that vandalized aesthetic of tatsunoko vs capcom's training stage would be perfect for SF6

Street fighter 6, despite having a boring training stage, has settings to let you turn it off for online play, as stages are actually client side in sf6. This includes spectators too, so player 1 could be on the grid, player two could be on cherry blossoms, and a spectator could be seeing the jungle.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I truly hope this feature is used more in other fighters. That way everyone can get what they want

@ToonyTails

9 ай бұрын

Huh, I actually had no clue SF6 worked that way.

Great video! One correction: Arika makes Fighting EX Layer, not SNK, though Terry Bogard is in the game.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Can't believe let that one slip 😂 Thank you so much for telling me

For me, i do like some of the training stage themes from Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and the one in virtua fighter 5 ultimate. I do like watching sfv tournaments when they added the cpt stages. That being said, as someone who played a good amount of competitive levels with a majority of these games mentioned here, whenever the training stages were selected, I just feel disappointed as there is a lot of cool looking stages to choose from. I was even surprised that KI was the first to have training mode, and that's a fun fact i am happy to learn about today! I'm super glad to see you also mentioned the training stage for the current KI and the in stage jukebox they had for it and the tournament stage for MK11. It was pretty cool to see some from DOA too. I do agree that they should allow the option to somewhat customize the training stages with personal designs and stuff like how sfv did with the dojo stage. Overall, a good video about the training stages in fighting games ^_^

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I have so many friends that pick training stage every time i play them and to me kinda takes out the fun energy of playing a fighting game tbh

@Shockbrawler

Жыл бұрын

@@baberuthless it does. Playing those stages with friends just kinda kills the hype of playing them honestly

One neat thing in training stages that isn't necessarily always true but has been common since their inception is that they tend to have a strong backing beat in their music at a consistent tempo through the track. It's not an explicit thing and it's not used in every game but it's a stylistic choice that helps drive it as a "training stage" by giving the music itself a metronome that would in theory be helpful to get timing down. Which makes it kinda odd how no fighting game has really implemented something like a visible metronome in their training stage or otherwise implementing rhythm-based teaching methods considering how combos, blockstrings or other tech can often be pretty tricky and are designed for a rhythm and so if your hands can't "feel" the rhythm you're going to keep dropping it - letting you visually register the combo is one thing but if you mess up on a link because your hand naturally gravitates to inputting too fast, having the training mode or combo trials lean you into the correct rhythm seems like a no-brainer.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Damn that’s a good point! Which example a why a lot of capcom ones seem to have banger songs! I wish MK would also follow that suit in the music department they could certainly use it

@doublevendetta

9 ай бұрын

Some games (BBCF being my favorite fighting game jumps out as an obvious candidate) actually DO use audio cues in TRAINING options to help demonstrate timing. The exact example you're trying to suggest isn't used the way that you're hoping it would be because really, given the size of most fighting game rosters and the therefore inherently wide array of timing variation from character to character, it wouldn't be terribly useful. What bbcf and I imagine several other games actually DO do, is something like use a sequence of beeps or other sound cues during something like example playback for a combo to show when and where buttons in the sequence should be pressed.

Just found this channel via Thorgi's Arcade & I'm happy to find such a passionate channel for the more visually distinctiveness of Fighting games! Despite the usual lack of interest in this field,I enjoy the stories behind them; Both in Lore & development. Hope to see more of ya in the future! 💯🖌

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I’m very happy to fill that niche 😁

PLEASE! Dead or Alive has so much AMAZING stages, you can practically make a video on every one of them especially how you can move around and just, explore.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I love all of them so much they do so much cool experimenting that other fighters would never do. I will do the series justice in the future

when MK9's Challenge Tower appeared it was like going back to a house that I've moved from years ago. I was raised on those streets

The training stage is the greatest stage ever... such an iconic stage with breathtaking colors, thought provoking artistic designs....

Man, I honestly HATE training stages used for competitive battles and they should be banned. One funny thing that some people have done with the KOF XV for Steam is that they edit the training stage to make it look like a basketball alley, some even pasted a HD wallpaper of classic stages (non animated, of course) which at least make it look more beautiful cuz also they edit the floor with a pattern very similar to the wallpaper stage used.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing those mods thinking SNK patched in a new version of the grid but they were just really well done! Im so glad people have modded in better versions of the grid

@Just.Kidding

6 ай бұрын

That's kind of a solved problem at this point for a lot of games. Modern fighting games are capable of having the competitors select the training stage, but displaying the same fight with a different stage to the stage/crowd

Another great vid! If there's one stage that needs to be banned in all competitive battles and gaming tournaments, it's training stages. No using the grid to help you w/ spacing. No lack of distractions. You're on your own. Time to put you concentration to the test. Once again, I look forward to seeing what you make next. More fighting games you should look into include Savage Reign, the Virtua Fighter series and the ARC System Works games (the Guilty Gear series and the BlazBlue series)

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Would love to do guilty gear! I am very intimidated to cover it though that being said since I don’t know any of the lore and I feel like that would be important to properly cover it

Hi Baberuthless, Congratulations on another brilliant video, Though it's 30 minutes long the time flew by. When my eye sight was good enough to be able to see the screen Training mode wasn't even a thing. As my eye sight deteriorated training stages began to be more common place. Funny thing is that I would have loved them back in the day as they are rather minimalist so they remove distractions and make the characters stand out that bit more and thus easier to see.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

thats a perspective i havent considered! Since the business of the other stages could very much distract from the gameplay.

The earliest example of a dedicated training stage I can think of is 1993's Eternal Champions. It's a cold, chrome room with a window of a tranquil evening waterfall in the background. It's less of a traditional fighting game training mode and functions a bit more like a Danger Room with minigames to text your reflexes, matchup knowledge, and hitboxes.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad they were trying to be creative with their training mode and the stage itself! I believe KI and the sailor moon game it’s just a random stage with you being able to beat up an idle Cpu

I love the grid

You mentioned the idea of "stage archetypes" at the start of the video, that actually sounds like a super cool idea for a future vid! I can definitely imagine a few but it would be cool to see the kind of recurring stage ideas we see in fighting games.

The Tekken Tag 2 Strategic Space stage seems to be a reference to the extra game mode Tekken Force available in Tekken 5. At least that's what I think it is. I totally get disliking training room stages too but the lag and distractions in other stages are often looked down upon in competitive play since some games rely on frame perfect inputs. Always did pick my training stages for the music since that'll be playing throughout my training session haha

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

And I totally get the reason for choosing it because of lag and wouldn’t blame the players for choosing it because of that. I leave that responsibility to the makers of the game to make their other stages work as well as the training stage. Since training stage has a not the best showcase for a game to onlookers or even myself imo

@augustinechen3029

Жыл бұрын

Yea its totally on the devs for allowing other stages to fall behind haha that I agree. I guess one of the competitive stages that I'm sure of that isn't a training stage is UMVC3's Bonne Wonderland which is based off Kattelox Island from the Megaman Legends series. Though the extremely bright white palette of the stage hurts my astigmatism 🤣🤣

Funnily enough, the MK11 arcade stage even has a grid floor!

Hey! Thank you for your videos! I love the art of Fighting Games stages and I also want to do some stage art for myself in the future. I'm really glad there are a channel like yours since this is something I've been missing a lot here on youtube. Thank you!

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Happy to fill that niche ☺️also good luck on your stage art!

Only just started watching your videos, but i just wanna say I love that someone is highlighting the amazing stages in fighting games, and was interesting thinking about the different types of training stages visually. (also am very glad to here you'll be covering dead or alive stages since i absolutely love DOA and personally think the stages are one of the biggest draws of the series to me)

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I feel like people have forgotten how incredible DOAs stages have been through out the series

Funny thing about the origin of training mode, Kaiser Knuckle was actually debuted with a training mode only a few months before Killer Instinct (July 1994 vs September 1994), stealing the first spot.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Kaiser knuckle had a training mode! Does it also perhaps predate the sailor moon fighter? I know that one has a training mode as well

@xcrackervolleyx

Жыл бұрын

@@baberuthless Actually yeah, it seems so. Wikipedia says that Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon was released in December 1994.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

@@xcrackervolleyx Damn Kaiser knuckle is more influential than people give it credit for, including me!

I am so glad that you brought up stages. I love your content and was curious on your thoughts with eerie stages such as Soul Caliber 2 boss stage and similar to those. I thought I remember one that was just pure black.

@baberuthless

9 ай бұрын

They certainly set the mood in an amazing way

I'm so glad I found a channel about the cool stuff from fighting games that doesn't had to do with online play or tournaments play.

Great video! Completely agree and look forward to more!

That Tekken tag 2 grid stage has huge portal vibes

"I see this stage in competitive play quiet often" The same time competitive UMVC3: Bonne Wonderland

@baberuthless

3 күн бұрын

People need a permanent advertisement for megaman legends

Stages werent just banned in mvc3 because some stages were darker. Some were also banned because the background would make the game slowdown

Awesome video! Regarding training stages, this is why Killer Instinct (2013) is one of my favorite fighting games of all time. I wish other fighting games take notes from this awesome game. Don't have training stages selectable outside of training mode!

I haven’t watched the video yet but I hope Dan-Ku-Ga stages are mentioned. They’re unique in the way that they can expand horizontally based on how much damage is done to the ‘borders’

While DBFZ doesn't have a dedicated training stage, most comp matches take place on Cell Games Arema since it's the one with the least visual clutter, and even then it makes sense lore-wise since Cell chose the stage location for (what I believe to be) its wide open area and least impact to civilian life

Update: Killer Instinct's grid can now be selected in normal gameplay as of the most recent patch.

Great video as always! Whenever I go into training mode in Tekken 7, I use Infinite Azure, so at least in my headcanon it's a training stage 😁. During the SF6 beta, I noticed that stages aren't synchronised between players, so you can play on your favourite stage while your opponent stays on the grid if their potato PC requires them to. Hopefully this will enable tournaments to not be played on the grid.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I actually didn’t know that about SF6 that seem like a perfect solution to me! So if people like their grid they can stay there

Great video! Didn't know about the ones from Playstation All-stars, that's genieunly awful yet amazing haha

Here because of Thorgi's Arcade. Can't wait to watch all your videos

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Hope you enjoy 😊

🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 you're nailing it with these videos. Keep them going. Super Dragon Ball Z for PS2 has a grid stage as well.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

That to me is funny, they could just use the hyperbolic time chamber for a training stage instead 😅

@prof.x3821

Жыл бұрын

@@baberuthless Exactly lol. But they wanted to use the gravity room. In DBZ Budokai series, not Tenkaiichi, you can choose any stage to train including the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

Yayyyy new video!

you know, watching this video made me have a sudden realization: speaking as someone who primarily interacts with fighting games as a serious competitive player... why can't we just have a stage that's relatively simple and barren, but still "A Real Stage", like Infinite Azure in tekken 7, and then have the ability to turn on an overlay of gridded lines as a UI element only while in training mode? you could theoretically use such an option on any stage if you let your players pick whatever stage they want for training (which seems to be the norm nowadays; i feel like it's been a long time since i've played a fighting game that forced you to train ONLY on a designated Training Stage). that way every stage meaningfully contributes to the aesthetic experience of the game, but additionally, any stage can be used while training in a capacity that lets you measure spacing, and if you make sure you have at least one stage that is pretty simple like Infinite Azure, almost like it's the one most intended for training on (but not required), you can also have a stage that provides relative visual clarity for training purposes as well.

@baberuthless

7 ай бұрын

If an infinite azure like stage was the new training standard I’d be super cool with that!

I like training stage in sf6 because it's the only stage I can run without my laptop dying

Not exactly a popular game, but Kirby Fighters 2 has a blue and white checkerboard pattern as it's training stage. It's also a reference to the tutorial area of Kirby 64. Kirby did the grid before an actual fighting game Also KF2 is a really fun game and I wish it was more popular

@baberuthless

10 ай бұрын

Kirby fighter 2 is great! I wish more people played it too😭 I actually didn’t know about the Kirby grid stage in that game either!

First! Now to watch the video!

Also on tekken 7 when your looking for a online match in turns to a cyberspace grid not my favorite because kinder gym is the best

It’s weird for me cause when watching comp cause I would hate seeing the training stage in SF4 cause it looks boring but I love the training stage in MVC3 cause it looks so damn epic

No idea what the first game to have a training mode was, but Sailor Moon S has one and predates Killer Instinct's SNES port. That game has a fascinating history and some beautiful stages. Worth looking into if you're not familiar already!

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I’m very familiar with that game and I love it! I loved playing as Uranus she’s so busted. I also had no idea it predates KI on snes in terms of a training mode thats pretty amazing!

Pokken Tournament had a really cool training stage, it was set in a gym where there is exercise equipment such as treadmills and punching bags, small Pokémon in the background and statues.

@baberuthless

3 ай бұрын

That one is a really cool one! Wish I added that in the vid 🥲

Another great vid! I like that you discuss the music along with the stage in your videos. Just curious, what would you say is the greatest fighting game stage music of all time?

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Oof that’s tough. I do like Tekken 5 for it’s variety. But then you have SF2 for how recognizable and iconic it is. So I’m kinda in between those two for myself personally

@renovalentino

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s really hard to sleep on Street Fighter 2. I’d say my guilty pleasure is the music from the Persona fighting games.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

@@renovalentino Persona music in general is always GOATed so def not a bad pick at all!

i never liked the training stages back in marvel vs capcom 3 and i legit would have love to choose the stages during the missions and hearing the fighter's theme while completing their missions

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Same here I have that training stage song from MVC3 and SF4 burned into my brain

common baberuthless banger

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Kaius 😭

40 mins of training stage... Let's go

It's funny, I was commentating for SF6 for both a local weekly and a local major more than a week ago, and both my co-comm and I were booing anytime Training Stage was selected. So yeah, we echo the sentiment that it's so boring for that stage to be used in tourneys, especially in Top 8. IIRC, I think SF5 had an option to turn off Training Stage for Random Select, but I'm not sure for SF6 or other fighting games.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

SF6 thankfully does allow for that at least when you play online.

Excellent! You have a new subscriber. The way you detail a topic like training stages that many overlook is just fantastic, great depth and detail, and your passion for fighting games and their aesthetics is obvious. Great job and keep it up!

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words! I’m happy to make these for a long time to come ☺️

I think they should normalize regular environmental stages with tiled floors. That would let them create interesting backgrounds while retaining the functionality of the grid.

This is the fighting game content I crave.

I’ve really been given a new appreciation for the stages and environment in general in the games that I’ve been playing for years, thanks to you! Keep it up!

The "KOF branding" on the KOF XIV training stage is actually just the default text, and is customizable in a setting somewhere.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I actually didn’t know that! That kinda reminds me of some DOA4 stages that let you do the same thing

Honestly i have a modded soul calibur 6 so i have the stage faraway meadow which is still wall less but is a infinite field of grass within a foggy area...animals running around. It's pretty cool ngl

Training stage literally looks like one of those padded insane asylums 99% of the time. Vastly prefer the kind of hologram look in MVC2 and CVS2, making it not just a square room helps a lot.

Idk if anyone mentioned it but the Kof14 training stage had the option to change the text displayed in the background. Not too major but I thought it was interesting.😅

@baberuthless

7 ай бұрын

Hey thats something at least!

I would string up whoever suggested the training stage being playable outside of training then let the FGC and casuals pelt them with fruit. The training stage in competitive is the most boring stuff to watch if the stage isn't modded to something more interesting with good music to match

I haven't played skullgirls in a minute, but didn't know there was a new character

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

They are 3 new ones now!

I really hope more games go the KI route and make it so that the training stage can only exclusively be used in training mode. As someone who competes, I am so tired of seeing that god forsaken grid wherever I go. Of course there's the argument that the training stages have the least amount of lag and etc etc, but at that point it should be on the devs to fix that and not use the training stage as a crutch.

@baberuthless

7 ай бұрын

100% agree with everything here

My personal favorite training stage would be from Mortal Kombat X, exactly because it's a pure contrast to the other grey bland generic training stages you just covered. It is a vast, circular room with blue and cyan lights pulsating through the walls and the floor, which already gives it much more life. Two large screens in the background show the fight from various angles, while the graphs display some random statistics. And to top it all off, the room will recreate a random stage's interactable objects in the form of holograms. All these elements combined give the stage a more lively and combative experience, while not making it so distracting, and I wish more FGs would get as creative.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I just wish they give it a bit more pizzaz for these grid likes just like how MK and tekken have been doing

very interesting take on a not often talked about aspect of fighting games! you have a rather unique perspective, and although im a big fan of the plain sf4 style grid, something you mentioned, of being able to customize it, with colors, logos or objects, sorta like animal crossing, sounds like a great idea! im gonna spend most of my time there, might as well spice it up!

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! i totally understand people liking the grid for what it is, I just think with such a blank canvas in the background we could do something with it.

As a competitive player, I fucking hate the training stage, lol

A Certain thorgi youtuber send me here

I remember when Kratos had an exclusive stage for Mortal Kombat 9 it wasn't allowed in tournaments due it lags especially the Ps3 hardware wasn't powerful enough.

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

Very true! That and the screen would shake every now and then making it a tad distracting

Finally someone had the same thought as I do regarding training stages as the go-to stage for competitive FGs. I just found it so wrong that two of the greatest players in the tournament go head to head in an epic battle for victory in a location perfect for them: the...grid? The only time I was okay with a training stage was MvC3's Danger Room because just like you showed, it has some elements in the background. Plus, as a fan of the X-Men, the Danger Room served as a life-or-death simulator for mutants. Amazing content btw. Just subbed after I found your channel from Thorgi's Arcade. I'm eager to see more breakdowns on FG stages.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I agree as a final battle between two pros the grid is not the most exciting place to do it. Capcom has the right idea by having different themed tourny stages

@jblue88hoodgamer54

Жыл бұрын

I agree even Maximillian Dood even spoke about the Training Stages.

If you're aesthetically-minded then you'll *hate* what training mode does in Super Smash Bros on the N64. It lets you select any normal stage...but replaces the background with the SSB logo ball.

@baberuthless

8 ай бұрын

Certainly not a fan of that 😆 if it was toggleable it be a different story though

Before watching this video my favorite fighting game had the woooorst stage of all time: Rose Stadium Misted - Diabolosis, Oblivion Now I'll watch and see if the video is incorrect from the thumbnail hopefully some real shit stages are in this video :D

GG: you guys have a training stage?

@WormyJester8

2 күн бұрын

didn't Xrd have Arena with screens showing character info and stuff?

Power Rangers Battle for the Grid has a pretty nice training stage with nice music

DOA2 and 3 do remix the DOA1 training music too. It's just not as obvious.

One point of ingenious design choice that was strangely omitted from this video is that SF6's training can be disabled in online play. The stages in the game can be set so that you specifically will never play in the grid, all without effecting how your opponent sees the game. It is possible for one player to use that setting while another set to ONLY play in the grid. By essentially adding a slider, capcom sidesteps the grid stage controversy entirely.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

This video was being worked on before SF6 most recent beta so had no clue about this feature im until recently. That being said i am glad it’s in it!

Shouts out to Street Fighter x Tekken for having to most interesting "grid" stage by FAR.

You should talk about the stages in ps all stars they're prettry cool

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I agree! i know its popular to hate on but i do like the game a decent amount

So you don't like KOF XV's training stage. Neither do I, I'm tired of the grid as well! That's why I got the Training Court mod. The floor resembles an street basketball court and the walls are filled with graffiti-styled SNK references. Some of them I don't even get! All the walls use the same texture so you're not missing anything behind the camera.

In all the times ive entered kof xv, no stages were banned, i bet the finals just hit random select and got training mode

I wont lie, i live and breath training stage, but more so as necessities a d not by choices. I wish game devs would make sure stage performance are equal thrue out all stages.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I agree I don’t blame players who pick em I just hope in future fighters more consideration for optimizing all stages are considered

I miss the days when the grid didn't exist. If devs left the stage out of the final build of the game, nobody would bat an eye. The people who do use it, use it because of less resources being used and it's less distracting. But I would guarantee you that even those people would say, "WHERE"S MAH GRID AT?!" if the devs left it out.

If you didn't cover DoA, I was going to suggest it. Great dig at DoA 6, too! Eff that game.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

I certainly want to cover DOA in a future vid they have so much to talk about that I feel like people are sleeping on!

I appreciate the simple grid stages for their functionality, and it's annoying when they mess with it and ruin the whole point. The grid patterns should be smaller so you can get more precision on your spacing. They should also contrast with the characters to make them easier to see. In SFxT, the characters have a blue hue so it REALLY hurts with that training stage's blue hue as everything melts together What TTT2 did with the various obstacles that you could train with all in one stage was nice, too. But since every stage in Tekken is unique, there are stage specific combos that you can only practice on those stages, so just use them. DoA6 has a walled training stage whereas in DoA5 you could turn the walls on or leave them off so you didn't have to worry about resetting your position after every other hit to try general combos without smacking a wall. DoA6 also has a wide variety of stages with specific combos that use hazards so, like Tekken, on speed you should just train on that specific stage, or make the training stage wallless for general practice. Everything about DoA6 was a bad design choice that made it just a worse DoA5, I swear... The Fighting Evolution stage gives Me vertigo with how tilted it is compared to all the other stages. It's like the camera POV is way higher and pointed down, but the angle of the characters doesn't match. That all being said, it is absolutely super boring to see every match played on them. I can understand it, though. There are people in SF5 rank that pick Necali on the beach stage specifically because of how the water obscures his floor projectile. I wish the designers would keep this sort of thing in mind so they could design stages that all look nice but also don't impact gameplay. The lag that overly animated 3D stages causes on top of the distractions really wasn't a problem until Unreal became the standard graphical engine. I like the old 2D stages that had movement, and especially the ones that changed between rounds, and it's why I adore that CotA training stage even if there are some foreground objects getting in the way. One idea I had to incorporate the function of the grid for spacing into other stages would be to just use floors with brick or wood panel. You could make it look like the grid without it being a grey void.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

That’s a good idea perhaps have it themed like a dojo by useing wood or brick to still allow for the spacing to be measured.

do you stream?

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Haha not anymore sorry

Training stages DO NOT reduce lag. There's 0 reason to stream stage data when each player can just render it locally. All other things being equal (no interactivity, same length, etc.,), each player could even choose their own, separate stage if the developers gave players the option.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to SF6 feature where it allows for that?

I like the grid, but DEFINITELY NOT in a tournament

You did briefly show it, but I hoped you'd at least mention the music from Skullgirls's training stage. It's pretty boring other than the blackboard and desk, however.

Hah! I heart fighters but find myself watching far more than playing. Viva FGC!! 🎉

In the specific case of CVS2, I would assume the training stage is kind of lacking compared to other stages due to it being console-exclusive and was probably made in a rushed way as an afterthought and not as part of the pipeline of the rest of the stages in the game

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point! The same probably also applies for MVC2 since I don’t believe that stage is in the arcade release.

That's why we need arcade endings and some lore. I spend most of my time offline too. It's nice to see stages integrated to the fighters or narrative. Not a big fan of the forced cinematic fights from Netherrealm, even Capcom tried to copy on Infinity and Failed. Even with its cool story Mkx and 11 story modes are rather boring.

Mvc 2 and 3 have a good training stages

I'm surprised you didn't mention infinite azure is also a real place irl! Salar de uyuni

@baberuthless

3 ай бұрын

I mostly wanted to focus on the function of the stage but that’s certainly something I’d love to dive deeper into in the future 😁

@cannonfodder4000

3 ай бұрын

Sounds good, and awesome video btw!@@baberuthless

Really disagree with locking it to training

@alvinmercado6305

7 ай бұрын

If they go more a cvs2 route that be great the music is fantastic

In SFxT, you could customize the color of your fighter, and people who chose the training stage online would color their characters to match the stage, in hopes their opponent would have a hard time making their character out. That's basically all you need to know about people who intentionally pick the training stage; desperate for a tiny chance to improve their winning chance, even if it makes the game more unenjoyable for everyone involved.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Damn i didnt know about this and that perfectly captures why i hate the training stage being selected in tournys

@595no

Жыл бұрын

A whole another level, even beyond T-bag. :^)

Honestly I hate training stages. They're bland and boring and serve absolutely zero visual purpose. If I was a stage designer in any game and saw that the training stage was used primarily in competitive play I'd stop trying to make good stages. It's a slap in the face picking such a shit boring level over the more fleshed out locations. OR I'd completely avoid making a training stage as a massive FU to the fgc. As it is, I never set a training stage for anything. Not even training.

@baberuthless

Жыл бұрын

Same here I try to avoid it when all possible. If they have to exist I hope they go the route of tekken 7 or MK

Holy crap, I didn't realize just how many times this design was used for training stages. I thought this was applicable to only Capcom related games. I mainly only played SNK and Capcom fighters back in the day, so I was completely unaware.

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

Haha it’s certainly an epidemic at this point I didn’t even count a lot of indie games that use it

One of my favorite training stages is the one from Eternal Champions. If that counts.

@baberuthless

11 ай бұрын

I’ve played eternal champions but I’m actually not familiar with their training stage

@cakedaddys

11 ай бұрын

@@baberuthless Not only is it a nice looking stage, but in some modes you can add hazards to spice things up. Check it out!

The Grid is only cool when they do fun stuff with it like making it the Danger Room or vandalizing it in TvC. Or whatever the idea was in CvS2. Lol Otherwise it’s so boring. The lack of variety in streams with stages is exactly why I stopped watching tournaments honestly.

100% with you on this. I hate when the ugly training stage is part of the random selection list and I vividly despise the tasteless people who only choose the ugly training stage online.

"non competitive player worries too much about the esthetic of a purely utilitarian stage"

if you dont play fighting games and only look at them, then dont talk about them

I like your fighting game videos, keep up the good work