This comment section is turning into a great source for different bowyer types. Please add any bowyers that you like and say what their focus is ex) Livewhatyoulove outdoors - selfbows

Another great example and probably the best for step by step bow building is Weylin Olive of Swiftwood bows here on KZread. I’ve seen most of his videos, met him in person several times and seen his work and the way he willingly helps all those around him…check him out if you haven’t seen him

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

I knew I was forgetting some people! Thanks for adding him!

Interesting video, besides Clay and hunt primitive, that I like a lot, I'm enjoing Organic archery, seems a good guy.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Good deal!

@bastionheadwoodworks

Ай бұрын

I second Organic Archery. Correy Hawk knows his craft.

Good info. Do you have links to the other bowyers you like? They probably will appreciate the plug, and maybe they'll plug you back!🎉

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

I used their channel names in the video, so you can search any of the mentioned names in KZread and find their channels very easily.

Kramer Amons from Shatterproof makes some nice bows. I have two of them. Great video

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Yeah those laminated ones he sells sure are pretty!

I really like the diagrams and other visual examples!!

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad to hear it

You got to box🥊 all those fake outdoor guys

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Lol this was meant to be informative bro. But hell, that could be fun.

@philipirockz92

Ай бұрын

@@LWYLoutdoors yo KC you need to box those fakers up show them how we do

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@philipirockz92 lol I’m not that kind of KZreadr man. Just trying to educate and get people to enjoy life more!

Stiliyan Stefanov is the best but he makes horn composites, RowanBows, Meadowlark Adventure Gear makes bows, e.g. from ipe and osage bamboo. Selfbows Thuringia, del cat, ZWE makes horn bows, JWB also makes horn bows

@jackobmazurkewicz

Ай бұрын

I'm a beginner and I only have a Facebook page, recently I made my first Turkish horn bow, it's not perfect, but it shoots

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Great! Thanks for sharing!

Great information 👍😁keep up your great work sir 🫵💪🤩 God Bless Y’all 🙏😇❤️🇺🇸

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Thanks man! I’ll try

I was wondering if those videos were true. I remember watching several of those “survival experts”, wondering if fire hardening a green stave would last for months on end at the same draw weight.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

It can for sure get you a decent product

You tube is a great tool.... Unfortunately, it also turns idiots into experts. Just ask them.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Haha agreed

I think my first choice would be Sam Harper of ''Poor Folk's Bows'' and the mouse trap crazy Shawn Woods and Billy Berger at Primitive Pathway's. These guys are not full of crap. I didn't pay much attention to Ryan Gill,.....till he done the hunting video's with a bow,.....I don't like Blow gun's and Atlatl's,...air guns,.....I do like Bows and gun's. I use an angle grinder to make bows,....that's as primitive as I'd ever want to be,.... cause I'd have chest pain if I tried to use a draw Knife. I also watch Clay Hayes, Mead Longbows and thats all I can think of right now.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

I haven’t heard of most of the guys in the top paragraph. I’ll check them out! Thanks for adding them! Oh, I have seen Mead Longbows! He was great!

I have to ask about your claim that kiln dried wood has more void spaces. I am a professional wood educator, and I have never heard of this. In ring-porous hardwoods, there can be a lot of variation in the volume proportion of earlywood, but this is particular to the tree and has nothing to do with whether or not it is kiln dried. If you split two staves from the same log and then air dry one and kiln dry the other, there will be no visibly discernible difference in the earlywood porosity between the two. I can't speak to what happens when you fire harden greenwood, as the much higher heat could create steam within the wood that ruptures some of the microanatomy.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Thank you, because you helped me learn something. So I assumed all industrial kilns would be operating above 212F which would cause water to expand causing more void space. This was incorrect on my part. Some kilns do, some don’t. So the kilns that operate between 120 and 190F would not cause a different appearance or functionality of the wood. Only the kilns operating above 212F would. So some kilned woods are safe :) thanks much for this comment man!

@bastionheadwoodworks

Ай бұрын

@@LWYLoutdoors That makes more sense to me. I've only seen temps into the mid range of what you mention, probably because the kiln operators I know process only high end hardwoods and don't want to damage their product. I make mostly axe handles, spoons, and bowls, and in my personal experience, anything done to try to accelerate drying will increase the chances of warping and/or cracking.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@bastionheadwoodworks completely agree!

Ask Tenskwatawa what happens when you use a bad bow! Anyhow, my hat is off to all of the traditional tradesmen. Bowyers, smiths, sawyers, carpenters, shipwrights, cobblers, whatever the skill. I enjoy watching it all.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Hahaha I googled him. Apparently in an alcohol involved incident, he took out his own eye with a bow and arrow. That’s insane, but I could definitely see that happening! Love the respect towards tradesmen!

@Old_Sailor85

Ай бұрын

@@LWYLoutdoors The story I read (The Frontiersman, written by Allen W, Eckert) was that his bow broke and came flying back and took out his eye. Makes more sense than shooting yourself with an arrow. In any case, it's a great book and heavily footnoted with references.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@Old_Sailor85 woah! That’s insane! Gotta be able to trust your bows!

Clay Hayes and Provision longbows are the primary guys I will follow along with a couple others. Ammons had a good vision and start but as soon as he started saying "he invented this" or "I came up with this idea" he lost me. Many of his recent bow builds were copies without credit to the originator or that it was someone elses and the new string "he invented" thats been done by many and been around since the 60's that was it for me. There are a few good ones but if you pay attention you can see who is legit and who really isnt..

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Oh thanks for adding Provision Longbows! I forgot! I know what you mean about Ammons, but at the end of the day he is just trying to market his business to feed his family. The string invention was rough though. I’ve seen so many people do the exact same thing. Seemed like click bait. He started out in his garage and has built a pretty awesome business, so he has my respect for that.

@sierraridgereaper

Ай бұрын

@@LWYLoutdoors oh I agree, he has done a great job and dont get me wrong, he seems to be a decent guy and has learned a lot in the last few years going from board bow builds to custom laminated bows. Im just one of those old school guys that needs to see honesty and show credit where credit is due. Like you mentioned in the vid there are a lot of self proclaimers out there that shouldnt be professing expertise when all they did was snag what someone else did and claim to be experts...😉

I wanna see you blow stuff up with that bow like in the dukes of hazard

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Lol I’ll keep it in mind

You can cheat and use solid fiber glass. Less work

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Lol that’s practically blasphemy for selfbow guys man

A survival bow, in a survival situation is exactly as it sounds. It's the bow you need in that instant to hunt or to protect yourself in a survival situation. It's something that is used to fill a NEED at the time, if it's a greenstick bow or a bundle bow and it kills me something to eat or protects me then I don't care if i have to make a bow a day. It's a survival situation, that's the key, it just has to work in the moment to supply the immediate need. You talk about the bow lasting for 8 months! who cares how it's made if it lasts that long in your so-called survival situation!

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Haha you make a good point

@FactsFirst-yo8gc

Ай бұрын

@@LWYLoutdoors I fully agree though, a lot of these "back yard" survival experts don't know what they are talking about, I have been teaching survival for over 30 years now and in different environments. Survival isn't easy! Ive made and taught how to make green stick bows and bundle bows and things that pass as arrows in a pinch. I'm a pretty good archer but in no Universe would I ever call myself a Bowyer. Hats off to that skill youve worked for!

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@FactsFirst-yo8gc wow, what a nice comment! Thank you! 30 years of survival experience! That’s amazing man! Huge respect

These are ur thoughts I'm native and just because u have made some bows u are set in ur thoughts which is fine but do ur homework 75 years after my grandfather made his last bow I shot and killed a white tail with his fire hardened bow , so please watch ur insults I'm 67 years along with my grandfather and my father we buit bows ,both have passed away young I'm not full of shit and u just insulted myself my grandfather and father, and by the way I still have three bows i made over 20 years ago that were fire hardened and still hunt with them,save ur insults

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

I am genuinely confused by your response. I think you misunderstood or perhaps didn’t listen… I’m not saying fire hardening can’t work, which I say in the video. Here is a quote from the video “you can get an amazing product”. I even recommend a channel at the end whose main teachings are on fire hardening (Beckum Outdoors). Your offense makes zero sense. Maybe instead of being hyper sensitive and taking something as a personal assault, open your ears and listen. Presenting factual information -wood porosity increases if you fire harden or speed dry it- should not be taken as a personal offense. Presenting information in a scientific manor is never meant to be insulting. It is only meant to inform. Just to be ultra clear, I do not know you and I surely meant no offense. I hope this clarifies, and helps to subdue any frustration. That wasn’t my intention.

I quit watching after dreamcraft was mentioned lol. Maybe if he gets more than 3 bows at an honest full draw and at least the last few had something other than paracord for a string. Surface finish on the wood is also subpar. Too much hyped up sponsored clickbait, hard pass....

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

Bro that was brutal! I know what you mean from his earlier stuff (it used to frustrate me that none of the bows seemed to be above a 35lb draw), but I think he is better now. I think the creative things he does, even if not very practical, are good for getting more eyes on archery. Though, the paracord for string was painful lol

@primevalforge1145

Ай бұрын

@LiveWhatYouLove23 nah seriously I watched the whole thing and your video is pretty decent. Personally, I just call it as I see it, nobody is perfect but, making a how to book when you're obviously just learning and grasping for views is a sham to the rest. Hopefully, he continues learning like all of us and realizes that this is an art and skill developed over years, not just what gamers want to see. There are many great bowyers I frequently interact with and besides getting others interested, none seem to take him seriously because of the aforementioned. Promoting what he is currently doing is a disservice to those with real talent. You want to learn the secrets, follow someone like Weylin Olive, Santana or Clay Hayes, like you said.. Other than that I actually enjoyed the video and you responding.

@LWYLoutdoors

Ай бұрын

I appreciate that man. This type of video is very different from my normal stuff. I strongly agree with your statement about the gamers lol! I don’t know if you have seen my other videos, but I have quite a few traditional bow making tutorials. Some are dictated and very detailed and others are just chill. Check ‘em out.

@primevalforge1145

Ай бұрын

@LiveWhatYouLove23 definitely will. This is the first of your videos I've seen but, I'll check them out.