As a person who has been recovering from the religious trauma of being in a fundamentalist bible/hyper Pentecostal church that saw sex in a really negative light, this was much needed. Marriage was seen as a "okay thing" but don't get too attached to your wife or kids or else you will take your attention away from God and you will go to hell because of that. As a young man in their mid 20s at the time wanting to date/marry it really messed me up alot. I love all the videos you put out and keep up the good work.

@drakeclifton5625

2 ай бұрын

Your not alone! Everything you just described is the stuff that has messed with my head too

@EvaLasta

2 ай бұрын

Sorry you went through the White Anglo Saxon Evangelical trauma. It messed me up too

@StevenSmolak

2 ай бұрын

Wow wow wow! I've needed to hear this since I've began to try and (understand?) it through my family and their faith, our church. Though not married into a family, I feel as Ruth did, 'your God my God, your land mine, etc... and yet, I need these reassurances, something more to convict to, somehow. Mine owne soul to be also married to, by another; not just by tradition and acceptance, as such. Thank You thank you for this and all your great offerings, revelations... 🙏🏻🌎❤️

@hanygeorge8603

2 ай бұрын

I am the same. Raised in conservative Christian Orthodox environment. I didn’t have the chance to date or fall in love. It is forbidden.

@JakeLeidahl

Ай бұрын

Saw sex in a negative light? Marriage was an ok thing? Don't get attached to wife and kids? Everything you are saying is anti Biblical. The truth is people reject Jesus because they love this world and not Him. They love sin and refuse to accept judgement is coming. So they reject what might have saved them. Any one without Christ will die the second death. Seek Him.while you can

I really really love all of these classes. Thank you so much!

What I understood is that Paul preferred celibacy as the best means of staying holy. The Roman Catholic church picking on this required their priest to use the celibate option as a means of staying holy. I used to oppose the idea of Roman Catholic style of priestly celibacy saying that it wasn't supported in the scriptures but today that has been corrected. Thank you Dr. Talbor for today's lecture. Watching from Ghana 🇬🇭, West Africa.

Dr Tabor, love your videos. Just bought and read Paul and Jesus as well. Wish I had found your work when I was younger, but I guess better late than never. Looking forward to the next book. I think I’ll try The Jesus Dynasty next.

Thank you for this. Paul’s writing on this and how a lot of people used it within church setting really f’d my head and the building of my perceptions for many years.

Thank you. Watching from Alaska.

i am growing old with james tabor.been a fan for years

Have to say that I disagree with some of what you say Dr Tabor but this teaching is the best upload you have ever had plus you spoke of things that even pastors and ministers never speak of. amazing. Thank you. And this is why I watch all of your videos though again I don't always agree but I know I can gleam something useful.

Excellent teaching, Dr. Tabor! Thank you!

Great lecture thanks

Thank you James…

Appreciate you and your time and knowledge Dr. Tabor. You are generous giving us this free content.

Enjoying listening. I've been examining scripture like this since I was a young girl & I came to feel from the fact that Paul clearly states at times that he is giving HIS OPINION that whenever in doubt I should prayerfully follow my own conscience. Have just joined Patreon & excited to hear what's shared about the James (is it estuary, can't remember) & the DSS as well as Q&B - all subjects I'm very much interested in! ("Sheli" &; >)

A very good episode especially for those who are believers and are confused about "celibacy". Indeed the command is appropriate contextually..for instance a nation getting ready to prepare for war....the young soldiers if possible would do better not to have to rip themself away from the young woman they were planning on marrying...or avoid "touching a woman" because if they do, they are then obligated to marry her and may be pressed of mind on a new baby coming, caring for their loved one etc not focusing and even trying to avoid the mission at hand. Now apart from such a circumstance, one could dispose of the "it is better not to touch a woman". This same advice is given to young missionaries today , where they are advised....serve the mission , then come back and to the marriage thing. Good episode. Now if a pre missionary can not control his impulse or is involved with a girl sexually and can not refrain "his love". That same missionary is advised , go ahead and get married. Not only that a missionary who is not able to refrain till after their mission, may even worse , commit fornication while on the mission. Context is everything and I think this point is now getting out and I appreciate high scholars like Tabor digging into this. Later this issue is abused by "orders" to prevent inheritances outside the order and also to focus the order on non family oriented things. imo of course however...very logical considering the cultural and spiritual encouragement of marriage, including many parables and allegories involving God and Man and Christ that have to do with marriage, not to mention "becoming one with the bride" is like becoming one with the bridegroom, further sanctifying marriage as a preferred state, outside of the context of impending "war" , "conflict" or purpose. After listening to more of the episode and I certainly will finish it, I see all these points are made obviously better than I could say. It is very refreshing especially because...I'm a believer lol. Peace.

@willempasterkamp862

2 ай бұрын

the male virgins are the 5 ancient known planets going solitarily trough the sky. 5 wise and 5 foolish (a double counting). aka the lesser gods, elkanites or iron maiden (blanketh like wetted iron, poor shining or resembling icons), dressed up in white robes ; Huqoq elephants mosaic has 8 Hymenaei, 5 + twin + polar star.

The greatest sin is the greatest weapon against humanity!

*Best Genesis translation to English* I have heard other scholars admit that “sky and land” is what it says, but they read it the old way aloud. My only question is “Why translate Tehom?” Isn’t is a reference to a version of the primordial dragon of chaos? Also leaving it as Tehom would leave this connection to Enuma Elish explicit. You could still have a footnote that Tehom represented the sea.

In french louis segond it says " burning of desires" 😊

As someone who did not grow up in the Christian tradition, when I finally started o study the New testament, this was one of a few recurring themes that struck me as peculiar in light of what I knew about Christians. Some are the other unexpected elements included: Jesus' exhortation for his followers to review their own family members and the rejection of his own family,, the explicit references to exorcism of demons, the degree to which the text vilifies Jews....

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Love these Dr. Tabor! Read your books. Paul seems like a real troublesome person and they formed a religion around him? Humans are so gullible!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts & research with us. From estimonies I have heard a few times the Catholic-style of priestly / nunnish celibacy led to the extreme wickedness of the practice of abortion and who even wants to think of what awful else? Ghastly idea to institutionalize it, in my opinion..

24:16 'as his one before'... could this be the exerpt where all those 'Lilyth' myths before Eve have come out from?

A common misconception is that ishshah comes from ish (linguistically). It does not. The doubled sh indicates the disappearance of the letter n. That's actually something that English has in common with Hebrew. In English, for instance, in+material becomes immaterial (the m doubles as the n disappears). In Hebrew, there's a different word for man (besides ish) which is enosh. In Hebrew, though, vowels are very slippery, especially when you're adding in an additional syllable. So, when you add the feminine ending ah, you've got an extra syllable that makes the e turn to i and the o turn into a shva. The dropped n becomes doubled (like in the English example) so that you have two sh in a row. Thus, ishshah is the feminine form of enosh, not of ish. If it were the feminine of ish, it would not have the doubled sh as it does.

@avishevin1976

2 ай бұрын

According to the רד׳׳ק, the word אישה may derive from either איש or אנוש. He cites both opinions.

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How does this compare to Christ’s teachings regarding eunuchs? It seems like he is basically conveying the advice that Paul would later give.

Dr Tabor, what if Paul’s wife was related to Herod? I know it’s complete conjecture, but that could explain his greeting to Herodion.

Be fruitful and multiply,this would be at odds with this comandment,if EVERYONE took this advice mankind would have died. out 18 or1900 years ago?.

Was Paul a closeted gay man ? I’m not saying that he was , but I do see some signs.

@jdaze1

2 ай бұрын

A false apostle and agent of Rome.

As someone who has never been associated with any fictional belief system in my life, I find this all quite entertaining.

@josephturner7569

2 ай бұрын

So Paul couldn't get his leg over?

Paul and the New Testament in general does not address the problem of involuntary celibacy. He says it is better to marry than to burn, but says nothing at all about what happens when you burn but there is no one suitable to marry. What has happened that instead of celibacy being seen as a gift, it is mandated on all those who are not married. Now, this is not as much of a problem when you have a culture where marriages are arranged at much younger ages than today, especially for women (note Paul's use of the word "girl" in 1 Cor 7:28), but in today's culture where marriage is often delayed and people are on their own in finding partners, it can be very difficult to find suitable, like-minded mates. One thing that is not talked about much is the number of older women who have never married within many congregations; they tend to be invisible, and because of passages like the ones quoted, are expected to be content with devoting their lives to Jesus while everyone else around them enjoys the "lesser" spiritual reward of marriage. Sometimes these women find themselves being patronized by their married/widowed sisters who fuss over them and praise them for remaining chaste and pure in a society that values neither; in other words, they become "pet virgins", and their very real needs for companionship and yes, even sex, are ignored. Other times they are told that they should be happy as they are because marriage is not always what it is cracked up to be (followed by some really inappropriate story about husbands not pulling their financial weight in the household or worse, ceasing to have sexual relations with their wives). With the end result that some of these women feel trapped in a role they did not create or seek out; if they do speak up and express how they really feel they are dismissed and told to stop being so bitter and negative and to turn to God. So yes, this concept has caused a lot of mischief in the church.

@stephenluke2347

Ай бұрын

The other aspect not addressed is the situation where one of the spouses (male or female) is physically unable or deliberately unwilling to have sex.

@theresemalmberg955

Ай бұрын

@@stephenluke2347 Yes, I find it so ironic that Christian leaders promise the moon to single people--wait until marriage, the sex will be so mind-blowing fantastic that it will be worth it, trust me, it can't possibly compare to sex outside of marriage (but how would one know that without any experience?)--and then, once the vows are said and the couple are alone together they find that they can't consummate the marriage due to physical reasons; or they do, and then one of the partners says, "that's it, I'm not doing that any more with you." Based on some of the things people have said to me, and based on what people ask advice columnists I'd say sexless marriages are much more common than one would think. The wonder is why these couples stay together for so long especially without the deprived partner straying.

This might be out f\of scope but if you could advise: 1 Corinthians 7:36-38: "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." Is it reasonable to say that the first possible point of marriage would be at the age of puberty and not a 'fixed' age of 12? Your opinion would be helpful.

Better to marry than to burn, can cause a rushed marriage to wrong person. In my case he turned out to be gay. If, we would had slept together before marriage his gayness might have been flushed out.

Ben Shapiro of Daily Wire stated in Hebrew that it says "help meet AGAINST".... it is crazy how so many translations vary.... It doesn't sound like Dr Tabor said the "against part". I know nothing about Hebrew but the translating with "against" coming from a deeply religious Jewish person is interesting

@avishevin1976

2 ай бұрын

Shapiro is very ignorant about all things Jewish. His understanding of Scripture is on the level of a school child's.

Does it seem to you that Paul was opposed to polygamy?

I'm 19, Jehovah's Witness and dating a girl which I'm that religion means I'm serious about marrying her, we're outside at her mother's house with her mom right there with us and i have my arm around my girl. An elder from the church drives by so i wave. At the next kingdom hall meeting he and another elder take me aside and he reads that verse about not touching a woman and he demands that i make it my resolve. So I'm like ok sure. My dad was pissed and i did a lot more than just touch her after that lol.

@hanygeorge8603

2 ай бұрын

Well done mate. Don’t listen to these old men.

One has to understand that the ""Way"" is not a path to the material world, which is ""'sex"" and ""money"". This is true in many religions. Christianity is not a path to ""sex"" and ""money"" for it is a rejection of the world for the glory of the transcendent.

@integrationalpolytheism

2 ай бұрын

Plenty of christian leaders down the ages have certainly been successfully in finding sex and money, through their use of christianity.

@integrationalpolytheism

2 ай бұрын

Plenty of christian leaders down the ages have certainly been successfully in finding sex and money, through their use of christianity.

@neclark08

2 ай бұрын

...Oh, @marshalldarcy7423 -- I- & Many other "Ones" DO Understand that #FundieXtianClergy have been NOTORIOUS for "Speaking out of BOTH Sides of their Mouths" across ALL of the 1,600 Years in which they Dominated multiple Western Societies since The "holy" Roman Empire by Waging "Holy Wars" against not Just "Pagans", "Infidels" & "Apostates", but at Least as Often, their "Fellow--Supposedly Mis-Guided--Xtians". They Condemn Others who 'Do EXACTLY as They Do' -- simply by Exploiting the Notorious Loop-Holes their kind have built-into their now-HUNDREDS of Denominations of their "One TRUE Faith(s)" through Indulgences, Absolution & Unenforceable "Confessions"...

yeah, celibacy sure has worked out great for the catholic church i was raised around orthodox judaism so catholic stuff was always kinda weird to me. a friend of mine got married catholic and i recall being shocked by the priest as he explained what marriage was about to the young couple. my mind was "are you effing kidding me, man?" but i, of course, held my tongue

Have you watch #christspiracy? 🙏🏻

What about the similarities with the Jamesian movement (and by parallel the Qumran community) about celibacy (James being a virgin) and the community being all men, of some sort of nazirite tradition, "separating" themselves from worldly attachments to stay "holy". Yeah, I'm reading Eisenman 😅

It doesn't say they became one flesh yet.( It just says that is why man is supposed to marry woman.)They became one flesh after they ate the forbidden fruit and their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked. Before that they were like innocent children.

We are 'trees'. A woman (inside of us as a 'choice') has ALL the 'seeds'. This 'knowing' of God produces the 'fruits' which are the children, and offspring. This the 'virgin birth' is known. Paul WAS married, Ken (Johnson) explains and demonstrates this fact from a dead sea scroll document. By the way... grace and mercy are 'evil' that is used for 'good' as they are 'partiality' and something that is NOT supposed to be shown to man. Thus, saved by grace is being allowed to learn via our sins, bringing the teaching thru the rod, vs. blessing via the staff.

@iCupTV247

2 ай бұрын

You say you have a woman inside you? I'm trans, lmk if you need to talk about it 🙏🏻

@iCupTV247

2 ай бұрын

You say the god you worship is evil? That's Platonism. I'm a Gnostic, we can talk about that too 🙏🏻

@yishislassieswaiting4748

Ай бұрын

Dr. Ken Johnson (BibleFacts and at YT) is an expert who helps to translate and does publish DSS and ancient literature of the Hebrew & Messianic fathers

I get how this might be seen as a fateful text, but it is being overstating as its relevance is missed in Dr. Tabor’s reasoning. Paul’s discourse is in answer to a question, where he uses himself as the example. The need to validate oneself, especially if you do not conform to a norm, is part of normal human behaviour. Dr. Tabor is conflating the matters of Paul’s celibacy with his belief that the end was near. Paul was obviously celibate before he was confronted with the question he answers, and it would be a stretch to claim his celibacy resulted from his belief in impending doom. His suggestion that it doesn’t really matter whether you are celibate or not because the end is near is not connected to the reason he led a celibate life. According to the letter, he was celibate because he wanted to devote his life to serving God without distraction. But I can’t help notice that Paul being wrong seems to be the salient feature here, and that Dr. Tabor seems to be suffering from some sort of failed prophecy syndrome. The personal experience that resulted in Paul’s conversion is separate from his own beliefs that the end was near. And his own beliefs do nothing to weaken the truth in the Jesus story. Paul’s conversion does not imply he was remade perfect, or that he couldn’t be wrong about something. And Paul being wrong about something doesn’t make Jesus a liar. The point is Dr. Tabor is a non-believer, and he reads the scriptures as if they are simply the imagination of the people that wrote them. He believes for example that Mark used Isaiah to concoct a new story, and completely misses the possibility that Mark was actually reciting something that happened. About Paul being wrong, there is hardly anything new or surprising in it, and he wouldn’t be the first. Mark 12:24, are you not in error… And verse 27,… you are badly mistaken. And what should we make of scholars when they are wrong? For years scholars doubted the pool of Siloam even existed until it was discovered. Now scholars agree details given in the Bible ring true! But for the scholar who has stubbed his toe on the end-of-the-age question and when Jesus will return, my suggestion would be to start by first trying to correctly understand his message. Answering honestly why Jesus came, and what he said and meant might provide clues? Read just the following verses to get my summary on the why and what behind the Jesus story: Mark 12:29-31, Mark 10:5, Mark 7:8, Mark 7:13, Mark 11:17, and Mark 12:9. We may have the greatest thinkers exploring the deepest questions, but forgive me for asking then why scholars have become so lazy in using the gift they have been given to its full potential? Is Mark 13:30 referring to the generation of that day, or in the broader context of a new age? How certain are the scholars that they have interpreted the book of Daniel correctly? Are scholars certain about the 4 kingdoms ending with Antiochus? Have scholars overlooked the fact that we received the last prophet and his revelations in 610 CE? Did the vineyard change hands? Have the scholars ever considered that man himself has a role in all of this? Did Jesus ask that man give his faith blindly, or did he say he would perform great miracles so that the non-believers would believe? Have the scholars ever considered that Jesus’ message was as much a chance for man to decide his own fate as it was a chance at redemption? Has anyone ever considered what would have happened had Jesus been accepted as the Messiah instead of being crucified? Thy Kingdom come? Who is meant to do God’s will on earth as it is in heaven, God or man? Is it possible that man was given the chance to usher in the kingdom of God before an apocalypse does? Good teacher, please enlighten me…. What must I do to enter heaven?

I marvel that anyone can believe that the New Testament comes from God. Especially when comparing it to the Torah, the true word of God.

@quinnjohnson9750

2 ай бұрын

The Torah is as man made as much as the New Testament.

@motown7542

2 ай бұрын

In the New Testament, we learn how Jesus fulfill the law. In the Old Testament, we see how Jesus was prophesied. I don’t see how you can say that they were both man-made. Maybe you don’t even believe there is a God? Try reading Psalm 82, and or reading the unseen realm by Dr. Michael S Heiser, which James Tabor recommends. You can find this on KZread. The unseen realm lite version is supernatural seminar in several parts on KZread..

@quinnjohnson9750

2 ай бұрын

@@motown7542 I'm an atheist bro. To me the Bible is all made up nonsense.

@motown7542

2 ай бұрын

Proverbs 21:30 There is no wisdom, no understanding, no counsel that can prevail against the LORD. You will find many cross references to this verse.

@jdaze1

2 ай бұрын

Even the Tanak has corruptions. Jer 8.8.

I feel that you forget Gen. 3:16, where female sexuality is portraid as God's punishment for Eve's sin. In the extention of this, one could argue that under the new covenant, where God forgive our sins, women would no longer have to be slaves of their sexuality. That would fit quite well with what Paul teaches in 1. Corinthians.

Sorry to say, but James tabor the thumbnail is very dangerous.

Touching a woman is good. 😉. I suppose I get his frame of mind in writing those things. Obviously he really believed the end world come during his generation where heaven would return. Therefore, if such a thing was truly going to happen then why would I go searching for a wife or a girlfriend. The old things are passed away. Therefore the “good” factor of YHWH creating a woman for Adam no longer applies. I would also agree with the notion that single people, providing they are spiritual, are going to be more “in tune “ with the divine, whereas married couples have too many issues to contend with, children, jobs, mortgage, auto payments ETc. ultimately, this is a classic example of how twisted people can become by taking another’s word for things. One should never follow another man unless, unless there was divine articulate instructions from “God” that was made known unto all, and not private interpretation or revelation. After all, let’s not forget the private revelation that Jesus received during the dove flying around where it was only Jesus, and possibly John heard the voice, but no other heard anything.

its all onlyfans women out here, doctor help!

If everyone was celebate then there would be no children and eventual extinction. More reason to doubt Jesus was God or son of God.

Paul is telling people not to be caught with their pants down when Jesus comes back. Don't let Jesus walk in on you when in coitis entanglement. Doesn't Jesus know that anyway? Also, why would people living in Corinth be in distress over what's happening in Palenstine, a long way off? Corinthians wouldn't know anything about Jews befoe the diaspora, i don't think.

so much rubbish posing as religion. a good example of sacrificing the good for not being Perfect.

Genesis is a story of rebuilding, the rebuilding of earth 4.5 billion years ago when the adversary's minions destroyed the first Garden of Eden

@sentinaludo1489

2 ай бұрын

I agree Genesis is a story that is a guide to the soul to read, internalize and personify to learn and begin life in the material realm from a prior existence. Not sure how to arrive at at specific time stamp like you did, but once we understand and realize the Christ revelation in us individually, the eternal realms of the heavens are opened to us. We can then go into the heavens through the "Thura" and find rest for our soul. Then come back into this material realm, some bringing what we have seen and learned from the dimension of the spirit. Hopefully bringing your version of the gospel of Jesus Christ that you have experienced to a lost and hurting world that is in continual need of the grace of God and the renewal of life that Jesus Christ provides. Just a perspective.

@theomnisthour6400

2 ай бұрын

@@sentinaludo1489 The material realm is a sort of grad school for souls, where they are tested by Lucifer's university of Arts and Sciences and Lilith's dens of sin, iniquity, and corruption. If you think this will ever be paradise, you haven't seen how the sons of God and daughters of men have reformed the highest heaven lately

@sentinaludo1489

2 ай бұрын

@@theomnisthour6400 Interesting. I understand this dimension as a nursery for souls. Some are seeking ascension, some redemption, and some are remnants of greater beings that are trapped and have been banished from access to the higher heavens due to a rebellion against EL-Elyon. These are malevolent beings. Scripture is clear who these beings are, but most people don't understand how to recognize them or they think if don't believe in them they do not exist. And maybe ignorance is bliss here but as I understand it, there are not enough Archangels today that are of the order of Michael, like myself, to reveal the people who are the meat suits for these fallen celestial beings to push back against the forces of darkness. We are the killers in the realm of the spirit, and a greater reaping is underway. I have had several journeys into the lower realms of the heavens where I/we have been reaping dark souls off this planet. As one who has experienced physical death and a resurrection of sorts back into this realm, I have traveled into and interacted with the beings that inhabit the realms of the higher heavens and the lower heavens but I am not always able to be pro-active or engaged with what's going on. It is at times confusing being in these dimensions because I am young, but I do trust The Christ Spirit to teach and guide me in and through these realms. This is where real change occurs. And with EL-Elyon on our side, in the the body of Jesus Christ, this is the coming of the Kingdom of the Heavens upon the earth. And no ideology dogma, or man made conception or thought remains through the cycles of time. But His words remain, throughout all generations of His human creation So explain what you mean and understand as what the "Sons of God and Daughter's of men" have reformed the highest heavens into.

As any normal human being knows, the absence of sex creates a whole different kind of anxiety, which gets milked by the adversary's agents to work Tantric sex magic from sexual tension. Repressed desires only magnify childish narcissistic dreams, as anyone who's seen how most kids raised in strict religious supervision go wild when they go off to college. You cannot eliminate sin by hiding the urge. It will only manifest more strongly if repressed, exactly why so many priests and gurus become pedophile groomers, and the whole porn industry is targeted at normalizing deviant sexual behavior. Masturbation and fantasy are the least sinful way to indulge sexual desires, so long as kids are taught that acting on sinful masturbation fantasies often leads to mortal sin. If you can't control an addiction, you need to find a 12 step program and work on your darkness before it consumes you and invites demonic possession.

Better to not make a woman mad if you have to live with her or go on a long trip .

@motown7542

2 ай бұрын

My like is because I was laughing

@christopherm3271

2 ай бұрын

Gospel