had no interest in ever returning and became inactive after my divorce.

The adamic language is the edenic language right? So are they just making ooga booga noises?😂😂 it was never recovered it was only talked about in the tower of babel story Plz correct me if im wrong, it was just a funny thought to ne tho

@silver474

5 ай бұрын

They would specifically say, “pale ale” (pay le ale) 3 times while kinda bowing. They changed it after it weirded people out to supposedly translate to “oh god hear the words of my mouth” or something similar (it’s been awhile).

The funny thing is, I asked my mom about this and she doesn’t remember this AT ALL! I guess that it was not traumatic enough for her, maybe because she wasn’t going to tell the world about it, and was able to see the spiritual side of things.

Thank you for soeaking up.

Ok let’s ignore that the early church did temple rituals during the time of the apostles

I hope my old coworker is doing alright. Hes a Mormon, and he seened to be an active practitioner when I worked with him. I am glad my eyes werent open to the cult side of Mormonism because I honestly think I would have been a shitty coworker and try to open his eyes for him.

Omg, is that seriously what they do in these temple secret ceremonies?

@dcaa62817

6 ай бұрын

Yes, for many years they did these rituals. In 1990, they removed some of them after word spread of what was going on.

Christ said "eat of my flesh; drink of my blood"....and many departed. Its amazing how people cant understand symbolism

@marebear6727

5 ай бұрын

Your Jesus (or Christian Jesus) said that His Father's House was a House of Prayer & people turned it into a den of thieves! Prayer! Period! Prayer! Mormons temples are a den for theives!

@advocate7643

Ай бұрын

Mmmm yummy roleplaying cannibalizing your own god

Mentally difficult does not automatically = bad. Getting a degree (or equivalent trade certification, I don't know, is it still called a degree? Is mentally difficult and challenging, but it's not bad to go through that) Also, I don't know what he's talking about with "weird language."To each their own, I guess, but I don't consider English to be a "weird language." Also, there's no cutting involved at any point.

@silver474

5 ай бұрын

You must have gone through after the 1990’s and never asked about the past. You seem to think this man is a liar. Then so is everyone else prior to the 90’s temple experience. What an ignorant comment. You don’t even know your own church and their original temple rituals.

As an Exmormon, I loved the temple endowment. I guess I focused on the message or story of eternal progression.

@chlyri

6 ай бұрын

so you weren't traumatized. that doesn't make you special. you sound like a member.

@SilentThundersnow

6 ай бұрын

Eternal progression is really awful too tho. It makes you never able to be enough. That comes out in ways that not only hurt yourself, but people around you.

@ruelynng59

6 ай бұрын

@@SilentThundersnow Never saw it that. We all learn and grow from our experiences we gain knowledge along the way; for me, that is eternal progression, not that you are never good enough, I never felt that way. Perfection is not a goal I ever thought I needed to attain, doing the best you can is fine. I still believe in the basic plan of salvation of eternal life, and this "mortal" time is only part of it. For me, the Temple Endowment was that simple, as God was outlining the way to return to his presence. Do I believe in all the Mormon doctrine involved? No, but I believe in life eternal.

@IAmJustOneMom

6 ай бұрын

Depends on when you went through, whether you dozed off & missed the gruesome blood oaths, whether you mentally dissociated during the trauma.

@ruelynng59

6 ай бұрын

@@IAmJustOneMom@IAmJustOneMom No, it was in the 1970s, and I was awake and paid attention. I would say at 18, I was very prepared; I attended "Temple Discussions/classes." These classes were geared toward those who had already had their endowment. The tokens I knew would be given, and I knew I would be asked to give my life up if necessary. I understood I would be undressed for the washing and anointing. I never saw them as blood oaths or gruesome; they were more symbolic. Focused on the covenants associated with the tokens, etc.

Hocus pocus 🤡🤡🤡

Yep

I watch a short video excerpt and really relate to it, so I want to see the full interview..... ...but it is not noted in the Description, and it is not given in any of the comments that I read (I don't have the patience to read every single one of the hundreds or thousands of comments)..... Why is it seemingly forbidden to tell us (me) what episode the excerpt is taken from ...?! Why won't you note the full episode number in the description...?!

Members of my ward at the time did not want me attending the temple for the first time. I went half just to spite them. I told only one family in the ward and no one else, not the missionaries, EQ presidency, bishopric, etc. Then I got my endowments and this was less than 10 years ago without the naked mock wearing anointment and the thrill kill pact part and still...... I was like ..... ummm .... what TF is this? It was a shelf item for me but at the same time an event I did just to piss off the people who did not want me to be a part of their "in" crowd. I look back now and it just is all so weird. It really made me see these Mormons in a totally different way, and not in a good way.

Smith got most of that crap from Mason's.

It's like a prototype for scientology

How old were you when you went through this?

Can someone explain the cow fonts?

@sarahrasmussen1333

6 ай бұрын

@avantgauche There are 12 oxen to represent the 12 tribes of Israel. It is symbolic and artistic decoration for the baptismal fonts.

When I was a child growing up Mormon they would take children in their tweens and early teens to the temple and get baptized for the dead. I felt traumatized and exhausted by it. To this day I’m creeped out by the practice and find them to be blasphemy.

All you poor people who don't understand how it was for the saints after the murder of Joseph Smith. That little ritual was help when it committed people to understand just how serious they were about their covenants that they just made with God was. To not give to the dogs the things that were holy. So sorry that you could not understand it. However... how many children learn just how serious they are when they say... I swear to God and hope to die... stick a needle in my eye. Now because they said that... they are serious about what they had just said before they made their final promise. It was right to remove a promise of that level of seriousness from the highly sophisticated saints of today who didn't have the same passion as those in the 1800's and early 1900's. Who probably honestly felt that strong about it. Today those who took those vows are the ones who now sneak camera's inside the Temples to and video everything. What does their promises mean to God??? Very Little.

@silver474

5 ай бұрын

I hope one day you can see it for what it truly is. A cult. I know the lds church is a cult and it harms millions of people every day and does very little to help anyone in need. This is my testimony.

Good thing you finally woke up

You play with matches…….

Had the exact same reaction lol

Ummmm that’s not at all of what my grandparents said about the endowment they told me this stuff after I got mine he is lying about this

I felt the same way and then thought there was something wrong with me because I was weirded out by it!!!

Dude I’m mentally exhausted from listening to your nonsense!

@IAmJustOneMom

6 ай бұрын

Not nonsense. Actually happened for more than a century.

Yes it’s so weird!!!!! 😵‍💫🥴

Same exact symbols used in freemason rituals

I agree

👎👎👎😂😂poor guy ! I feel fo sorry for him !

????? What the heck???? WEIRD!!!!

Which episode is this from?

@IAmJustOneMom

6 ай бұрын

Episode 1761.

What in gods name is he talking about?!😂

@chlyri

6 ай бұрын

the endowment ceremony in the temple.

Same 1987😮

If it is so ridiculous, why do it?

@silver474

5 ай бұрын

Why does anyone join a cult? Familial pressure to join, societal pressure (in utah and Idaho) to join, or mentally/emotionally unstable and being preyed on by said cult.

@fabulouskamaria

5 ай бұрын

Mormons don’t get told anything about what goes on in there beforehand and don’t know what they’ll be doing or what it’s like or what goes on in there until they’re already in there. They’re not allowed to talk about what happens in there to anyone else.

SO satanic...

Nooooooooo...

Adamic language- the language of Adam from the garden?

Too much endowment?

Not a Christian religion

#totallynotacult

Run 😢

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