Today we check out 3 different tips to improve your heel toe double bass skills. Get weekly Live Lessons at the Drum-Technique Academy: www.drumtechniqueacademy.net/

@MasQueVencedorEnCristo

4 жыл бұрын

A very humble video from a monster drummer.. I was there when he develope that double bass I believe he used the swivel technique as well always a solid dude never seen without a pair of sticks whenever he came to South Florida with Origin early 2000s

Them: “I got in shape over quarantine! What did you do?” Me: “I made my feet go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr”

@matthewstewart2228

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much... every drummers bane

@Imhotep_DrummerJones

3 жыл бұрын

perfect 😂

@liliIiliIilil

3 жыл бұрын

I normally don't like the "brrr" meme but it actually fits perfectly here, haha

3 months is a pretty dayum good trade off for 260 bpm

@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’m going on 12 years lol

@anakbaliti

4 жыл бұрын

Sold!

I was never a fan of doublestrokes but this kind of made me wanna learn it.. Good job Mr. Longstreth

The full lesson was excellent, John is a great teacher!! I always wished there was a platform such as DTA for extreme drumming after the Derek Roddy and George Kolias forums a long long time ago.Detailed clinics such as this where John deep dives into heel toe are totally more than I imagined . Love that you guys are making this information available to everyone! Cheers!

@drumtechniqueacademy

4 жыл бұрын

thank you salil - see ya at this weeks lesson with kevin 🙏🙏🙏

@jesserapkin2660

4 жыл бұрын

I came into the comment section to say the same exact thing. Thanks so much to Marthyn for making this happen. Playing in a band in high school in 95 and the guitarists say, just play like Sandoval and I'm like, I'm trying but it's not working. Almost had me quit playing drums all together out of frusatration and disappointment. Wish there were videos like these back then.

@drumtechniqueacademy

4 жыл бұрын

Jesse Rapkin 🙏🙏🙏

He's absolutely correct about repetitive practice for hours. Embracing mistakes and being a specimen

@ambrooks5

6 ай бұрын

I’ve been a guitarist for 20+ years and it’s really the same as learning double picking and gallops. It took me awhile but once I got it I could really develop speed and clarity. It just takes time to learn any technique. I’ll admit this heel toe technique is frustrating as hell lol

Great technique for people who tore their calf muscle like myself. I haven't been able to play single strokes for years without cramping up and was surprised at how comfortable this feels.

I love John, I used to hang out and talk to him every day while attending the Collective School of Music. Very funny and down to earth guy, always had some insight.

how lucky we are to get good drummers sharing exercices, thx a lot guys, take care !

Such great lessons, THe Drum-Technique Academy has become the go-to place for extreme drumming knowledge

This was the most helpful explanation on heeltoe doubles. I'm yet to learn it, but at least I think I finally got the idea. My first attempts to get this technique ended up in heeltoe alternate rolls, but not doubles (works great for 4-5 stroke rolls without triggers, but for speed with triggers doubles should work way better, considering they are so popular)

@lucasstrambi

2 жыл бұрын

feels exactly the same for me down here in brazil

Hi Marthyn ! First of all thank you a lot for your content, very very informative. You receive most of my all time favorites drummers so I've been following you since several months with great interest. Second, it's funny how I woke up this morning with an itch to try again the heel toe technique on my speed cobras. Luckily I was able to make it work this time with the help of some footage from you with Mr Morotti and Mr Longstreth. Got it to work first at 150 and now up to 190ish. Again, thank you a lot for your work sir. Cheers from France !

This is really good advice by john

Thank you so much! Feel like my double pedal skills are improving.

Cool lesson. Thank you for the two of yous

Una Locura esta técnica . En mí caso me ayudó muchísimo en mí forma d tocar y ni hablar d la velocidad . Saludos desde Bs. As. Argentina 🇦🇷

I don't trigger or use heel-toe; however, that joint between the pedal and hoop is definitely underrated. It's not so much flimsy drum risers - though that happens. It's more common an issue with drum rugs. Use thin drum rugs, don't stack rugs on each other, etc. If the house rug is too thick, I'll roll it up and remove it and lay down my own (which is thin). NEVER stack them on each other. Don't be shy about it either.

Dudes in his early 40s, he looks early 30s, what a monster of a player and a chill teacher with tons of knowledge too.

i do doubles as well and ive found that my technique works best when the kicks drum head is very loose and with heavy beaters. ive tried tightening the head as tight as possible and for some reason i cant do it well since the bounce feels very awkward. i also use dw5000s with the heavy beaters they bring at medium/tight spring tension. before the quarantine i couldnt go beyond 200-210 for too many bars but after taking a month or so break i can now go up to 230 240 and play for quite a few bars semi comfortably. hoping to reach 260-270 soon

John is rightly crowned king when it comes to heel toe but another drummer who I think is underrated in heel toe especially when it comes to control is Heikki Saari, would love to see him or even Kai Hahto (hes an awesome teacher)on DTA

@dulsrules

4 жыл бұрын

Trey Williams

@jamesjackson4210

4 жыл бұрын

@@dulsrules He would be awesome on DTA as well, although Marthyn has looked at his technique in a video before.... "who cares if im pregnant and I love drugs....... Fuck the baby let it die"

@nemanacemu2024

4 жыл бұрын

dulsrules trey uses swivel technique

@jamesjackson4210

4 жыл бұрын

@@nemanacemu2024 He uses doubles as well

Awesome:)

hey marthyn ive been following you since forever, youre the greatest teacher youtube, ive been playing heel toe for like 2-3 years now, and recently i joined a band that uses a drum riser , its a freaking pain in the ass to play in those that are shaky, i cant solve that problem and as john said, putting some plate or cardboard i didnt understand much about that, so if you could explain it please,other thing tht helped me a lot is the video with erick morotti , the segment where he said, full tension on pedals, full tension on drum head and stuck a lot of things on the bass drum cheers from mexico

Great video! I’m on day one!

You’re really good!!! Thank you for the video. A quick question. Is the heel toe technique bad for the knees?

Great Lesson, although I am a heel toe, double bass player and not an extreme player, I am happy within the 200-210 bpm range, I never quite understood how the play with the heel out of the footboard, specially for higher tempos. I use the whole damn footboard, and ii works fine but regardless, great lesson!

Love the mention of the Roddy forum lol.

Just wanna know if anything should be adjusted on the e-drum (min volume for example) that would help to make it smooth and clean

john is top 5 best drummers in the world .

Thanks for this! This video helped me to actually develop a functional heel-toe action in about a week. I'm still sloppy AF, but I am now on my way! It's one thing to practice the heel-toe alone, but when you take this "drop the heel when you want" advice, it changes your perspective a lot. And no, getting that upstroke to hit hard is not easy. Now I wonder how other pedals feel, as my Trick Dominator feels pretty heavy. I cannot currently even imagine getting doubles above 200 bpm, just based on the force required get a return stroke once the pedal once it is in motion.

@robertorosz2031

3 жыл бұрын

Trick Dominator is indeed a very heavy feeling pedal - I frequently have sore shin and calf muscles after a workout which would never happen on a Tama Speedcobra. Also once I disassembled it and the pedal board felt like 2 pounds LOL! To counter this I recently bought an ACD product called an R1 Bias Rod (upgrade for Trick pedals) which makes the compression spring feel more natural - not so much resistance close to impact. Also a very light beater with interchangeable weights such as the DW Control Beater can help you find the sweetspot with the pedal. Hope this helps.

@brandontyson6300

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertorosz2031 Thanks for the comment. I was aware of the guy with the springs on ebay, but not the ACD version. Will check it out. FWIW I am now comfy with heel-toe up to about 240 bpm on my Dominators. I really wanna try the Axis pedals as well, at some point.

Ahh i see an acd pedal...a man of knowledge and culture as well

Do you use a bit of hip flexors for the first hit? This is something i need to know because if not , i have to break that habbit early than having to unlearn later. Please reply, thanks

What I experienced: I‘m training the heel toe thing since Tuesday (now Saturday) and it tried to go fast just for fun. My right foot could already deal with the heel toe motion and the left couldn‘t so I played a pair of three strokes all the time. Also my Single strokes so far always looked like the heel stroke when I was going fast. So right now I am really focusing on getting the left leg in better shape and what makes sense to me is: Play 8 strokes heel up and then 8 strokes heel down to a) get both legs in kind of the same shape and b) to get used to the toe stroke. Unfortunately I am not playing 3 hours like John, so I‘ll have to be patient, as my progress will be slower, but I am looking forward to go brrrrrrrrrr until the end of 2022. Hope my experience so far helps some of you out there and keep banging guys!!! 🥁🔥🤘🏻

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power

Жыл бұрын

It's taking me much longer since I don't have a ton of time 3/4 of the year to practice, and while I more or less get the basic mechanics of heel toe, my feet still haven't quite figured out how to make the motions their own, and hown to _work together_ with it-- especially the left. They do fine together for singles, but when I try doubles 🤯🤯🤯 Then I would think it would be easier with long boards, but don't want to buy another set of pedals when I just bought not cheap Tama's a couple of years ago, and here I see John doing it clean and easily on pretty short boards with his shoes hanging halfway off, and I've seen someone else do that that too, so it's not the board length..... How's your progress 8 months later?

@ArturDrums

Жыл бұрын

@@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power the same for me. On practice pad it‘s working well already. On the kit it‘s working too but with a bit slower tempo. I hope I can nail it until the end of this year.

Do you have to use axis pedals or direct drive pedals to do this ? It seems harder on a chain drive pedal

I've heard this technique is easier on longboards but it should be doable on a regular pair of iron cobras right? Im really struggling though, really can't seem to get any heel stroke out as it would just hit the ground.

Would this technique be loud enough for bass drum without triggers?

As for instant speed, I actually was able to get around 240 BPM at least within a few weeks, 200-ish in a week. I would say though that I'm using a traditional pedal instead of a longboard (Iron Cobra), with the toe-stoppers removed. I've tried on longboards and actually find it very confusing to make doubles, so if you're keen on heel-toe doubles and having trouble, try a traditional pedal. I am very interested in how he did a press roll though. Can anyone tell me how press rolls work on the feet? I might have worked it out, but I'm not sure.

I learned this technique in the mid-'90s through a set of videos I bought from a guy called Joe Stronsick. He called it Ballistic Bass drums. They used to advertise it in the drums mags of the day. Was quite an expensive system

@Pantheonslayer

4 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah man i got a free cassette tape of his

@DrumGalaxy

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. And it worked!

@griinder

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, had completely forgotten about that!

Darwins!

Its literally like lifting weights, start slow and controlled. Add in plyometrics for speed. Develop strength and speed.

great lesson! May i ask if it is good to work on chain pedal such as pearl elimnator or dw3000,? thank you!

@karkarey

4 жыл бұрын

Check out Eric Morottis (Suffocation) heel toe lesson on this channel, he uses pearl eliminators for heel toe and is a beast at it

@RazeTheWeak

4 жыл бұрын

A TON of super fast guys prefer the eliminator belt drive with doubles.

That’s cool and all but what shoes are those

Excellent, thank you both! The only thing I would like to know is how the pedal-type is important to playing doubles at higher tempo. Currently and since 12 years (and still) playing the cheap Pearl 930 pedals and I'm thinking of getting a direct-drive pedal. Right now Doublebass up to 245bpm is my limit , but how important is the pedal for higher stuff with double strokes / learning doubles strokes for higher tempos? Or can you neglect the pedal, when the skill is thoroughly learned?

@kaiowens1616

4 жыл бұрын

The pedals just allow you to have slightly different techniques and foot placements. But they do not inherently make you faster in anyway. It is just a different feeling

@prema2524

4 жыл бұрын

Get an Pearl Eliminator :-) cannot make a mistake with that pedal and it really doesnt limit my 275bpm doubles :-)

at 7:30 he mentions slamming the heel for the first stroke, and that it‘s not a thing anymore - why? I still see some people that are doing this; is there something wrong with that approach to heel toe?

Got a question, is it normal if my knee hurts after practising heel toe? Like when playing for one hour or more. It only hurts when stop playing

@drumervara

3 жыл бұрын

The same thing started to happen to me when playing heel-toe and figured out the seat was too high. Try lowering it down a bit and see how it goes

I have a hard time trying to play double bass on my single chain pedals. Does direct or double chains make any difference or is it tha I suck at any tempo above 130bpm?

@derekkinney2277

4 жыл бұрын

So there isn't that much difference between chain and direct drive. Honestly, if you are not already an experienced drummer you might have trouble telling the difference. This doesn't mean though that your pedals have nothing to do with your ability to play them though. If you have the wrong pedal settings you can set yourself up for failure from the get go. Though you could also just be using the wrong technique for what you are trying to do as well. My technique at 120 is completely different than what I use at 200 BPM for instance. So there are many things that it could be, but neither or them is the single chain pedals or that you "suck" ;).

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I have no problem with that second note whatsoever! But my first note is absolutely non existent...how the hell are you supposed to get it? I’ve been working on this for years and I cannot for the life of me get it...very frustrating to see people do it so easily...I feel like my ankles are too floppy to get that first note or something

I'm having trouble getting my double pedals to match. I understand that slave lag is a thing, but I'm really having trouble making them match and feel the same...i can play them at a variety of settings...i just want them the same....advice please!

@crackers472

3 жыл бұрын

Is there a lot of play at the u-joints of the shaft? I had that problem and got the drive shaft made by Trick drums and it made a world of difference. Chances are your left foot also feels so different from your right because it’s much weaker. Focus on it more. Lead with your left foot like you normally would with your right.

@chrisellis5371

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks...i did get the trick shaft. Pedals function equally now...just have to find the right settings and practice now!

Whenever o try heeltoe i end up hitting both bassdrums at the same time, what can I do to fix that?

@ave0828

8 ай бұрын

Practice. Take it slow. Learn to lead with your left foot just for practice.

Is he wearing weightlifting shoes? Little grip, but hard flat surface...could help?

@lynjeffs

4 жыл бұрын

Adidas Sambas

@kthulu666

4 жыл бұрын

john also uses grip tape on his pedalboard.

I'm still having trouble with my left foot...it's lazy, so I'll play with my left foot but end up getting frustrated..what can I do to keep my morale up

@deangray5950

4 жыл бұрын

Try and remember that your favourite drummers probably went through the same struggles. If they don't stop, you don't stop :) keep practising man!

@ave0828

8 ай бұрын

Just tell yourself this.. if it was easy, you would see more people doing it. Not only is doing techniques to help improve your bass drum speed very hard to learn, but playing the drums in general is beyond one of the hardest instruments anyone can learn. Just feel proud you've learned all you have. Just be patient and always walk away for a few when you get frustrated. I've learned so much crap simply by walking away and thinking about it before returning to what I was trying to learn. Patience. Practice the simple things everyday and the bigger things will come just because of muscle memory 👍

Im confused, in another video you talk about how practicing double bass for hours will hurt your progress but here John said he practiced for 3-4 hours a day...

Doing the triples= how to play bleed by meshuggah

Direct. Drive.

How can there be do and donot. Everyone is different

A we see a slower version

Dude takes FOR...EV...ER...to make his points!

all talk about Technic but no mention about a pedal that cost a small fortune and is super fast ,a cost most of us cant afford

@scottbrowne785

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is kind of BS. It might be harder to do doubles on a crappier pedal, or take longer to develop, but it will come. Secondly, if you are obsessed with drumming, then you just put the time in, save 1 year, save 2 years, or however long it takes to buy the pedals of your dreams, and then take care of them. Its that simple. You don't become a drum god overnight. You gotta be obsessed, and for a long time. Or you hang out in mediocrity (lol that's where I am).

He must not have a day job to devote that much time to one skill. I do and need an alternate practice method (even if it means longer time to develop) to try. Does Drum-Technique Academy offer this?

@ma-tn7lz

4 жыл бұрын

Ross Gillis he’s a professional drummer. He still probably has some side hustle. You practice as much as you can. Minimum should be an hour a day, and that could be just double bass alone. Drum academy offers a way for you to have focused and efficient practice which is ideal especially when you’re in a time crunch

@Rockin_Ross

4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding. Most drummers I know are not pros and just can’t devote that much time in a day like he does to one skill. But we can chunk up our day with lessons geared for shorter time spans. Thanks for the feedback.🤘🏻🤘🏻

@MasQueVencedorEnCristo

4 жыл бұрын

Ross Gillis hi not to go against your wisdom but what works for me is get into the kit work it make it work and then practice it in the air. You don’t need to be on the kit to work it 4 hours but practice it 30 mins and the rest you can air drum it it has help me keep my 210bps for the years 😎 one day I will afford the trigger kits to hear myself at 260bps

Umm... he's not playing even at all?!

heal toe is just "double bass" for fat people. change my mind.

@drumzn432hz

2 жыл бұрын

Check out "Ballistic Bass Drums" by Joe Stronsik. That will give you a functional, proven technique. I learned from him. I can do all rudiments and then some.

@brianmclaffin

2 жыл бұрын

@@drumzn432hz Can't find that video. Only see a couple videos by that dude, the guy wearing the duck feet?

@drumzn432hz

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmclaffin I looked up Ballistics Bass Drums. I saw Joe w/yellow shoes. He's demonstrating his multiple pedal technique. I scrolled down further, saw his multiple course offerings. He uses 6 or seven pedals. I use 4. 2 double bass pedals, the other 2 are remote hi hats. I have a video under Marvan Palmer on KZread that's around 20 seconds. I'm doing A reversed Swiss Triplet that I made alternate (which it doesn't do) using a reversed Flam Tap. I have another video 16 minutes, I demonstrate how to build up to it. Heel and toe works, I began playing traditionally, but changed up. I can do things you've never heard because of the number of hi hats plus the technique. Hope you find something to Interests you.