Test 10mm sockets to see which brands disappear the fastest.

@bradrolling8637

4 жыл бұрын

There isnt a lawnmower built without 10 mm bolts and/or screws holding it all together.

@orbitalair2103

4 жыл бұрын

He tried to, but half of them got lost before he could start the camera !

Red, using an E-Torx bit rather than vise jaws would have let you test the actual Torx bit rather than how well your vise grips the hex on your Torx bit shank. As it stands, this test is not really a valid test of how the tool will actually perform when used in a somewhat proper way. No disrespect meant, but your methodology was no good. Maybe next time you should do a post that asks "how should I destructively test X?" That way you won't waste money twisting the heads off of screws. Some of us really know how to break stuff and will share. As for Torx vs hex fasteners, I have seen way more wallowed out hex fasteners than Torx so I prefer Torx when available. I also prefer using proper torque on small fasteners so I have a Seekonk in-lb torque wrench along with sets of Torx and hex bits to use with it (that I don't use for anything else). Ultimately, I agree with your conclusion, a cheap torx bit is not necessarily a weak Torx bit but it would have been nice to see an actual ranking.

@Imantos

2 жыл бұрын

Came up with the same suggestion while watching. An impact-rated E-torx socket with a torque meter attached may have been more revealing. Thanks for the test anyway. I wish there were more tests like this, so people could see what they pay for.

I have always called "Cam Out" stripped for example- "GREAT YA STRIPPED IT NOW HAVE FUN GETTING IT OUT/IN!" lol

@davidpowell3347

2 жыл бұрын

that is more the fault of soft metal or rust in the socket of the screw?

I love my S-K tools for stuff that NEVER leaves the shop. However, you're absolutely right about these Torx sockets. No matter the brand or cost, they WILL eventually twist. It's just the nature of the beast (bear?). When I'm shopping for new Torx sockets, I like the ones that get narrow close to the bit. That way, I have a better chance of getting into a tight spot when I don't have a long bit.

Love the Big Bear, thanks for the vids.

Love the wiha small precision bits. Use them a ton. Sticking with icon for this stuff because replacement.

You should use flat hardened vice jaws and use the torque meter with a good flex handle and a piece of pipe.

@AntonioClaudioMichael

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

Great video! That proves the strength of the metal. That earthquake is a beast im surprised those survived.

How much torque could a torqued torx torque if a torqued torx could torque torx?

@woodworkerroyer8497

4 жыл бұрын

Out in Idaho my friend and I came up with "how much rock could a rockchuck chuck if a rockchuck could chuck rock?", but your post is much better. Hats off.

I have the VIM Torx set, but have never put them through a torture test. Very adequate though for regular use.

I have the capri set of torx and allen. I've broken 3 of the torx bits on rusted bolts. More brittle than I had hoped but they did replace them when I filled out the warranty on their website. The ones that broke were all the TT type with the hole in the end of the bit which does weaken them significantly. Your test method wasn't all that great here, but I appreciate the effort.

You need to use the earthquake impact on your bolts holding the vise on the workbench. We could see the nut on the right front shaking and turning when you were applying the beast in the testing.

Li Ion battery tests. Endurance time under constant load like drill rotating mixer in 5 gallon paint bucket.

great job

Contact Project Farm to see how to conduct this test. Pretty much useless info.

@MJB_Fine_Art

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same while wasting my time watching the first and second part

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry but using a different fastener for each bit for a cam out test doesn't show you anything other than the variability of the fasteners

Spax are the BEST for construction screws! GRK (the other one at home depot) are ok, but use a smaller torx size. For the next test look into the Fireball Tools vise. There is a KZread video where he tests all different vises and then one where he builds one that is beautiful and like 2 or 3 times stronger than the best store bought one. Maybe it is overkill, but it would be a fun project and would FAR outperform the one here that let go of the bits. Great video, but I wish there would have been more "sudden, violent release of energy" and shrapnel lol

Would of preferred to see them used on large bolts like seatbelt bolts

Hands down the snap on is by far the best I’ve used. Expensive but well worth it.

The Mac rbrt line is by far the best I’ve ever used

I have a old set made by Great Neck, guess about 20 years old, still in great shape

best test of a torx bit is box bolts on pickups in the midwest after a few years and they locktight them at factory usually the left front one will twist or snap a snapon ive replaced mine 20 times now but its free everytime so far

You should have agreed and put him in a bear suit! LOL!

Lol that poor vise.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

It's an HF vise and they are not known for holding up under high pressure. I was just waiting for it to split in two.

@tunafish3216

4 жыл бұрын

So it’s not a fair test !

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

@@tunafish3216 ???

@johnlepkowski3831

3 жыл бұрын

It is a poor Vice to start with. A good quality Vice is a joy to use

You should do part 3 with the alloy bolts I posted, smaller size bits, get a torque multiplier for the biggest torque wrench you have and do over breaking bits and noting the torque they break, and get a better vise if possible that one looked so cheap

I like what I've seen with the rbrt bits. Ive got a couple of their bits ordered to give em a try.

@blazebox71

4 жыл бұрын

They are worth the money

@mramseyISU

4 жыл бұрын

I’m planning on ordering a set of the T-handles when they are available. I deal with a lot of sketchy internal hex fasteners and if they are half as good as the demos I’ve seen they’d be a huge help.

@blazebox71

4 жыл бұрын

@@mramseyISU the T handles are in next weeks flyer

@mramseyISU

4 жыл бұрын

Blaze Box I saw that over on Koon Truckings channel the other day. I don’t have a Mac guy and I’m just a weekend warrior type that deals with a lot of sketchy internal hex fasteners in my hobbies so I’m ok with splurging on a set straight from the website. They just don’t have them in stock yet.

@blazebox71

4 жыл бұрын

@@mramseyISU that stinks that you dont have a mac guy in your area

The Smaller torx bits are better than easy-outs, especially in rusted bolts

I second the replies that suggest the E torx socket for the torture test !

Can you do test on 12 vs 6 points wrench please? Im curious about the myth that 12pts will round the bolt head.

Thanks for all the vids! I think I’m gonna order the Capri 60-Piece set. Been interested in this set for a while. $54.57 right now on Amazon 👍🏽

I use Capri and have been converting most of my tools over to them. They give me the most bang for my buck, personally. The only exception is I really prefer my Nepros ratchets, and Milwaukee power tools.

I suppose it might be a minor complaint but since you cut out the shots of you tightening the vice I wonder if there was inconsistent clamping force on the hex shaft causing some to spin easier, I'd love to see you try them all side by side on old Ford truck box bolts. They are a self tapper/tri-lobe of sorts and we end up just having to cut the heads off.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there was unfortunately I could not find a very viable way to really eliminate that as a possibility.

Test work site radios for sound quality and endurance.

I would like to see green impact sockets

I wonder how many of those are oem by VIM

I got Cornwell set an old set of Mack

Join us this Sunday evening for Tool Talk Live where I will be giving most of these away! They still have a lifetime warranty after all!

Definitely test hex bits. Personally I’d love to see the ball hex tested.

@8323435549gg

4 жыл бұрын

They suck

@MikeBrown-ii3pt

4 жыл бұрын

The ball end won't take much torque before they snap off. I've actually broken them off of top brand USA made hand Allen wrenches. They're great for light duty work at odd angles but not designed for high torque applications.

Bring the tool rep in and let them talk. They may have some good info we'd like to hear. Sometimes there's very small details to the tool that they can show.

I watched the whole thing and never saw the screws, if they were 304 stainless they could have been strain hardened to be around grade 5 120,000 psi, you should have gotten a socket head cap screw which are 180,000 psi to test I didn’t look but I’m sure McMaster Carr would have them online

Hey go ahead and salmon smack me, I love good fresh salmon and the price of that stuff is outrageous anymore so just let me get ready so I can take a big bite out of it when you do LOL

WIHA is the only one that holds up for me

Oh and I just watched your first video and I doubt those were strain hardened stainless, they were just plain old 304 stainless dead soft.

Do rbrt torx vs torx plus

Maybe it’s me, but it looks like the famous picture you show at the beginning. (S-O vs Husky) The husky looks like it’s been twisted off while the S-O looks like it shattered on an impact. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but that’s the internet for you. We’ll never really know. I’ll stick to my S-O in the meantime.

Also you should have used a smaller size bit where they were easier to break

Macs RBRT is actually pretty good shit. I can’t say if they’re any stronger or not, but I CAN say that they grip into those stripped heads like no other. They have saved my ass many times. If they can’t get it out, might as well go straight for the drill, grinder, or torch

One thing I have learned in 50 yrs, Being a Motorcycle Tech, Industrial/ Medical machine builder ETC,ETC, Common Motorcycle [not Harley] Fastener sizes 8mm 10mm 12mm 13 mm[Euro Bikes] 14mm 17mm 19mm I have always bought Snap-On For rarely used sizes I go cheap. No sense in buying $$$ tools that might be used once a year! I have bought cheap wrenches/Sockets, I have had to cut,heat bend and weld to make a custom tools. BTW, I have a set of Harbor Freight Torx . I do not use them often, but they work. I also have used Harbor Freight Swivel Hex keys[Allen Wrench] for years On the Job ...Never worn out one wrench! [This Comment was Not Sponsored..Lol..]

@woodworkerroyer8497

4 жыл бұрын

For years I have used the cheap home depot and walmart "precision screwdriver" kits that MIGHT take a screw out of a knife once before twisting or snapping altogether. Just a few weeks ago I got a set of Bondhus SAE and metric allen keys and one of torx screwdrivers. They are WAY better than the Walmart things, though admittedly not an apples to apples comparison.

@louisrichards3702

3 жыл бұрын

dont be supprised when OSHA shows up and makes you remove all your "mutilated" tools from the shop,,,obama started this, was about to happen at a machine shop i worked at in 2011, when i got laid off, they told us any ground on, welded, heated and bent, or modified tool was to be removed and taken home ,never to be brought back into the shop...only factory made tools...

What does tampered torx mean? What difference then regular torx

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

Tamper-proof it has the hole in the center so that if someone has a regular torx bit they can't take that fastener off

@denoftools I'm really thinking about the Pittsburgh wreaches are they built well

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

They have several versions of those. The really cheap ones are pretty bad but they do have some that are great for DIY use.

@andrewmiller5145

4 жыл бұрын

@@denoftools thank you I'm looking for the middle class I'm no pro but not a once in awhile user I farm and need a tool that I can honestly abuse at times

99.7 K Subscribers! Sooooooo close! Get ready to celebrate!

should have tested the cornwell

Do screwdrivers test

Torx are supposed to be more highly engineered or fancier or something than plain old internal hex or Allen socket drive but yet people seem to have more trouble and complaints with torx. Could it be using the wrong size,not getting the bit all of the way down into the socket (need to clean it out first?) or mix up between Torx and Torx Plus? "Snap On Gold"? (gold color bits that are said to be different than the regular dark color ones) complexity to make your mechanic have to buy more tools? might be interesting to try the "hand impact driver" such as Snap On's PIT120 or Koken "Attack Driver AG112H" in a last ditch effort to get something loose (probably would be better with impact rated bits but might not be as damaging as a "real" impact or air gun (have to remember to set the direction to "lefty loosey" before starting to whack that hand impact driver!)

Love your videos, but..... have you ever seen project farm? Yes there are way to test cam out.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with his test and my issue with it is the inconsistency of the fastener.

More videos 👍🏽

Check project farm videos . He uses a bike rim on a drill press with weight on a rope to watch camout and test bits and step bits etc

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

I saw his dentist but the real issue there is there's no control on the fasteners. He's using a different one each time and they are not precision-made items as such the fluctuation was more likely due to the different fasteners than it was to the different bits

Like one the commenters said which i gave a thumbs up use a E socket

Salmon smacked? Don’t threaten me with a good time. Lol.

you might be able to show cam out is to preload the wrench intoo the head of the bolt using a hydraulic press with a gauge , if the tool cams out it should show a raise in force while its happening on the gauge how mush force is needed to counter the cam out too bad a lot of the tools arent available in europe , i was looking intoo bauer and tektools looks like you hit 100 K congratulations

Good video if you wanted to see vise jaws get pretty destroyed didn't look like all the bits that failed were tight enough in the vise good video though @TheDenOfTools

MAC is sounding like Ferrari-- you can only test with our cars that have been prepped for each individual test, and only under our controlled conditions

Basically, if you have any torx fastener that isn't rust frozen into place, any of these should be able to remove it which means there's no reason to spend a fortune on them.

@CrimFerret

4 жыл бұрын

@@athhud Then break out the penetrating oil and the impact version of these and hope there is enough left of the cavity for the driver to grab. Otherwise it's likely drill and use an easy out.

Hope you buy your vise a nice set of new jaws you monster :D

Hard to test that kinda socket, but thanks for going thru it all. What I learned is there's no need to spend $33 each on lesser used stuff just to inflate your own ego which NO ONE cares about. Shine on Bear

Instead of putting the shaft in the vise why not find the correct size deep impact socket that would fit the shank portion of the Torx? Then put the Torx in the socket. The socket would hold the bit in place.

@MikeBrown-ii3pt

4 жыл бұрын

That was my thought at first too but, you'd need to use an actual pipe vise for a test like that. The flat jaws on the vise in the video would allow a round socket to slip very easily. The vise used probably has what could be considered pipe jaws below the flat jaws but, in my experience, they're only intended to hold pipe for cutting, not for heavy use. My Chinese Craftsman vise actually has 2 different sets of "pipe jaws" under the flat ones. They hold pipe for cutting just fine but, if I try to tap pipe, they don't hold.

@neutrodyne

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeBrown-ii3pt I wasn't thinking about putting the socket directly into the vise. I would put the socket on the end of a breaker bar. You could put the breaker bar in the vise if necessary.

Dear god please dont bring on the rbrt guy.... its the same video on every channel 🤦‍♂️

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

Ivory was really concerned when they wouldn't send me the bits without having him come out to help on the video. It's set off all sorts of alarms.

@AntonioClaudioMichael

4 жыл бұрын

@@denoftools i agree with Brad

You want to test torx bits go find a 14 or older f 150 and take the bed bolts out i dare you

@davidpowell3347

2 жыл бұрын

Test the hand impact driver and the Mac RBRT or whatever you call it?

Red you need a better vice .

I like most of your videos, but I’m sorry i just don’t see the practicality in this one. I thought we were going to see which bits hold up the best on fasteners.

This would be a good video to REDO, even Project Farm hasn't done Torx Sockets. But when you redo it, show the weight, example "150 lbs", being pulled on the vise handle. You could have pulled on the vise like a little girl for some brands and pulled it hard as heck for others, no way to tell. Edit: Ignore me, I'm an idiot... I threw my broken Kobalt in the trash... IT HAS A LIFETIME WARRANTY!!!! 🤣 For what it's worth, I recommend Kobalt, that T-50 took some abuse before finally giving up the ghost in explosive fashion to the Milwaukee Fuel High Torque on a seized truck bed bolt (that is actually a TP-50, lol, took out lots of them, but eventually blew apart.)

Oh and also MAC was right to send someone out you should have been breaking those with a torque wrench or with one with a torque multiplier or even better a hydraulic one.

Hmmmm. This was a test I only sat through because I wanted to get an idea about an Icon hex socket set. So there was no vids about them but there were about these torx. Not to mention as others have said you failed to be scientific about anything right down to the not having flat vise jaws. What a disaster to watch. You should redo this for your subs this was brutal.

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You should have screwed a few torx bolts into the same metal as the bolt then welded the heads to the metal, then test the bits to failure. No offense, but yr test just showed the failure torque of the bolt not the relative failure torque of each socket. The vice test is questionable bc, as you said, it crushes the bit not reflecting real world use. Maybe you could vice some holt heads but that too puts unnatural flex into the bolt head.

Ok so which 3 were the winners?

@pattognozzi

4 жыл бұрын

Icon, Snap-On, and SK

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

I have a salmon with your name on it!

@straycatnip

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao i was using the am radio version and never heard it. Lol. Went back after I parked and found the silent subtitles, though I'm still not sure which horse placed placed and showed.

@straycatnip

4 жыл бұрын

@@denoftools if it smells like fish..

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

Icon snap-on and SK all passed the test. But in the end I really did see that large of a performance difference between the most expensive, snap-on and the least expensive, duralast. I think the winner is whichever one gives you the best service that you can purchase locally and replace as needed as I see these as consumables

304 stainless isn't that great of a material. Nothing wrong with it, just not super strong. Yield strength is 31.2 kpsi, versus a grade 5 bolt at 85 kpsi and a grade 8 bolt at 120 kpsi. Camout shouldn't be an issue with a Torx. It doesn't have sloped sides like a Phillips or (non-gunsmithing) flat screwdrivers. You really need a better vise 😁 As far as those rounded corners in the hole for the anvil, that's the same thing you're seeing with the "flank drive" from Snap-On. You can't machine a perfect sharp inside corner like you can an outside corner, so you add a little relief in the corners so you can tighten the tolerances elsewhere. John @ NYCCNC like to call these "mouse ears", but you'll see this in a wide variety of places: on an engineers square, in the bottom of a v block, in the back corners of a machinists insert vise, etc. Even the little slots on my welding table have them so the tabs will fit snugly before welding the pieces together. Hex bits will strip out long before Torx or especially Torx-Plus.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

I have one, and it is of course in storage.

@PaulSteMarie

4 жыл бұрын

@@denoftools Figures. You never have what you need where you need it 😕

@markshaw2207

4 жыл бұрын

He needed the stainless screws to fix his truck bed cover.

i find it hard to believe that seat belt bolts are not grade 8 and every one i've seen for 35 years has been torx... since way before buying torx became and "over the counter" type thing. Ok, smack me with a salmon, too. You need a better vise.

@MikeBrown-ii3pt

4 жыл бұрын

In modern vehicles with metric fasteners, seat belt bolts (as well as many suspension fasteners) are most likely 10.9 which is actually "stronger" than grade 8. I can remember loosening/tightening Torx head door strikers etc. on many older vehicles with Vice Grips before Torx bits were common tools.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

They usually are or even higher grade. But they are usually a larger size than t45

@pt4242

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeBrown-ii3pt Ha ha....i had to do that with my 72 Malibu. That's when vise-grips were made in the US and were good tools.

No Proto T45 socket bit unbelievable an American made Bit Driver with AS4984A standards. That you can buy for under 10 bucks. Also no Sunex, Carbyne, ARES or Cornwell or Wright socket bits. Of the three that made the finals two were AMERICAN MADE ( SK and Snap-On) only reason the ICON got to the end, it had longer shaft so more meat for the vise to hold on too( my opinion). The Mac socket not so sure about Mac sells both American made and China made versions. I wonder if the bear will try to use the warranty to replace these destroyed sockets. Maybe that's why Mac wanted to be there cause they have seen that Hit piece video on their plant in Mississipi that you did and they don't trust you. Really if you think about it that is some real Bear Balls you do a hit video and turn around and ask for freebies from them. I gave this video a thumbs up not the best comparison video I have seen but not the worse. Keep trying bear you will get better as time goes on.

Those MAC RBRT's are unique and proprietary; they are the real deal! Because of their design, they do not "cam out" . Also, they are a bit pricey, but if you work with alot of those types of fasteners, they are the only way to go! kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJ5o1dOun9fbZLA.html

This torx bit torture test made me completely lose faith in this channel due to the the lack of knowledge of real-world applications. High grade torx socket headed cap screws are widely available and commonly used in many (especially European) automotive applications. Clamping a bit in a cheap vise...really???

@LTVoyager

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Shaw I was thinking the same. Pretty stupid test with no real world application.

I love the idea of the test. After watching I understand why it would be difficult to test. That said all torx are not equal. Bought some craftsman a year or so ago and they were horrible, they would snap using a 1/4 ratchet drive without much pressure. They are a different company now I think so might be better. I do like the recommendation to use impact rated one's though

This is not the way to test a bit.

it seems MAC doesn't trust your methodology and they are right not to, I have never seen such a lousy tool testing as in this video, you need to up your game . PS the last one wasn't much good either , tough love from a long time viewer

Second

Snap on and mac tools are way over priced. Its like john deere. Your just paying for the name. I mean Ive seen comparison tests of snap on and mac tools vs other tools and they dont come out on top as much as you would think. Just way over priced. Alot of people are so blind about things and just buy something just cause of the name.

Maybe you should ant have used a toy vice to hold your bits and also bringing the bits all the way up to the top of the bit is not how the ends will break off And wiha brand is the best brand with their micro grain steel made in germany

Love ya bear, and I agree there’s not much difference between them, but this was really pointless. The only thing tested here was the surface area of the hex part of the shaft. The longer and and larger the hex part of the shaft, the better it’s gonna perform with this test method.

@denoftools

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I assumed as well but then the SK held out as well

Definitely unscientific and pointless test.

Most of the time I like your video but this was a waist of my time. You could have done way better test for them. On a side not I would like to see the RBRT TO GET TESTED

Test 10mm sockets to see which brands disappear the fastest.

@transport21

4 жыл бұрын

Why you have to steal someone else’s comment

@SurvivalSpec

4 жыл бұрын

Transport naw