I wish there was more of this kind of thing made programming. Actual discussions between people who have differing POV.

It's fabulous! I was standing that evening just outside the gallery space, watching this all unfold.... Another age perhaps.

"I'm the artist here..." Love Tracy Emin

@genzcurmudgeon8037

Жыл бұрын

Roger is a genius writer and also a musician lol.

@ronagoodwell2709

9 ай бұрын

If you have to tell people you're an artist. Guess what? You're not an artist. Like Donald Trump telling us he's rich. And smart.

Oh I miss the old Channel 4

I have never been a fan of TE but being pissed on Channel 4 After Dark with prominent people in The Arts - because for many gathered here, that's where the money is - brings into revealing relief, the fact that all the language and high brow discussion in the world on the subject of Art, is futile. A bit like a group of blind people stumbling into one another in a dark room, unable to find the light switch. Art - See It, Smell It, Taste It. But please - don't talk about it. It will turn you to drink. 🍷

That Roger Scrotum fellow always talked a load of bollocks

"Je suis Tracey." Je suis Tracey walking out and why. Bless you for posting this.

I remember seeing this live…happy times❤

@moonwitch05

9 ай бұрын

I saw this live too...she accused them of being pretentious...and I agreed with her

Would be nice if you could link to a recording of the entire discussion -- because then we might have a sense of what she was objecting to. Is Emin now confronting the same issues as a painter that they were discussing? Awfully hard to track it down.

@IlluminationsMedia

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. We've uploaded the full discussion now and can be watched here kzread.info/dash/bejne/nn98rNGFd5XJdc4.html

@fionagia8488

Жыл бұрын

I think she was just pissed

@AlienPsyTing1

Жыл бұрын

@@fionagia8488 just for a change

I’m with Tracey

Love Tracy she's so real and an artist.

We’ve all been there. 🙂

Muthafuka Muthafuka… look at all those blokes, look at their clothes, listen to their voices… but, hey Tracy, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em… “if you’re not down with art business, then you can’t call yourself an artist”… to paraphrase… I was so shocked when those words came out of her mouth in the back of some limo on her way to some awards ceremony back in 🤷🏽‍♀️ let’s just say back in the day… She’s not fucking wrong… expediency wins the day…

Hi Tracey, apropos art dealers vs. the art making process: Horror Endorsement from a notorious art dealer and her call for exploitation: "One has to be evil, downright evil!" quote Eva Presenhuber; We publish these embarrassing statements because we are not the only ones who have been closely following this worrying development in the art market for some time. Former director of Presenhuber gallery: “She’s the type of person who will finish your sentences for you, she won’t let you finish talking. Is there any clearer proof of hubris? Still, she feels very good about it. Eva Presenhuber is rather a special kind of person. I think the best word to describe her would be sociopath. She has been repeatedly made aware that she treats some artists (who depend on her sales activity) like shit. There's no remorse, she wouldn't even know what you were talking about!" Eva Presenhuber is the Harvey Weinstein of the art world. But male artists don't run to the police, even if a gallery owner maliciously molests them. Eva Presenhuber brutally bullied Hugo Markl. If anyone has information on where to find Hugo Markl, please let us know! Hugo Markl has disappeared, we don't know if he is still alive. The puppet master behind this extermination campaign is Ugo Rondinone. (Ex-husband of Eva Presenhuber) sic! Hugo Markl is definitely one of the most influential artists today. The works of a number of artists are directly or indirectly influenced by Markl's works. One should not look for banal copies of copyists, but for an attitude that made Markl's works irrefutably the foundation of their works of art. Markl's work is uncompromising and addresses the center of issues, and we think that getting rid of Markl's influence, consciously or subconsciously, could be extremely difficult for many artists. His work is powerfull if we like it or not. And at the same time hardly any influence is so fought and controverted (or would it be more honest to say denied) by other artists as the influence of Markl's stand on these days art. The manner in which contemporary artists are exploited can be equated with the most brutal psychological abuse of any other derogatory relationship, certainly one of the bloodiest lines of business there is. Of course, [all] carefully hidden behind the mask of the finest, most human and most sensitive of all motifs, namely art.

Both sides are correct and talking crap.

Yikes . . . . .Oliver Reed level of inebriation. . . . . .

She really didnt ‘storm’ out.

Is she storming out or they show themselves walled in?

That's funny

Tracey Emin is so over-rated. She shows her unmade bed. Brilliant. Painting may well be dead but furniture is dead and buried. Edward Kienholz showed a bed about 60-years ago. People were shocked. Jasper Johns showed a bed on the wall with the quilt spattered with paint. That was 50-years ago. People were shocked. Now Tracey Emin wants to shock everyone because that's what she does, so she drags her unmade bed into a gallery ... and expects everyone to be shocked, and then to applaud her. She summed up her position, "I don't give a fuck." More brilliance. Alcohol helps.

@ronagoodwell2709

9 ай бұрын

@@acsiga3018I don't drink. You should try it.

@ronagoodwell2709

9 ай бұрын

@@acsiga3018Tracey Emin has figured out how to monetize resentment, depression and anger. Someone had to do it. Congratulations are in order.

@user-xi4jw4mh7p

5 ай бұрын

Have a look in the mirror. See where you are in life. With such negative outlook and perception, this is the what you got in life, because of this kind of thinking…. And now look at her today.. she is doing amazing.

@ronagoodwell2709

5 ай бұрын

@@user-xi4jw4mh7p You've been reading too many self-help books. Go clean your room.

@Emmalittlepengelly1690

Ай бұрын

Her painting is very good. Was she nervous and got pissed. Same with a lot of creative sensitive types. She was the youngest and only woman.

The title here says 4 months ago, but I believe this was actually something that happened many years ago. Why present the event in this misleading way when you know what Tracey has gone through and how much she's accomplished. Seems like a low-blow to me.

@Zeneyez

Жыл бұрын

2004

@IlluminationsMedia

Жыл бұрын

Is Painting Dead? was broadcast in 1997. The '4 months' is auto-generated by KZread and refers to when we uploaded the cilp and not when it was orignally shown.

@ImdadulHassan

Жыл бұрын

@@IlluminationsMedia So mention the year in the video title please.

@Mike--Oxmall

Жыл бұрын

That is the upload date not the date it was filmed, all of the videos on here are like this. You've really shown your lack of Internet knowledge here.

@espressogirl68able

9 ай бұрын

It's easy for someone like Tracy to go through a lot, she just makes it all up.

Roger is so classy and ruthless haha. This woman made a fool of herself.

Classy 🙄 Let's show up for a live televised discussion drunk. Unbelievable.

I hate this Tracey Emin, awful trashy attitude, I feel bad for the first speaker. I’m a painter, she’s putting artists to shame. I’m glad they ignored her when she left. She was disrespectful, the world has deteriorated with people like that Tracey

@keihnungm2011

Жыл бұрын

it’s a shame that she was drunk and didn’t express herself well, but i really think she was in the right and was right to leave. men in literal tuxedos

@themovingdance2744

Жыл бұрын

She made it, built an art studio for artists and likely you haven’t made it

@Lucina..

9 ай бұрын

I watched this cold, expecting to be disappointed by her behaviour, but it was instantly apparent to me that none of those men were planning to listen to what she was saying before she decided to leave. I wouldn’t have left. I just would have refused to speak any further and made a strong point of it. That was completely disrespectful, nobody valued her opinion so why was she even there?

@ronagoodwell2709

9 ай бұрын

At one point they were discussing JMW Turner. He was an artist. He painted. Tracey Emin is a train wreck. She can't even make her bed.

@Lucina..

8 ай бұрын

@dootie8285 ok… that’s not really an observation though, just an unsolicited prediction. It serves to prove my point, that none of the people there were prepared to listen because they had their minds made up. Some people clearly consider themselves too “intelligent” to take the time to experience what’s happening around them, and prefer to make assumptions instead.