Another great installment of this series, thanks guys for this interesting bit of Winchester cutlery history.

I am just learning about Queen Cutlery, I have always been a Buck Knife man but now many of them are made in China, I think Queen makes very fine knives. Thanks so much.

Tim Scott of Blue Grass Cutlery Company has the original Rogers Jigging machine from Utica Cutlery and the original dies and shoes from those early 1920's Winchester patterns. What you might not know is that Bill Howard of GEC was the production manager that oversaw the production of those Black Box Winchester knives and this is most likely the beginning idea when Bill Howard developed the conception of GEC.

@howabouthetruth2157

2 жыл бұрын

Umm.........I did mention the fact that Bill Howard was the #1 man at Queen during the Black Box Winchester program. Did you not watch the video? Tim Scott may have all of that equipment TODAY......but back when these authorized reproductions were first started, it was the brain child of Charlie Dorton, who was at the time, 1 of 2 co-owners of Blue Grass Cutlery. Also, back when all of this was going on, it was the OLIN corporation who owned all of the tooling & dies that made the original Winchester knives. Charlie & his partner at Blue Grass contracted with the Olin Corp for permission to use the original tooling & dies, with Bill Howard at Queen actually producing the knives. It's all mentioned right here in this video. In a later video in this series, I went into more detail about how the Black Box Winchester program along with the Case Classics program that started soon after the beginning of the BBW program, wherein both programs proceeded to run concurrently, were indeed directly responsible for Bill Howard gaining the firsthand knowledge, experience, and talent for making many of the long lost patterns.

Browsing through Mike Lathams web site the other night and saw this Winchester, then I remembered seeing it before on this video Rob. The money set aside for a new skinner this week was used to snap up this darling from Mike( got about 4 good skinners already). I would probably have past this knife by if it had not been for your informative video and thanks to Howsaboutthetruth for all the info. I shoot a couple of miles outside the original old town of Winchester in Hampshire and a few of my buddys have Winchester shotguns,wait till they see the mad Jocks new knife aquisition. God bless All.

@TheApostleP

9 жыл бұрын

Laurie Campbell Can't wait to see it, Laurie!

@chiclown5475

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheApostleP hey my friend I NEED UR HELP!! I found one o these with the shield n all. But UNLIKE the one in this video mine only has 2 blades and the steel has gotten this cool bluish patina on it! BUT it doesent say winchester on the bottom of the blade it says and I quote "" POWR KRAFT USA"" and on the other side it says 84-28 !!! Please help me lol I'm going KRAZY!! TRING TO FIND OUT THE HISTORY OF THIS BLADE!! Other then that mine looks identical to the one on ur video!! Please help

I very well suppose; I had not heard about the firearm branded knives before the Chinese invasion. Nice to know there is a reason for it. Thanks for sharing. That knife is SWEEET!! The Word is Sharp!!!

Yep, Randy, you do indeed have the "real deal"........way to go!!! I never knew anything about the difference of "who made what" with these Winchester repro's, until I began researching. Since then, I've seen some of those German made Winchester's online. Some looked OK to me...........but others had horrible gaps in all the seams. I also have one of these whittlers, but mine is the 3971 model. It has the same old Utica brown bone as this sowbelly. Thanks for all your input Randy, and Blessings to you as well my friend.

Just like my Dad has carried for over 50 years ......

I'm late for class! Thanks Rob, you really deliver buddy. ( Ya know, I was really worried about the length of the info I wrote, and I was trying to keep it as short as possible, I even had my son & daughter in law proof read it, and I asked 'em "Is Brother Rob's eye ball's gonna fall out from reading this "encyclopedia"?? LOL. They love the little comedy bit we volley back & forth.) After I sent ya this shipment, only then did I stumble upon an article written by Buzz Parker. ( Jim's son ) According to him, Charlie Dorton bought up all the jigged bone blanks from the old Utica Cutlery factory, not long before they began producing these Winchesters. This "old genuine Utica bone" was dated anywhere from 1910 to 1937 I believe, and they used it all up on these Winchesters made from the start in 1987 through 1989. So if Buzz is correct, these knives are handled in bone that's at least 77 to 104 years old. How cool is THAT? Like you, I've never seen any jigging like that. There is also some variation in the jigging of that antique Utica bone, from knife to knife, within this Winchester series.

@christopherskipp1525

3 жыл бұрын

Do you happen to know where these knives are still available at?

Awesome :-0

What a cool knife! One thing I (think I) picked up on is once you break that strong detent when the blade is open, it closes rather easily. And with no half stop that is something to watch out for.

@TheApostleP

10 жыл бұрын

05generic You are correct, my friend! You don't want those gator jaws snapping shut on your finger!

Enjoyed the video brother and that is a nice knife.I have a winchester modle 3908 it has the trade mark on all 3 blades and the modle # just on the main blade. And it has usa made on all 3 blades but not sure who made the knife for Winchester.Mine is the Whittler pattern which is 1 of my favorite.Hope you and all have the blessings of the Lord upon you Randy.

@TheApostleP

10 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you got a real one, Randy! I'd love to see that knife!

I finally got my 89 sowbelly knife in just a couple days ago. I guess like anything, there are good and not so good, and sadly, mine is not so good. The main blade is a strong snap opening, but lazy on closing, the other 2 blades are somewhat lazy in both directions, and have a week closing snap. There is also a gap in the brass line on one side. Despite a through cleaning and oiling, it remains the same. Beautiful knife, but after seeing the flaws, it's a little disappointing.

Where are they still available at?

@howabouthetruth2157

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your question Christopher, and I hope ya get my belated response here. These knives are only available through ebay for the most part. They turn up here & there, and prices still remain reasonable. Politely request a pre-inspection from any seller, because some of the knives being sold today may have flaws. Most don't, but some do.

@christopherskipp1525

2 жыл бұрын

@@howabouthetruth2157 Thank you for your feedback.

@howabouthetruth2157

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherskipp1525 You're very welcome Christopher.

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Brother if it would be ok with you i would like to send some of my knives to you and let you check them out.Tried to answer Howabouthetruth email he sent me and it did not go through. Just wanted him to know i thank him and you and all my brothers all have the blessings of the Lord upon them Randy.

@TheApostleP

10 жыл бұрын

Randy Parker That would be great, Randy! I'd love to see some of your blades, and maybe do a video or two. You can use the PO box of the sharpening service. Thanks, brother!