"...they are not alone in the world or in time." Such a lovely statement, and one that needs to be heard.

@a.munroe

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I choked up at that.

@rusharley2080

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.munroe yeah, me too, and then threw up.

@Candlewick14

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's any chance they arent being heard.

@fourthpanda

2 жыл бұрын

@@rusharley2080 You should get that checked out. That's definitely a you problem.

@rusharley2080

2 жыл бұрын

@@fourthpanda No, this is a serious morality problem in this country. And there is coming a punishment of Biblical proportions very soon.

Sir Ewan Forbes' mother sounds like she was ahead of her time recognizing her son so early in life and standing by him.

@beefstew4698

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt the child’s omniscient Creator would agree😢

@therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar

2 жыл бұрын

@@beefstew4698 So you’re saying that the omnipotent creator made a mistake when they created this child the way they were?

@halfpintrr

2 жыл бұрын

@@beefstew4698 Omnicience implies all seeing but no action. Fitting

@redadmiralofvalyria867

2 жыл бұрын

@@beefstew4698 please don't start that bullshit here please

@beefstew4698

2 жыл бұрын

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 oh please.

Chevalier d'Éon really got two countries to fall in love with her, *and* a king to pay for her wardrobe? She's the patron saint of "gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss"

@aphroditegonzalez1646

2 жыл бұрын

You are brilliant. I like your perception

@mineflwr437

2 жыл бұрын

@@aphroditegonzalez1646 thank you, beautiful person. You're brilliant as well 🥰

@ink3539

2 жыл бұрын

A true rolemodel !

@shaad6824

2 жыл бұрын

YESSS HAHA

@melsoswell1122

2 жыл бұрын

There's a cool anime based on it

I really loved that line, “gender was a private matter, a trans person simply Registered their sex and moved on.” Not saying a trans person shouldn’t be able to be out and proud but, what is it anyone else’s business, especially the governments.

@CourtneySchwartz

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it’s the business of their partner and doctor, but yeah. That’s it.

@paulogaspar8295

2 жыл бұрын

no it wasan't. Gender is defined now was never a thing. This people would call themselves the gender of their sex even if they did "things people associate with the other gender" or they would just call themselves the other gender because they wanted jobs from the other gender, not because they where trans. Trans as the modern concept was never a thing. No one cares about what gender you call yourself. The problem arises when people like you get pissed off that other people don't use the gender you want others to use.

@bitchimgordie

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulogaspar8295 I’m sorry what? I was complimenting Lindsay on her narration and compassion. I don’t know where you thought I was being hateful but I wasn’t. I fully support trans and lgbtq rights.

@paulogaspar8295

2 жыл бұрын

@@bitchimgordie I was criticising some of the things she said and implied in the video and your comment on "gender should be a private matter" because the ones who don't make it a private matter are trans people themselves. I was not criticising your whole comment.

@Ed-ss1uh

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulogaspar8295 lmao rarely documented case in the wild of activists attacking trans activists over nuance.

transphobes will always make the argument that being transgender is a "new" thing. it is not. its been here for ages. we have always been here. and we will stay.

@fosminclorin

Жыл бұрын

The only valid transgender people are the ones with actual gender dysphoria. Not the ones who just "feel" like it. It is not a trend for those who wanna feel quirky and special or for those who have other internalised issues, it is a real disorder. Also, being non-binary will never be a valid new gender, as it has no real distinction from being non-conforming other than some labels and pronouns. It's the quirky 2010-20s way of not conforming to gender stereotypes, with a extra step of forcing people to use some weird pronouns. Non-binary people will never be real trans people. Not all cis straight pretenders belong in the lgbt community.

@alastryona

Жыл бұрын

We have more self describing words than ever, and being able to use these terms gives us (as in the queer community as a whole) much more of a voice. God only knows they hate when we have our own voice and USE IT

@immagical7036

Жыл бұрын

AMEN FOREVER

@JuliusMcRich

Жыл бұрын

you need some jesus

@immagical7036

Жыл бұрын

@@JuliusMcRich no, that is not what i meant, i meant that they are right and i agree entirely, do not be transphobic or you are a disgusting, ignorant and hateful excuse of a human being

Listening to the story of Sir Ewan is so special to me, as a transgender man. He was part of the first generation of trans people who were able to receive HRT, something that has changed my life for the better. It always feels bittersweet to hear about the german clinic, because it is amazing that such a place existed in that time, but i wonder if soceity would be more accepting today if it hadn’t been shut down by the nazies.

@blacktigerpaw1

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no, the Aiden isn't getting her testosterone. Poor thing.

@Starae336

Жыл бұрын

@@blacktigerpaw1 what’s aiden mean?

@blacktigerpaw1

Жыл бұрын

@@Starae336 FTM

@savantianprince

Жыл бұрын

I'm a trans man as well. Didn't know hormones therapy was done back then

@Gamerkat10

Жыл бұрын

I bet he was thanking god for that clinic when they inspected him... bet it made him look 'male enough' for that diagnosis of intersex. I'm glad it happened for him too :3

I enjoyed this video very much. I am a white, cisgender, heterosexual, elderly, male. As such, my personal experience is very common. The way I appear, present, and feel, all match. I think it is because I am so very comfortable in my own skin that I can understand how it must be to feel the opposite. The thought terrifies me, and as such I have enormous respect for those who live differently. I have several friends who are gay or transgender because I belong to a very inclusive church. I enjoy the time I spend with them because their point of view on so many topics is so different from my own. I intend to pass this video along to them. I hope they enjoy it as much as I did, especially considering the respectful tone Lindsay took presenting all of her subject persons.

@atherisGAY

Жыл бұрын

You seem to have a great social circle that embraces an open mind and heart! ♥️

@badbiker666

Жыл бұрын

@@atherisGAY I know some amazing people! A few months ago, I had a problem. The very first person I called and said, "I need help," was in their car and driving in minutes. They took me to their home and put me up for the night. This was a VERY difficult time for me. I was going through some serious shit, and they didn't ask any questions other than, "How can we help?" Awesome people, and I know lots of them. I am not a religious person, but I have no other words to say except that I am blessed to be associated with them. (The church to which I belong is not a Christian denomination) It is important to note that they would do this for anyone who asked for their help; I'm not a special case.

@square.doritos7

Жыл бұрын

we need a lot more people like you in this world!

@akatstrut

Жыл бұрын

Badbiker666 ! You must be protected at all costs. Bless you for your wonderful point of view.

@ipercalisse579

Жыл бұрын

A part that this whole video is bullshit?

I love how sensitive Lindsay is to the subject matter right off the bat! Also, Ngiza's story reminds me of the babaylan here in the Philippines. Sad how our country was originally very open to LGBTQ people and women in power, but the Spanish made us all so "conservative". And now, my fellow Filipina women are now saying that only a man (a dictator's lying, thieving son) can be a president...coz he's a man.

@rachelleantinero2403

Жыл бұрын

I don't mind a woman becoming a President, as long as she's capable and not air headed. No one wants a President with negative campaigning and a willing puppet to the real evil.

@rachelleantinero2403

Жыл бұрын

All cases filed against the Marcoses were dropped because there was no solid evidence about those deeds. The first of your comment about the LGBT made sense, but to think of inserting our politics here didn't made sense at all, you better just move on and support our current President instead of being bitter. 😁

@noonecares200

Жыл бұрын

@@rachelleantinero2403 there was no proof …. Really lmao oh god

@Bl4ckDr4co

Жыл бұрын

@@rachelleantinero2403 Lol the cases were only "dropped" because they have friends in high places even after his father was ousted. It's disgusting that ppl forget what happened and pretend nothing is wrong just because they cling to the fake memory of a "better" time.

@cb41503

Жыл бұрын

Wait, Did Ferdinand Marco's son actually become president? I don't keep up with news about the world as much as I should

one of my fave historical people that my mother wrote a paper about who historians to believe to have been trans is Dr James Barry. born a woman but lived as a man for most of his life he started out as a ship surgeon. He became the first doctor to perform a successful caesarean section where both mother and baby survived. People didn't know his sex assigned at birth until his death where they saw evidence of childbirth on the body. It is also rumoured that he was Intersex but that hasn't been confirmed.

@est9949

2 жыл бұрын

This is so interesting. Thanks for the information.

@lucypreece7581

2 жыл бұрын

@@est9949 thank you. I know a lot about Dr James Barry because my mum had to research them for a paper when she was at uni doing a history degree. Its really interesting because the era in which they lived technology especially in the medical field was very very basic so for them to successfully perform a cesarean section where both mother and baby survived and thrived was an amazing accomplishment.

@lucypreece7581

2 жыл бұрын

@@est9949 i sometimes wonder how "pro life" people would feel about the first successful c section being performed by a trans man?

@lucypreece7581

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raymondgogolf I am not religious, we cannot be friends because you are a total and utter stranger, you are creepy af for commenting on some random girls comment on KZread and sorry to disappoint but I am lesbian. now delete your comment or I report you for harassment

@gothempress

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucypreece7581 Damn right, Lucy! Stand up for yourself! I see the original comment by that oaf is gone, but I madly respect your firm rebuttal to unwanted advances.

Thank you for showing the LGBTQ community in a way that is historical and respectful. We all have a story, this is no different for our ancestors!

@cherryrue89

2 жыл бұрын

Yea your ancestors not mine thank God.

@ChrisCanomi

2 жыл бұрын

Ya ancestors cis hun

@LEnfant_Terrible

2 жыл бұрын

Do not lump everyone together. Gender identity has nothing to do with homosexuality.

@cherryrue89

2 жыл бұрын

@@LEnfant_Terrible and this is the best way to put that. Thank you. They just think everything equals LBGT.

@jamesgulley9881

2 жыл бұрын

@@LEnfant_Terrible Nice profile pic.

Sir Ewan's story made me cry I'm so glad he had a supportive mother in childhood though.

@Raymondgogolf

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Anna 👋 I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹

@samanthasalamone128

2 жыл бұрын

You realize people can see that you’re writing the same comment to several women right?

@burgermeowster

2 жыл бұрын

@@samanthasalamone128 also I'm not a woman which is understandable not to know online but it is funnier on this video

@samanthasalamone128

2 жыл бұрын

@@burgermeowster that's amazing! Love it. 😂

I find it interesting that in Sir Ewan’s case, the barony and lands/castle that come with it were entitled to him because they manufactured a way to make it seem he might have been born with male intersex condition instead of female at birth. Yet today, women and females are still not allowed to inherit the land privileges that come with a peerage titles just like how Sir Ewan’s nieces were unable to inherit because they were female….

@phoenixobrien163

2 жыл бұрын

In this day and age, it's certainly blazingly sexist. I'm surprised there's no change in peerage laws like this.

@samanthahayman4539

2 жыл бұрын

Things have, and are improving. In Scotland most peerages can now pass to a female, if there are no sons. The crown now passes to the eldest child, regardless of sex, and there have been several attempts to update inheritance laws in England and Wales, most recently in 2019, but bills have not yet managed to pass before parliament's session ended. A 'special remainder' can be granted by the Crown allowing a woman to inherit. I would certainly apply to the Crown if I were the elder daughter of a peer.

@cynhanrahan4012

2 жыл бұрын

That changed with William and Catherine. The law now recognizes royal ascendancy to the first born, regardless of sex.

@lilymarinovic1644

2 жыл бұрын

@@cynhanrahan4012 interesting that the heredity rules surrounding the Crown itself are more progressive than the rules about some peerages.

@Gamerkat10

Жыл бұрын

Well, I don't know if they 'manufactured' it. He'd had HRT at puberty (which of course they're now trying to make illegal in the USA 90+ years later 🙄), so he got the best possible outcome from it. (Yes, i mean his bits). I'm sure the befuddled doctors (now that we'd largely 'lost the art' after the nazis burned it) were like "no no... definitely at least a little bit a man" lmao.

Ewan Forbes' story was really sad at the end. After growing up with a parent that support him and peacefully living his life he had to be traumatized by the US government solely because they decided that being trans is wrong :/ shame that the US is repeating its horrific history again now with many states banning HRT for people under 18 in the guise of "protecting the children", when in reality trans kids are much happier when they got HRT.

@ipercalisse579

Жыл бұрын

This is your (twisted) perception. Glad that they are banning that staff. It is a total mess, and it is going out of control. So many teenagers going through PHASES are influenced by the media and internet and many been pushed by the agenda, if they are gay and love wearing make up or dressing masculine it means they are non-binary and trans... this is vicious. They are forced into believing they have dysphoria. Doctors give them hormones because is lucrative, such an invasive irreversible long term consequences and unhealthy change in the body is now offered like candies to children with poor mental condition. My God, I dont even believe in God, but you transgenders really have your head full of fairies rainbow and unicorns... it makes me sad. You really believe that male and female is interchangeable, that is society, that is delusion, it is not, it is nature, hence it never will be natural.

@hasinahasena

11 ай бұрын

That's not always the Truth There are many kids who regret their transition because their parents and doctors pushed them to transiton at 10

Elagabalus' life is just tragic all round. I studied their life in my Classics & Latin course, and it was.... basically highly sexualised, traumatic and they should never have been emperor. (I should also note that if we as historians are choosing to use the pronouns "she/her" for Elagabalus, as this was indeed their self-identification at many times throughout life, the name "Elagabalus" should technically become "Elagabaula" as the -us ending is masculine in Latin, whereas -a is feminine. Just a semantic point, however)

@phoenixobrien163

2 жыл бұрын

Why are you using they/their in reference to Egalabius?

@tiahnarodriguez3809

2 жыл бұрын

I get that, but irregardless of Elagabalus identifying as female, she was still the emperor. In the past, if a woman took the throne, she was referred to as “he” because women weren’t allowed to formally take the throne. So it makes sense that “Elagabaula” is being referred to in the masculine “Elagabalus”, and especially since “Elagabalus” is who she was named after.

@0816M3RC

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiahnarodriguez3809 Honestly though Elagabalus doesn't sound like a very pleasant person.

@swecheekypanda

2 жыл бұрын

But he was also known as quite a bad emperor though. He liked to give starving people paintings of food to humour them. And who can forget the time he dropped tons of flower peddles from the ceiling that smothered and killed several of the people below (there is a famous painting of this event). He also liked to let loose lions and bears that had had their teeth and claws into dining halls as a joke to scare the guests. As non of the guests knew they where declawed the were terrified. It’s reported that at least one old man died of a heart attack because he got so scared. He got very power hungry and sadistic, acting not unlike Caligula before him who was also chosen as emperor at a young age.

@hshx1n

2 жыл бұрын

It’s totally okay if trans girls want to take a masculine name! I’m so sick of this hypocrisy! Shame on you!

I love hearing about the mothers who supported their children! The one who clung to her child and died with them. That shows the power of a mother's love! And, in an age where such things were taboo (and even illegal), to see a mother who recognizes and accepts their child's gender to the point of helping their child to become their authentic self. Truly wonderful things to hear!

I got such a big smile on my face when this vid popped up in my notifications. Sir Ewan’s story is inspiring in how simple it is - he just wanted to live a normal life, and he very nearly got that.

I'm a transgender male and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this video and how you handled this topic.

@user-kk3nd6fh6b

2 жыл бұрын

L pfp

@rayb63

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-kk3nd6fh6b It's legit just a picrew, I haven't changed it in like 8 months lmfao

@user-kk3nd6fh6b

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayb63 change. now

@rayb63

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-kk3nd6fh6b yknow I was actually going to do it in the next few days, but now I think I'll wait

@SnazzyArcade

2 жыл бұрын

Does transgender male mean that you're born male or female? Sorry, as a non-native English speaker it can be difficult to understand.

you make me feel so seen with these videos. LGBTQ+ people are not a "trend", history shows us that we've existed forever. Men, women, children, people. Queerness is a part of history and should be taught, should be talked about, and should be known.

@shawnaweesner3759

2 жыл бұрын

WRONG!

@areyoudumb4372

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnaweesner3759 Which part? Saying all the statements she made were wrong would be factually incorrect. Saying that the parts where it should be taught in school is just your opinion. So which part do you think is wrong?

@bobob9969

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnaweesner3759 Just because YOU didn't see it, doesn't mean they didn't exist. A lot of them kept silent, so they wouldn't DIE from criminalization.

@gyratedpastry

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnaweesner3759 Sensitive much?

Not me crying over the photo of Sir Ewan looking lovingly at his ally mom.

Thank you for presenting this in such a respectful way. Living in Arkansas, I’m abhorred at our recent legislation re: transgender youth & medical care. Legislation cannot erase human beings.

@rusharley2080

2 жыл бұрын

A human being is born male OR female.

@jensmith7331

2 жыл бұрын

@@rusharley2080 why would you watch a video like this if those are your beliefs. Troll.

@rusharley2080

2 жыл бұрын

@@jensmith7331 You don't believe what I said?

@Raymondgogolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@jensmith7331 Hi Jen 👋 I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹

@dewilew2137

2 жыл бұрын

I never thought I’d live to see the day when legislation to not sterilize children is seen as a bad thing. We are doomed.

Lindsay you have no idea how much we appreciate this content

Poor Ewan, his cousin was awfully abusive. It pains me to hear the horrors and fear him and his wife Isabella were subjected to. I'm glad his mum knew and supported him since he was very young. Also, I'm glad you mentioned the crimes and horrors of nazism against trans people. So many brave and beautiful people were tortured and murdered. And valuable, important research lost forever.

Queen Christine was not trans, nor non-binary, but simply lesbian.

I’m really glad Sir Ewan got to keep his baronetcy. What a courageous man. It’s nice to actually see a happy ending for him and his wife.

As an Angolan, Your take on Nzinga Mbandi after the death of her brother is wrong and putting her on Trans list just because of her bravery and intelligence is pretty ignorant, she dressed based on where she was presenting herself, if it was in a more political meeting she would dress " manly" to not make it about her beauty or elegance but her power as a queen, if it wasn't too political she would dress very extravagant and feminine. She wasn't gay nor trans just a Queen. PS: Nzinga Mbandi wasn't the only female warrior during colonialism there was many women, mother and wives who fought back to protect their villages.

@amberjulia123

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! Thank you for this comment. You are SPOT ON 👏

This video made me feel validated in these times when transphobia is trying to strip so much from us.

@blacktigerpaw1

2 жыл бұрын

I love it how gender non conforming women are magically trans men and transwomen are priestesses and shamans while actual women were denied human rights. You hate to see it.

@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360

Жыл бұрын

You’re movement is trying to strip things away from women

@iamnotthatguy7166

Жыл бұрын

transphobia wouldn’t exist if everyone did an iota of research on the subject

@hasinahasena

11 ай бұрын

I don't think it's about this. It 's about peole wanting "fairy" as pronouns just for attention or telling peole that transgender women can have periods or that 2 year old children need a vasectomy.

King Henri III, favorite son of Catherine de Medici, was considered effeminate because he wore perfume, earrings and often cross-dressed. Henri often dressed in women’s clothes in public. Although he married, he was highly influenced by his “mignons", good-looking male courtiers who, with dainty clothing and elaborate jewelry vied for the king's favor. The French court considered Henri frivolous because he spent his time attending masquerade balls, playing games, and developing elaborate rules of etiquette. When he was 33, Henri was assassinated by Jacques Clément, a fanatical young Dominican friar.

I am a trans man subjected to years of hate crime and now the regime are actively encouraging hate for trans people. Until I saw your video which I've watched many times I never knew there were transgender nobility in UK. I knew there were trans native Americans going back centuries and they were revered in their tribe as twin souls. Thankyou fir telling these peoples stories. It would be great to learn of other historic trans people too

Thank you so much for doing such a compassionate and caring service for us in the LGBTQIA+ community!!!! It is so valuable to learn from someone who respects us.

I don't understand how todays society think it sufficient to place ancient figures using modern standards. Especially when even modern standards are highly contested, ie. If non binary is real (it's not), and if drag queens are "trans." No one knows if these figures were actually trans. They could've simply been cross dressers or the events stated simply didn't happen. Events of the past could've been greatly exaggerated by adversaries. Furthermore, many of these people weren't liked b/c of the way they conducted themselves. By almost any standard they could've simply been "mad" or "mentally ill," yet that is almost never stated. They're always "trans." - Read into that what you will. By today's standards eunichs of the Ottoman empire or Chinese dynasties were "trans" and that simply wasn't the case. The labeling of historic people in this way is deranged, entitled, & clearly self serving. Stop it!!!

@wintergray1221

3 ай бұрын

"If non binary is real (it's not)" Guess I'll fade into the void then

This recount of Queen Nzinga shows that not all Black tribal leaders were selling their people to Europeans. In fact, alot of those stories are false about Africans selling Africans. African tribal leaders denounced and fought against Europeans who were enslaving Africans. There's no proof Nzinga was bisexual or acted as a man. She was an intelligent, gifted Black woman who was well aware of her strength.

@sau2949

2 жыл бұрын

She didn't sold people from her tribe but sold from other tribes, also married a portuguese and changed her name so she could have European guns to defeat her brother.

@UwU-eb3hq

2 жыл бұрын

lol yeah not from her tribe but she did it to other tribes and also enslaved them too - smh

@originalcosmicgirl

2 жыл бұрын

@UwU the way that Africans engaged in slavery was very different from the chattel slavery Europeans of that time engaged in. Of course, ALL slavery is wrong, but throughout history and the world, slavery took on many different forms. It isn't fair or accurate to view all types of slavery as being the same. It's like comparing a person who murdered one person to a serial killer. They are both evil, but not different types of evil.

@shawnaweesner3759

2 жыл бұрын

@@originalcosmicgirl Well, your absolutely talking bs. Slavery, being owned by another person, whether by a black, white, yellow, or a red human being, (even when treated nicely), is a terrible thing! Abraham Lincoln understood this. You, obviously, do not.

@originalcosmicgirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnaweesner3759 @Shawna Weesner I actually wrote in my comment that ALL slavery is wrong (exact words, caps and all). I even compared it to the heinous act of murder to illustrate my point. I made sure to explicitly state that so there would be no confusion. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but please read my statement accurately before you disagree. I have never, nor will I ever be ok with any type of slavery, just as I am not ok with any kind of murder. I was pointing out the various differences in slavery practices, just as there are differences in types of murder. All are heinous, but some are more so than others.

It's pretty clear that Nzinga adopted masculine way of dressing because she wanted to have role (especially a power) equal to men and to not be seen as subservient only because her sex. Same with Kristina -- she wanted to distance herself from the feminie role because women were seen as inferior and also she saw herself as different from most of them. Being gender-non confirming doesn't mean you are dissatisfied with your sex and given that non-binary is modern sociological label using it for people from different times (and cultures) is completely ahistorical.

@sophiejones3554

2 жыл бұрын

Queen Elizabeth I didn’t do that. While she did in many ways dress similarly to her father, she dressed like a female version. Queen Catharine of Russia similarly. So I’m afraid you are probably incorrect.

@piratesswoop725

2 жыл бұрын

@@sophiejones3554 Different rules for different countries and cultures.

@Anammoxx

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you! I tried to convey this in another comment I made about Kristina but had a hard time doing it.

@ddpg9976

2 жыл бұрын

I think Lindsay is looking at this from a White European lens. Because I agree with you. Nzinga was not non-binary but in fact acting as an African ruler and not non-binary.

@adelaz1275

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddpg9976 Kristina was white and European and also not non-binary because it is modern sociological label that (from what I know) works only when you auto-identifaying as such

There is no evidence to suggest that Queen Nzinga was trans. However there was/is an African custom that a very wealthy African woman could transfer her wealth to another woman thru "legal marriage "where by wealth, title and name could be inherited ; a custom and practice that was/is uniquely African.

@cybertronian2005

Ай бұрын

let's face it, there's no evidence for the majority of the cases presented in this video. Edward Hyde for example was likely just a cross-dresser!

Nzinga wasnt trans she was a fierce Amazone like WARRIOR queen. Her servant went on all 4s out of respect Nzinga didnt order no one, the tone was set by that gesture.

@chinnareid3254

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to post on this topic, but I'm glad I scrolled and found your post. You're absolutely 💯 that Nzinga was definitely not trans. I just didn't understand in this video what made Queen Nzinga trans. Assuming the role of a warrior, and diplomat/politician didn't make her trans. Just a bunch of misinformation in this video.

@stacy_641

2 жыл бұрын

True.

@Thatssomebadhatharry1

2 жыл бұрын

Yet another of twaddle this video is pandering to and transing every single example

@Thatssomebadhatharry1

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-go1px9kt1v the trans brigade try to trans practically anyone in history who was lesbian gay or gender non conforming

@Only1Nikki

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying this I kind of feel like the blogger doesn’t understand African culture

As a trans person thank you for being so respectful

Thank you for covering this! As a straight person, I had no idea on transgender history. That’s amazing!!! Nice to show people transgender/non binary is not a “woke” thing but always been there even in nature. I would love to see a series of Sir Ewan. I really want the actor to be transgender so people can relate to the character. Maybe a role for Elliott Page

Sir Ewan Forbes was lucky to have a supportive mother.

I always enjoy these and I love learning about all of this. Would you be willing to do a video about asexual people in history?

An outstanding job to which I give a standing ovation. One of the best and most sensitively handled history videos I have seen in a very long time. Well done! As an Historian I always love to hear about the previously marginalised and 'footnoted' in history and this content is superb. From a disciplinary perspective I was particularly impressed by your introduction and disclosure as to how you will handle pronouns and the need to be cautious about how historic persons are identified without corroborating documentary evidence or by transposing modern terminology onto historic people with which they would have had no relationship with. Excellent job! 👏👏👏👏

1:55-4:45 Emperor Elagabalus of Rome 4:46-8:46 Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba 10:16-13:30 Queen Christina of Sweden 13:32-17:55 Edward Hyde, 3rd Earl of Clarendon 17:56-22:04 Chevalier d’Éon 22:05-28:21 Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet of Craigievar

@SM-yz4hi

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

This was a truly beautiful, informative and entertaining doc. Your sensitivity when handling such topics is something we could all learn from.

As a guy man, this really means a lot and thank you so much AND that's why I've always said. Gay and Trans has always been a part but to ostracize those has been a more recent development

@Studiosmediamilk

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, all societies and rich people have always experience decadence. It is not surprising that in the age where more people can consume more, more of them will be decadent.

@jungtothehuimang

2 жыл бұрын

So much of transphobia and homophobia stems from colonialism, so many cultures had different ways of honoring gender non-conforming/NB/trans individuals until they were colonized and their culture was suppressed by small minded religious people who decided being different was ”bad” it's such a shame.

@paulogaspar8295

2 жыл бұрын

not really. This people where not trans. This people where mostly women or men that didn't liked that they ahd to be forced to have certain jobs and marry certain people. Most women that whore male clothes where to be seen as more masculine by society so they would force them to do marry a lord or to not study because women couldn't study at the time. It was never based on biology, they just wanted to do other jobs and hobbies that society didn't allowed. Which is why feminism was a thing, women wanted to be able to do those jobs. But they are still women, it's not because they want things society said they where male things that makes them a man

@dewilew2137

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a biological basis for homosexuality. Gender identity, on the other hand, not so much.

@jungtothehuimang

2 жыл бұрын

@@dewilew2137 that's kind of the point, gender identity is socially constructed and is not rooted in biology at all. That's why every culture has different ideas about gender roles and gendered clothing ect. Gender is just a construct.

I have nothing against the topic of the video, but this is pure speculation. Many of the women were likely trying to make their own way in a man’s world. I wouldn’t put modern labels on them. Hatshepsut for example was a female pharaoh of Egypt, she didn’t deny that she was a woman but dressed as a man. She dressed as a man to gain more respect, and to take on the roles of the pervious male pharaohs.

@PaperImagesArtStudio

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much I have no disrespect for anyone. But I’m just tired of all this stuff

@tiahnarodriguez3809

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaperImagesArtStudio Same. Especially when people try to modernize history to fit their version of history. History isn’t that simple and it’s truly a disservice to look at history through the lens of today. You miss a lot of context and understanding doing that.

@Zoe-rn5cr

2 жыл бұрын

Whew I'm not alone then. Interesting people discussed, but putting them under the umbrella of these modern cringey terms is eye rolling.

You handled this topic with so much grace, I’m sure it means so much so so many people! I love your videos

Why was Nzinga added to this list? Based on the information presented in this video and also the few historical references (all from a European perspective) there is nothing to point towards her being transgender or nonbinary. Europeans had and have a tendency to masculinize black women especially dark skin black women.

@Krana-rt2yy

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Great comments. I see it nowadays with others, too. Angelina Jolie’s kid Shiloh, that the media jumped to proclaim has a new gender identity… and that seems to have been totally false. A daughter can’t even have a tomboy phase anymore without assuming what they are or aren’t. People have to be allowed to speak for themselves. And if the person isn’t living, then they can’t speak for themselves. The video creator shouldn’t have put Nzinga on this list.

@grizzellfarquar4571

Жыл бұрын

Much as I applaud the intent of this video and the sensitive approach taken, I agree with this point. Illustrating and promoting that there is and always has been a wide range of normal and healthy ways to describe or feel about your identity is hugely important but care should be taken when implying or labelling identities of individuals. I too am basing my comment on the evidence presented to me within the video. Perhaps the research behind the video provided more compelling evidence of exactly how they identified themselves?

@grizzellfarquar4571

Жыл бұрын

Also though... Regardless of race / gender / any other form of identity, if someone's life inspires another's positive feelings that can only be a good thing.

@SM-yz4hi

Жыл бұрын

she preferred the masculine royal title, maybe there was other evidence left out?

I think you covered all of these historical figures with great respect. There are a lot of different debates when discussing the status of historical transgender individuals. But I think it’s important to note that when allowed to exist in society, transgender people exist, and live normal and accomplished lives. As a cisgender person myself, I think it’s important for straight/cis identifying people to be outspoken and acknowledge these truths. If you leave it up to the marginalized to fight for their rights, it’s not going to happen for them.

as a nonbin person obsessed w historical fiction im LOVING this content

@UwU-eb3hq

2 жыл бұрын

um this isnt fiction tho

@standard9741

2 жыл бұрын

@@UwU-eb3hq correct, that's what makes it so cool

@angelnunnart

2 жыл бұрын

@@standard9741 so why did you say fiction?

@standard9741

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelnunnart because i like historical fiction, hope that helps

@UwU-eb3hq

2 жыл бұрын

@@standard9741 yes true - I too love both historical fiction and non fiction- fascinating stuff

You cover things in a way that is respectful and makes it easy for plenty of us to learn something new!

As an Angolan I’d like to say nothing pointed towards Nzinga being trans or nonbinary, on the contrary I’m pretty sure she was a cisgender woman who had children of her own, there’s a movie for anyone who’s interested and a book.

All of these fascinating stories should be created as streamed series!! I'd watch every multiple episode

@Raymondgogolf

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Crystal Williamson 👋 I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹

thank you so much for this video. i am non binary and a huge fan of you and your channel, and it warms my heart whenever you make content about lgbtq+ history!! ❤️

Someone should make a movie about Nzinga! What an amazing story!

Gibbon wrote that Elagabalus "abandoned himself to the grossest pleasures with ungoverned fury". Niebur said, "the name Elagabalus is branded in history above all others" because of his "unspeakably disgusting life." His body was cut up and thrown into the river.

I always tear up learning about different trans people throughout history and I especially tear up when the subject matter is handled eith care ie not misgendering the people. Genuinely, thank you for talking about them with such care. Im trans and it comforts me immensely to learn about the ones before me

@phoenixobrien163

2 жыл бұрын

Is trans another word for bisexual?

@SilverRatte

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixobrien163 trans is the shortened term for transgender which means someone who doesnt identify with their gender assigned at birth/ sex. Bisexual is someone who is attracted to people of two or more genders.

@phoenixobrien163

2 жыл бұрын

@@SilverRatte -- Ah. Now I understand. Thanks! I guess I'm trans then. I identify more with males. I hated having a period and wasn't crazy about having breasts. And never liked wearing dresses. Seemed too sissy to me. And the idea of giving birth was the most hideous process ever. Anyway, there it all ended. I never had any urges to physically change sexes. Nor did I want to dress as a man. Give me a well fitting pair of Italian slacks and a sparkly blouse and I was happy.

@dpfljr

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixobrien163 It's a misnomer for people dealing with gender dysphoria who may or may not have had surgery to alter their bodies

@Catandgoose

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixobrien163 nope. Being transgender means that someone’s gender identity doesn’t align with their sex at birth. Even though the acronym LGBTQ+ includes the T for transgender, as person’s gender identity doesn’t necessarily tell you anything about their sexual orientation. Trans women can be straight and only attracted to men, trans men can be bisexual, etc. etc.

It’s very nice to know that I am not and never been alone I have a feeling that me Chevalier Dion and Elagabalus would’ve been good friends if we were all alive at the same time

As a sis gendered gay man who had a relationship with a trans man f/m . Your telling was done with style and the best of taste

Love this idea! However I think it should've been titled "gender non conforming" because it's more of an umbrella term than non binary

Such an interesting video! Sir Ewan Forbes' story sounds very interesting and I will be adding it to my "to read list"

This was so cool. Thank you so much for telling these stories.

I love that you're making these videos, and are doing so sensitively. In other news, I would follow Nzinga into battle.

This is incredibly important content that is fascinating, and presenting in a visually and audibly engaging way. I absolutely love that you heard the suggestions, and put together such a rare and needed video. Thank you so much.

@Raymondgogolf

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Imehal 👋 I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹

Bro can you imagine how fucking cool it would be to get a Natlan character for Genshin Impact based on Nzinga? We’d literally get black, female and trans representation all at once. Hell, give her a Hydro Vision and maybe we’ll even at last get a Hydro Claymore user as well.

I’ve been learning so much from your videos, and it’s just been fueling my curiosity for Monarchies across the world. I was wondering if you could do a video on Marie Antoinette’s friend Princess de Lamballe? I’ve been trying to learn about her but I have found it difficult finding trustworthy sources on her story.

Watching this for the fifth time and it still fascinates me every time. To think the Nazi targeted trans people and scientific research like that and yet no one talks about it. Very few scientists dares to do research about trans people for a long time afterwards for the fear of persecution I bet. Thank you once again for this valuable video.

I am trying to figure out how Nzinga and Christna are Non-binary. Be careful with assuming that gender non-conforming people or masculine females are non-binary. That is kind of rude too. Not saying that they arent non-binary.

@amberjulia123

10 ай бұрын

Same! Actually none of these people were trans except Ewin.

Thank you for doing this video, Lindsay! I enjoy all of your videos for showcasing what most history classes gloss over, and this one is absolutely wonderful! great stories told very tastefully ❤️

Marcus /elagabalus male Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (born Sextus Varius Avitus Bassianus, c. 204 - 11/12 March 222), better known by his nicknames "Elagabalus" (/ˌɛləˈɡæbələs/, EL-ə-GAB-ə-ləs) and Heliogabalus (/ˌhiːliə-, -lioʊ-/ HEE-lee-ə-, -⁠lee-oh-[3]), was Roman emperor from 218 to 222, while he was still a teenager. His short reign was conspicuous for sex scandals and religious controversy. A close relative to the Severan dynasty, he came from a prominent Arab family in Emesa (Homs), Syria, where since his early youth he served as head priest of the sun god Elagabal. After the death of his cousin, the emperor Caracalla, Elagabalus was raised to the principate at 14 years of age in an army revolt instigated by his grandmother Julia Maesa against Caracalla's short-lived successor, Macrinus. He only posthumously became known by the Latinised name of his god.[a] kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaGnu62MmaXAqrg.html

I read the Princess Diaries book "Kristina, The Girl King" as a kid and was fascinated by her gender presentation - glad to see she made this list!

@ipercalisse579

Жыл бұрын

She was a she :)

@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360

Жыл бұрын

I wish women weren’t suspected of being trans just bc they rejected the traditional gender roles at the time

Wanting to dress a certain way doesn't make one trans. This was informative in the sense of learning about historical figures, but outside of that it sounds incredibly stupid.

Chevalier d'Eon was one of the top fencers in Europe. The image at 21:29 depicts a celebrated fencing match between the Chevalier de Saint-Georges and Chevalier d’Eon which took place at Carlton House on the 9 April 1787 in the presence of the Prince of Wales, members of the nobility and fencing aficionados. D'Eon won the match, although some believed Saint - Georges deliberately loss in deference to d'Eon's age. Saint - Georges was a former student of d'Eon, was the son of a French aristocrat planter and a Guadeloupean slave. He was raised and educated in France, served in the army, at one point was in the same unit as the fellow mixed race father of author Alexandre Dumas, became a master swordsman, and a noted violinist virtuoso and opera composer.

Watching this makes me more than ever before proud, ecstatic, and beyond grateful to be a black woman of trans experience 🏳️‍⚧️ being a transgender woman is my saving grace and seeing ppl who have dealt with this long before I was born give me solace knowing that trans ppl have been here since the beginning of time hallelujah 🙌🏾 !!!

Its so lovely you brought up Magnus Hirschfeld and included the fact that Nazis destroyed 20+ years of lgbtq and specifically trangender research and history. In America, we see the exact pictures of nazis destroying the sexual institute and were never told just what was being destroyed, having our history doubly destroyed and erased. Its also lovely to hear about someone who was lucky to experience his institution before it was destroyed. Sir Ewan's experience is something I wish i had learned about previously. Wild to think that the same royal family was involved in him keeping himself safe. Although thats another mode of proof that money will protect its own, seeing as the UK is downright awful to non royal trans people still

@Flamsterette

Жыл бұрын

"Lovely" isn't the word I would use, but okay.

thank you for this great and informative content and for showing the reality that transgender people are not a creation of modern society but a natural variation in human beings that have always existed.

I absolutely love all your LGBT videos! Just curious though, do you have any similar vids in the works for asexual or aromatic nobles?

@rockingthemike

2 жыл бұрын

this would also be a very interesting topic!

@atticusgrace277

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@lilymarinovic1644

2 жыл бұрын

Given the pressure to marry and breed, I would think there would be very few if any who would admit to being asexual or aromantic.

@merrymermaid

2 жыл бұрын

would love this!!!

@roriemarie2968

2 жыл бұрын

If you were a woman that had no interest in sex...you could just be pious..women were not supposed to enjoy sex in some cultures. Only naughty women. So A sexual may be hard to spot.

love this! this might be a long shot, but do you think you could do a video on asexual or aromantic royals?

never in my life have i clicked on a video so fast, thank you so much Lindsay!!! Edit: I'm seeing comments verging of TERF material so let me just throw in my two cents on the off chance this comment section becomes too much of a shit storm (which i know it will not because histroy tea time viewers are better than that😌 ): I feel the simple solution would be to replace the term non-binary with gender non-conforming. But it is also worth noting that gender is an intensely abstract concept whose interpretation varies widely from culture to culture and person to person no matter how hard we try- from our modern standpoint- to apply definitions of the gender binary and deviations from it. In many African cultures, woman/manhood often places intense emphasis on roles more than it does on one's physical attributes. If Nzinga's tribe is anything like my own (Kikuyu) the simple fact that she was sterilized and therefore not able to have children automatically had the effect of disqualifying her from the role of womanhood and it is also likely that she would have agreed (which is severely fucked up and very sad but still likely). Conversations about queer people in history are crucial but linguistically difficult to have. The fact is we will never know what words they would have used for themselves if at all, but it just so happens that the words we have tend to fit the description of the bits and pieces of information left over from their relatively obscure lives and it's wonderful that people like Lindsay at least attempt to share their stories.

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that non-binary is a meaningless term whereas gender non-conforming is much more precise. The real problem comes when people try to use the subjective and ever shifting notions of gender to trump the objective reality of sex and say that a man can become an actual woman simply by 'identifying' as one.

@almostclintnewton8478

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ tl;dr: It is not about "Identifying" it is about being. When we talk about gender we speak in terms of a collection of experiences and the labels we feel best apply to them. Unfortunately, the only person who truly understands one's experience is themself. If we insist on treating the strict male/female binary and the idea that you are only the parts you are born with and the standards grafted onto you as a viable and widely applicable concept we inevitably run into a lot of dumb ass problems. So a few things: 1. I say gender non-conforming is a better fit for the title than non-binary I mean it in the sense that gender non-conforming is a much broader term and therefore more fitting for ambiguous situations where no one is entirely sure what was going on e.g was this person just trying to be their most authentic self, as in the case of Sir Ewan, or were they earnestly performing a role to the best of their ability? In all these cases the only thing we can say for sure is that they did not conform to the gender they had been assigned initially. 2. The only "objective reality" of sex is that some of us are built to pump babies in and some of us are built to push babies out and even that's not a hard and fast rule because infertility is a thing. People have more of a certain hormone than they are told they should literally all the time, genitalia forms "ambiguously", so do proportions. This line of thinking is fine when applied to animals but we as humans have this thing where the societies we form do not rely on figuring out who gets to fuck who and much less on making people act according to their biology. And whenever we *do* try to function like that things get very frustrating for everyone. 3. "An actual woman" is itself an intensely subjective phrase. If to you, manhood is the shaft between two thighs and a body that predominantly makes testosterone then you are going to end up leaving out a lot of men. Invalidating transgender people by saying that their experience is not possible only serves to perpetuate cycles of harm and frustration that it would cost us nothing to break. edit: sorry for the lecture but i had thoughts

@Thatssomebadhatharry1

2 жыл бұрын

@@almostclintnewton8478 men cannot be women , women cannot be men. Sex is invalidating by nature because we are two separate classes within our species.do grow up

I love that you cover this, Lindsay. It's very comforting to hear about LGBTQIA+ royals.

that emperor was a ma’am lol

Nzinga is definitely a hero.

i've just discovered your channel and honestly the way you treat gender / transgenderism with such sensitivity is so nice to hear esp in the anti-trans climate of the uk i have to live in all the time. hearing about historical trans people and the way they were (sometimes) accepted by loved ones and could live as their true selves gives me hope and validation, which is really needed when so many people claim that it's just atrend we'll all grow out of. thank you :)

Queen Nzinga should not be on this thumbnail! She was not non binary. She just took on the role of a “man” as a leader and negotiator for her people.

ahhh i love these videos you make, it's so fascinating learning about lgbt people throughout history, as it just proves that we as people haven't changed- it's just society that has. obviously we still have a long ways to go, but i always like to wonder how these historical figures would have reacted to the knowledge that in many areas of the world, people like them would go on to be accepted and even celebrated in some communities. kinda bittersweet since they never saw it for themselves, but i feel they'd be proud to know that the world has gradually progressed into a more accepting place.

This was fascinating! Thank you for your sensitivity with these historical figures, I feel that many would not have put in that care.

This was such a beautiful video. It's such a relief to know that people like this have always existed

@Thatssomebadhatharry1

2 жыл бұрын

Lgb people have yes, many were gender non conforming - that doesn’t make any trans

I love Kristina 🇸🇪🏳️‍⚧️ learning about them has been life-changing.

As someone who is intersex I found your presentation very interesting and informative.

This was so fascinating on all aspects!

Nzinga was not trans…….just a fierce strong woman

Your videos are just wonderful. Thanks for sharing with us.

Wow! What a fascinating video! History is filled with such wonderful gems.

In times and cultures where a Queen could not hold the ultimate power of a king, I think it’s a bit of a leap to call Women like King Nzinga and pharaoh Hatshepsut either transgender or non-binary. In fact, that’s kind of sexist. They used male titles so that their power would not be questioned and yet this has led you to question their gender. Just as it is rude to refuse to acknowledge The pronouns somebody asks you to use, it is also rude to infer that a strong woman who will not conform to sex role stereotypes as gender bending

@marcybons

Жыл бұрын

first of all clean up your act, terms like gender bending are considered very insensitive by most trans people. second of all, pretty sure there's even more facts related to nzinga's story behind this, let's not forget that lindsay surely does a lot more and deeper research than just what's read in the script for the videos. pretty sure the implication of nzinga's choices (not just of their title) is that they were nonbinary, not a ftm trans person, meaning they could very well still have identified as feminine to some degree and still be trans. in case you missed it, there's a whole section of their part of the video that mentions how they surrounded themself with a literal harem of actual culturally recognized nonbinary people, those third gender shamans. "harem" means they were likely nzinga's sexual partners, and if not that, their closest social circle. that also adds to the contextual evidence for them having been nonbinary (or their culture's equivalent at the time) since it's a trend across history that lgbt people, especially ones in power, would form their social circles, courts and such out of people with similar identities or orientations as themselves, as that would often be the safest way to find romantic and sexual partners. or in some cultures, the most acceptable way according to traditions. also, i don't recall any mention in the video of queens being seen as less powerful than kings in nzinga's particular culture; only that their presumably older brother inherited the title before they did. or are you perhaps an expert in older angolan cultures and societies, or someone who's done extensive research on it? because if not, most of your argument doesn't seem based on facts at all, but rather more modern and western variations of transphobia.

@lisah8438

Жыл бұрын

​@@marcybons Mark is not the only one saying that Nzinga wasn't trans. Their lovers probably were but Nzinga probably weren't.

Excellent video, Lindsay. Thoroughly researched, well-presented, and so respectful. (jumps on couch) I love this channel! 🤣😆😁 But seriously, nicely done.

Could you please do a series of The wives of the presidents of the United States please

In your attempt not to 'offend' anyone you made this so complicated that I am turning it off.

It was nice to hear that Nzinga had a great life and lived to be ancient. A lot of historical accounts of transgender and GNC people end tragically so its nice to here ones which don’t.

Sending love to Lindsay for presenting history in the coolest way possible 💕

Thank you so much for doing this one! I had asked for something like this on your video about queer historical figures, and was really disconcerted that someone commented "no one wants that." Clearly, 109,000 views say otherwise!

@shawnaweesner3759

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you require validation for what you believe?

@ennanitsua

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, validation wasn't really the concern. I was upset at the transphobia in that person's response, and I'm thrilled that so many others don't share those views. For views like this that make a real, material difference to the safety and quality of life of Trans and gender-nonconforming people, I worry about the real-world implications of attitudes like that. Also, like with questions of race, it's important to remind people that these identities aren't new in Europe, especially as hate speech gets louder in public arenas.

@SM-yz4hi

Жыл бұрын

@Shawna Weesner is it crazy for people to want stories about those who are/were like them?

You're doing a great job. I enjoy watching your videos. :) And since you are speaking clearly it is easy for me to understand what you say, even though I am German and English isn't my main language. :) So I can learn about history and improve my English. :) Thank you for the great work.

It's a pretty terrifying time in history to be trans in America. So thank you for this wonderful treat Lindsay🥺😭❤❤❤

@russellishihara8390

2 жыл бұрын

HOW is it a "terrifying" time ? You are considered a special, protected class of citizens. You people make up less than 1 % of the population yet your beliefs are being pushed onto society so aggressively , and with such frequency, that one would think that you made up 90% of the population. This constant bombardment of prop@ganda is putting confusion into the minds of impressionable, vulnerable youths. Nobody is saying that people should not have the freedom to be whatever they like, but the soci@l engin÷÷ring camp@igns that are t@rgeting the youth with this stuff NEEDS TO STOP. 🛑

Nzinga was my great great great (ect.) grandma and as a trans kid I literally was so excited and surpirsed to see her included in this video

@shavingmypiano

2 жыл бұрын

That's cool!

@Worldobserver567

2 жыл бұрын

not true

@9roselove9

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know that?

@therapy4one946

2 жыл бұрын

@@9roselove9 my dad and my grandma has made a hobby of researching our family history for years and they love telling this story

@dewilew2137

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine bragging about being related to a slave trader.