Congrats Brian/Bryan!

Thanks for the run down on the 5 shot TPM card challenge and the seating depth test step. It sure looks like you're getting a great load for that rifle. I look forward to the tuner episode since I've never tried anything like that. Congrats to Brian/Bryan on winning the challenge. And Cody for an incredible 4 shots. Glad to hear there was a good turn out for this. Take care

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for participating Todd, and thanks for the continued support on the channel. This will be my first experience with a tuner on a centerfire. Plenty of time tuning the rimfires, but I’m expecting this to be similar. Hopefully. 😁

I really enjoyed participating in the contest and look forward to more. Sorry I didn't provide much information with my entry. I will next time. Thanks again.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

No worries! It was cool to see where all the entries were from… all over the US, Canada, Alaska and some folks in Australia got cards but they weren’t returned.

Thanks again for putting on this contest, and appreciate the honorable mention! I have a tuner on my 6mm creedmoor. I was a little hesitant on whether or not it would do anything, but it absolutely does! If I go out and see my load open up a bit, a turn on the tuner will almost always bring it right back in!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Im eager to see what it will do to this rifle. It's already shown great promise, so I'm hoping the tuner is the icing on the cake.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Nice shooting by the way!

@johnknouse8846

Жыл бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc I’ve always heard, a tuner won’t make a bad rifle shoot good, but it will make a good rifle shoot better. And your rifle is definitely a shooter!

Yes, I did pull my fifth shot. Great contest .

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Still impressive shooting!

Another great job, sir! I just finished fire-forming some new alpha brass for my 6.5 Creedmoor. Was listening to this as I was annealing the brass and getting ready to resize. Can’t tell you how excited I am to take what I’ve learned from you and apply it to my rifle.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you’re on the right path. If you don’t mind, let me know how it ends up for ya.

Well I failed to get to the range due to traveling to France for my job! But I’ve got the cards in my safe, ready to use next time you have a contest. Maybe a rimfire challenge to come???😊 Your doing a great job with this series. In depth but simple and easy to follow. Keep up the great work

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

I guess it depends where in France you were but that sounds like a pretty good excuse! 😁. A rimfire challenge would be very interesting indeed. Solid idea

@fbwguy

Жыл бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc I spend most of my time in Bordeaux. But it’s getting old, 16 trips over the last 20 months

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Not a bad spot. I did a little traveling over there in my 20’s. Didn’t care for Paris too much but Normandy and the south is pretty great.

Congratulations Brian! Love this channel!! Keep the great content coming Shawn!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

Nice node from .030-.040" for sure! Good shooting!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks again for the Great Info 💯🎯 You put out there for us 🤙😎

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

No problem 👍

Easy peasy 🤘🏼

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Yup, just like that.

Just finished my first seating depth test. Pretty rad!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

3 ай бұрын

Nice work! How'd it turn out?

Contest? What contest? Dang I misssed! Another great video very valuable information thanks again for sharing!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

🤣 I’ll have another one in a month or two. You’re welcome!

Congrats Brian

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Great shooting by all who entered. Bryan held it together like a champ.

Good shootin men…

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. 👍🏼

Thank you for your time spent doing this. Great info. I have a very similar load like your for my 6mm CM. The 115 with the ring 💍 are very effective on Coues deer 🦌. One shot kills out to 700 yards.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

🤣 I believe it! I’ve yet to find a better bullet for the 6CM. I’m hoping I get a pronghorn tag this year so I can use this load.

@toddb930

Жыл бұрын

Dang, it sounds like I should try this bullet. 😁

Love the videos, keep them coming!!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Haisar, looking forward to starting on your build! Everything is ordered and getting lined up to start. We will be in touch my friend.

Thanks for taking the time to show your process. Really enjoy the videos.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! -Shawn

Great content again! The series is well put together and I am sure a lot of folks will benefit by watching. Separate subject. When you mentioned in a previous video that your Dad was doing some testing on the Amp Press I mentioned to you that I was using NeoLube 2 in my seating operation. Did your Dad try it? What was his results? I don’t have one and at this time out of my budget. Thanks. Keep up the good work!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhhh yes. I've been experimenting with the Neolube on my other calibers and I'm sold. After this I will be converting 100% to using it. My dad does have some seating pressure charts and empirical data that I was planning on using in a dedicated episode. I'm beyond impressed with that stuff, easy to apply evenly, and so smooth. Thanks for the tip!

I notice the labradar is beyond the bipod legs.😉. Good shit, keep ‘em coming!

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Yessir. I’m so used to shooting the big ultra mags with brakes I forgot what it was like to set it up for a little gun. 🤣🤣🤣

Keep an open mind with the tuner testing. Just a few pointers. I would suggest NOT moving the tuner in huge increments. Also, make certain to monitor the temp, baro-pressure, rel.hum. and air density if possible. All of these atmospheric parameters play a huge part in how much and which way to turn the tuner for best group results. Also, pay close attention to the shape of the groups and the position of the groups in relation to each other on the target. I use the EC V2 tuners by Erik Cortina on my rifles. He just recently won the World Match down in South Africa.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, can you shoot me an email??? Shawn@triggeredprecision.com

@jamesnorris2111

Жыл бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc Yes Sir, will do. Wondering what the qualifications are for shooting in your next contest would be ?

@DLN-ix6vf

11 ай бұрын

I replied on another vid. of Shawns about the main difference between the Harrels tuner/brakes and say an EC or similar tuners. The Harrells tuner/brakes sit over the barrel whereas the EC and similar tuners sit on the end of the barrel. This is why you need a full revolution to affect change in the Harrels and only a moderate adjustments on tuners that sit on the end. I have Harrels and supplied Shawn with his and in the past had an EC tuner so I have worked with both. One I haven't had was that big rubber one :) but I prefer the streamlined look of the Harrels plus the 2 port brake. I will admit and did point this out earlier to Shawn he would see little difference in his precision barrels but I hope soon his video will be available on a factory Rem. 700 223 and the Harrels tuner/brake. This is what I have and my best 5 shot groups have been reduced from 5/8" down to 3/8" which is great for us non competitive shooters just looking to get a little more out of our rifles on weekend shoots. This is where a tuner/brake really shines :)

👍🏼🇺🇸

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Gotta be kidding me. I didn't bother sending my card bc I figured it had ZERO chance of winning. My group was in the high 3's (.380) with a .223 gas gun. I thought it would take sub .25"

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

😂 I'm getting email from people every day now saying they wished they sent their card in with the .3xx" - .4xx" group. Nice shooting!

I’ve been reloading for years but have picked up a few great pointers from watching your process. Have you gotten more consistent velocity with expanding the necks with an oil/wax lube then tumbling them clean before seating bullets or expanding with dry lube and seating the bullets without wiping the necks?

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

5 ай бұрын

Great to hear. We can all learn a thing or two from each other. I've noticed lower SD's by leaving some of the dry lube inside the necks. After they're wet tumbled, the brass in the neck is completely raw and clean which seems to gall on the bullet when seating it. The leftover dry lube helps a ton with accuracy as well in my experience. I have a new product I've been testing out for the last few months I will do a video on soon.

You do your seating depth test in a way to wide increments. 10 thau increment in seating depth is simply o much. even 0.5 is widely considered a little too big. did you try to repeat that test in different temperature conditions?

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

I've used smaller increments before but I prefer to span a larger range and not use a ton of ammo. Even with .010" jump, I still get the desired results and a load that far exceeds the accuracy requirement for my games. Some times, rather very rarely, if I don't see a clear pattern like I did with this load, I'll pick the best seating depth and shoot groups in .0025" increments on either side to check for consistency and the best seating depth.

Man I feel a lot better bout my .308 gasser now…it’d shot better just not with me pullin triggers…lol…thanks shawn..

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Your .68” groups was solid!

Seat your bullets out another .003" every 150 rounds or when precision starts to drop off.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I’ll usually re measure the seating distance after every match or every few hundred rounds.

do you complete a seating test first or OCW test first ?

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

2 ай бұрын

OCW first, seating depth to fine tune precision. 😁

question; just got new JC Custom 223 barrel and with my Hornady Comparator I measured 3 223 bullets, Sierra 69gr. Lepua 69gr. and Lepua 77gr. and every bullet has a different CBTO from 1.895 for Sierra , 1.880 Lepua 69 and 1.855 for Lepua 77gr. If all bullets have the same O'Give dia why are the CBTO all different ?

@DLN-ix6vf

11 ай бұрын

Guys I believe I have solved the problem with this 40k variance. The O'Give's are a constant dia. therefore cannot be the problem which brings me to the other end of the bullet. I surmised the bullet bottoms are not 100% perpendicular with the concentricity of the bullet therefore when using the Hornady O.A.L. gauge with an overly rounded almost flat end plunger it hits each bullet at a varying level causing the variances. What I did was file the plunger end down to a small rounded point and recalculated all 3 bullets ( 8 of each) again and now the variance is reduced to 10k+ - . Not bad considering the dia. of the average hair is 3 to 4K. File down the ends of your O.A.L plunger to help reduce these variances and get more accurate readings.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

8 ай бұрын

A lot of it has to do with using the Hornady OAL gauge. There can be a lot of inconsistencies and false readings depending on the throat profile and how much pressure is used to push the bullet forward. Check out Alex Wheeler's method, this has been a very consistent method I recently started using.

I would disagree with the statement that 6 mm creedmoor BR or the others are inherently more accurate than everything else. That's a religious belief not actual fact. I like 6 mm personally because of low recoil and good performance. That just makes it more pleasant to shoot which makes it easier for the user to be accurate with from a shooter perspective. That does not make a 6mm creedmoor inherently more accurate than any other freaking cartridge out there.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

10 ай бұрын

Meh, I think cartridge design has a lot to do with accuracy. Shorter, fatter cartridges like the 6BR family tend to be very easy to load for. I'm not well enough versed in the dynamics of how those shorter powder columns effect the pressure curve, but there is something to it. The powder burn and expansion of gasses is absolutely different in short, fat cartridges vs. the long cigar looking rounds like the 300 RUM. Anyone can go out there with enough time reloading, and a good, solid rifle, and load highly accurate ammo and shoot small groups. I think my point was, in my personal experience, some cartridges that is noticeably easier to do than others. I've seen it more times that I can count, guys doing load development with 6BR's and variants where every group shot across a 4 grain powder spread is under a quarter inch. They pick which velocity they want and that is that. The 300 WSM and 7MM RSAUM are a couple of other examples of this. The 6CM is like this for me. I've had several of them and they all dial in really easily. If the theory that easy to shoot and low recoil makes it easier for the shooter to be accurate, then we should see the best accuracy out of the little 17, 20 and 22 cal rounds.

@Mike-xi4zt

10 ай бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc Hornady necked down the 30 TC to make 6.5 creedmoor then necked that down to make a 6mm creedmoor. The 30 TC stands for Thompson/center. Full-power 308 would stretch Thompson center single-shot frames so T/C wanted a cartridge that approximated 308 win with less pressure. So Hornady in their usual way copied the 300 savage, which was lower pressure, and was close to the 308 win,.and been around 100 years, called it the 30 TC. The 300 savage, 250 Savage, 22-250 savage 6.5 creedmoor, 6mm reeedmore are all based on about the same original case. Just change the neck and shoulder a little. It's not magic. Can the average shooter shoot a small charge of powder and a small bullet better? To quote Obongo Yes, we can. Less recoil, less blast, less disruption caused by the explosion is conducive to better accuracy. No matter what the cartridge. They made the 6 BR by cutting a 308 win case down to 1.5 inch and necking it down. Then some one said if we blow more body taper out and put a 40 degree shoulder on it we can make a limited capacity 1.5 inch 308 hold a little more powder and get another 100-200 fps. So people, not Hornady, gave birth to the 6mm dasher. So what has actually happened is people cut down big cases to make shorter cases for target shooting. Because it doesn't take much power to cut a hole in a piece of paper. And after they did that they increased the capacity of the case that they were shortening up to limit the capacity on. Which is anti logical.. The bottom line is if ballistic coefficient and muzzle velocity are the same you get the same external ballistics no matter what diameter bullet you are shooting and no matter what cartridge case you're shooting the bullet out of. Cartridge case doesn't matter. Cartridge cases aren't magic. There are all kinds of religious beliefs about this or that cartridge repeated from the Bible of believers. There is one point about smaller diameter bullets. The smaller the radius of a rotating object, lowers the moment of force, perpendicular to the direction of rotation. So smaller diameter means less tendency to move outward due to rotational centrifugal force. There are actual physics equations that demonstrate this and I have them in my physics book if you want me quote the equations. So if a bullet is not perfectly balanced smaller-diameter lessens the effect of imbalance. Which can help improve general accuracy loss caused by bullet imperfections. Overall accuracy does improve by shooting smaller diameter bullets. High ballistic coefficient is harder to achieve with small-diameter lightweight bullets. So there are limitations.

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

10 ай бұрын

I getchya, but there's a reason everyone shoots a 6mm PPC / 6mm BR / variant for the short range (100/200/300) yard bench rest stuff, instead of a .223 Rem or even something like a .243 Win. That cartridge has the right combination of case volume, case length, shoulder angle and bullet selection to make it absolutely inherently accurate. This is why it is so popular. Bench rest is the indisputable test bed for accuracy. No other shooting sport can compare. Then we look to current 1,000 yard bench rest records, a lot of those, both past and present were set by 300 WSM and similar designed cartridges, and the short / fat 6MM cartridges. The vast majority of these recent records are these chunky cartridges with a low length to diameter ratio. "Can the average shooter shoot a small charge of powder and a small bullet better? To quote Obongo Yes, we can. Less recoil, less blast, less disruption caused by the explosion is conducive to better accuracy. No matter what the cartridge. " I sort of disagree with this statement for a couple reasons. First off, none of those things have anything to do with the accuracy potential of a specific cartridge. Those are all shooter controlled variables which will be more evident in the heavier recoiling rounds in the hands of new, inexperienced shooters. Also, shooting a braked 25 lb 300WSM from a bench is going to be softer than shooting a 10lb 6mm. So by that theory alone, the 300WSM would lead to more easily attained accuracy, instead of the 6mm shooting the lighter bullet, with less powder, muzzle blast, etc. There are just a ton of variables at play there, some we can control, some we can't. When I talk about inherent accuracy of a cartridge, that is referring to the "natural" accuracy of that specific round. This is solely based on cartridge design and internal ballistics. Case volume, shoulder angle, and powder column all play a role in how the solids (gunpowder kernels) expand as they are ignited and how that pressure is applied to force the bullet out of the barrel. A long cylinder will have a different pressure curve than a short, fat cartridge. This has a massive effect on barrel harmonics which in turn, directly effects accuracy. The term "modern cartridge design" isn't a fallacy. The goal in these designs is to achieve faster, more consistent powder ignition, to contain as much powder burn to the inside of the cartridge as possible, and reduce the amount of unburnt powder. All of these things help with consistency and accuracy. Also, I get your point on the centrifugal forces in relation to bullet diameter. That is absolutely correct and I am familiar with the concept, but here in 2023, with modern CNC turned monolithic bullets, and precision formed jacket bullets, that is less of a concern than it used to be in the past, and not a limiting factor for accuracy. All in all, awesome points. Like I've said hundreds of times before, I truly appreciate and respect people with differing opinions on this stuff, it's how I learn. You definitely opened my eyes to some concepts that I will put some more thought into in the future. Having spirited, yet civilized debates on anything these days is hard to do with how people interact with each other, so I truly appreciate your input and I'm sure the folks reading this do too. I hope to hear from you in other videos! Thanks! Shawn

@Mike-xi4zt

10 ай бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc interesting reply. The powder is burned behind a bullet that is constrained by a steel barrel. The barrel limits what the bullet can do when the powder is being burned. 60,000 PSI behind a bullet is 60,000 PSI whether it comes out of a 6 mm creedmoor, 6mm BR, or 243win. Pie x radius squared is the area of a circle. 6mm bullet has a area of .0464 square inches. 60,000 x .0464 = 2,783 pounds of force exerted on the back of a 6mm bullet while it is constrained by the steel of the barrel. Once the bullet exits the barrel that 2,783 lbs of thrust goes to zero almost instantly. Then the bullet is coasting and gravity is accelerating it 32 ft per second squared towards the Earth. A projectile does not care about powder column length or width or the magic 30° shoulder which was originally done to get more powder in a small case to try to make a small case shoot with higher velocity. Not to perform magic powder burning fairy dust. 2,783 lbs of force is the same no matter how much fairy dust it has on it, or what case it came out of. Anytime a human is pulling a trigger with recoil, blast, explosion, the ability to manage that trigger is influenced by those factors. They say a lie is true if you believe it. The more a lie is repeated the more believable it becomes.

@Mike-xi4zt

10 ай бұрын

@@triggeredprecisionmachinellc modern bullets are pretty precise after they go through your barrel there's a lot of change imparted on to that precision.

What bullet were you using?

@triggeredprecisionmachinellc

Жыл бұрын

The 115 gr DTAC made by Sierra for David Tubb. Link: www.davidtubb.com/dtac115-bare?search=115

@billcarlson852

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I enjoy the videos.