TOTAL CHAOS after New York Earthquake | Control Tower Evacuates + Radio Problems

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  • @VASAviation
    @VASAviation3 ай бұрын

    PART 2 on the New York Earthquake. There's a lot more of audio from JFK, LaGuardia and other nearby airports. More videos to come (only audio and transcript or radar scope) if support is received. These take a really long time to edit, taking audio from different frequencies, merging them up and producing the radar animation. Any support is welcome and really appreciated. PART 1: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4p8w6eqfM3Io6Q.html

  • @ej2953

    @ej2953

    3 ай бұрын

    What was the reason that they had to move to an alternate location? Was the tower damaged or something?

  • @zacker1049

    @zacker1049

    3 ай бұрын

    MOOOOOOREEEEEEEEE

  • @forceinfinity

    @forceinfinity

    3 ай бұрын

    Love what you put up. Good to see everyone staying professional despite the rather unprecedented situation going on at Newark.

  • @nolanwhite1971

    @nolanwhite1971

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@ej2953they didn't know if it was damaged or not. Better safe than sorry.

  • @lawrencethompson465

    @lawrencethompson465

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you these audio transcripts. Appreciate all your efforts and work👍👍

  • @mattfender
    @mattfender3 ай бұрын

    Bet that pilot loved playing ATC for a while 😂

  • @ReaperRowledge

    @ReaperRowledge

    3 ай бұрын

    Luckily he wore his pink frilly knickers that morning!😂🤣

  • @ericlane3256
    @ericlane32563 ай бұрын

    3:00 lmao Spirit Airlines clearing a United heavy for takeoff is just funny. What a weird day for ATC.

  • @Panhead49EL
    @Panhead49EL3 ай бұрын

    This is United 2404 and I'm your dj, Captain Smoooooth, here to play you into the night with only the best smooooth jazz.

  • @GreatCdn59

    @GreatCdn59

    3 ай бұрын

    his passenger messages must be grooooovvvvyyyyy

  • @thebusdrrivertohell

    @thebusdrrivertohell

    3 ай бұрын

    I could feel his voice in my SOUL, son!

  • @eltonalonsopompeu615

    @eltonalonsopompeu615

    3 ай бұрын

    Barry White is still alive and flying for United

  • @nerysghemor5781

    @nerysghemor5781

    3 ай бұрын

    @@eltonalonsopompeu615YEAH! This is what I was going to comment!!!

  • @tehlarsie
    @tehlarsie3 ай бұрын

    This shows the importance of regularly checking and maintaining backup/contingency equipment

  • @amberflokstra88

    @amberflokstra88

    3 ай бұрын

    As a radio operator (not ATC), you can test and maintain backup equipment all you want. There are some malfunctions that you only find while it’s in operation. Mostly environmental problems. Example: I’m a radio dispatcher for an event first aid organization. We had set up a radio network to communicate with our people for an upcoming event. Everything worked perfectly during testing. When the event started two days later, we could barely make out anything our people in the field were saying. Turned out, the transponders the motocross was using, interfered with our radios. Interference like that will only be found while the equipment is in operation. Sometimes a one of two degree deviation of the antenna can mess up communications with units that are more than a couple of yards from your antenna.

  • @jmpmang78

    @jmpmang78

    3 ай бұрын

    It's the same in IT. Say you make backups butt don't test them - when you need them they are screwed. If you have an alternative that gets you to the resolution then you're good :)

  • @tehlarsie

    @tehlarsie

    3 ай бұрын

    @@amberflokstra88 absolutely agree, some environmental factors can always affect performance. In your case that's just unfortunate and rotten luck. In my unit we have multiple backup transmitters and receivers and they are tested weekly, sometimes a particular set may have degraded due to weather conditions (mostly ice build up) or something else like lack of sufficient power. The weekly checks more often than not lead to the discovery of equipment not being 100% in order.

  • @oiseauvert_

    @oiseauvert_

    3 ай бұрын

    @@amberflokstra88 That just sounds like crap coordination w/crap equipment, tbh.

  • @amberflokstra88

    @amberflokstra88

    3 ай бұрын

    @@oiseauvert_ in The Netherlands we have something that’s called “share frequencies.” That means anyone with a radio permit for these share frequencies is free to use them (the permit is called “portofoon mobilofoon tijdelijk” or “handheld and land based radio temporary” which means they have to be renewed yearly in stead of granted for a longer period of time) . As long as they follow the rules and regulations that come with that permit. It’s nearly impossible to be granted dedicated frequencies here. So, it just happened that we chose the same frequency as the motocross organization. And coordinations around this would be awesome, if the organizers understood that frequency and channel are two completely different things. A channel is the name or number you give to a frequency. Ands it’s completely arbitrary. So frequency 143.460mhz can be called channel 1 for us while it’s channel 10 for another organization. And a CTCSS code programmed over the frequency just means your equipment doesn’t react to anyone transmitting on the same frequency without that CTCSS code. But interference would still happen, because you can’t have two transmissions on the same frequency at the exact same time (it makes both transmissions garbled). It has nothing to do with crappy equipment or being a crappy organization. And if you had any experience with radio communications (and its pitfalls) you would have realized that.

  • @6StringPassion.
    @6StringPassion.3 ай бұрын

    I am able to hear VASAviation if anyone in the comment section needs a relay.

  • @icefly_

    @icefly_

    3 ай бұрын

    Please relay to FAA Possible ATC missmanagement: my tax dollars spent on redundant backups were missmanaged. I have a youtube link to VAS when you're ready to copy.

  • @6StringPassion.

    @6StringPassion.

    3 ай бұрын

    @@icefly_ lol

  • @iwaswrongabouteveryhthing

    @iwaswrongabouteveryhthing

    3 ай бұрын

    are you ready to copy the link?

  • @maxshep2829

    @maxshep2829

    3 ай бұрын

    Possible KZread deviation, i have a number for him to copy when ready 😂

  • @skaterkid901

    @skaterkid901

    3 ай бұрын

    Six Sierra Papa, please advise Victor Alpha Sierra that his effort is much appreciated and the line maintenance crew advise satis. Sierra Kilo Niner Zero One.

  • @trekkie604
    @trekkie6043 ай бұрын

    "uh... I think he went around" 7:00 lol

  • @noahwirth9852
    @noahwirth98523 ай бұрын

    United 2404 has the deepest voice I have ever heard in a captain

  • @NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA

    @NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA

    3 ай бұрын

    Sexy

  • @Rennyteam359
    @Rennyteam3593 ай бұрын

    I was one of two controllers working in the tower at Spitit of St louis airport in Missouri in 1968 when an earthquake struck. Ironically the aircraft taxing did not feel it because their suspension systems absorbed the shaking. Initally it was like a very strong gust of wind had hit the tower but when objects began falling off the consoles and the tower began an violently swaying from side to side I realized it was an earthquake and looked at the other controller and said," Dick I think this is an earthquake" at which point he yelled, "Earthquake!" in a loud voice dropped his microphone and ran for the stairs repeatedly yelling "Earthquake" as he ran down the steps. My only thought was remembering what had happened to the tower in Anchorage Alaska during that quake and realized evacuating might be worse than staying so I grabbed the console and took a wide stance as though I were on a boat in rough seas. The other controller, Richard Rabco, continued to yell all of the way down the steps, no elevator then. The shaking stopped and everything that was loose was now on the floor. I leaned out the tower fire escape hatch a told Richard it was over. He would not comeback up and did not until he was told the tower was structually sound. Don't remember what the number scale was but it was quite a ride!

  • @xplayman
    @xplayman3 ай бұрын

    It sounds like the alternate site could not be heard by aircraft whose COM antennas were not tall enough when they were in position. Because a United in position couldn't hear and the Spirit had to relay. Then once the Spirit was in position they could not hear and that had to be relayed to them by the United Heavy. However, the United Heavy (likely something like a 787) could hear when they were in position. What a mess.

  • @rhkennerly

    @rhkennerly

    3 ай бұрын

    Generally, commercial jest fly so high that comm ants work better on the bottom. No idea why the alt tower setup looked like.

  • @heikojakob6491

    @heikojakob6491

    3 ай бұрын

    I wonder why they don't do evacuation drills. Otherwise they would have known about the radio issue and it would have been fixed and they also would be aware how long it takes to move to the alt location.

  • @lightoff6

    @lightoff6

    3 ай бұрын

    It's very common, perhaps universal, that US FAA ATC towers have a contingency plan to evacuate the tower to an alternate location on the airport and attempt to continue providing service using an extremely cumbersome, battery-operated radio that amounts to a handheld. The first time I heard this, I could not believe that anyone was serious about the idea. It's complete hero fantasy. Then I found out that almost ALL towers in the US have this same plan! No one is checking whether these sites have adequate reception using that radio. All it serves to do is introduce confusion and create chaos during the already EXTREMELY chaotic situation when a tower needs to be evacuated. Utterly absurd thinking on the part of FAA management.

  • @heikojakob6491

    @heikojakob6491

    3 ай бұрын

    @@lightoff6 There's nothing wrong with a contingency plan itself. The problem is when you have a contingency plan, but never do drills to find out if it really works.

  • @bunglejoy3645

    @bunglejoy3645

    3 ай бұрын

    Id thought communication and crisis protocols would have been renewed after 9/11 ​@lightoff6

  • @57Jimmy
    @57Jimmy3 ай бұрын

    Holy CRAP! When the sh-t hits the fan, those airline pilots roll up their sleeves and GET DOWN to doin what they do! Absolutely amazing!🛫🛫🛫👍

  • @davestfx8249
    @davestfx82493 ай бұрын

    Rare movement.... A united a/c doing a medevac... inbound from msy Likely a organ delivery. If so it would be given a very very high priority.

  • @CaptainRon1913
    @CaptainRon19133 ай бұрын

    California pilots are like "4.8 whats the big deal? Lets go"

  • @pjhaebe

    @pjhaebe

    3 ай бұрын

    Exactly. I didn’t even get out of bed 🛌 bless it was at least a 6. After growing up there I grew to get a feel for what it was gonna be.

  • @az.................

    @az.................

    3 ай бұрын

    There were in fact M4.2 and M4.4 quakes, followed by five aftershocks in Northern California on Thursday.

  • @rebelfighter5249

    @rebelfighter5249

    3 ай бұрын

    Sounds like Cascadia's getting ready to snap with that EQ swarm that hit NorCal. So I wouldn't be mocking this too much.

  • @sarahlynn7894

    @sarahlynn7894

    3 ай бұрын

    I was in the 1989 Loma prieta 7.1 earthquake. 4.8? No sweat! 😆

  • @toddw6716

    @toddw6716

    3 ай бұрын

    They use portable radios that don’t have the power and the antenna. It’s always a show

  • @aland7236
    @aland72363 ай бұрын

    A situation like this really stresses the importance of a warm site ready for immediate use. As an IT Systems Administrator I am very happy to see the quick changeover being performed and would love for my manglement to appreciate the concept as well.

  • @christopherbernhardt

    @christopherbernhardt

    3 ай бұрын

    Lol manglement

  • @57Jimmy

    @57Jimmy

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s the coolest way to describe miss-management I’ve ever heard!🤣👍🇨🇦

  • @LadyLithias

    @LadyLithias

    3 ай бұрын

    @@christopherbernhardt Not sure if that was a typo or deliberate. I think that it's actually funnier if it's one of those freudian typos

  • @aland7236

    @aland7236

    3 ай бұрын

    @@LadyLithias lol. Nah manglement is part of my everyday vernacular.

  • @LadyLithias

    @LadyLithias

    3 ай бұрын

    @@aland7236 Kudos to you, it's GREAT

  • @AdriaStaley
    @AdriaStaley3 ай бұрын

    Great teamwork with relays! For those who don't know why this 4.8 is such a big deal, it is because East Coast quakes can cause more pronounced shaking than quakes on the West Coast due to underlying rock being much much older, harder and more dense with less faulting to absorb energy. Energy is transmitted MUCH better through the old east coast rock. These quakes are felt at greater distances as well.

  • @jhsevs

    @jhsevs

    3 ай бұрын

    And the buildings are made of plasterboard, drywall and with glass fiber insulation.

  • @fhuber7507
    @fhuber75073 ай бұрын

    A bit of a learning experience is involved. They need to work on the backup tower systems.

  • @beenaplumber8379
    @beenaplumber83793 ай бұрын

    Three videos in one day - very impressive, and thank you! I could just watch this story on the news, but this really tells the story.

  • @aronchas
    @aronchas3 ай бұрын

    1:14 "Barry white enters the chatroom"🧔🏿‍♀️

  • @sarahlynn7894

    @sarahlynn7894

    3 ай бұрын

    😆😂🤣

  • @gregergreg

    @gregergreg

    3 ай бұрын

    Or buffalo bill

  • @johnhenderson9332
    @johnhenderson93323 ай бұрын

    Kudos to all a job well done

  • @icefly_

    @icefly_

    3 ай бұрын

    Except the FAA management for not having run a test of backup site. Some manageer really flubbed on the promise to the taxpayer to have redundant backup sites.

  • @GitzenShiggles
    @GitzenShiggles3 ай бұрын

    I'm from California so I basically stir my tea with any quake under 5.0

  • @matthewrammig

    @matthewrammig

    3 ай бұрын

    Seriously you probably don’t even stop doing dishes😅

  • @bspvdj

    @bspvdj

    3 ай бұрын

    Please, here in Chile we sleep through it

  • @zeitgeistx5239

    @zeitgeistx5239

    3 ай бұрын

    Imagine those pencil skyscraper billionaire towers in NYC that sway so much in the wind that the building makes creaking sounds. It must have been horrifying to be up in there.

  • @RT-qd8yl

    @RT-qd8yl

    3 ай бұрын

    My Shiba Inu doesn't get concerned till it hits M7.0/5+.

  • @RT-qd8yl

    @RT-qd8yl

    3 ай бұрын

    My Shiba Inu doesn't get concerned till it hits M7.0/5+.

  • @travgames0113
    @travgames01133 ай бұрын

    Wow you're quick!

  • @VASAviation

    @VASAviation

    3 ай бұрын

    Another video was released 2 hours after the incident. Go check that out if you haven't yet.

  • @SFNightOwl
    @SFNightOwl3 ай бұрын

    Wow, bravo. So many professionals hacking away at and overcoming problems arising from a completely surprising situation. It's hearing moments like this that reinforce my feeling of safety as an air passenger. Thank you VAS.

  • @easternpa2
    @easternpa23 ай бұрын

    I was listening to the Port Authority Police scanner on 9/11, and it went dead when the second plane hit the towers. The radio traffic was much like this for a minute while they switched over to the backup transmitters.

  • @kevinfinkel5536
    @kevinfinkel55363 ай бұрын

    If that earthquake happened out here in SoCal, I'd doubt anyone would’ve noticed. 😅

  • @aarondoty2210

    @aarondoty2210

    3 ай бұрын

    Yep, they would have kept rolling as just another day. And if tower went off line, pilots would have just started treated the field as uncontrolled airport ops. and calling our their own positions.

  • @penguin44ca

    @penguin44ca

    3 ай бұрын

    I've been in a 5 here in Toronto Ontario back in 2010 Odd feeling for sure. We all just went cool, and went back to work.

  • @onealpd

    @onealpd

    3 ай бұрын

    Everyday event in Cali.

  • @emmettturner9452

    @emmettturner9452

    3 ай бұрын

    Your shi’z built for it.

  • @mellocello187

    @mellocello187

    3 ай бұрын

    Right, and 3 days of rain anywhere else would not be headline news either.

  • @6stringstrat520
    @6stringstrat5203 ай бұрын

    Not sure how id feel about a relayed T/O clearance. Remember that game in school where the first person would whisper a message, and it would keep going until the last person said a completely bastardized version of the original message. Lots of room for error there.

  • @ChicagoMel23

    @ChicagoMel23

    3 ай бұрын

    Chinese telephone

  • @mikemarshall9470

    @mikemarshall9470

    3 ай бұрын

    When tower is down they become a big uncontrolled airport. Happened at Midway during covid. Everyone departed uncontrolled.

  • @ifirekirby7498

    @ifirekirby7498

    3 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@mikemarshall9470But that’s uncontrolled where everyone is watching out for themselves by default, whereas this is still “controlled.” I’m not a pilot or controller, but can definitely see how this would make people uncomfortable or hesitant.

  • @chrisharkins6929

    @chrisharkins6929

    3 ай бұрын

    Remember that the originating station can hear what is being transmitted and will very quicky advise of an error in relay - Its actually not that hard when you are in the environment as you quickly adapt. At mega thousands of bucks a minute, movement of any kind is better than waiting around

  • @653j521

    @653j521

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ChicagoMel23 It used to just be called Telephone.

  • @frenchchicken2799
    @frenchchicken27993 ай бұрын

    For those who want info. The Earthquake was a 4.8 and the epicenter was located in Tewkbury NJ and Lebanon NJ with an aftershock taking place next to Bedminster NJ.

  • @cleveriv5349
    @cleveriv53493 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this. I know it’s a ton of work. I had a hat tip from twitter/x that it wasn’t a cut and dry experience. Thank you again

  • @alabamacoastie6924
    @alabamacoastie69243 ай бұрын

    Teamwork at its finest!

  • @lennardvanetten9764
    @lennardvanetten97643 ай бұрын

    Not a flawless switchover, but all in all being back within 30 minutes is impressive. Also impressive: the speed at which you put out those videos!

  • @user-yi3yx2fn7g
    @user-yi3yx2fn7g3 ай бұрын

    Teamwork!! Love to see it! 🙂

  • @57Jimmy
    @57Jimmy3 ай бұрын

    I can’t wait for Juan Browne to couple up with this great ATC coverage by also one of THEE best, VAS Aviation! We all KNOW Juan will be all over it!💕

  • @Garythefireman66
    @Garythefireman663 ай бұрын

    Great job putting all of this together Victor 👍🏻

  • @JaredNaude
    @JaredNaude3 ай бұрын

    Thanks Victor for another awesome video! This really shows a side of ATC that we really get to see. I hope you publish the videos of the other New York Airports!

  • @xaxac85
    @xaxac853 ай бұрын

    damn good professionalism from the flight crews stepping in to relay on behalf of the back up tower.

  • @molivroman9806
    @molivroman98063 ай бұрын

    I love this channel! need more....

  • @chadcasale4216
    @chadcasale42163 ай бұрын

    Once again as always I echo the NY area controllers are the best. They deal with so much traffic (I seem to remember seeing a stat somewhere that 70% of all airborne traffic on a given day passes through NY controlled airspace). They just roll with it and get down to the business of keeping traffic separated. I also wanna give the pilots a bravo as well. Roll with it, relay messages and go go go. Bravo all involved.

  • @oleran4569
    @oleran45693 ай бұрын

    Great work! From VAS, the controllers and air crew!

  • @othername1000
    @othername10003 ай бұрын

    I'm impressed. A controller that didn't leave his post until relieved. Various people stepping up to keep a half dead radio net going. Diversions happening before they became emergencies. Departures departing. This could have gone a lot worse

  • @pomerau
    @pomerau3 ай бұрын

    No room for incompetence on a day like that, and none was shown. Pay everyone more bucks.

  • @icefly_

    @icefly_

    3 ай бұрын

    Money isn't the problem. Managerial competancy and staffing is the issue. HR is too focused on Biden's DEI metrics than making sure there's someone on staff dedicated to maintaining emergency failover equipment. Seems like they never checked this system out.

  • @SlyAceZeta

    @SlyAceZeta

    3 ай бұрын

    Ah, yes, aging equipment and staffing shortages that have plagued this industry for years, it's all Biden's fault. 🙄

  • @amylynncreaney2245
    @amylynncreaney22453 ай бұрын

    As a Master Business Continuity professional I’m glad they had a contingency plan and that someone activated continuity operations after recognizing an earthquake occurred. I hope they will do an after action review to capture lessons learned and improve. From the outside it appears some testing of equipment and possibly additional training may be helpful. Proud of all the ATC professionals who worked through this unusual event.

  • @alaskaaudioguy35
    @alaskaaudioguy35Ай бұрын

    Pretty mild earthquake. In anchorage Alaska in 2018 we had a 7.2 earthquake hit. The tower moved a lot. The charlie airspace became Common Traffic Advisory Frequency. While tower was evacuated.

  • @TheGospelQuartetParadise
    @TheGospelQuartetParadise3 ай бұрын

    Pilots will start saving the CVR to use it to apply for ATC pay.

  • @dirtyvinyl8817
    @dirtyvinyl88173 ай бұрын

    I'm seeing a lot of comments poking fun at New York for their little Earthquake, and while it is interesting to see how the other side of the country deals with what happens to Cali on a regular bases, just a reminder, a 4.8 magnitude in New York does not feel the same as a 4.8 in SoCal due to the different soil composition. Basically, East Coast rocks formed hundreds of millions of years before rocks on the West Coast and thus, had time to cool off and settle. So when an earthquake happens there, it's more like the ground shattering and is felt across greater distances, whereas in Cali, it would feel like a soft rumble in the sand only felt one county away.

  • @buckfaststradler4629
    @buckfaststradler46293 ай бұрын

    4.8 !!! I was in a 6.3 in Japan in 2013 - the hotel swayed and shook for about 3 minutes and nobody was bothered .

  • @Deionburns114
    @Deionburns1143 ай бұрын

    I felt it when i was outside

  • @frontiermusings
    @frontiermusings3 ай бұрын

    Minor earthquake and Newark falls apart. They can learn a few things from Alaska. Earthquakes are frequent. Only the 2019 7.1 quake had the tower evacuate for a short time. Pull that audio.

  • @VASAviation

    @VASAviation

    3 ай бұрын

    You have that audio. Search for it

  • @ChicagoMel23
    @ChicagoMel233 ай бұрын

    I live by a stone quarry here in illinois. Wed need a minute to know if it was a quake or blasting again lol

  • @GregScholfield
    @GregScholfield3 ай бұрын

    It’s pretty interesting to note the differences in how airports handled this situation. There was a little confusion at LaGuardia it seems but nothing that comes close to this gong show.

  • @grayrabbit2211
    @grayrabbit22113 ай бұрын

    Millions of dollars spent...and no one has a $200 handheld VHF?

  • @ssaraccoii
    @ssaraccoii3 ай бұрын

    TWR had to change a tube on the backup. 😂😂

  • @ericdoe2318
    @ericdoe23183 ай бұрын

    Tower is shaken… we’re going to take a quick break…. brb…

  • @kblueleaf
    @kblueleaf3 ай бұрын

    (Do we have any ATC in Taiwan's 7.2M earthquake?)

  • @recoveringsoul755

    @recoveringsoul755

    3 ай бұрын

    I read it was changed to 7.7

  • @kblueleaf

    @kblueleaf

    3 ай бұрын

    @@recoveringsoul755 From Taiwan's official report It is 7.2M_L

  • @recoveringsoul755

    @recoveringsoul755

    3 ай бұрын

    Interesting how they always change or adjust the numbers​@@kblueleaf

  • @SlyAceZeta

    @SlyAceZeta

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@recoveringsoul755 Initial reports only use preliminary data from at most a few monitoring stations. It takes time to fully analyze all of the collected data from every affected monitoring station and make a final assessment on the scale.

  • @toemblem
    @toemblem3 ай бұрын

    Was the tower damaged or was this just a precaution?

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland3 ай бұрын

    Wow just flew out of JFK the day before, with a connection, glad I missed it

  • @theEagleBeagle
    @theEagleBeagle3 ай бұрын

    desperate times, having Spirit clear planes for takeoffs

  • @grayrabbit2211
    @grayrabbit22113 ай бұрын

    Does anyone remember when Anchorage (PANC) got hit with a 7+ in 2019(?). I don't recall TWR/ATC being a major issue or anything like this.

  • @noctusowl
    @noctusowl3 ай бұрын

    Japan ATC: That's a Tuesday for us.

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar21373 ай бұрын

    And later that day there was a magnitude 4.0 one as well!

  • @SkyWatchAviation
    @SkyWatchAviation3 ай бұрын

    This is very interesting didn’t know they evacuated the tower must’ve been a big earthquake spirit clearing the United heavy that’s hilarious

  • @cupcakemcgee3175
    @cupcakemcgee31753 ай бұрын

    This was a little quake imagine a real world situation. This is unbelievable comms. We are freaking screwed if something like 9/11 happens again.

  • @penguin44ca
    @penguin44ca3 ай бұрын

    Omg it was a 4.5 for a few seconds. Evacuation? 😂

  • @GreatCdn59

    @GreatCdn59

    3 ай бұрын

    I can see why, if even a small one was felt. They could have worried it was a foreshock for a bigger one. Also, I don't believe buildings on the east coast are as 'earthquake-proofed' as other areas, so if there was a bigger one coming, it's probably not fun to sit in a big 320-foot concrete tower. lol

  • @Raptor747

    @Raptor747

    3 ай бұрын

    @@GreatCdn59 I don't think foreshocks are a real thing. Certainly not for New York.

  • @PurtyPurple

    @PurtyPurple

    3 ай бұрын

    As a native New Yorker, earthquakes are very very uncommon. Our buildings weren't made with them in mind - as with all things in aviation, better safe than sorry

  • @JimAllen-Persona

    @JimAllen-Persona

    3 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@GreatCdn59I think that’s more of a deciding factor.. riding out a quake on the ground is one thing, sitting in a 320ft tower built by the lowest bidder is another. The epicenter was really close to 78 which runs right by EWR.

  • @jhsevs
    @jhsevs3 ай бұрын

    I have many questions. Is the alternate tower an actual tower, or more like a bomb shelter? If it’s an actual tower, how is evacuating to it going to help? If it’s stronger built than the main tower, why don’t they just use the strongest one normally? And/or why isn’t the main one strongly built then? Isn’t the point of a tower to be able to look out over the airport and runways, for safety? If the other tower is lower, wouldn’t it be less safe, and safety would be more important in a situation like this? If a tower built of concrete and sitting permanently on the ground isn’t able to handle an earthquake, what about the little three legged tin cans with wings sitting on the taxiways holding short? Did the pilots not notice anything? Were they sure the planes didn’t sustain damage? On top of the haywire from the earthquake itself and the closing of runways for sweeping, and all the other airports closing at the same time causing many aircraft to potentially lose too much fuel, the decision was to spend even more time evacuating the tower after the earthquake already finished, and set up a lot of radio gear causing communication problems when the most important (or, only) task of atc is to communicate? I get that there can be afterquakes, but those are smaller than the main earthquake, so the damage would already have been done.

  • @JoshuaCasey

    @JoshuaCasey

    3 ай бұрын

    if you had watched the video they mentioned the "United Ramp" I'm guessing that's where the "alternate tower" is set up

  • @1stb1
    @1stb13 ай бұрын

    the circle is complete. when i left you, i was but the pilot. now i am the ATC.

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc3 ай бұрын

    If there is an earthquake within 300 miles they shut down the airport So, if an earthquake happens all airports close for the day

  • @mensekofti1505
    @mensekofti15053 ай бұрын

    Is it normal to have this issues when switching to alternate tower? I would have thought they would have a much smoother failover plan

  • @jfelipe1987
    @jfelipe19873 ай бұрын

    Just a normal day on Vatsim, wait that's real world? 😛

  • @girlinvt
    @girlinvt3 ай бұрын

    In 1995 New York started to require that all buildings be constructed to modern seismic standards.

  • @Biscuitchris7again
    @Biscuitchris7again3 ай бұрын

    LAX: _... Was that me, or was that you?_

  • @MonteKalafiori
    @MonteKalafiori3 ай бұрын

    EWR TWR will have to do some improvements after this whole story with earthquake.

  • @KiloOneFive
    @KiloOneFive3 ай бұрын

    Is United 2404 in witness protection?

  • @bunglejoy3645
    @bunglejoy36453 ай бұрын

    They needed to divert, communications were impossible in remote tower, after 9/11 i thought a remote airport would be like main tower with everything they needed, they need to use remote tower more so staff get used to it, it could be handy if that tower is near remote runways to have two people in there normally to monitor issues

  • @VASAviation

    @VASAviation

    3 ай бұрын

    You need to change your keyboard

  • @JSFGuy
    @JSFGuy3 ай бұрын

    Just checking, here we go.

  • @uwllradar
    @uwllradar3 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure that it's a good idea to relay t/o clearance. Just imagine if someone crazy started to pass clearances usong his own radiostation

  • @spokev
    @spokev3 ай бұрын

    I grew up with earthquakes in Southern California, I can't imagine New Yorkers' immediate response to one

  • @rebelfighter5249

    @rebelfighter5249

    3 ай бұрын

    Sounds like Cali's turn is coming soon, along with the rest of the Left Coast.

  • @nancychace8619
    @nancychace86193 ай бұрын

    🤯

  • @Litto1
    @Litto13 ай бұрын

    Earthquake happened in Jersey. FYI

  • @danielgates8056
    @danielgates80563 ай бұрын

    Anyone know what the Medivac United callsign is/means?

  • @christopherhjorth6091
    @christopherhjorth60913 ай бұрын

    It was amazing how much faster a well-trained group of criminals was able to set up a backup control center complete with perfect communications from a small church near Dulles in 1990. 😅

  • @recoveringsoul755
    @recoveringsoul7553 ай бұрын

    I heard the earthquake was centered in the state of New Jersey. Was there more than one?

  • @crazy4gta1

    @crazy4gta1

    3 ай бұрын

    There were a few aftershocks

  • @BlueCyann

    @BlueCyann

    3 ай бұрын

    Several aftershocks so far, but most not perceptible. The biggest of the aftershocks was a 4.0; that one I felt from 45 or 50 miles away just like the original quake, though weaker and shorter.

  • @katiestory5704

    @katiestory5704

    3 ай бұрын

    Just one in the morning and a smaller aftershock in the evening

  • @toemblem

    @toemblem

    3 ай бұрын

    It was centered in New Jersey, where Newark Liberty is located. But I hear it was felt far and wide.

  • @recoveringsoul755

    @recoveringsoul755

    3 ай бұрын

    @@toemblem I'm on the west coast but it's pretty unusual for east coasters. I wonder if the big one sent shock waves that triggered something?

  • @danc3488
    @danc34883 ай бұрын

    Sooooooo...had they not checked the backup tower equipment in awhile? Thank God for that pilot relaying information. That was a seriously bad radio issue.

  • @luschmiedt1071
    @luschmiedt10713 ай бұрын

    is 3 by 3 an FAA standard? i'm only familiar with 5 by 5 scale. i mean it works and i never know when to use 2 or 4 XD

  • @dogapz
    @dogapz3 ай бұрын

    They just need some Mexico City controllers' advices on earthquake operations handling. Not saying it was bad, but in Mexico we are really used to this so we have learned something over time.

  • @rsybing
    @rsybing3 ай бұрын

    Half a day and no one's blamed the earthquake on DEI? People are start to slip on their self-appointed responsibilities

  • @EricMeyerweb

    @EricMeyerweb

    3 ай бұрын

    We got people in the comments blaming the radio problems on DEI and Biden, so don’t worry, the self-appointed are riding their Shetlands hard as ever.

  • @DoakersHD
    @DoakersHD3 ай бұрын

    What a crazy day lol

  • @jneill
    @jneill3 ай бұрын

    Ran extremely smoothly under the circumstances. Earthquakes aren't exactly commonplace on the american east coast.

  • @SeligTiles
    @SeligTiles3 ай бұрын

    United medivac?

  • @cenccenc946
    @cenccenc9463 ай бұрын

    I was near the epicenter in Chile for the 8.8. My cat does not even get out bed for less than a 7.0 anymore. Under 5.0, you might not even feel it. It is like a strong gust of wind. No one is in danger, untill they over reacted.

  • @landgrenade
    @landgrenade3 ай бұрын

    I know some of the technicians at EWR who were probably working those radios. Not a good day for them 😅

  • @jaerin1980
    @jaerin19803 ай бұрын

    Why was the tower evacuated? I know there was an earthquake, but was there something wrong with the structure?

  • @nate7803
    @nate78033 ай бұрын

    Man I understand the massive volume they get in this airspace but it seems extremely risky to be departing planes in an already chaotic airspace. Not even to mention RELAYING TAKEOFF CLEARANCES. Imagine an incursion happens. Much better to wait.

  • @whophd
    @whophd3 ай бұрын

    Die Hard 2 vibes

  • @sarahlynn7894
    @sarahlynn78943 ай бұрын

    Us Californians are laughing. I was in a 7.1 earthquake in 1989. 4.8 is just a little bump. 😆

  • @lbcarrington4601

    @lbcarrington4601

    3 ай бұрын

    Our little bump was given a VII (very strong) intensity rating by the USGS. We have very different geology over here, and it's much better at transmitting seismic waves. I've experienced two CA quakes in the 5s, and was here in PA for the Virginia 5.8, and this was by far the worst of all of them. I thought a tractor trailer had crashed into my house.

  • @sarahlynn7894

    @sarahlynn7894

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm sure it felt strong, but compared to what we feel often out here, it's not a big deal to us. The 5.8 you experienced is almost a 6.0. That makes sense why it felt strong. Try 7.1! I watched the ground literally rock and roll like ocean waves! We get many rated VII earthquakes out here, but the Loma Prieta earthquake I'm talking about was rated at IX VIOLENT by the USGS. Buildings made for earthquakes collapsed, double decker freeways collapsed killing many people, liquefaction caused buildings to collapse and start fires, quake retrofitted homes were thrown off their foundations, a section of the Bay bridge collapsed, airport runways were damaged, etc.. Unless you've experienced an earthquake like this, a 4.8 might seem a big deal, but to me I'd probably sleep through it. lol The movie LA Story with Steve Martin has a scene at a restaurant during an earthquake and that quite demonstrates how most Californians view them. It's hilarious!!! But honestly I'd take an earthquake any given day over a tornado! No way Jose!

  • @alquinn8576

    @alquinn8576

    3 ай бұрын

    @@lbcarrington4601 USGS has peak Modified Mercali rating for this quake at 6.4. At the location of Newark Airport, the MMI is 3.8

  • @alanoldaker563
    @alanoldaker5633 ай бұрын

    So a relay is okay for take off? Seems like you would have to hear clear instructions from ATC directly.

  • @whos1st
    @whos1st3 ай бұрын

    Hats off to ATC and Pilots - you guys are all pro’s

  • @MrNiceGuy82
    @MrNiceGuy823 ай бұрын

    Pilots giving pilots takeoff clearance. That's safe.

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel28173 ай бұрын

    WhaaaAAT?! An Earthquake in New York/New Jersey?!

  • @donnafromnyc
    @donnafromnyc3 ай бұрын

    The EWR controller has the most interesting accent. Can anyone place it?

  • @richardgelber2740

    @richardgelber2740

    3 ай бұрын

    I noticed that, too. Couldn't place it. Possibly Canadian, but I'm still very unsure.

  • @bankerdave888
    @bankerdave8883 ай бұрын

    Only 4.8 and evacuation? Lightweights!

  • @My-Pal-Hal
    @My-Pal-Hal3 ай бұрын

    Earthquake ??? I didn't feel anything. ... waving from SeaTac airport

  • @leeclemens879
    @leeclemens8793 ай бұрын

    wow, I hope they don't get any federal funding