TRAINWRECKORDS: Katy Perry's "Witness"

How could Katy Perry's woke period have collapsed her career so quickly?
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  • @rbpcuus
    @rbpcuus13 күн бұрын

    Something tells me that Katy Perry will be the first one to have two albums featured in the series ☠️

  • @austintayeshus1

    @austintayeshus1

    10 күн бұрын

    ty. returning here for todd's continued relevance. my man.

  • @llucero94

    @llucero94

    8 күн бұрын

    Todd alluded to covering Lulu at the end of the St. Anger episode

  • @Ramonatho

    @Ramonatho

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@llucero94 Lulu is bad but at least has meat on the bone for Lou Reed fans. Not Metallica fans, but that's why the album is named after Lou Reed and Metallica, and not the other way around. It's a Lou Reed album and for that, I kinda like it.

  • @dieterdelange9488

    @dieterdelange9488

    5 күн бұрын

    If this new record flops, it'll be the third one in a row.

  • @jamescarrollau

    @jamescarrollau

    5 сағат бұрын

    Honestly three - I like Katy but Witness, Smile and 143 have the potential of a trainwreckord trilogy.

  • @fey0217
    @fey021721 күн бұрын

    the "oh katy could NEVER work with dr luke now" statement has aged so horribly

  • @koelkastridder3388

    @koelkastridder3388

    12 күн бұрын

    😢😢

  • @nunasdreamnz

    @nunasdreamnz

    12 күн бұрын

    Glad the song sucks though. I don't have to hear it

  • @jtroxler8

    @jtroxler8

    12 күн бұрын

    Toddstradamus strikes again

  • @jlofty281

    @jlofty281

    11 күн бұрын

    I had to come back to this video after the new song reminded me so much of Hey Hey Hey

  • @emmajeane

    @emmajeane

    10 күн бұрын

    "especially not while trying to publicly brand herself as a progressive feminist" ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy lol

  • @willwalsh4371
    @willwalsh4371Ай бұрын

    @8:56 “the point is Katy clearly couldn’t work with Dr. Luke now, especially not while trying to brand herself publicly as a progressive feminist” TODDSTRADAMUS STRIKES AGAIN

  • @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    Ай бұрын

    The trial ended earlier this year, Kesha was let go from Luke’s contract due to him clearly not treating her well. But Luke was also found not guilty. Luke is not a rapist, but that doesn’t mean he’s a good person either.

  • @venusx5012

    @venusx5012

    Ай бұрын

    @@SawdustMusic-rd8mj just because someone doesn't lose a trial doesn't mean they could or could not be guilty? especially in a case as rape where evidence is very cruical to be collected in the moments afterwards? i understand he was not found guilty but you never know...

  • @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    Ай бұрын

    @@venusx5012 fair enough, Luke seems like a pretty uncompationite person regardless. I’ve seen articles about Dr. Luke repeatedly body shaming multiple artists he’s worked with.

  • @billclockwell

    @billclockwell

    Ай бұрын

    What did I miss?

  • @homogenicmp3

    @homogenicmp3

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@billclockwellher upcoming single is produced by Dr Luke

  • @ECKohns
    @ECKohns11 күн бұрын

    And now it’s 8 years later, and Katy Perry is working with Dr. Luke again.

  • @GuillermoLamphar

    @GuillermoLamphar

    11 күн бұрын

    And they put out an awful song. lol

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

  • @walmorcarvalho2512

    @walmorcarvalho2512

    8 күн бұрын

    @@fattiesunite2288 Easy there, tiger. Yes, indeed the R@p3 charges weren't true but that doesn't mean he isn't a scumbag with a poor track record of how he treats the artists on his roster. Katy knows this and still works with him, despite striving to build a feminist persona.

  • @alisonpurgatory85

    @alisonpurgatory85

    8 күн бұрын

    @@fattiesunite2288 the same supreme court that is stacked with Trump appointed judges, one of which was very publicly accused of sexual assault himself, the same court that overturned Roe V Wade? We should trust them why?

  • @brianmidkiff5408
    @brianmidkiff54086 ай бұрын

    I remember being at a gay wedding in 2019 and the DJ played “Swish Swish” and literally everybody left the dance floor. Everybody. It was so wild to see a Katy Perry song clear a dance floor of gays.

  • @SiRenfield

    @SiRenfield

    5 ай бұрын

    It’s also the only song from this album I had any prior experience with since I remember it got a decent amount of radio play so it was often playing on car rides so I at least had the hook stuck in my year even if I had otherwise long tuned out the radio and was more listening to anime OSTs or whatever else I was listening to on my phone or something LOL

  • @dieterdelange9488

    @dieterdelange9488

    5 ай бұрын

    And the irony is that it's the song from Witness she was trying to sell as a gay anthem (hence her performing it with the drag queens). But by 2019 the gays had left Katy for Taylor. 😂😅

  • @davidgjam7600

    @davidgjam7600

    5 ай бұрын

    FFS that's ruthless

  • @sammysstopmotionoas2004

    @sammysstopmotionoas2004

    4 ай бұрын

    WOW! Did they all head right to the bar and get drunk to numb the pain of the cringe?

  • @sonicjrjr14

    @sonicjrjr14

    4 ай бұрын

    Oh this was the album I recall all of my gay friends turning against. It became such a punchline so quickly in the bars.

  • @morganqorishchi8181
    @morganqorishchi8181 Жыл бұрын

    I misheard "shellfish or a sheep" as "selfish little sheep" once and damn, she should've gone with that instead.

  • @joshuacoleman8000

    @joshuacoleman8000

    Жыл бұрын

    Right?!

  • @morganqorishchi8181

    @morganqorishchi8181

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshuacoleman8000 I'm not a singer but I feel like it fits the meter? Or at the very least it's close enough a singer could make it fit. Weird that no one in Katy's orbit told her to change the line.

  • @GamerTowerDX

    @GamerTowerDX

    Жыл бұрын

    Call me crazy, but i think that was the joke. i guess she wanted to include another animal to match the sheep????

  • @plantain.1739

    @plantain.1739

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GamerTowerDX I think you're giving Sia too much credit.

  • @desireandfire

    @desireandfire

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GamerTowerDX it sounds dumb tho. most of Katy's lyrics are cliches or metaphors, even at her most "personal" she's used shit like saving a message as draft or seeing double rainbows lmao

  • @AKNSCrEA
    @AKNSCrEA Жыл бұрын

    My favorite part of the SNL performance is her yelling "Oh shit!" when the track & everyone else is saying "Offset," which is a member of Migos' signature. It shows that she had literally no idea what was going on...even on her own song.

  • @waspswarm870

    @waspswarm870

    Жыл бұрын

    I never noticed that before, its absolutely hilarious especially considering Offset is standing right next to her when she says it. I would pay money to see a transcript of his internal monologue at that moment.

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    I never caught that lol

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie

    @thatkidwiththehoodie

    8 ай бұрын

    @@waspswarm870”just think about the bag you’ll get from this, don’t think about the weird white lady, just focus on the bag”

  • @leaffinite2001

    @leaffinite2001

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@thatkidwiththehoodie words we could all live by

  • @MistyDusker

    @MistyDusker

    Ай бұрын

    @@leaffinite2001 Looking for weird white sugar mommas in my area as we speak.

  • @thereallocke8065
    @thereallocke80652 жыл бұрын

    The tragic thing about the Marie vs Joan thing is that in the end they're both executed in front of cheering crowds. I guess the path is important

  • @louisduarte8763

    @louisduarte8763

    Жыл бұрын

    And both were made scapegoats for things they had no control over, just to satisfy angry bloodthirsty mobs.

  • @highbread817

    @highbread817

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@louisduarte8763eh I mean Marie Antoinette wasn't the most sympathetic character. She opposed every type of reform and lived a lavish life w/o much regard for the people She wasn't some powerless damsel

  • @dannerhoinowski9520

    @dannerhoinowski9520

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that was stuck in my head the whole time watching the segment about Hey Hey Hey. Pretty ironic considering how different they were, but like you said, the path is important.

  • @_Pauper_

    @_Pauper_

    9 ай бұрын

    @@highbread817the Prussian had it comin’

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    @@highbread817lol that could apply to Katy Perry as well!

  • @RubenGonzalez-gr6of
    @RubenGonzalez-gr6of2 жыл бұрын

    "She is a Marie Antoinette who fantasizes being Joan of Arc" is possibly the most accurate way to describe this era of Katy's career. Holy s**t it's so true it hurts!

  • @joselevyjrbiojan1166

    @joselevyjrbiojan1166

    2 жыл бұрын

    How come I've never saw it this way. It's sad and heartbreaking.

  • @AlcoholicBoredom

    @AlcoholicBoredom

    2 жыл бұрын

    She was my first concert I’d ever been to with Teenage Dream, I have that undying love for that experience.

  • @KS-gh9ze

    @KS-gh9ze

    2 жыл бұрын

    funny, someone here does not know anything about marie anoinette or joan of arc... but still complains.

  • @RubenGonzalez-gr6of

    @RubenGonzalez-gr6of

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KS-gh9ze How I'm I complaining?. I'm just stating what I feel. This album was plastic and empty. Katy may have had lovely and good natured ideas of change and equality but in the end it was all an artifice wrapped in nothingness. It's sad how forced it sounds, it's not the Katy we know and love. She takes many concepts from this and puts them in Smile, and they shine because it's earnest and has meaning to her as a person and an artist. Marie Antoinette and Joan of Arc had complex lives and yet culturally we will remember one as a wealthy noble woman who lavished in her rich lifestyle while her country suffered and the other one as a martyr who was betrayed by those who worshipped her not so long ago. Both of there downfalls came from patriarchal points of view, Marie didn't have much influence in political decisions and yet the public hated her, she has been remembered ever since as the "let them eat cake" airhead. Joan was named a witch and burned for her undying faith by the same people that were clamoring she was graced by God. Most people usually don't care about the actual history, symbols are easier to understand and remember.

  • @Hammerhead547

    @Hammerhead547

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nah. She was more Imelda Marcos fantasizing about being Mother Theresa. A shallow vapid material obsessed money grubbing tool who is desperate to be seen as a self sacrificing compassionate thoughtful "woman of the people".

  • @fc7777fc
    @fc7777fc2 жыл бұрын

    I remember exactly three things about the Witness era. 1. Liking Chained to the Rhythm 2. Being genuinely grossed out by the Bon Appetite video 3. Thinking that striped coat she wore on SNL made her look like Beetlejuice

  • @whitneymouse

    @whitneymouse

    2 жыл бұрын

    4. Backpack kid 😂

  • @warlockboy3864

    @warlockboy3864

    2 жыл бұрын

    6. "Is math related to science?"

  • @DevanLund

    @DevanLund

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jtlovescodelyoko I'm surprised Todd didn't mention that on like Day 2 of that stream, Taylor announced she was putting all her music back on streaming services, and you could tell Katy found out and was NOT happy the rest of the stream.

  • @alex-sensei

    @alex-sensei

    2 жыл бұрын

    literally, same here

  • @noemistephanie93

    @noemistephanie93

    2 жыл бұрын

    7. She copied Miley’s ugly blonde hair cut

  • @FuglyStick
    @FuglyStick2 жыл бұрын

    In her defense, it's not hard to imagine that she was really tired of being perceived as a shallow, insubstantial pop bimbo, no matter how innocuous, but just didn't have the chops to break out of that mold in any effective way.

  • @MelancholyRequiem

    @MelancholyRequiem

    5 ай бұрын

    I totally get what you're saying and agree with the first part. However, I think she failed spectacularly at breaking out of that mold because she did so many interviews and promotions that proved she really was that shallow insubstantial pop bimbo. I never thought she was flat-out stupid, vacuous, and out-of-touch until after Witness came out. Had she done this image change on a smaller scale, she would have been fine, respected even, instead of looking like she just wanted attention.

  • @1987MartinT

    @1987MartinT

    18 күн бұрын

    It's kinda like an actor who has been typecast in one specific kind of role, and is trying to break away from it by taking a role that is jarringly at odds with the typecasting. Only for the audience to reject them for it. I get it. I can see how being typecast can be frustrating. But, when trying to break from the typecasting, one should brace oneself for the backlash and rejection for it. Because that is likely to happen. When you're typecast in a specific type of role it's usually because people want to see you in that kind of role. With Katy, when she tried to stand for things and be serious, people rejected it and said "No. We don't want that from you.", and I get why that would be hurtful and depressing for her. But, at the same time, I'm not surprised that the audience reacted to it in this way, and I think she should have seen it coming too.

  • @growingupwithdisney

    @growingupwithdisney

    16 күн бұрын

    @@1987MartinT yeah, very different from Miley Cyrus breaking away from Hannah Montana and coming out with Bangers, she was completely unapologetically herself and was MAKING you okay with her new self, and the songs she released were actually good, so people still liked it. I think Katy Perry struggles with identity issues, so it is hard for her to know how to portray herself, hence ion all the serious moments she makes goofy faces. I think she is too aware of how she is perceived, and is focused on that, rather than trying to just be herself. Even now with her Woman's World song that is about to come out, she is still just doing stuff for others. Witness was her attempt at being different from what she usually does, but it's still not her being herself, it's trying to be political (although I still like the song Chained To The Rhythm)

  • @AquiNoHayNadaParaTi.4
    @AquiNoHayNadaParaTi.412 күн бұрын

    Get ready, everyone! Katy about to be the 1st artist to be featured on Trainwreckords twice!

  • @jonova3187

    @jonova3187

    7 күн бұрын

    maybe her other songs from 143 sound promising

  • @mitchellalexander9162

    @mitchellalexander9162

    6 күн бұрын

    That's not how this works.

  • @josephjarosch8739
    @josephjarosch87392 жыл бұрын

    Bon Appetit *could* have worked. Sexual cannibalism as a metaphor for what showbusiness does to young talent, especially young female talent, is so perfect that it all but writes itself. But it would take a very delicate hand to stick the landing. 'Witness' era Katy Perry does not have a delicate hand.

  • @eamonndeane587

    @eamonndeane587

    2 жыл бұрын

    I could see that song working with a singer like Bjork. Her Surreal Output makes me think she could pull it off

  • @soniquecat4745

    @soniquecat4745

    Жыл бұрын

    @@eamonndeane587 Or Gaga. She was not afraid to be disturbing. Katy's inability to act without making hundered goofy faces ruins it. Imagine this done with a singer who looks actually terrified throughout the video. Who is not afraid to look ugly. Not trying to look like adorable goofball (I mean, Katy cried when people did not like her woke haircut and started to grow it out immediatelly).

  • @ltbq

    @ltbq

    Жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what The Neon Demon does, the movie that inspired the artwork.

  • @ChrisTopher-id4mz

    @ChrisTopher-id4mz

    Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately Ke$ha did it better. Check out “cannibal”

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of the weird video Bieber did for Yummy. Definitely feel like the are wanting to expose something but it doesn’t seem to translate to the public 100%

  • @nickman2345
    @nickman23452 жыл бұрын

    Paula by Robin Thicke: Gets a Trainwreckord episode 5 years after release Witness by Katy Perry: Gets a Trainwreckord episode 5 years after release Man of the Woods by Justin Timberlake: Sweats nervously Edit: I was one year off but I don't care. The prophecy has been fulfilled.

  • @theuselessmember

    @theuselessmember

    2 жыл бұрын

    Overdue on The Beginning by the Black Eyed Peas.

  • @TuesdaysArt

    @TuesdaysArt

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oooo...I guess I already have something to look forward to in 2023.

  • @sirgemini5743

    @sirgemini5743

    2 жыл бұрын

    looks like i'll be patiently waiting for 2024 when todd covers chance the rapper's the big day

  • @victorvilchesf

    @victorvilchesf

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was expecting a 10 year anniversary of Lou Reed's Lulu. But Timberlake is a nice contender.

  • @jetster4117

    @jetster4117

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sirgemini5743 ill actually be so excited if he covers that

  • @ninjabluefyre3815
    @ninjabluefyre381510 ай бұрын

    Strange to say, I think this should've been a rock opera. Think about it. A concept album where Katy plays a caricature of herself becoming aware of the evils of her industry and trying to be a hero and stop it, with a full, tragic narrative. It couldve worked better than just a bunch of songs.

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    I would love to see this. It could have started w Bon Appetit - where her hair is hacked off and she transforms. I loved tommy as a kid so I’d love to see more conceptual works like that.

  • @MajorOctofuss

    @MajorOctofuss

    7 ай бұрын

    Why did she name it hey hey hey? Like I know she sings that but its such a terrible name for a song

  • @averagesizedperson

    @averagesizedperson

    6 ай бұрын

    @@__rm307 Swish Swish could've been about how the industry pits women against each other

  • @VioletNKisHere

    @VioletNKisHere

    6 ай бұрын

    That would be so good

  • @ButterStick64

    @ButterStick64

    5 ай бұрын

    Wouldn’t it end up being The Wall at home, though?

  • @sabrinatheart
    @sabrinatheart2 жыл бұрын

    I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve watched this specific episode. Something about a modern pop star completely flopping through this kind of a record is so striking and interesting to learn about. Favorite Trainwreckords episode to date

  • @alannahfisherman1321

    @alannahfisherman1321

    Жыл бұрын

    The storytelling was very on point. If you’re interested, I recommend a channel called Pop Dissected and his video on why Witness was a commercial flop.

  • @darkartsninja

    @darkartsninja

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here. It makes me look forward to (whenever Todd will release it) the "Man of the Woods" episode. This episode is personal to me because Katy was a major star when I was in high school

  • @DiabloSandwich59

    @DiabloSandwich59

    Жыл бұрын

    He was a little too hard on the SNL performance tho

  • @omarxperez

    @omarxperez

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DiabloSandwich59 no it is very cringe. he didn’t even say much on it tbh. just trashed migos which feels right after everything

  • @maxresdefault_

    @maxresdefault_

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@DiabloSandwich59It's such an infamous moment, he kinda had to talk about it with so much detail

  • @anamelessyoutuber1462
    @anamelessyoutuber14622 жыл бұрын

    I think Katy Perry was the first artist that made me go "You know, I haven't heard from them in a while. Strange because I remember when they were one of the most popular people ever."

  • @toliveandfry

    @toliveandfry

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fr

  • @dork7546

    @dork7546

    2 жыл бұрын

    You know, it's kinda weird now how Kesha and Willow Smith are bigger than Katy Perry. My 15 year old self would have never believed this.

  • @hilotakenaka

    @hilotakenaka

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same here, though I feel like Taylor is approaching that status too.

  • @JV4LONGONG

    @JV4LONGONG

    2 жыл бұрын

    For real

  • @Malum09

    @Malum09

    2 жыл бұрын

    I thought the same thing once I started watching the video!

  • @Loverofcamprock
    @Loverofcamprock2 жыл бұрын

    for latin american fandoms it kind of coined a phrase similar to 'in your flop era',,, we say 'pasando la witness' which literally translates as 'going through your witness' , kind of..... we use it when something gives you second-hand embarrassment or 'cringe'.

  • @djcm381

    @djcm381

    Жыл бұрын

    Nunca había escuchado eso, pero 100% lo creo jajajajaja

  • @gersinhooo5354

    @gersinhooo5354

    Жыл бұрын

    Where?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @lovstat

    @lovstat

    9 ай бұрын

    nunca lo había escuchado pero si es súper ingenioso ngl jfjfjnf

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    That’s hilarious 😂

  • @2-Way_Intersection

    @2-Way_Intersection

    8 ай бұрын

    man, i wish that idea caught on in the states. imagine every hard flop album out of a massive star being called a 'witness album"

  • @adam_nathan
    @adam_nathan Жыл бұрын

    Interestingly “Hey Ya” by Outkast was a song about the vacuousness of pop songs but it was cryptic enough to not insult anyone and had the hooks to distract people completely (ironically)

  • @tdiman46

    @tdiman46

    Жыл бұрын

    and i'd argue the fact that it distracted people only added on to the point of the song. it proved its point. cttr didnt do any of that

  • @t_albino

    @t_albino

    Жыл бұрын

    I'd say its more about the end of a relationship than anything else - but yeah, it does make lots of references to that too. The sincerity of Andre 3000's performance is what sells the show.

  • @benjamintillema3572

    @benjamintillema3572

    Жыл бұрын

    "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance"

  • @ciscokid3430

    @ciscokid3430

    11 ай бұрын

    It took digs at the vacuousness of pop songs, but as a whole it was about the bitter end of a relationship.

  • @MooseGuy

    @MooseGuy

    11 ай бұрын

    to be fair, hey ya could play in a pop playlist and blend in completely, which probably helped it in that regard

  • @marcellagflowers
    @marcellagflowers Жыл бұрын

    I imagine you can only say Bon Appetit is her most explicit song bc you've blocked all memories of Peacock 😔

  • @rosalinecapulet

    @rosalinecapulet

    Жыл бұрын

    Tbf I can’t really blame anyone who wants to forget that song 😆

  • @heymistercarter.

    @heymistercarter.

    Жыл бұрын

    It was the most explicit song of hers that had a video and was released as a single. I don't think either were true about Peacock.

  • @morgansheehy1772

    @morgansheehy1772

    Жыл бұрын

    lmao I used to listen to that song when I was feeling sad because it was so raunchy and ridiculous that it would instantly cheer me up

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie

    @thatkidwiththehoodie

    Жыл бұрын

    Eh, Peacock still fits within her typical cheesy, somewhat juvenile type of sexuality. Sure, it’s a swear word technically, but any edginess is swiftly smothered by a corny-ass bird pun.

  • @bingbam5093

    @bingbam5093

    10 ай бұрын

    i love peacock it’s so unnecessarily dirty and funny

  • @augustalavenderblue7353
    @augustalavenderblue73532 жыл бұрын

    The way she looked and sounded when she said "but, you know, you'll still have some of that good old Katy Perry fluffy stuff that you love so much" sounded so miserable and self loathing, that I saw it in a movie about a pop star despairing about her vapid image overcoming her hidden depths i would have thought it was too on-the-nose.

  • @Hethond

    @Hethond

    2 жыл бұрын

    She reminded me a lot of robin sparkles in “How I met your mother” most of the time.

  • @heymistercarter.

    @heymistercarter.

    2 жыл бұрын

    And it’s crazy how she says it like it’s a choice for her to be either someone who talks about more serious issues or someone who makes fun summer jams. Yet it’s very much possible for both to be the case, for songs to be enjoyed for both the fun, exciting music while still having important things to say. Heck, Katy had already done it at least once in her career with Firework, which is an energetic, fun song you can enjoy on a dance floor and with friends, but still appreciate it for its empowering message. Lady GaGa also did it with Born This Way, an electrifying, easily danceable song that still carries an important message about self-love and acceptance. So with Katy seeming to indicate people are telling her that if she’s going in a sociopolitical direction, that she’d have to give the fun stuff up too, I just want to say that she can kill two birds with one stone in her music.

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie

    @thatkidwiththehoodie

    2 жыл бұрын

    “Is this what you wanted, you vultures?!”

  • @talynhastime9343

    @talynhastime9343

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@heymistercarter. I feel like maybe Katy was thinking too hard on it, like the more you overthink the message, the more fake and contrived the product ends up being.

  • @mrflipperinvader7922

    @mrflipperinvader7922

    2 жыл бұрын

    You mean "that if I saw it in a movie?"

  • @crazycatlady2744
    @crazycatlady27442 жыл бұрын

    Katy referring to herself as "liberated" while looking like she's on the brink of tears is probably one of the most depressing things I've seen in a while.

  • @mayaklast6334

    @mayaklast6334

    2 жыл бұрын

    ... watched the news this week?

  • @j_g9109

    @j_g9109

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 An upcoming war isn’t as depressing...

  • @drb4074

    @drb4074

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hell if I could ever understand these rich, famous people and their perception of being imprisoned. Rest of us out here worrying about putting food on our tables, going to jobs we don't like (if we're lucky enough to have one), and staring down the barrel of decades of grinding just to survive. Now we get to worry about potential nuclear wars again thanks to incompetent leadership (or malevolent, depending on your view) in the West.

  • @mish375

    @mish375

    2 жыл бұрын

    The entertainment industry continually lies and says these women are liberated, but these women are just selling themselves to make money and call it liberation. It's all part of the same system.

  • @tennypenny8737

    @tennypenny8737

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@drb4074 I mean from what I hear, fame isn't exactly all it's clamored up to be. You have constant public scrutiny, no privacy, and you have a facade to keep up to the public 24/7 unless they want them to eat them up. It's basically putting up a permeant act unable to truly be yourself or even human. ...Not that that's any worse than what you said but if anything I hope that at least provides some perspective on that matter so famous people problems with being imprisoned makes some kind of sense.

  • @overweightactor
    @overweightactor Жыл бұрын

    I think Todd's theory about pre-flopping is bigger than just Katy Perry. You see the same thing in video games, where one game becomes a huge success, and a sequel is hastily shat out to capitalize on that, which ruins the franchise's reputation, leading to the third game doing poorly. Usually, the second game will sell well, despite being bad, and the third game will sell poorly, despite being not as bad.

  • @AllardRT

    @AllardRT

    Жыл бұрын

    Razorfist said it best: "The only thing worse than a bad game that nobody bought is a bad game that everyone bought"

  • @eamonndeane587

    @eamonndeane587

    Жыл бұрын

    That description could easily be applied to the Last Two Eidos Tomb Raider Games. Tomb Raider: The Angel Of Darkness gets the brunt of the Criticism that was more deserved for Tomb Raider Chronicles.

  • @chrisr1091

    @chrisr1091

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch dogs 2 comes to mind, the first one sucked hard but 2 was pretty good and genuinely fun in a goofy way but did not see the success that the first one did because of the rep of the first game.

  • @AllardRT

    @AllardRT

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chrisr1091 Really? Because I didn't buy Watch_Dogs 2 because the promo materials made me think that it was just oversaturated zoomer garbage with a bunch of insufferable kids as the principal cast.

  • @user-kw7mr6xt9n

    @user-kw7mr6xt9n

    7 ай бұрын

    My first thought was the last Jedi and solo

  • @cherrypopscile3385
    @cherrypopscile3385 Жыл бұрын

    Katy Perry singing about how pop music makes people stupid is like Motley Crue singing about the virtues of monogamy and how bad drugs are.

  • @TSFboi

    @TSFboi

    Жыл бұрын

    i gotta find myself some pop

  • @ShadowSorel

    @ShadowSorel

    Жыл бұрын

    BRANDON I LOVE YOU I LOVE HER SHE IS YOUR MOM

  • @qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn

    @qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ShadowSorel what in god's name are you rambling about?

  • @lames232

    @lames232

    Жыл бұрын

    @@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn it's a reference to the song "brandon" from motley crue's "generation swine"

  • @nickrustyson8124

    @nickrustyson8124

    10 ай бұрын

    Though to be fair, a song about how drugs will fuck you up tend to be pretty good, see Cocaine by Eric Clapton

  • @VersaceJesus
    @VersaceJesus2 жыл бұрын

    Instead of the Hunger Games, she should have been inspired by Clueless. "I genuinely want to help people but I'm too rich and shallow to quite figure it out" is a decent hook for winning people over. Its clumsy instead of cringeworthy. And Taylor Swift fits the Tai role

  • @TheLowBrassDude

    @TheLowBrassDude

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a shame that Iggy Azalea already tried to lay claim to that persona

  • @shinyskunk

    @shinyskunk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLowBrassDude yeah, and that the song was so successful and also reviled that it kind of ruined it for everyone.

  • @TacticusPrime

    @TacticusPrime

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLowBrassDude She made a video with the Clueless aesthetic. I wouldn't say that he tried for an actual Cher attitude.

  • @Anomaly188

    @Anomaly188

    Жыл бұрын

    Katy Perry isn't that smart, and shallow people rarely have enough self-awareness to know they're completely shallow.

  • @adam.n-steve

    @adam.n-steve

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Anomaly188 But to me, Katy Perry is far more genuine despite being shallow and ignorant than people like Taylor Swift. Honestly, I think that's probably because she became washed up so it kinda humanized her. As opposed to Taylor Swift who failed at "shade never made anyone else less gay". But yeah, she might not have self-awareness.

  • @MisterJackTheAttack
    @MisterJackTheAttack2 жыл бұрын

    In some alternate, arguably worse, universe, this episode is a One Hit Wonderland of I Kissed a Girl by Katy Perry. In the "did they deserve better?" section, Todd admits that he would have liked to hear more and this kind of music is a guilty pleasure of his. All without a hint of shame.

  • @calmbbaer

    @calmbbaer

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, he could do a One Hit Wonderland for "I Kissed a Girl." Just not Katy Perry's.

  • @Crazy56U

    @Crazy56U

    Жыл бұрын

    The Failed Follow-Up would be California Girls.

  • @therebelreaper1486

    @therebelreaper1486

    11 ай бұрын

    I'd definitely say that universe would be much, much better

  • @evangelistamono2200

    @evangelistamono2200

    10 ай бұрын

    @@calmbbaerthe Jill Sobule one from the 90s that’s actually about lesbianism?

  • @antibishonen

    @antibishonen

    9 ай бұрын

    Waking Up in Vegas turn her around. And so did TGIF.

  • @Stormith
    @Stormith Жыл бұрын

    It’s hilarious to think that 10 years ago we considered Roar vs Applause as a battle of the pop divas, but nowadays Gaga is collecting songwriting awards and become an actress and Katy has become almost completely forgotten. It just really provides context to what you said about how she never really had a distinct direction and over the following decade it became apparent

  • @iwakeupandboomimarat

    @iwakeupandboomimarat

    Жыл бұрын

    plus how the albums the songs are from have been viewed - artpop is largely seen as being misunderstood by critics of its time while prism is almost entirely forgotten. legit one of my favourite songs rn is an artpop b side and i could not name a single b side from prism lmao

  • @marvelousTUD

    @marvelousTUD

    Жыл бұрын

    @@iwakeupandboomimaratWhat’s the name of the Artpop B-side that you like so much? I need to hear it!

  • @iwakeupandboomimarat

    @iwakeupandboomimarat

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marvelousTUD mary jane holland! its not a masterpiece fair warning but i fucking adore it lol, i also enjoy donatella and swine but idk if they count as b sides

  • @auwanho

    @auwanho

    11 ай бұрын

    @@soldjaroffortun3if you have to listen to one Artpop b side, it’s Brooklyn nights. If you have to listen to one Gaga song, it’s probably also Brooklyn night. Other honourable mentions are: Princess die (live only, all studio version are fake), Partynauseous, Stache (Princess High). In an alternate universe, this b-side album would be the biggest event album that launched industrial EDM to new heights.

  • @eraldo1198

    @eraldo1198

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@iwakeupandboomimaratPrism doing 3x amount of streams that Artpop does daily. Critics don't give you streams hun

  • @nina7910
    @nina791020 күн бұрын

    Really cool how Katy vaporized any ounce of sympathy that Todd mentions in the conclusion by deciding to work with Dr. Luke again. It's like she's obsessed with making bad decisions!

  • @redluis369
    @redluis3692 жыл бұрын

    "The term Flop era was coined as a direct result of this album" That even transcended language barriors, in the latin american pop music fandom Witness is still widely used as a synonym of shame.

  • @Tzilandi

    @Tzilandi

    2 жыл бұрын

    So people are saying things like "This album is [Latin Pop Musician]s Witness"? Man, that's just brutal.

  • @dundee6402

    @dundee6402

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Tzilandi I saw someone recently say that "Dawn FM is going to be TheWeeknd's Witness" or something like that. That album is STILL widely known as a moment of shame in the pop fandom in general.

  • @MiloKuroshiro

    @MiloKuroshiro

    2 жыл бұрын

    I always comparer with Lotus and the Lotus tour lol

  • @andressotil4671

    @andressotil4671

    2 жыл бұрын

    Such as who? I don´t know of any latam pop artist who are on the outs right now

  • @maneki_Mew_kaneshiro

    @maneki_Mew_kaneshiro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, go on r/popheads and a ton of pop music fans use “flop era” on a regular basis! Same with “witness era”, although rn Lorde’s Solar Power is gaining popularity in referring to an album that did nothing

  • @notrealnamenotatall2476
    @notrealnamenotatall24762 жыл бұрын

    I think the problem with Katy Perry is that in the beginning she gave off a shallow bubbliness- like a warm bath. It ain't too deep, but it can be enjoyable. Then she tried to reinvent herself to 'get with the times' and that bathtub turned into a puddle.

  • @CrossOfGoldWJB

    @CrossOfGoldWJB

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agree completely. imo she didn’t “get woke” or educated, she just got preachy. She went from shallow but fun to just shallow.

  • @SuperJNG18

    @SuperJNG18

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's like being in a hot tub for too long when the heat starts to get less and less comfortable. Then you look over and realize the jets are off but there are still bubbles...

  • @realtalk13

    @realtalk13

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah perry's biggest problem is her disdain for being offensive, ironic given that she burst onto the scene with a tongue in cheek song about casual girl-on-girl that got the conservatives up in arms and Ur So Gay, which got many liberals up in arm. Maybe because she experienced backlash for those things, she decided to make generic, inoffensive pop music. She's just done it for so long that she doesn't know how to not: even when she's trying to have a message, it's the most lukewarm neutral position she can take

  • @Wynneception

    @Wynneception

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s like when a rock band that is known for being fun like say a college rock band releases an album that they say is them going in a “deeper, more serious and more mature direction for the band”, absolute death knell that the songs are going to suck.

  • @TheSongwritingCat

    @TheSongwritingCat

    2 жыл бұрын

    Earnest uncertainty is a difficult posture to adopt in this kind of pop music.

  • @Akursedtime
    @Akursedtime Жыл бұрын

    When she said "Liberated" I almost wanted to be like "Blink twice and confirm you are not in danger because you are close to tears."

  • @StephenSbiroli
    @StephenSbiroli11 күн бұрын

    Who’s here rewatching this after Woman’s World?

  • @sorceressheart4554

    @sorceressheart4554

    10 күн бұрын

    Me

  • @colmryan9289
    @colmryan92892 жыл бұрын

    This is now the second Trainwreckord that I actually lived through.

  • @cdvideodump

    @cdvideodump

    2 жыл бұрын

    You were born after 2003?

  • @trixxartarchive7705

    @trixxartarchive7705

    2 жыл бұрын

    I love this too but that might just be because I grew up with Katy Perry.

  • @DBEO23

    @DBEO23

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same here! I remember the SNL performance….cringe

  • @TheAlexSchmidt

    @TheAlexSchmidt

    2 жыл бұрын

    And wasn't Funstyle pretty recent too?

  • @Kedai610

    @Kedai610

    2 жыл бұрын

    Get hype for the Man of the Woods trainwreckord episode next year

  • @cityboy2092
    @cityboy20922 жыл бұрын

    He hit the nail right on the head when he said that Katy's a pop star who fades away as soon as the hits stop coming. Even at the peak of her fame, she never seemed to draw public interest into her personal life. The fan bases of people like Taylor, Bieber, Gaga, etc. are obsessed with their every move and want to know every last detail of their lives off the stage, but Katy just seemed to be someone who people liked to hear on the radio and not think about a second more.

  • @TheJayWay

    @TheJayWay

    2 жыл бұрын

    I feel like every mega successful act who debuted in the late 90's early 2000s will start to experience their commercial decline in this decade. It has already started for acts like Pink, Xtina, Britney and Alicia Keys This mirrors the 90's acts who all started declining in the 2010's people like Mariah, JLo,Shakira,Usher, Mary J Blige just to name a few. They are revered today by the strength of their fanbases but they aren't exactly selling the millions they did before. There seems to be a hidden rule, that every successful act has 10yrs to build a solid fanbase which will carry them for the rest of their career. Some artists are fortunate to have big enough fanbases that enable them to sell well enough to be a viable charting act even while in their commercial decline. KP I feel in her hit making career just didn't gather a big enough fan base to carry her through her 'purposeful pop' era and now I don't see a situation where she will ever be the chart juggernaut she once was. I do think Vegas is a good move for her she really made great light hearted pop songs.

  • @RevsFort

    @RevsFort

    2 жыл бұрын

    And it's not like there wasn't anything interesting going on. She was married to Russel fucking Brand for fuck's sake.

  • @HamazuraGOD

    @HamazuraGOD

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RevsFort Who?

  • @jgbcreations9368

    @jgbcreations9368

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HamazuraGOD Former commedian and actor from England. I heard he's covering political news now (for some reason.)

  • @batustone8742

    @batustone8742

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is it also possible to say that her fans simply grew up? While they may still be able to enjoy the songs they used to listen to, the newer releases no longer appeal to them as their tastes and preferences change as they mature.

  • @msfthe1st117
    @msfthe1st117 Жыл бұрын

    you know if “Hey Hey Hey” wasn’t the floundering flop of a song endcapping the flounderingist flop of an album, I’d actually applaud Katy Perry for the truly, genuinely poetic symbolism of herself as a Marie Antoinette fantasizing she’s Joan of Arc. like I’m certain there was no self-awareness involved but that’s just fucking brilliant.

  • @kaitykimball1461
    @kaitykimball146112 күн бұрын

    “She clearly couldn’t work with Dr. Luke now” This feels very different to hear today rather than 2 years ago when I first watched this video😂

  • @bubblegumbitch2191

    @bubblegumbitch2191

    8 күн бұрын

    She has appeared to have learnt all the wrong lessons from witness

  • @sullivangate
    @sullivangate2 жыл бұрын

    "Katy Perry is the spectacle not the spectator" is a surprisingly deep quote. You're either part of culture or you're making a commentary about it.

  • @kevinrooney3351

    @kevinrooney3351

    2 жыл бұрын

    There's only two types of people in the world. The ones who entertain, and the ones that observe. Well, baby...

  • @nodmyhead6198

    @nodmyhead6198

    2 жыл бұрын

    @t b Um... I'm not the greatest fan of that man but... isn't he still selling millions of albums well into the 20th year of his career?! I don't see him fading though granted, I personally have abruptly stopped listening to him after the Kamikaze album.

  • @molokwuchinonso9249

    @molokwuchinonso9249

    2 жыл бұрын

    @t b Eminem hasn't faded lmao. He just doesn't participate in pop culture

  • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426

    @picahudsoniaunflocked5426

    9 ай бұрын

    y not both

  • @ButterStick64

    @ButterStick64

    5 ай бұрын

    Caught this comment right when he said it. Never thought too much about it until now.

  • @Mercra
    @Mercra2 жыл бұрын

    It seems that, like Madonna, singing a song like "Chained to the Rhythm" where you call your own catalog of music 'shallow' seems to be nothing but a bullet to your own foot.

  • @shebjess

    @shebjess

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I was having some serious American Life flashback with this

  • @Keopro

    @Keopro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Makes sense. Todd referenced Katy in the American Life video for that exact reason.

  • @MTdaBlacking

    @MTdaBlacking

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe it also paints your audience in a negative light as well? Like writing a book that calls any of its fans idiots? At least that's my theory...

  • @Vstinis

    @Vstinis

    2 жыл бұрын

    Both women are also completely oblivious to the fact that any of their attempts at tackling more serious subject matter are just steeped in ridiculous amounts of self-centeredness.

  • @MYNAMACHEF

    @MYNAMACHEF

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nah....6151 American life was a goddamn joke At least I can see how Katy may have felt remorse after making nothing but vapid shit all her career and deciding to correct it by making chained to the rhythm

  • @JillLulamoon
    @JillLulamoon Жыл бұрын

    When I rewatch this, everytime Todd replays the clip of Katy "dancing" with Migos I die. Katy, sweetie, what are you doing, oh my God stop.

  • @justin5002

    @justin5002

    Жыл бұрын

    Marge in the background cinched it!😂

  • @northrnstar

    @northrnstar

    6 күн бұрын

    @@justin5002 unironically i liked the marge clip better. ran circles around katy purely on charm

  • @TheSaltyLibrarian
    @TheSaltyLibrarian11 күн бұрын

    Is it possible to have two trainwreckords? Asking for someone else EDIT: Nobody seems to be getting that I am referencing "Woman's World"

  • @YelenaSkunky

    @YelenaSkunky

    11 күн бұрын

    Would it apply to Madonna, too?

  • @chiru-lala7372

    @chiru-lala7372

    11 күн бұрын

    a second metallica trainwreckord (Lulu) has been teased before so yeah probably

  • @RokoNovakGlazba

    @RokoNovakGlazba

    10 күн бұрын

    @@chiru-lala7372 Though that could also be Lou Reed technically

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Grow up

  • @Ramonatho

    @Ramonatho

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@RokoNovakGlazba it is and I'm tired of people saying Lulu is a Metallica album when it's Lou Reed AND Metallica, in that order.

  • @1000huzzahs
    @1000huzzahs2 жыл бұрын

    "I don't expect anyone to be as fascinated with one rich white woman's self-loathing as I am." I dunno Todd, your "Cinemadonna" series did pretty well as far as I can tell.

  • @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

    @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

    2 жыл бұрын

    And there's definitely another on the way because Madonna is directing an autobiography...

  • @MissAlmostFine

    @MissAlmostFine

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @heathercalun4919

    @heathercalun4919

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a thriving market. Always has been. Almost as profitable as media that explores white mens' emotional turmoil. Frankly, it's probably racist that we care less about art where a WoC wallows in self-pity and torment. Come to think of it, there's probably a parallel you could draw between Katy Perry and Scarlett O'Hara, if you really, insistently wanted to.

  • @ROZWBRAZEL

    @ROZWBRAZEL

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@archlinuxuser yes, even if it was a narcissistic kind of self-loathing

  • @familyguyfreemoviedownload8314

    @familyguyfreemoviedownload8314

    2 жыл бұрын

    i feel like that’s more like one rich white woman’s identity confusion

  • @AnvilPro100
    @AnvilPro1002 жыл бұрын

    The two longest videos Todd ever made are, fittingly, about two of the most touchy subjects: Scientology and Katy Perry

  • @GamerTowerDX

    @GamerTowerDX

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes,the two genders.

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie
    @thatkidwiththehoodie Жыл бұрын

    Man, one of the saddest things about this part of Katy’s career is that, like… her turn towards left-wing politics didn’t seem in the slightest insincere. She really meant what she was saying, she just… had no idea how to say it. All of the heart, all of the ambition, none of the actual know-how. For better or worse, I tend to give a lot of leeway to people when their heart’s clearly in the right place, especially when it comes to celebrities, so I’m inclined to go easy on her, but man… she was so very out of her depth. It breaks my heart, man. She really tried. I’m not gonna say the album deserved better, a well-intentioned failure is still a failure, the album wasn’t good, but I think I feel safe in saying that Katy deserved better, and I hope life’s treating her better now. Also, When I’m Gone absolutely deserved better, the song slaps and I’d have been very interested to see Katy in her vindictive, popstar scorned arc. EDIT: oh, so she’s back with Dr Luke now. Fucking Oh Well, Then.

  • @kiyote437

    @kiyote437

    Жыл бұрын

    Punished Katy

  • @GigasGMX

    @GigasGMX

    Жыл бұрын

    >left-wing >Hillary Clinton Buddy, you've got a lot to learn.

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie

    @thatkidwiththehoodie

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GigasGMX cool it with the condescension. I’m well aware of Clinton and the wider Democrat party’s centrist nature. Perhaps I should’ve said “progressive” rather than “left-wing”, but Katy’s intentions, at the very least, seemed generally leftist-aligned, even if she was clearly holding back (for reasons, I imagine, unrelated to her actual sincerity. She still had a career to keep alive and an industry to answer to. Shit ain’t simple in Hollywood).

  • @Cooe.

    @Cooe.

    10 ай бұрын

    Get woke, go broke. 🤷 Maybe stuck up clueless rich, and grossly out of touch Hollywood bitches will eventually learn that simple fact, but prolly not. We don't want to hear politics bullshit from our top 20 fluff pop-stars or any other pop culture celebrity. Stay in your fucking lane and stay successful (REGARDLESS of which side your politics are on), or do the opposite and get burnt. End of story.

  • @Alexander-hi8bo

    @Alexander-hi8bo

    10 ай бұрын

    @@GigasGMX I think that further adds to the fact Katy Perry didn’t really know what she was doing

  • @jimmymeridian5174
    @jimmymeridian5174 Жыл бұрын

    To be honest, that Marie Antoinette thing was a pretty personal and clear insecurity to share with the world, she should've saved that for a serious song or something, instead of wasting it on a silly song. I think people would've admired her for sharing that.

  • @Pagefire
    @Pagefire2 жыл бұрын

    Katy: I'm progressive who believes that women should stop being seen as objects and we need to reduce harmful stereotypes in the industry. Also Katy: HAHA FAT WOMAN EAT BASKETBALL PLEASE LAUGH

  • @clementinedanger

    @clementinedanger

    2 жыл бұрын

    She means well but man is she bad at thinking

  • @TimmyTickle

    @TimmyTickle

    2 жыл бұрын

    Was that Katy’s idea, or the director’s? (Joel Meyers)

  • @ROZWBRAZEL

    @ROZWBRAZEL

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TimmyTickle everyone who didn’t see that as a terrible joke/idea is at fault

  • @Chibbykins

    @Chibbykins

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ignatiusjackson235 care to elaborate?

  • @mish375

    @mish375

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also Katy: wears revealling clothes to market herself on sex appeal and even has a song with fireworks coming out of her breasts. So I'm not surprised that no one takes her seriously when she says she wants to be serious and be against over sexualizing women. She made her career on it.

  • @sagecolvard9644
    @sagecolvard96442 жыл бұрын

    I just need to acknowledge that, if you mute the actual song, the video for Bon Appetite is one of the most effective pieces of body horror I've seen in my life. The imagery at 18:17 of human flesh being stretched and torn like dough is so nightmarish it's almost beautiful.

  • @GothicRomantiSystem

    @GothicRomantiSystem

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree with this so much. It reminds me of that one famous painting of Kronos.

  • @morganqorishchi8181

    @morganqorishchi8181

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would honestly be interested in a short horror film with this premise. As eroticism, though, it... doesn't quite hit the mark.

  • @Talisguy

    @Talisguy

    2 жыл бұрын

    I really think that might have been the point. I think she might have been deliberately trying to deconstruct the sexualisation of herself in her previous videos by literally depicting herself as an object for consumption, and taking things so far that it passed "sexy" and hit "body horror." ...The problem is that she's Katy Perry, so she ran face-first into Poe's Law. ...When you've built your career on your cheerfully tasteless image, how exactly do you make a video that's so tasteless and gross that it's immediately identifiable as a deconstruction of your old videos?

  • @optiquemusic6204

    @optiquemusic6204

    2 жыл бұрын

    When you realise that this very un-sexy jam about sex followed Katy's attempt at being "Purposeful," you just have to laugh. Also, Fuck the Hunger Games movies.

  • @berkeleyisonline160

    @berkeleyisonline160

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Talisguy at least the books are great

  • @scarletnightfall3317
    @scarletnightfall3317 Жыл бұрын

    I see a lot of comparisons between Witness and Gaga's Artpop, but what's really interesting to me is that while Artpop was also deemed a "flop," both fans and critics warmed up to it so much more as time went on. These days it's more hailed as a good album that was ahead of its time and severely misunderstood upon release. Meanwhile the consensus on Witness--that it's a bad album that flopped spectacularly--hasn't changed much in the years since its release. To me it really feels like Katy wanted to be like Gaga in the sense that she wanted to be viewed as multifaceted and creative while also having something important to say beneath it all. But she was unable to make it convincing due to the vapid popstar persona she had previously built for herself, and people were just not buying it. That "No cake under the frosting" line couldn't be more spot on. This is definitely my favorite Todd video to date. I'd die to get an Artpop retrospect from him especially with the album's 10 year anniversary happening this year.

  • @Cooe.

    @Cooe.

    10 ай бұрын

    Lol tell everyone you're a hardcore Gaga fanboy/girl without telling everyone... 🤦

  • @scarletnightfall3317

    @scarletnightfall3317

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Cooe. Lol leave your stan war bs at the door please

  • @jades.32

    @jades.32

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Cooe. Nothing “hardcore” about admitting Gaga had more artistry, creativity and depth in her pinky finger than Katy Perry 😂 And im saying this as someone who enjoys Katy’s songs! But Lady Gaga was and IS still leagues ahead of Katy!

  • @jacobmtcastle5741

    @jacobmtcastle5741

    6 ай бұрын

    I feel like Artpop retrospective wouldn’t qualify for Trainwreckords. True, it was a pretty big flop at the time for Lady Gaga, but as you mentioned it garners a lot of respect today. And, simply put, Lady Gaga has been far too successful post-Artpop for it to be considered a Trainwreckord.

  • @InkAndPoet
    @InkAndPoet2 жыл бұрын

    3-4 months later, we can assure you, Todd, that song did NOT take off.

  • @danka1167

    @danka1167

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s a shame, I liked it

  • @alannahfisherman1321

    @alannahfisherman1321

    Жыл бұрын

    Well we now have one wrong prediction from Todd during the 2020s. That was quick.

  • @jbwarner8626

    @jbwarner8626

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean, I still hear it on the radio at Walmart all the time. But I also hear them play "Chained to the Rhythm" and "Never Really Over" all the time too. I think Walmart is just under the mistaken assumption that Katy Perry is still really popular.

  • @sirpsychosussy

    @sirpsychosussy

    Жыл бұрын

    Only time I've ever heard it was in a McDonald's, and I only recognised it from this video. It kind of compounded the whole life-sucking feeling that eating in a McDonald's has for me on its own, and the fact that it was in Scotland, where Katy Perry-brand pop never seemed that big to begin with, is even stranger.

  • @scriobhme

    @scriobhme

    Жыл бұрын

    it was weirdly huge in croatia, and did quite well in the rest of europe

  • @sammyi2505
    @sammyi25052 жыл бұрын

    Katy's Witness feels like an artist internalizing some of their most unjustified criticism and it comes off as just the saddest thing to watch... I hope she does feel pride in her work, even at its most sugary, because she should be able to without feeling guilty about it.

  • @RatatRatR

    @RatatRatR

    4 ай бұрын

    It was justified criticism, though. Even when she was "good" she sucked terribly.

  • @Princess_Weekes
    @Princess_Weekes2 жыл бұрын

    I feel like Katy Perry's career is just so surreal because she really had some huge hits and then it just went to hell. Teenage Dream is still amazing.

  • @JohnAntonucciNooch

    @JohnAntonucciNooch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Luke is the reason.

  • @jordanthejq12

    @jordanthejq12

    2 жыл бұрын

    Melina on a Todd video? Let's goooo!

  • @melm4251

    @melm4251

    2 жыл бұрын

    your vid on Bisexuality + Katy Perry's late 2010s music schmacked me down like a tonne of bricks - and with no affect of shade or nonsense, thank you, quite informative for me in my early 30s lmao ^_^

  • @m.c.46

    @m.c.46

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnAntonucciNooch Bonnie Mckee was the reason.

  • @ian_b

    @ian_b

    2 жыл бұрын

    Her huge hits went South, basically.

  • @idab9958
    @idab9958 Жыл бұрын

    I think Todd is 100 % right about there being two kinds of pop star. Case in point: five years after they both had their flop eras around the same time, Taylor Swift is still huge while Katy Perry disappeared like Thanos had snapped his fingers.

  • @jlo2715

    @jlo2715

    Жыл бұрын

    Was reputation even a flop era? LWYMMD may not have had longevity of the 1989 singles, but it went #1, reputation sold 1 million in its first week, was the biggest album of 2018, and spawned the reputation Tour which went on to be the highest grossing tour of North America. I know people like to compare rep's era to 1989's negatively, but on reflection, reputation really was anything but a flop

  • @idab9958

    @idab9958

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jlo2715 Yes, you are absolutely right, but I think both things can be true at the same time. Reputation was not as universally beloved as 1989 and most non-Swifties seem to remember it as a petty album about celebrity feuds, when it's really anything but. Personally I adore reputation, but I really don't care for its singles, which I feel misrepresented what the album as a whole was about. Sadly, the singles are what most people remember, more than sales numbers, which goes a long way to explain reputation's.... well, reputation as Taylor's "flop era". I think of reputation as the inverse of the "delayed flop" that Todd talks about; it seemed to fizzle out pretty quickly at first but ended up being a success. I think it says a lot about Taylor's power that even the closest she's ever come to having a flop era was that successful.

  • @jlo2715

    @jlo2715

    Жыл бұрын

    @@idab9958 Hold up, cuz I think you're onto something. On reflection, the singles for reputation really did come and go honestly quicker than usual. End Game was what? The third single in November 2017 and it petered out maybe like early 2018 just a couple months after the album released. It wasn't until Delicate made its slow burn rise that there was a sense of a longevity single from the album, but you're right. Other than Delicate, the other actual big singles were arguably the worst off reputation, and of course, the gp will get their impression from the album from the big singles, and not the deep cuts.

  • @idab9958

    @idab9958

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jlo2715 exactly!

  • @vinapimentel952

    @vinapimentel952

    Жыл бұрын

    .

  • @VGirl
    @VGirl2 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if this part of Katy’s insecurity came from Dr. Luke. Kesha repeatedly said like Dr. Luke made her feel that she was nothing but a “dumb” and “fun” bimbo and shot down any attempt to show the world that she had more depth. I get the impression he makes Doja Cat feel the same way (see her speech she made when announcing she would quit music). Funny how Dr Luke repeatedly makes female artists feel like shit but he keeps getting nominated for Grammys.

  • @LA-be8fu

    @LA-be8fu

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wait Doja quit?

  • @SahloFolina2161

    @SahloFolina2161

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LA-be8fu I think she said she was but didn’t?

  • @_4ui12

    @_4ui12

    Жыл бұрын

    this totally makes sense seeing how ke$ha and seemingly doja cat are

  • @Fucorii

    @Fucorii

    10 ай бұрын

    This makes so much sense after the Doja Cat demon situation...

  • @ida_sleeps

    @ida_sleeps

    7 ай бұрын

    A lot of people in the midst of being hurt by abusive people won't recognize that they are being victimized@Alejandro-gk9jw

  • @wespapes2054
    @wespapes20542 жыл бұрын

    Always a good day when a new Trainwreckords drops.

  • @warlordofbritannia

    @warlordofbritannia

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s rather ironic, ain’t it?

  • @baumhauser

    @baumhauser

    2 жыл бұрын

    Heck yes

  • @iterfacile5481

    @iterfacile5481

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ikrrrrr I’m so hyped

  • @EX-Flashkick

    @EX-Flashkick

    2 жыл бұрын

    Literally

  • @wasneeplus

    @wasneeplus

    2 жыл бұрын

    To me it's more a good middle of the night.

  • @dyldragon1
    @dyldragon12 жыл бұрын

    "Rich white female pop singer wants to get involved in politics and she clearly isn't equipped to do that so she just mostly makes it about her own personal drama" is now the premise of two different trainwreckords episodes.

  • @jules6631

    @jules6631

    2 жыл бұрын

    which is the other?

  • @dyldragon1

    @dyldragon1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jules6631 Madonna - American Life

  • @jules6631

    @jules6631

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dyldragon1 ah thank you

  • @victoriawang1356

    @victoriawang1356

    2 жыл бұрын

    If i got a nickel for every time-

  • @ROZWBRAZEL

    @ROZWBRAZEL

    2 жыл бұрын

    …Does Jewel make it three?

  • @ahhhhhhhhhhhhh42069
    @ahhhhhhhhhhhhh42069 Жыл бұрын

    What makes this even darker is when you go back to Katy's deposition at Kesha's trail, she completely sits on the fence. She talks about how "both sides" made her feel like she had to speak out. Except one side was an alleged rapist with an infinite amount of power in the music industry even today. All her sense of morality is a facade even in her desperate attempts to spotlight it.

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah I feel like it comes from a place of ego and wanting gravitas. I’ve heard she’s done some pretty messed up stuff w her real estate acquisitions too (suing old people for their property..)

  • @AshtonGarland

    @AshtonGarland

    7 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@__rm307not only was it old people, it was nuns, and it was for their convent. It was absolutely nuts, especially knowing she came from an extremely religious home.

  • @goingunder2548

    @goingunder2548

    5 ай бұрын

    If Katy was a teacher she would be the teacher who sees a bullied kid defend themselves and expel both that kid and the bully because 'fighting violence with violence makes more violence'

  • @erickdiazrodriguez1799
    @erickdiazrodriguez179911 ай бұрын

    “Oh God the Barbz” LMFAOOOO. I screamed.

  • @elizabethashley42
    @elizabethashley422 жыл бұрын

    The bit about Katy seemingly styling herself as an Effie Trinket is very insightful and quite telling. I love Effie as a character and honestly the persona fits what we know of Katy and how she seemed to see herself at the time, but it's also not an image that's going to carry a once-top-charting pop star anywhere but downward. Absolutely obsessed with the parallels.

  • @owenbloomfield1177

    @owenbloomfield1177

    2 жыл бұрын

    The thing about Effie is that the audience new the "joke" was on her all the time and she could never see it. Is it true we always could see how shallow KP was and she never see it herself?

  • @minhhuyle43

    @minhhuyle43

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@owenbloomfield1177 But she decided to change her image with Witness so it probably means that she's aware of it. If you look back at her discography you can always tell that there is something she is not content with. From her downsizing sexuality by occasionally inserting comedy to being an edgelord. Furthermore I do think "Chained to the rhythm" was not hypocritical but rather a very self loathing dissect of her own career. If anything, she's Effie, but the moment she gains awareness, readers find her less compelling.

  • @JoshuaFagan
    @JoshuaFagan2 жыл бұрын

    This might be one of Todd's nicest Trainwreckords. The album's bad, but you can tell he really pities her. It's fitting considering Todd's complicated relationship with Katy over the last ten years. Todd discussed Katy so often, especially when she was a major pop star, even when her music was terrible. This feels like a fitting finale for all Todd's "Katy Perry files."

  • @sharonoddlyenough

    @sharonoddlyenough

    2 жыл бұрын

    The end was so kind.

  • @filipmarinkovic6281

    @filipmarinkovic6281

    2 жыл бұрын

    The album is great.

  • @TMThesaurus

    @TMThesaurus

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was really kind to the Carpenters.

  • @filipmarinkovic6281

    @filipmarinkovic6281

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@takemyhand1988 u didn't even gave it a real listen, did u?

  • @filipmarinkovic6281

    @filipmarinkovic6281

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@takemyhand1988 and opinions are different;)

  • @LibraSnakeLibraSnake1018
    @LibraSnakeLibraSnake10182 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of Migos, Culture II would be a good album to cover at some point. Like you said, Migos were white hot after the success of Culture, they tried to capitalize by rushing an awful follow-up that permanently harmed their artistic reputation. They have never been as big since then, either on their solo records or Culture III, and I think that’s because the bloated and underdeveloped mess that was Culture II made them seem like shallow artists who were just good for a couple of hits instead of the reputation they had before of being innovators of the sound that defined rap in the mid-2010s.

  • @cowboysonaces

    @cowboysonaces

    Жыл бұрын

    Boosting

  • @goldenovaries

    @goldenovaries

    8 ай бұрын

    Agreed

  • @nikkilee3840

    @nikkilee3840

    8 ай бұрын

    Culture II was a big success though. All the singles hit their mark, which is what Migos fans care more about. It's just a bloated album to actually sit through, which most Migos fans don't care about. It seems more to me that Migos career rose and fell with the wave of trap music that was omnipresent in 2017-2018, but has gradually diminished since the start of the 2020s.

  • @l.1586
    @l.15866 ай бұрын

    "Wow, shots fired....directly into her own foot." - arguably one of your funniest moments, Todd lmao. I could watch an entire video of you dissecting the lyrics of Swish Swish lol.

  • @chefbanjo8139
    @chefbanjo81392 жыл бұрын

    I’ve previously called some artists “Firecracker artists” vs “campfire artists.” Some artists have amazing, impossible to ignore upward momentum culminating in an amazing burst of color and noise that brings joy to most everyone that sees it. And then they’re gone, to be replaced by a different firecracker. Some artists have a much smaller audience, but that audience will keep them alive quite a while longer, and appreciate them on a deeper level. Nothing wrong with either one, and it’s not a perfect dichotomy, but it seems to fit pretty well. Basically, would you rather have Katy Perry’s career, or James Taylor’s.

  • @TheMightyPika

    @TheMightyPika

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic metaphor. Stealing it.

  • @campfortson4387

    @campfortson4387

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sort of the old saying that a candle that burns twice as bright lasts only half as long.

  • @TheBfutgreg

    @TheBfutgreg

    2 жыл бұрын

    You could have just said "Firework artist", you were so close

  • @hannahmoran3660

    @hannahmoran3660

    2 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE that metaphor- it's honest without being derogatory. People like firecrackers and they like campfires. There's a place for both of them. Hats off to you sir!

  • @chefbanjo8139

    @chefbanjo8139

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheBfutgreg I had my saying first before it applied to Katy Perry.

  • @doyouseeit5268
    @doyouseeit52682 жыл бұрын

    You missed the part where Taylor dropped her catalogue back on Spotify the day witness was supposed to release, 1989 even managed to outstream witness that week

  • @rafikgermany26

    @rafikgermany26

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is a total lie it was her discography combined

  • @doyouseeit5268

    @doyouseeit5268

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rafikgermany26 I'm pretty sure it did, witness was number 1 with 180k album units and only had 18k streaming units which is very less for a number 1 Album

  • @davidclark3588
    @davidclark3588 Жыл бұрын

    I actually respect what she was trying to do here. Like I don't think there's anything wrong with a pop star taking a step back, looking at their place in the world and challenging themselves to do something more important than manufacturing vapid pop in an era where we all need to be paying attention and fighting the power. But yeah she should've ironed out a more consistent message before dropping this record for sure.

  • @saeedbaig4249

    @saeedbaig4249

    Жыл бұрын

    THis ^ "Better to commit mistakes of ambition than mistakes of sloth" - I admired Katy's decision to stray from her safe brand of marketable pop and make something more meaningful; It didn't quite work, but life's about taking risks - I have more respect for someone who aims for the moon and misses than just never aim that high at all.

  • @coolgirlrules702
    @coolgirlrules7027 күн бұрын

    That ending once sounded so optimistic. Now it's kinda ominous considering where Katy's career has gone since.

  • @ScottFreeSBP
    @ScottFreeSBP2 жыл бұрын

    If you think Elvis's legend would be what it is without his fall from grace and bleeding his heart out in vegas every night after his peak, then you're delusional. You're spot on about how her fall from grace has produced a fondness for her.

  • @Skabanis

    @Skabanis

    2 жыл бұрын

    Comparing anyone in the last 22 to Elvis is laughable.

  • @ScottFreeSBP

    @ScottFreeSBP

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Skabanis only comparing them in terms of how their career might wind down and how that last chapter may affect her legacy

  • @Aster_Risk

    @Aster_Risk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Skabanis No it isn't. Elvis was great, but he built his career on those before him. There are people who make solid music now, but won't reach the status of a pop culture icon because that's an incredibly uncommon thing to do.

  • @jg1404

    @jg1404

    2 жыл бұрын

    As long as Katy’s death isn’t near as embarrassing as Elvis’s, then I think her legacy will be just fine

  • @countof3everybodyOD

    @countof3everybodyOD

    2 жыл бұрын

    Listen Mr Miracle, it may have added to his mystique and ubiquitousness, but he’d still be a household name for generations. It’s difficult to fathom today just how big he was

  • @heymistercarter.
    @heymistercarter.2 жыл бұрын

    You know, it feels in some weird way that this was the video that Todd’s entire KZread career has been building towards. He’s done reviews of Katy’s songs, put her songs on his year end lists (even apologizing for that sometimes), talked about her decline in comparison to other artists. And now he’s talking about the album that pretty much ended her mainstream relevance. Oh the irony of that.

  • @Keopro

    @Keopro

    2 жыл бұрын

    By this logic, the Green Day trilogy trainwreckords has to be the overstaying overkill moment. Another artist he’s mentioned regularly who flopped by trying too hard but has almost always just been referenced, never discussed (on his own videos at least).

  • @musyarofah1

    @musyarofah1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Keopro if Green Day has a trainwreckord, it will certainly be Father of All... . The Uno-Dos-Tre trilogy was bad but it didn't stop Green Day stans for buying it. Father of All... was so bad, it killed the entire fandom of Green Day.

  • @heymistercarter.

    @heymistercarter.

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@musyarofah1 From what I've heard, Father Of All... was something of a troll record, some attempt to get out of their contract rather than something truly serious. So I guess it's more like two albums Todd's referenced before: Bob Dylan's Self Portrait and Eminem's ENCORE.

  • @Keopro

    @Keopro

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@musyarofah1 That's a tough decision because the trilogy was the beginning signs of cracks and a PR mess between the mixed reception, Billie's chaos and subsequent rehab. They were still a big band & sold concerts but they lost a lot of their power as a name after that. Revolution Radio was a return to form but still not a big win overall then Father Of All... was them throwing whatever they wanted at the wall. Both the trilogy & Father Of All could be seen as disasters to differing degrees but it's like comparing Encore to Revival with Eminem. Both a major blow to what they were prior.

  • @anothercoginthemurdermachi7209
    @anothercoginthemurdermachi720914 күн бұрын

    I can't wait for Todd's follow up video "Failed Comebacks" with whatever crap Katy is trying to release this year.

  • @YelenaSkunky

    @YelenaSkunky

    11 күн бұрын

    It should be a series on its own. There's enough material.

  • @Blewishthegreat

    @Blewishthegreat

    10 күн бұрын

    Isnt this show mostly “failed combacks” already? Thats like most of the episodes

  • @Rose_Withers
    @Rose_WithersАй бұрын

    Watching this again after Katy Perry signed with Dr. Luke again, you were right she didn’t have any hits to the degree she did before and he was a major player in that

  • @elijahtorres2688

    @elijahtorres2688

    Ай бұрын

    Her comeback this year would’ve been fine without him (giving many people were starting to appreciate her again on social media with Teenage Dream trending). Now, she’s getting MAJOR backlash for hiring him back.

  • @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    @SawdustMusic-rd8mj

    Ай бұрын

    @@elijahtorres2688honestly I don’t blame her for bringing him back. The trial ended earlier this year and Luke wasn’t guilty, that said he still clearly treated Kesha very badly but that doesn’t affect Katy personally. Also, most of Teenage Dream was produced by Luke so money is also very likely involved.

  • @Rose_Withers

    @Rose_Withers

    Ай бұрын

    @@SawdustMusic-rd8mj guilty or not, he has lost the court of public opinion and his name is like poison when other celebrities associate with him, at the very least online

  • @sirgemini5743

    @sirgemini5743

    10 күн бұрын

    well, the new song she released with him was terrible. i doubt it'll have longevity like the hits from her peak. it's probably gonna be like justin timberlake's filthy, ridiculed then drop off the charts with the blink of an eye.

  • @blue_storybook3230

    @blue_storybook3230

    9 күн бұрын

    ​@@sirgemini5743Which it did, its only a few days since Woman's World and it already dropped of the charts, not even in the Top 200 ☠️

  • @DashingSteel
    @DashingSteel2 жыл бұрын

    This feels like a story ark from "Bojack Horseman" to be honest. Almost as if at some point an overweight talking horse is gonna jump on stage and start a monologue about how Katy isn't fooling anyone and about how she's a hypocrite And then a hippo in the audience would be like "Hey, don't drag US into this!"

  • @RyanStorey1231

    @RyanStorey1231

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tbh, Katy Perry does kinda give off Mr. Peanut Butter vibes

  • @garfield15

    @garfield15

    2 жыл бұрын

    Talking to Taylor: "What are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu doing here?"

  • @MelShibson

    @MelShibson

    2 жыл бұрын

    Marie Antionette and Joan of Arc in the same room, what is this a crossover episode?

  • @daffyphack

    @daffyphack

    2 жыл бұрын

    See, I think of a different Will Arnett performance: Gob Bluth standing in front of the Magicians Alliance with a sign "We Demand to be Taken Seriously"

  • @bartholen

    @bartholen

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'll be damned if you didn't paint a picture with those words. I can see it in my head clear as day.

  • @quantumharmonizer3514
    @quantumharmonizer35142 жыл бұрын

    Another overlooked component of that dire 2017 SNL performance was the other song (Swish Swish) that she performed without Migos. They invited on the teenage kid who invented flossing (I think) and that was the only clip saw from the show for weeks after. Katy Perry, the as you put it “Mega Turbo Pop” Star with her glitzy outfits and production and hype… overshadowed by The Floss.

  • @chihiroglass5379

    @chihiroglass5379

    2 жыл бұрын

    Was that the one with the backpack kid dancing?

  • @optiquemusic6204

    @optiquemusic6204

    2 жыл бұрын

    When you have a song/video that unintentionally spits on both Fatboy Slim ('Star 69') And the Bag Raiders ('Shooting Stars'), you probably need to just stop.

  • @haleymist09

    @haleymist09

    2 жыл бұрын

    Backpack Kid went hard, tho. That was his moment

  • @FLUFFERKINZ

    @FLUFFERKINZ

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep, at that point I think we as Americans were living in such a state of complete disbelief at reality that backpack kid flossing on TV at SNL was just part the fever dream we were living in.

  • @ButterStick64
    @ButterStick64 Жыл бұрын

    3:57 When Todd said “👤”, I felt that.

  • @crystalcastillo7575
    @crystalcastillo75753 ай бұрын

    “Oh the barbs “ yeah I’ve had run ins with them too . Ruthless ruthless fanbase

  • @garystack9537
    @garystack95372 жыл бұрын

    In the press cycle for The Black Eyed Peas’ 2009 album The E.N.D., Will. I. Am. said very consciously that pop artists like the Peas were making such energetic and cheery music as escapism from the ongoing recession. Katy Perry quickly became the spearhead of this trend, and it’s undeniable now that she did that absolute best job out of anyone at it. But after the 2016 election, people realized that that wasn’t actually helping anyone, and Katy wasn’t built for the shift that occurred.

  • @ironicdivinemandatestan4262

    @ironicdivinemandatestan4262

    2 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of, the Peas are absolutely overdue for a Trainwreckords episode on "The Beginning".

  • @thatlemonadeguy6742

    @thatlemonadeguy6742

    2 жыл бұрын

    If she had done something like "sorry for being part of the very thing that seems to be damaging the people's perspective on important issues" instead of "you are dumb for liking my music" she wouldn't have failed as hard.

  • @publiusnaso9473
    @publiusnaso94732 жыл бұрын

    31:45 "She's a Marie Antoinette who fantasized about being Joan of Arc" really is sad. That and her singing Fireworks with that girl really does make me sympathize with her

  • @muticere
    @muticere4 күн бұрын

    The fact that Katy went back to working with Dr. Luke feels like such a betrayal of everything she was trying to do with this album. I don’t see how she recovers at all from this. Witness wasn’t so bad that there didn’t feel like there was a chance of a comeback. Now we might as well be calling time of death.

  • @ooombasa5080

    @ooombasa5080

    4 күн бұрын

    Ehhhh. Honestly, if her new single was a banger, the Dr Rapist detail would be overlooked by most. That's the way it is, unfortunately. Her single being a flop makes it easier to focus on the detail of her joining up again with Dr Nonconsensual.

  • @littleblueclovers
    @littleblueclovers Жыл бұрын

    I liked “chained to the rhythm” a fair bit because I do like songs that have happy tunes but dark lyrics. It sounded like a song of “rebelling against the system” but also of resigned participation as a cog in the machine. I wanted to see her explore themes about the disconnect between who she wants to be, and who the masses want her to be. Maybe her conflict knowing that if she stops making bops, she’ll simply be replaced. Yeah, it’s going to be hard to dance to a song about a person singing and dancing against their will, but it’s also something we can all relate to. At the core of it, it’s the same emotion as fake smiles, pushing through a rough 9-5 job, or being the person your family/culture want to be, etc. But after hearing her songs like “Swish swish, bitch” I knew I raised my hopes too high…

  • @ashleyechevarria1949

    @ashleyechevarria1949

    9 ай бұрын

    Katy Perry had more "purposeful songs" in the past than in this album. I really liked Chained To The Rhythm, and I thought that was the way she was going. It could have been a great album. It was still going to be a flop, but a good one. But then the singles she chose... those are the songs that should have been out of the album. Again, it was going to be a flop era but I hoped for a flop like Artpop.

  • @JaakuSan
    @JaakuSan2 жыл бұрын

    I genuinely like Chained to the Rhythm. I like dark subject matter set to upbeat or at least energetic music. I have also heard nothing else off this album lmao

  • @ZbJeeBies

    @ZbJeeBies

    2 жыл бұрын

    i'm in the same boat as you pretty much; all i had heard was swish swish and chained to the rhythm off the album and it wasn't until this video that i decided to check out one or two more songs (which i actually think are pretty good -- especially pendulum)

  • @iwakeupandboomimarat

    @iwakeupandboomimarat

    2 жыл бұрын

    i think if the entire album was like chained to the rhythm it wouldnt have been a complete flop lmao

  • @valterssluka1945

    @valterssluka1945

    2 жыл бұрын

    listen to the full album but not bon appetit and swish swish. those two songs ruin the album for me

  • @unmessable12

    @unmessable12

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ultimately my only problem with Chained To The Rhythm is that it really does feel like Katy Perry is calling her fans dumb.

  • @iwakeupandboomimarat

    @iwakeupandboomimarat

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@unmessable12 true, i think you can like it if ur not a fan of her but if ur like. a diehard katy perry stan i guess and her first new single is about how youre actually braindead sheeple for listening to her probably isnt great lmao

  • @abelsm11
    @abelsm112 жыл бұрын

    The first real "flop era" of the modern pop landscape was Christina Aguilera's 'Bionic'. It is truly the blueprint of every flop era that followed and is legendary in the stan world.

  • @freakfoxvevo7915

    @freakfoxvevo7915

    2 жыл бұрын

    Think that'd be a good Trainwreckords candidate?

  • @saltyparabolas9561

    @saltyparabolas9561

    2 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU. I was neither a fan, nor an anti-fan of Christina when that was released, but I even remember alllll the people (aka - online gays) just DUNKIN' on that album.

  • @Lucas-jx8jg

    @Lucas-jx8jg

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe, but I think Witness' failure was the first one to break out of the stan world and reach even the general public's conscience. There isn't a Bionic version of Katy's SNL performance or the 24 hours "is math related to science" livestream. Like Todd said in the video, Witness might not have been the first flop... but it was the loudest.

  • @jgbcreations9368

    @jgbcreations9368

    2 жыл бұрын

    OOOF! The Bionic Album hurts me because I LOVED Christina Aguilera's prior work. Back To Basics in particular!

  • @crowraven7290

    @crowraven7290

    2 жыл бұрын

    Every album from Christina are so different.She had been successful for 3 albums with completely different styles but It also made her fan base not stable.Bionic was a great album but her last album Back to Basic was very retro very 50s 60s and suddenly to bionic.That’s a really big change.It flopped so hard that even Lotus outsold it.

  • @DanielKhuat
    @DanielKhuat10 күн бұрын

    I like to compare Katy Perry to another pop star who’s better known outside the US, Kylie Minogue. Kylie was a popular 80’s dance pop diva who went the indie pop direction that was popular in the mid 90’s and flopped. She then went back to her dance pop roots in 2000 and became an international superstar with hits like “Can’t Get You Out of My Head,” and stuck with making dance pop ever since. Kylie explored outside but then went back to her dance pop roots and has even built on top of that with infusing disco in the 2020’s. She’s a great example of an artist who knows what she’s good at and is aware of what people expect from her, but still showcases evolution. This is someone that Katy Perry should strive to be.

  • @YelenaSkunky

    @YelenaSkunky

    10 күн бұрын

    I don't remember Kylie talking about making "purposeful" pop or an anthem of some kind. Maybe it helps, too.

  • @xXLunatikxXlul

    @xXLunatikxXlul

    7 күн бұрын

    Agreed. Katy is a flop tbh

  • @undermoonstars
    @undermoonstars9 күн бұрын

    Eating popcorn rewatching the katy perry trainwreckord in preparation for the sequel it's gonna be good 😁

  • @shewow8612
    @shewow86122 жыл бұрын

    I always felt like Katy Perry was under pressure at each point in her career to be presented as bright and sexualized as possible. But that she never felt totally comfortable with the image and her attempt to inject humor were her way of forcing some element of who she really was into her music, especially the videos. It made her more endearing to me and always a little sad. Which might be why the songs I enjoy from her most are the ones that have ridiculous videos attached (Birthday, Last Friday Night, Waking Up In Vegas). All that seems to be confirmed with her interviews during this period. But I also wonder if a decade from now she will chill a bit and feel better about the early days and her place in pop music.

  • @kissarococo2459

    @kissarococo2459

    2 жыл бұрын

    One reason she was so popular, everyone wanted to see the next video from her and how whimsical she made it as it was something fresh then with Gaga and Taylor competing with same idea.

  • @shewow8612

    @shewow8612

    2 жыл бұрын

    @t b Backpeddling, I'm guessing. But also, there is a difference between being sexual, like she was kn Bon Appetite, and sexualized, like she was in I Kissed A Girl. If she is being pushed into it by those around her, and she is young and struggling to make it in the industry, that is going to feel more exploitive than choosing to sing a sexual song yourself and having creative control over it and the video. Which, it seems like was the case with this album.

  • @kittykittybangbang9367

    @kittykittybangbang9367

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kissarococo2459 That and during the early 2010s pretty much almost anything that was "LOL SO RANDOM" was an instant hit or success. EG The Harlem Shake.

  • @CaladonianQueen
    @CaladonianQueen2 жыл бұрын

    Todd and Katy are like the Joker and Batman: each other's antithesis and yet intrinsically linked in a sort of symbiotic cosmic counterbalance.

  • @speelbergoMF

    @speelbergoMF

    Жыл бұрын

    Does Pluto counterbalance the sun?

  • @Dana-hc3lg

    @Dana-hc3lg

    Жыл бұрын

    This is the best comment on this video

  • @TacticusPrime

    @TacticusPrime

    Жыл бұрын

    @@speelbergoMF In a way, yes. All gravitational bodies orbit around the mutual barycenter.

  • @axeldiaz7960

    @axeldiaz7960

    Жыл бұрын

    Adding Katy Perry and Todd to my list of pairs that have been compared to the Joker and Batman in KZread comments

  • @returnedtomonkey8886

    @returnedtomonkey8886

    Жыл бұрын

    Personally I feel Madonna is the Joker to Todd's Batman.

  • @nnaproductions
    @nnaproductions12 күн бұрын

    Well now that "Women's World" has dropped, Todd is about to have a field day...

  • @Lyendith
    @Lyendith2 жыл бұрын

    "Katy Perry gets woke and goes broke"… Okay, this is the only instance of that phrase that I can tolerate. XD

  • @Jordan-zk2wd
    @Jordan-zk2wd2 жыл бұрын

    The worst part about that shellfish line is that she took an already mediocre strained metaphor, where because she is a tiger she doesn't need opinions from sheep (her haters), actively made it worse and more confusing by adding "shellfish" into the mix, *and* to top it all off there is no way she puts a shellfish/selfish pun that forced into there without also totally thinking that she is just a fucking genius for adding that 'extra layer' to it. Similar to the genius/"peni(u)s colada" line from Liz Phair.* I dunno maybe I'm biased. I do have a shellfish allergy *for some reason I said Jewel at first.

  • @solesurvivor327

    @solesurvivor327

    2 жыл бұрын

    The penius colada line came from Liz Phair

  • @renderwren4284

    @renderwren4284

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@solesurvivor327 How could you say that with such casualty?

  • @Jordan-zk2wd

    @Jordan-zk2wd

    2 жыл бұрын

    My bad, as many have pointed out I said Jewel did the dick joke but it was Liz Phair.

  • @DoveAlexa

    @DoveAlexa

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's never a bad time to mistakenly remember Jewel when talking about crap lyrics.

  • @louiseemborong5852

    @louiseemborong5852

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is the Tiger reference from Roar

  • @peachjugo
    @peachjugo2 жыл бұрын

    i can’t believe it’s been 8 years since katy dropped dr. luke and he’s still getting work at this point 🙃

  • @noahbullock6696

    @noahbullock6696

    2 жыл бұрын

    I hate how good he is at his job…

  • @arandompasserby7940

    @arandompasserby7940

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean, from the looks of it, being a sex pest is the sure shot way to get work in Hollywood.

  • @astroknott5263

    @astroknott5263

    Жыл бұрын

    And yet it’s basically been written off as bullshit that anything even happened..that’s probably why

  • Жыл бұрын

    Well, he DID win his defamation lawsuit against Kesha. So technically, everything he did is still alleged. ... Still, tho...

  • @SteeZy644

    @SteeZy644

    Жыл бұрын

    I’d imagine Doja’s popularity has a hand in that. It seems like she’s also going thru a weird thing right now, so time will tell.

  • @TheImperiusv
    @TheImperiusv28 күн бұрын

    16:07 is my favorite part. You can tell Anna Kendrick is thinking, "Oh God what am I doing here?"

  • @catloaff
    @catloaffАй бұрын

    And now Katy is working with Dr Luke again... yikes

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

  • @jonova3187

    @jonova3187

    7 күн бұрын

    I'm heavily dissapointed as well, I just hope it was more the record label's choice than Katy's (and that the record is actually good)

  • @nickudeschini4812
    @nickudeschini48122 жыл бұрын

    I'm liking that Todd isn't afraid to make these videos longer to get all the information

  • @amberhernandez
    @amberhernandez2 жыл бұрын

    This is EXACTLY the story I was hoping to see covered in this series! It's one of the few that I ever actually got invested in; the idea of wanting to be more than just a vapid California Girl in the industry and attempt to say something of value (regardless of the outcome) is really something that is inspiring, but ultimately kneecaps your career. Thank you, Todd!!!

  • @stephaniewozny3852

    @stephaniewozny3852

    2 жыл бұрын

    Seeing this story play out more than once, I think the best course of action for these types is make the art that you like/that sells, and just fund/donate to causes and organizations you personally believe in.

  • @polinasolodovnikova8547

    @polinasolodovnikova8547

    2 жыл бұрын

    As soon as she cut her hair and stopped trying to be America's sweetheart and actively tried to talk about real problems, she was mistreated by the media. She should've waited two more years, in 2019 many singers became politically woke, it was a trend.

  • @srslydoatm9251

    @srslydoatm9251

    2 жыл бұрын

    I bit off topic, but did Todd do a Trainwreckords on Taylor Swift?

  • @stephaniewozny3852

    @stephaniewozny3852

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@srslydoatm9251 , no. So far, I don't think TayTay has had a real career ending or even relevance ending album.

  • @ileutur6863

    @ileutur6863

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@truthwooph4083 congrats, you managed to type that all out and somehow still say nothing. I hate woke trends as much as anybody else, but your little rant here is conspiracy tier

  • @theboulderboulded5776
    @theboulderboulded577625 күн бұрын

    Back now after Katy Perry announced her next project and the fact that she is working with Dr Luke again. Any respect that I had left for Katy and this part of her career is just gone now man. What an incredibly disappointing turn for an artist

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

  • @fattiesunite2288

    @fattiesunite2288

    8 күн бұрын

    Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

  • @romanr.301
    @romanr.301 Жыл бұрын

    You know I was only in high school at the time, but distinctly remember a time around 2013-2014 when Katy Perry fans and Lady Gaga fans were in a feud of whose fave was better. And because Lady Gaga was not at her peak at the time due to her hip injury that ended the Born This Way ball, and the mixed reception of Artpop (#JusticeforARTPOP), many thought Katy Perry had simply won since Prism was very successful. Funny how in the long run, Gaga has kept afloat because of her strong, loyal fan base (and of course her exemplary singing talents) while Katy Perry was the one who entered a slow period of decline, and had a much more tenuous fan base.

  • @johnevans8533
    @johnevans85332 жыл бұрын

    Taylor Swift played a part in the failure of Witness. She put her entire back catalogue on Spotify on the same day that Witness was released. It was a nasty feud.

  • @kirstynquinn6602

    @kirstynquinn6602

    2 жыл бұрын

    The crazy thing is if Katy was as big as she was in her prime it wouldn’t have mattered- prism was released the same day as Artpop and outsold it

  • @GNVS300

    @GNVS300

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kirstynquinn6602 Artpop is considered a flop album to be fair

  • @dt6021

    @dt6021

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GNVS300 only by Lady Gaga metrics

  • @darkartsninja

    @darkartsninja

    2 жыл бұрын

    Similar to Todd, I have a theory of my own that Artpop ruined Katy Perry's career Because so many people were honed in on Artpop's "flaws", Prism's issues went unnoticed and many celebrated Katy winning the Katy vs Gaga feud (which ultimately also cost her as people soon realized they called things too early) Thus, Prism's problems which were overshadowed by Artpop were allowed to fester and destroy any chance of Witness succeeding

  • @awzthemusicalreviews

    @awzthemusicalreviews

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@darkartsninja shit, whe you put it like that, it makes sense. You let something slip through the cracks, soon the crack is gonna expand until it's a major problem

  • @Diana-mu7pc
    @Diana-mu7pc2 жыл бұрын

    HARDCORE agree that Prism was the secret flop that preceded Witness. It was just as fake deep and boring, but we were in an "apolitical" moment of pop music. The Trump era motivated her to address the "divide" and the increasing dystopia of it all but she was just not made for that at all. Poor thing.

  • @nomobobby

    @nomobobby

    2 жыл бұрын

    In retrospect, her and Hammer's downfalls had a surprising number of simularities if you think about it. Sure, Hammer tried for OG and she tried for elightened girl boss, but both had no experience doing something serious. Unable to pick a new direction and sell it well, the ablum looks comically bad fit/insecure and miserable. As the music failed, the marketing failied, backpedalling way too late and flopped into oblivion. And the worse thing is, you could make the arugment they would've been better off eating Ben & Jerry's for a couple years and bring the Hammer/ Happy party time back once the darker vibes had hit their peak and the tides turned back. The problem of being the "happy" song artist- what do you do when times get tough.

  • @mish375

    @mish375

    2 жыл бұрын

    You have to remember that Katy Perry became famous with shallow pop songs. So her built in fanbase wasn't interested in depth. They just wanted fun popcorn songs. So when she tried to go "deep" with her music, it was bound to fail. First, because it's not her wheelhouse and it comes across as shallow. Second because her fanbase doesn't want that and it would alienate them. While I personally don't like anything she's done, I do find it sad to see how quickly she crashed and burned.

  • @troodon1096

    @troodon1096

    2 жыл бұрын

    I for one am tired of people acting like Trump getting elected was some tragic dark event in this country equivalent to something like 9/11. A lot of people who thought it wasn't going to happen were disappointed, but come on, we've had presidents worse than him and got through it just fine. The only person that deserves to see his victory as some profound tragedy is Hillary Clinton.

  • @Diana-mu7pc

    @Diana-mu7pc

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@troodon1096 Cool, this isn't what my comment was about though. Were you by chance a child when Trump was elected?

  • @goingunder2548

    @goingunder2548

    4 ай бұрын

    Someone calling Katy Perry a 'poor thing' is just so amusing to me for some reason

  • @STR82DVD
    @STR82DVD3 ай бұрын

    I'm using that. "No cake under the frosting". Bloody brilliant young lad.

  • @HELLDAD.
    @HELLDAD.12 күн бұрын

    *Sigh* I know I said we were done, Katy Perry's "Witness" Trainwreckords video, but here we are again... take me back?

  • @rse1113
    @rse11132 жыл бұрын

    "No cake under the frosting" is one of the most apt and brilliant metaphors I've ever heard, especially in this case. I will be stealing it and using it in conversation from now until the end of time.

  • @alisaurus4224

    @alisaurus4224

    Жыл бұрын

    Like the styrofoam blocks bakeries use in displays

  • @totempolejoe1
    @totempolejoe12 жыл бұрын

    This is another video that exemplifies how good Todd's writing is. "Shots fired... directly into her own foot," is one of my favorite things Todd has ever said. And the way he develops his arguments and explains things is a genuine inspiration to me.

  • @leonardocarvalho7306

    @leonardocarvalho7306

    2 жыл бұрын

    His metaphors are on point too, "Katy is a firework" to explain how her time in the limelight was bright but short

  • @morganqorishchi8181

    @morganqorishchi8181

    2 жыл бұрын

    One of the great things about Todd is that you can watch videos from over the course of his career and see how much his writing has improved and his ability to explain his arguments has become better. He's always had good lines, but as time has gone on he's gotten increasingly good at comedic timing with his writing as well as clarifying points for those who aren't musically knowledgeable.

  • @venusmilksheep
    @venusmilksheep2 жыл бұрын

    This is probably the only Trainwreckord that I actually lived to see it happen

  • @TacticusPrime

    @TacticusPrime

    9 ай бұрын

    I'm sure Man of the Woods will be interesting. Especially in the context of Timberlake being in the Trolls franchise plus all the revelations from Brittany Spears' new book.

  • @Comet_Coyote
    @Comet_Coyote Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely loved Chained to the Rhythm when it came out. Her voice and tone fits that style so well. I legit think a sequel to this album with the ideas more fleshed out would launch her career again. Similar to what Tyler did with Cherry Bomb. Took those ideas and used them as inspiration

  • @__rm307

    @__rm307

    8 ай бұрын

    I loved it too - the video was stunning imo - and I didn’t get the Hunger Games reference. To me it looked exactly like the episode “nosedive” in Black Mirror. With the washed out pastel tones, and retro futurism.