Did you know that these two actors hated each other?

@sburris65

Жыл бұрын

That was pretty much a well-known fact.

@bgueberdenteich5206

Жыл бұрын

Just ignore it 1

@KissyAdair

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I thought it was a pretty well known fact at this point in time.

@sonshinethomas7986

Жыл бұрын

Yeap

@wilsonlj7543

Жыл бұрын

What’s the background music at the beginning

Fred and Ethel sure had great on screen chemistry for not liking each other.

@eternalflame9339

Жыл бұрын

That's marriage

@scotnick59

Жыл бұрын

@@eternalflame9339 hahaha

@thelastminmom5251

Жыл бұрын

Amazing isn’t it

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@eternalflame9339 not for many couples. although it was worse in real life for Lucy and Desi.

Even if the folks who acted on the show truly did not like one another, you’d never know. That, to me is professionalism. Keep the private life just that. Private. We would watch this when I was growing up. Not too many other shows from that era have endured like this one.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Only Frawley & Vance didn't like each other. Yes, Lucy & Desi had marital problems & their fighting on set grew more frequent & louder as the series went on, but you certainly couldn't say it was because they didn't like each other!

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

While both Lucy & Desi liked Frawley, Desi & Bill were closer friends, partly because they were alcoholics. When Vance died, Desi said it was hard to lose "one of your best friends" & Vivian was always fond of Desi.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

When Desi offered Vance & Frawley a spin-off about the Mertzes, Vance refused, despite being offered a $50,000 bonus. She wouldn't work with Frawley. But she continued working with Lucy for the rest of her life.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Lucy refused to do The Lucy Show WITHOUT Vivian. They were co-stars for 3 seasons (almost 90 eps). Viv finally got to shed her Ethel character. Her condition for doing the show was that her character's name be Vivian. After she left, Lucy considered ending the show but she continued, completely overhauling the setting & situation, removing the children & having Lucy move to an apartment in L.A. Viv appeared as a guest 3 more times and appeared as a guest on Here's Lucy and on Lucy's TV special, "Lucy Calls the President", as different characters each time, but always with the name, "Vivian". Her last name changed with each character, of course, just as Lucy's did.

I Love Lucy was the first television show I made it a point to watch every episode of. They don't make em like that anymore. And probably never will ever again. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@thomaskeil1437

Жыл бұрын

They don't make them like that anymore? The formula wouldn't work now. It worked then because that was an earlier era. No visible toilets, side by side twin beds and guilt-free tobacco.

@DavidStarrUSA

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaskeil1437 true. It WAS scrubbed clean.

@lindabradford9591

Жыл бұрын

Right!!! I loved that show.

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaskeil1437 The formula wouldn't work now - however, I still watch the show and bought all 5 or 6 seasons on KZread Got me thru Covid still giving laughter. Thank you so much for this gift. I haven't watched tv in years and am happy to watch the show on my computer.

@rongendron8705

Жыл бұрын

I'm 76 & saw "I love Lucy, from its beginning in 1951! Remember, there were no re-runs then! ( Another show replaced it, in the summer.) So, with no way to record a show, "If you missed it, you missed it!"

I loved it when Vivien was onlater The Lucille Ball Show. It was like seeing 2 old friends. They played off each other wonderfully.

@Thomas-yr9ln

Жыл бұрын

That was a woman's show.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

​@@Thomas-yr9ln Why's that? Because it was about raising kids & neither had husbands? They have plenty of male fans, judging by YT comments! They still did physical comedy & some of those eps are as hilarious as anything on I Love Lucy! They even had the same writers as ILL for the first 2-3 years. You are the first person I've seen say it was "a woman's show". It was the precursor of Laverne & Shirley in the '70s & Kate & Allie in the '80s & I've seen lots of men who were/are Kate & Allie fans posting on YT, too. All were successful shows.

Sad to hear some of these things about our beloved “Fred Metz”. I loved the show and characters.

@SP-qo3pd

Жыл бұрын

He was born in the 1880s, what did you expect? LOL

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@SP-qo3pd Well, to be fair, so was Eleanor Roosevelt! Teddy Roosevelt, Susan B. Anthony, Frederick Douglass, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, William Lloyd Garrison, & many other progressives were born decades BEFORE Frawley. In fact, Garrison DIED before Frawley was even born! In every generation, people are a product of their times. Change does come, gradually, through the work of exceptional people who envision new ideas & moral imperatives & devote decades of their lives to their causes. On the other hand, sometimes progressives make errors in judgement & support policies they later deny or regret! (I'm thinking of eugenics, but we have contemporary examples, too.)

They might of hated each other, but they were sure professionals because they played it off beautifully on-screen. The "I Love Lucy" show will always be a part of my childhood because of them. ❤

Everytime I think I know al' the information about these entertainers as Im a big fan, I always hear something new about them that surprises me..wow

The inside story about William Frawley is he auditioned for the role and Desi Arnaz ( a brilliant businessman who pioneered the 3 camera system used today - before then most , if not all shows used the one camera - shot from the middle - system. Anyway, Desi told Bill he would hire him to play Fred.. Mr. Frawley had serious alcohol problem and Desi said you stop drinking .PERIOD. It'll kill you and before that happens you could end up dead. Bill Frawley years later in an interview credited Desi & Lucy with reviving his stalled career .But more importantly saving him from the ruination of alcohol.

@mainecoon6514

Жыл бұрын

Desi was an alcoholic and womanizer.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Desi Arnaz himself was an alcoholic. He NEVER got Bill to stop drinking. He just got Bill to stop showing up for work drunk while on ILL. Bill was drinking again on My Three Sons. He was even drinking when he wasn't working during his time on I Love Lucy.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

BTW, Desi's use of the 3 camera system has nothing to do with Bill, so leave that out the next time since your point got buried in that irrelevant tangent.

@marilynwillett804

Ай бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks THANKS for the truth, 2 alcoholics, frawley always at the race tracks, i believe who cares, Desi always in another woman's bed and Lucy tolerating it year after year, i have no respect for it.

great show chemistry

Anyone who loves and cherishes I Love Lucy, loves and cherishes Fred & Ethel!💜

Never realized he could be a worse person than he actually portrayed on I Love Lucy - So very Sad & Alcoholism certainly made him even so much worse

So nice; your presentation. Thank you.

this was great, thanks!

Fascinating and interesting video about the feud between Vivian Vance and William Frawley during their careers and time as co stars on I Love Lucy

@bgueberdenteich5206

Жыл бұрын

Do not take this too seriously, please !

@marilynwillett804

Ай бұрын

he was 22 freaking years older than her, too old to play a husband.

Bill Frawley and Vivian Vance were professional enough to put "their personal differences aside" when they're on the job. (This includes public appearances.) I heard that there was a clause in both of their contracts, that if one of them left the show, the other one would also go. 🤔 if that was true, that would also make them mutually dependent on each other for job security while working for Desilu.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

They would NEVER punish Vivian for Bill's alcoholism!! Vivian GAVE UP her theatre career to do ILL. Bill's career was effectively over b/c of his reputation for being belligerent toward co-stars, his alcoholism, & his age. Desi warned Bill not to show up drunk on set. That didn't stop him from being belligerent toward Vivian.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

No way would they throw away Lucy & Viv's chemistry! Lucy & Ethel grew to be as important to the show's success as Lucy & Ricky, which is why the duo & Ethel started getting more screen time.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Bill needed Desi. Lucy needed Viv. Lucy & Ethel are on a postage stamp! There's a doll SET of them in those candy factory costumes! Lucy & Viv are the most enduring, widely recognized, & most beloved comedic duo in entertainment history.

Well Now Lucy and Desi are together again and Lucy and Vivian too

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

where or when one person mention the Lord Jesus or salvation? they lived for money and fame.

Bill Frawley died 12 days after I was born.

IIRC, Vance was a 1950’s Progressive, and Frawley was …. to be kind … was NOT. Of course they wouldn’t get along, except professionally. Lucille Ball was an absolute doll. A real treasure of a human being.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

IIRC? What does that mean?

@ponterbee240

Жыл бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks “If I Remember Correctly”.

Frawley was a reflection for how the culture was back in his days, back in the 50s Men are expected to go out and earn a living, women are expected to stay home, raise kids, and run a household. Vance represented everything he didn't like at the time she was a woman, working, not managing a house. Vance was already at a disadvantage with Frawley, and Lucy it seems. If Vance had not said what she did, eventually Frawley wouldn't have liked her. I do love the show, they are a reflective of times back then. Things were notoriously chauvinistic. Lucy doing so well on the show probably took a lot of men by surprise. Usually male leads got the big spots. The one thing I will credit Frawley and Vance for is their professionalism. If you didn't know about William and Vivian's feud you probably wouldn't have believed they didn't like each other.

@roxannemoser

Жыл бұрын

That sure changed in the 60s. Women wanted careers. Now, not too many men want a family structure that way.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Frawley was 64 when he started I Love Lucy. Vance was 42. He wasn't a product of the '50s. He was a product of 1887! Don't blame the '50s for everything! He was old enough to be her father!

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Lucy was the first woman to run a Hollywood production company after she bought out Desi. She overruled all the MEN on Desilu's board who wanted to drop Star Trek & Mission Impossible.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Lucy was the boss, so it was even more than just having a successful TV show with a female lead. Our Miss Brooks and The Donna Reid Show were both sitcoms with women as the main characters.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

God said the man is to provide for the family GOD said the woman is to be the keeper of the home, I could go on further, it is not a sin if she has an outside job BUT her first job is her home, children. many women forget that.

She was way out of his league. He was lucky to have her as a co-star but he acted like its the other way around.

I had no idea they hated each other back then. They hid it well on screen. I found out later about how they hated each other. I came home from middle school every day, had a bowl of cereal for a snack before going out to play. While eating that cereal, my mom and I would watch "I Love Lucy." I always missed the first 10 minutes since it started just before I got home from school. But we always watched it to the end before I went outside. So, their show brings back more memories of my Mom, then of the actors and actresses on it. But it was a great show.

I'm sorry about their relationship off set but on I thought they were very funny together. I read once that Vivian said who would believe I was married to that old coot. But I thought their relationship was very believable. And it's hard to imagine anyone else playing those roles but Vivian and Bill.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

It was believable b/c Vivian was given frumpy clothes, make-up to make her look older & less attractive, & an old lady haircut & bad perm! Vivian was a pretty, trim, 42-year-old & Frawley was a fat, grouchy 64-year-old! If you knew them IRL, you'd be like, "WTF is that pretty young woman doing with a fat, grumpy, bald man old enough to be her father?! He doesn't even treat her well!"

I really do not want to know the darker side!1 I loved the shows too much !

@christineparis5607

Жыл бұрын

True love means you know everything, good and bad, but still love! Don't let your judgement cloud your enjoyment of the show! You don't know everything they had problems about, if you did, you might be completely understanding. We should never form our opinions about people based on what we're told about them, unless you're there at the time, you're not getting the true story, guaranteed! See this as an opportunity to be a bigger person, someone who looks at the big picture, not just the flashcard waved in front of you.

@bgueberdenteich5206

Жыл бұрын

@@christineparis5607 Christine, you are judging, not I I do not know the true circumstances. this just is a piece of he said, she said , posted on KZread . Nobody here knows the truth and I dislike gossip and please do not preach to me about being a bigger person , are you really serious ? Maybe you should apply that sentiment to yourself and follow it! I suggest you find something constructive to do !

@christineparis5607

Жыл бұрын

@@bgueberdenteich5206 I volunteered for hospice, how come that's not constructive? I think it's pretty important. What do you do?

@bgueberdenteich5206

Жыл бұрын

@@christineparis5607 I do the same !

@marywoodard4241

Жыл бұрын

I really don't mind hearing the truth , doesn't take away me enjoying the good memories a show, or movie would have given me. Just wait , shortly, we're All gonna hear truths come out , that'll make your insides curdle 😒 !

They are 22 years a part. That was the main reason

It's sad that people were willing to dig for Vivian and not for Fred

Interesting: Mertz is German for Mars the God of war

@corinnepmorrison1854

Жыл бұрын

For real? Good input, Patricia...👍🏻

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Oh, wow! I wonder if that was intentional?

i probably wouldn't have liked the actor , i but loved fred . he was the only character on the show that i thought was funny . i've heard that barbara pepper , the actress who played doris ziffel on "green acres" was turned down for the part of ethel because she also had a drinking problem , and the show big shots didn't want to deal with 2 actors who had the problem .

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

The show big shots were Lucy & Desi. They owned Desilu Studios. They were the President & VP of the company. Desi was responsible for casting Fred & Ethel & for hiring Frawley & Vance.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

Are you serious DESI WAS AN ALCOHOLIC.

Lucille ball said ethel had to dress plainer than lucille ball in all the episodes

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

When Vivian co-starred with Lucy in The Lucy Show, which started in 1962, Viv dressed just as nicely as Lucy. Lucy refused to do the show w/o Vivian. Also, in TLS & in every future project in which Vivian made guest appearances, her characters were always named VIVIAN. (The last name changed with each series or special, just as Lucy's did.)

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Lucille Ball wasn't the only person who said that. It was a necessity b/c NO ONE would believe that a pretty, trim, 42-year-old would be married to a grouchy, bald, fat 64-year-old who constantly insulted her!

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Viv was given frumpy clothes, make-up to make her look older, & an old lady haircut & bad perm to make it BELIEVABLE that she'd be married to a grumpy man old enough to be her father! Her look became more like Vivian IRL later in the series, after the show had become a phenomenal success & people had accepted the Mertzes as a couple.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks Viv was hair was terrible, clown ish. She should have refused that, it resembled a shower cap.

Believe it or not married couples related to each other like that. My parents loved Lucy and the Honeymooners. They felt the Honeymooners was just like them. I felt dad was just like Archie in all in the family but mom was like Ethel.

@janicepedroli7403

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't Donna Reed.

Nothing new to find here! Good job but nothing new. But then I own copies of several Lucy books as well as The Other Side of Vivian Vance. Ball and Vance were great friends.

Did you read about how her own mother was ? It was in one of those tabloid magazines.

l like Ethel And Fred Mertz

@mainecoon6514

Жыл бұрын

They played well off of each other.

From what i hear Vance hated every scene where she and Frawley has to kiss because he actively ate onions before the scene so she had to deal with rancid breath on top of their hostility towards each other

I've heard this before about Vivian Vance and William Frauly and its to bad they didn't get along. If the comment was made early on I've always thought that she should have taken the high road and apologized for it. The years between them was considerable but not totally uncommon then as well as now some men marry women that are quite a bit younger especially rich people. An insault is an insault

@stitcher4729

Жыл бұрын

I never had any trouble believing them as a long time married couple.

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

@@stitcher4729 Me neither - it worked - if they glamorized Vivian it would have been off. Or if she wore expensive clothes also would have been off. I never had trouble believing them as a couple both acted A+ in their parts.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

INSULT. Not insault.

@walterdorsey8935

Жыл бұрын

I apologize for misspelling the word insult, it was computer generated. I forgot to do a correct spelling check, it sometimes happens, I hope still you were able to understand more importantly, the meaning of the comment, thanks again.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@walterdorsey8935 I'm sorry to be so gruff. I just read so many comments on YT where people don't know when NOT to use apostrophes or they post comments that DON'T make sense to anyone who isn't a mindreader & I snapped. LOL At least your comment made sense to someone outside your own head. LOL [Edited for grammar. LOL]

From what I understood when ILL ended & Vivian Vance was on The Lucy Show My 3 Sons was not far from where The Lucy Show was being produced. Wm. Frawley would go out of his way to go to TLS set and play pranks on Vivian Vance... Besides the comment overheard by Frawley by Vance he even became more angry when ILL ended the 2 were offered a new series: The Letters. Vance refused but Frawley did NOT. The new series idea was cancelled & Vance's refusal made his feelings towards Vance stronger...

Born in 1887. Crazy.

On Mental Health: Ck out The Mural Arts Project fighting Stigma .One I've project on display at the 4th hi terminal of JFK. Thanks Vivian!

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

"One I've project on display at the 4th hi terminal of JFK." That sentence makes NO sense!! Please explain what you mean so that WE understand it. After you do that, them please explain how Vivian was connected to that particular mural.

Along with Raymond Bailey and Charles Lane, William Frawley is one of my favorite American actors.

I think Vivian Vance was angry about her contract stipulations and took it out on William Frawley on the first day of shooting. Her stipulations called for her to be deliberately unflattering to herself. She had to maintain a weight heavier than Lucille Ball's. On top of that they stuck her in a marriage with a man 22 years her senior So on the first day of shooting she blurted out: "Nobody is going to believe I'm married to that old coot!" Of course it hurt Frawley's feelings and he never forgave her. It's a shame the two of them couldn't put that stuff aside and at least be civil to one another. The Fred and Ethel characters added a lot of enjoyment to the show. Had the show been just Lucy and Ricky I doubt CBS would would have invited them back for a second season.

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

I think both Vivian and William Frawley had problems. But were fabulous on the show. Vivian's irritability about Frawley's age was weird in that she was hired last. Why take the role if you are going to bitch about your co-star and make such a nasty statement about him right off the bat . Also, Vivian was supposed to play his wife and the Mertz's were to supposed to be less classy than the Riccardo's. So yes, Vivian was not to look so much younger according to her role as his wife, I heard she bitched about some stipulations about her dressing etc. Again, why take the role? The appearance of both as an older couple worked very well and made the total presentation great. So Vivian was not "stuck in the role" - she took it, nobody forced her. And if it weren't for I Love Lucy I am sure we would not even know the name Vivian Vance. (Actually I think underneath she carried some what of a victim personna due to her traumatic upbringing.)

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't in her contract that she had to maintain a weight heavier to Lucille Ball's. I'm not saying Lucille wasn't threatened by Vivian's attractiveness, but how she looked wasn't in her CONTRACT. In fact, once Ball saw that Vivian was no threat, Ethel's character was allowed to be less frumpy, to dress better, to look more her age, and to be more glamorous. By that time, the viewing audience had accepted Fred & Ethel as a couple so that aspect didn't need to be made believable by Vivian's unflattering makeup, homely costumes, & a bad perm & old lady haircut.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Vivian didn't "take it out" on Frawley. Frawley had a reputation for being belligerent with co-stars! He was even fired from a project for threatening, then punching, the star. Frawley overheard Vivian complain once about having to appear dowdy as Ethel so people would believe she was married to an old coot & he held a grudge about that for the rest of his life.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks Wrong Lucy was very insecure about other actresses around Desi. She had the gall to be bossy even rude around Elizabeth Taylor. Twice Lucy made disparaging remarks comparing Ethel to Marilyn Monroe, best friends don't do that.

yes i did

Desi Arnaz hired bill to play the part of the neighbor, but William was a very bad drunk, and he told him he can’t come to work drunk. William also had in his contract whenever the Dodgers were in town, he took the day off.

Frawley later played "Bub" on My Three Sons.

As far as the fat jokes about Ethel/Viv I never considered her fat. I've been watching I Love Lucy alot lately. I've seen them all countless times. I still laugh like I did the first time I saw them. To me they feel like old family stories told over and over and still funny as heck. Anyway back to Ethel/Viv's weight. I noticed in the CA episodes other ones when Ethel/Viv had a belt on her waist looked very small. If that is the right word.

As the son of Christian religious fanatics I feel for them.

@DavidStarrUSA

Жыл бұрын

It's like having the choir and the preacher always on hand in your mind. Even when you don't want them to be. I survived Christ Gospel Church. Ha ha 🤷‍♂️

@rhodamackenzie8120

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidStarrUSA Good for you!! I think it's child abuse.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

AND then there are the heathens who run most homes.

I think Vivian is really beautiful. William Fraley was great as Fred,❤

Fred is my kinda guy. All the so called “bad” things mentioned, are good old school traits…

Vivían Vance sounds like she was such an awesome person.

@joeyl.rowland4153

Жыл бұрын

I watched an interview where Lucille Ball said that Vivian Vance was her best friend and the kindest person on the planet

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know that Lucy & Viv went on to co-star in a groundbreaking show (The Lucy Show) until less than a month ago! After watching that show, I became interested in Vivian & her friendship w/ Lucy & the more I learned about her, the more impressed I became!

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

​@@joeyl.rowland4153 I recently heard a clip from a Merv Griffin interview of Lucy & he asked if she'd do another show & she said, "Well, Gale's still around, but my Vivian's gone." Then she paused & gave a loud sigh & asked, "Can we talk about something else?" [ETA: Look for the TCM "The Plot Thickens" 10-part podcast series on Lucille Ball. In the episode, "Twilight", you can hear this right at the very beginning of the ep.]

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@joeyl.rowland4153 Could you please tell me what interview that was & where I can see it? I'm compiling a "Lucille Ball & Vivian Vance" YT playlist & I haven't come across that particular statement yet.

@joeyl.rowland4153

Жыл бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks I will look for it. Have you seen the interview of Vivian Vance and Lucille Ball on JoyCollector on KZread. They hadn't seen each other in over a year in 1975.

"Her mother accused her(Vance) of pursuing a career that would tempt men into commiting sinful acts." OMG - as if men have no control over their behavior. What a sick culture we inherited. Religious nonsense soaked into the fabric of our society. How sad.

@meman6964

Ай бұрын

Muslim culture still holds this view, it's always the woman's fault, "men just can't help themselves" 🤮🤢

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

Wrong, the fabric of today's society is soaked with depravity filth. We need to get back to Godliness. Then the streets will be safe to walk.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

Not all but most men really do think only one way, hot, and women set the thermostat. Dress respectfully and talk that way too, not fully covered just not skin tight clothing, not filthy language.

I think every single person that has ever watched 'I love Lucy' has known for years that Vance and Frawly hated each other! Am I so glad my parents were non religious! Frawly liked a drink but didn't ever turn up drunk on the I love Lucy set. Anyway I loved both their characters

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

I always called them The Fabulous Four.

@bgueberdenteich5206

Жыл бұрын

Now religion comes into play ?

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@bgueberdenteich5206 everyone in show business of course bashes religion but look what a bunch of pigs show business people are, all drunks, into drugs, money oriented their kids end up drug addicts hating their parents, everyone in show business is fake, they worship money and fame. they are not nice people.

I don't think it was his age she didn't like it was his ways that was old 😏

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

No, it was that she was a trim, pretty, 42-year-old who was made to look frumpy (old lady haircut & bad perm, unflattering clothing & make-up) so people would believe she'd be married to a fat, bald, grumpy man 22 years older than she was, who constantly insulted her. She had to be dressed down & made to look older because she was supposed to be married to a man old enough to be her father!

How was this tragic?

Even as a child watching reruns of these show I knew that the mertz’s shouldn’t have been played by these two people. I could tell that she was a lot younger than he was. I liked the show.

Viv had mental and emotionalstruggles before the show due t her abusive mother her mother as abusive you sugrcoated it she once locked vivian up in the house t keep her from going to realize her dreams and vivian went out the bedroom window

@mainecoon6514

Жыл бұрын

Viv was also physically abused by all her husbands. She deserved so much better!

@harperstacey9604

Жыл бұрын

@@mainecoon6514 that's too bad. From Ms. Harper Stacey.

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I remembered reading that Vivian grew up depressed because of her parents (particularly her mother) and at one point had a breakdown and was hospitalized. Glad she got away from this oppressive environment. However, she was married 4x and the longest relationship, her last husband, I think was gay. I loved I Love Lucy (still do) and referred to the cast as the Fabulous Four. Amazing that they all had major trauma in their backgrounds. However they gave us all a gift, laughter, which was felt the world over.

@cosmos34

Жыл бұрын

​@@harperstacey9604 ​ Not much is known about Vivian's first two marriages (to Joseph Shearer Danneck and George Koch). Danneck died a couple of years after the marriage ended -- he was killed in a shoot out with a business partner in Detroit. Vivian told her sisters to not discuss the marriages and presented Phil Ober as her "first" husband. Ober was also the abusive husband. Vivian often came to work with bruises from his beatings, according to makeup artist Hal King. He was very possessive and tried to sabotage Vivian's friendships. When they met, both Phil and Vivian were married to other people, and their liaison became gossip fodder in New York (this was around 1940). Vivian's last husband, literary agent John Dodds, was rather openly gay but not abusive.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmos34 She was apparently happy with Dodds. They stayed married until her death, just as Lucy & Gary Morton stayed married until Lucy's death.

everyone talked so loud, who speaks so loud to one another in a room?

@jayson657

Ай бұрын

This was still the early days of TV when the show debuted in 1951. They performed, broadcast and recoded in front of a live studio audience back then. Television film and sound equipment and techniques were still in their infancy.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@jayson657 BUT the other early tv shows were not with the actors yelling to one another i was a young child but i remember them. Yes this show was funny of course but too much yelling and too much canned laughter turned on and off instantly.

@jayson657

14 күн бұрын

@@marilynwillett804 they didn’t use canned laughter on I Love Lucy it was in front of a live audience

Are u proud

ARE YOU DRUNK

Yes I know she said he was a drunk and a mean man and I'm sure her demeanor toward him was not the world's greatest. That is very old news

🎉 my name is John bristow❤

I have read that this "phenomenon" as being overrated = Frawley was very helpful to Viv while they were filming. Makes good copy. Like Davis and Crawford: they were far too professional to let that *crap* that interfere with their performances, and boy, did it show

@kevinsmith5288

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, people would rather hear dirt, rather then hear positive things about stars.

@scotnick59

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinsmith5288 Of course.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinsmith5288 Except this is true. When Desi offered Vance & Frawley a spin-off series of their own, Vivian refused, despite being offered a whopping $50,000 bonus! She refused to work with Frawley again.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

In what way was Frawley "helpful" to Viv? Viv was going to a therapist EVERY MORNING before going to work just to deal with Frawley's abuse. Frawley did his lines & then would disappear to go listen to baseball games or horse races or whatever. He didn't even read the script except for his scenes.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Even Lucie Arnaz, who said he seemed like a nice guy, said she only met him once or twice & that he would disappear from the set. VIVIAN was at the Arnaz home all the time, staying there off and on. Lucie talks about Vivian reading her stories as a child.

Ethel over played it, maybe it was her vaudeville age? before my time.

I still love William Frawley. Even with all his "faults."

Ethel was way too hot for Fred. Ew.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Even w/ them putting her in dowdy clothes & make-up & giving her an old lady haircut & bad perm, all to make her look older & less attractive, I STILL never understood why she was married to Fred!

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

@@DonnaBrooks he owned the apt building and she couldn't get anyone else to support her? who knows it makes no sense.

This is so sad but it really seemed like Fred in his real life was an old crank. Prejudiced beyond belief, talking down to women anti semitic yet William Frawley worked with a person of color who was Williams boss to ! It's no wonder William was so unlikable he seemed so miserable in his life and with himself. RIP William Frawley 🙏🏼💕

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

who cares

@paulatristan8189

14 күн бұрын

@marilynwillett804 + I care Marilyn. I didn't ask for your opinion, you chose to bring it so you get what you deserve. Marilyn you're an old crank with a very bad attitude. I can tell by your comments on your page. Horrible🤦‍♀️

Interesting. Thank you. From my experience everyone I know in their 60’s plus couldn’t stand Ricky. I hated his singing along with others. Use to close our ears to get through his horrible voice. We all agree “The Lucy Show”. was much better. Pretty sure only you brought RACE into it.

@laurab5750

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a racist problem to me. No one I know had a problem with him.

@TheRrxing

Жыл бұрын

@@laurab5750 not racist I’m Russian and Cuban. Horrible voice in my opinion. Everything isn’t about race!!!!!!

@laurab5750

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRrxing Considering he toured as a SINGER, I'm pretty sure your dislike has roots in something other than his singing.

@TheRrxing

Жыл бұрын

@@laurab5750 no. Sorry it’s just my preference for what I find pleasing to listen to. That’s all. It’s not just me re: my comment. Please don’t make this more than a taste in vocals.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

I'm 61 & I think his voice is fine. I also never remember my parents complaining about his voice! Not everything is about race, but you are making it about AGE! What difference does it make whether people are over 60? (For the record, I thought that Indian duet he sang was especially beautiful.)

When William Farley died Vivian opened a bottle of champagne and toasted to his death.

I droped a 20 bomb on cod

Those fight scenes were good cause it was real. He was a racist, misogynistic drunk from the sounds of it. He was my least favorite character on I Love Lucy. They got the gut from OZ to play him that's hilarious 🤣😅.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

The gut? What does that mean?

Grew up decades apart? They were only about 12 years in age difference.

@LJ-ht4zs

Жыл бұрын

22 years difference in age, however, the they worked well as a couple - the show was a great hit at the time and was known all over the world.

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

You need to get off YT & take a class in basic math! He was 64; she was 42. 64-42= 22 He was 22 years older, so yes, that's over 2 decades. He was old enough to be her father.

"Satan's money". OMG! I'm so glad I left religion for a life of rational thinking.

I never liked Fred or Ricky. They both belittled the women on the show, when in reality, the women could do sooo much better.

@Cinnam0nr0ll

29 күн бұрын

What are you talking about Lucy always made fun of Ricky's accent.

Everyone needs salvation here are the words of salvation please forgive me jesus im a sinner come into my heart and save me from my sin I no that you are the savior and I no that you died for me on calvary and I no that God raise you from the dead and you are alive and I thankyou for your salvation in Jesus holy name amen and its important to always ask for forgiveness every night 🌙 💜

@cynthiarosas8214

Жыл бұрын

Please give these words of salvation to someone cuz God wants everyone to go to heaven and just want to say that asking Jesus into my heart was the best decision I ever made and put your faith on jesus cuz jesus is the son of God and Jesus is our savior and Jesus is perfect

@DonnaBrooks

Жыл бұрын

Hi Cynthia. It's, "I KNOW," not, "I no." Look up both words in the dictionary (there are several dictionaries online) so you can remember the difference. It's BASIC English.

@marilynwillett804

14 күн бұрын

Which none of those actors knew about, ALL LIVED FOR FAME AND GLORY NOBODY WAS HUMBLE. HOLLYWOOD IS HELL.

William Frawley wasn't a nice person,, so goes the weasel ............