I don't normally think of Paiste when I think of Jazz cymbals, but that Signature Traditional Light Ride is a thing of beauty. Wow!

@bveracka

8 ай бұрын

That was also my reaction. Paiste's typically too loud, wet, and washy for jazz but that one...yeah! What's great about Paiste is that each one sounds the same. Example: I buy that 20" Sig Trad Light Ride and you buy one too, both of our cymbals will sound the same (even overtone pitches). By contrast, two Zildjian cymbals of the same size and type can - and often do - sound very different.

This is a perfect video of comparing similar cymbals in a controlled environment. The only thing missing is the choice of sticks which has a HUGE influence on the sound. Choosing my favorite cymbal from these is like choosing my favorite child. Without hearing them in person, my preferred style of light playing would work best with the Istanbul Agop 20" Signature Ride. Thank you!

Absolutly fantastic drumming!!!!!!!👍👍👍

_Love_ your no-frills presentation and your focus on the cymbal without showing off. Also, playing consistently makes it easier to compare. What I learned; mainly that I should expand my horizons beyond Paiste - despite how nice that Signature Trad Light sounds - and that I still don't like Meinl. My favorite of these is _definitely_ the Agop 22 Trad Jazz, but the Paiste Signature Traditional is wonderful as well.

LIke the Agops, love the 20 Custom. My favorite ride is a K-con 20" medium thin low ride. Bought it 5 years ago and can't stop playing it. Great post! Extremely helpful!

Great video! I liked the Agop SE Jazz ride the most. Also the Mehmet Nostalgia 70 sounds really nice, I have the 24" version.

That was great u make them all sound good !!

Paiste Twenty series 20 inch. 2600 grams and a beauty 👌

Thanks! It’s always hard to process audio clips to the real world, many factors to consider past the recorded clip as well. I love that little riff you do, like maybe a 5 stroke between the bass & snare!

I really loved this comparison, cuz we can actually get that both Istanbul and Zultan make by far the less "Synthetically, or processed sound" thank you broh

Owwoooooolllll Theo Meinl Byzance Simmetry 22" perfect !!!!

The zildjian constantinoples are a higher form of cymbals, at least for me

@danielcoburn7696

9 ай бұрын

Zildjian’s are beautiful.

I liked your short, sweet and right to the point style. Playing the same thing over and over helps comparing too. The compression takes over hard though when the drums kick in. Nice work!

@pedrofrazao2096

6 ай бұрын

my thoughts exactly, all straight performance, no talking. also that strong ass compression :D

Ride cymbals have always been hard to shop for because they sound so much different in the mix compared to when you're playing alone. You hear more stick sound and fewer overtones in the mix - depending on your band and other factors of course. When I used to play gigs more, I had one set of cymbals for home and one set for playing out. I like drier cymbals more when I'm practicing. Also: Have flat rides fallen out of use in modern jazz? I had a 2002 Flat Ride when I was about 19 and it was weird but I loved it. PS: Sorry to double-comment but your video provoked me, lol 🙂

Hi guys, many thanks for the review and effort! But only one thing that would make it way nicer and accurate is using a standart jazz mic configuration with condenser overheads. It has a more realistic, accurate and open sound instead of this concentrated 'boomy' sound more for pop/rock. cheers!

Nice

Excellent comparison. Most of these cymbals are impressive. I prefer the Zildjian Constantinoples and the Istanbul Mehmet. They all have their own merits.

I’m surprised not one Kerope in this collection.

omg the Foundry Reserve is sooo nice

I prefer the fully lathed cymbals, they have more shimmer. Still dry but not too dry. The Jazz master, the K-cons and the Agop Trad jazz sound best to my ears.

Im fussy about ride cymbals. Every one you played I will be looking for. They all passed the ear test for the sound I like. But if I could only have one it would be Istanbul Agop 22 traditional. I noticed you only grabbed the Istanbul Agop because they ring till morning like UFIP. You certainly know how to pick em.

Just discovered Zultan through Thomann website. Crazy how good they sound for under $200 a ride. To me its like why spend $650 or aome crap

thanks

Istanbul Mehmet 20" Jazz Ride Turk is the one for me. I love the trashy and dark nature of it

❤

in my opinion this whole recording sound bad, it sounds unnatural and all cymbals seems unpleasant.

@jarenstrandlie8552

9 ай бұрын

I thought the symbol sounded okay but when he started playing the drums I realized there's a bunch of compression especially when you place the bass drum everything ducks and sounds like a madlib recording. Still a very useful comparison I haven't seen one with this many cymbals at once before

@LaBatteriePodcast

5 ай бұрын

​@@jarenstrandlie8552 the cymbals

What a nice Comparison; thanks. For me, Agop 22 trad jazz is the best by far, having very rich and well balanced sound. Zultan 21 sizzle has a bit weak but nice sound, I liked it also.

@bveracka

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely; I'm with ya. 👍 Listened to them all several times, and that's the one. Having been a loyal Paiste fan for years while playing in rock bands, I _wanted_ to love those Paiste rides but they just wash _so fast!_ Their Sig Trad Light Ride is definitely a nice cymbal though.

@euex

8 ай бұрын

🤘@@bveracka

@euex

8 ай бұрын

​@@bveracka By the way, mine (I have a 22 trad jazz) has a darker and softer sound, this one (at the video) has more ballanced and a bit brighther sound; mine is 2200 gr. and the 22 trad jazz at the video may heavier. I prefer mine. And, by the way, imho, agop trad "signature" is the most interesting cymbal for this category; but they must be at least 21 inc to show their charasteristics. And additionally I love paiste too and I agre, Sig Trad Light Ride at the video is very nice.

@bveracka

8 ай бұрын

@@euexThanks for the thoughtful reply. All cymbals made in the Turkish way have unique sound. The cymbals are slowly rolled and hammered from an ingot, whereas Paiste stamps a "blank" disk from a sheet of bronze alloy, _then_ lathe and hammer it. These two processes produce very different results. Because of the great variation in sound, whenever I buy a cast cymbal, I go to a music store to play it, or get it from a shop with good recordings/videos of each individual cymbal. Again, that's why I love Paiste because there is _very little_ variation in sound between their cymbals, but finding that one special and unique Turkish cymbal is awesome. 👍

@euex

8 ай бұрын

​@@bveracka I couldn't agree more!

Bosphorus Masters, Vintage master and SW!!

Zildjian all day long

I missed : Foundry reserve 22 24 , Big Apple 22 24 , agop 30th anniversary 22 24, K Con Medium thin Low and Light 22 24 … flat meinl 22 , meinl monophonic 22 , agop siganture 22 24 , Artisan Elite 22 , Artisan Light 22

I'd suggest you try UFIP Jazz Rides. Best cymbals drummers never heard of. They'll eliminate 90% of what you just tested.

Zultan raw😊❤

A test with a K 22, The rythmatist ride, Rugged ride from paiste, and a colorsound ride.. MYabe what and why te metal aloys from the cymbal what to obtain from those... pore ping, ? mor sustain mor shishhhh, retain or atack, or else.. and the hammering what does? it compress the metal so i fiugre maybe give more ping, more stick rebound, that also increases with the thicknes of the cymbal, more solid surfase les amortiguation

Sounds like the rides were clipping the overheads - very harsh recording.

weight agop sig 20?

Not a fan of close miking snare drum and bass drum when it's about demonstrating cymbals in particular ride cymbals ..above all jazz ride cymbals ! Take a closer look at the 'Memphis drum shop' videos so you know what I mean . Cheers

UFIP is all you need

Really poor Recording Quality for a Company Like Thomann

istanbul and others..

Too much compression!

Not ONE Bosphorus???? That ain't right.

@gabten6285

8 ай бұрын

Thomann doesn't sell Bosphorus cymbales. It's a Thomann top selling liste.

Why do this comparison and totally ruining the sound with enormous amount of compression?! 🤯impossible to here how they sound 😢

I’m grateful you’ve gone to the trouble of recording this. However it’s a bit disheartening as I like to listen to a variety of music, much with roots in Jazz but all these cymbals sound horrible . All there is is a loud start to the sound and then a blur of dystonic frequencies like a sonic assault by a wall. it’s not possible to play these things musically. it’s just continuous viomitous noise

you should hire a drummer to demonstrate those cymbals and close mic them it's really unlistenable as is

The drummer has a poor touch, he is banging on the cymbals instead of playing them. The cymbals are all very nice though

@llRoBoBinHoll

5 ай бұрын

He’s going through a lot of cymbals in a very consistent manner. He’s not exactly trying to create art here