I find it funny that the grom has his own version of the sisters of averlorn and can give goblin archers explosive arrows

@ultraranger1286

5 ай бұрын

An Asur Sister of Avelorn: We train for centuries, even thousands of years. Mediate in the tranquility of Gaean Vale to achieve the pure of heart that can let us wield the sacred Bow of Avelorn. Goblins: We eat shrooms.

@martinsantiago7962

5 ай бұрын

If anything the sisters are overrated because you have goblin archers doing the same being a lot cheaper to both recruit and upkeep with more models, so more arrows and still work into the late game. This is some level of knife-ear bias that is untolerable.

@farmerkade2632

5 ай бұрын

@@martinsantiago7962 goblins are good for destroying formations, they don’t have good damage unlike the sisters (also the dragon crossbow for Cathay ror have a similar ranged attack)

@jackh7977

3 ай бұрын

What's so hard about this game is actually choosing which lords campaign im doing next. Rattling guns made me buy this game but now I'm doing Eshin and it turns out there's more than just skaven

The weakness of the guns is definitely minimized for the Chaos dwarves. Most enemies are taller than them so you can shoot over them. If you find a good spot with a small hill to defend, nothing gets to you. Loved that campaign

@DioSatyaloka

5 ай бұрын

lads, should this comment go to the book?

@MalcadorTheSigilite

5 ай бұрын

​@@DioSatyalokaNo these guys are Chorfs

@Shedovv

5 ай бұрын

@@MalcadorTheSigiliteYes. They are. It should go to the Book TWICE!

@MusMasi

4 күн бұрын

short?

"Oh boy i cant wait to play a Slaanesh campaign!" 15 sisters of avelorn ready to instakill my lords in a single volley:

@sethanpayne6324

2 ай бұрын

That’s why you vassalize mommy Allarielle and outpost her ass and take her sisters

@person4436

16 күн бұрын

Oh boy I can’t wait to play a tomb kings campaign! The 10 irondrake squads, gyrocopters with brimstone guns, thunderers, quarrelers, grudge throwers at turn 10 insta-killing everything in my army:

@ineednochannelyoutube2651

19 сағат бұрын

@@person4436 OK, let's head on over to Naggarond with Katetp to stay away from Thorek. *there are still dwarves* and also armor-piercing Darkshards with shields that can't be fired back on without experiencing a 55% missile block chance.

@person4436

10 сағат бұрын

@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 with settra, this is not much of an issue, but with khatep the missile spam against you is actually horrible

For #5, it is worth adding, that if you play Ikit (Clan Skryr), your Ratling Gunners get infinite ammo.

I feel like high elf base archers deserve at least an honeroble mention for their strength per cost, availability and usefulness throughout the entire game. Also as someone elready mentioned, warplock jezzails are clearly missing 🙂

Little sad not to see regular dwarves on the list at all. But then again they’ve needed and update for years.

@Flopzalot

5 ай бұрын

It's okay, quarrelers are crazy good in the early game.

@alexcebollero

5 ай бұрын

Everybody is gangster until miners with blasting charges show up. The amount of value those guys get is insane for a unit you can recruit from a tier 1 settlement

@lightworker2956

5 ай бұрын

@@Flopzalot I guess, but dwarves are still a defensive faction with very limited manoeuvrability and offensive options. Logically they should have the best ranged in the late game too, but they don't.

@Flopzalot

5 ай бұрын

@lightworker2956 Yeah, dwarfs should definitely have something good. They have good weapon teams, and pretty good artillery, but you pretty much just run quarrelers for the majority of your ranged in the endgame, which doesn't feel great.

@justicarthalak1111

5 ай бұрын

@@Flopzalot I actually use irondrakes a ton in the late gams mostly for thematic reasons, I don’t really play above hard for battle difficulty.

before the patch 4.1, akshina ambushers were the best ranged unit in the game with its range = calibration distance, means that they were perfectly accurate at maximum range with 65% of its damage being AP and its natural stalk skill... you could only hit it when you saw it and you'll probably be dead before you could think of flanking or gettin in melee with them. oh, and they had 32 melee def instead of 26 today.

@rohan0724

5 ай бұрын

Kislevite chads

Dragon crossbows get huge buffs in campaign and with ying Yang bonus get DP in the high 70s + the shields they are far better than sisters in terms of DP output, they are the best standard range unit with the exception of the hugely forge buffed Chaos Dwarfs blunderbuss and infernal guards fireglaves

Warplock Jezzails = best range units in the game.

0:57 I AM going to find a chocolate teapot.

Im pretty sure Sisters of Avelorn dont have explosive projectiles, and Waywatchers have generally performed better since game 2, after the Sisters got their first nerf. Not to mention Waywatchers can kite for days, 40 speed, 360 firing arc, fire while moving, more damage per volley despite fewer numbers.

@timknight2834

5 ай бұрын

Sisters make the top 10 but are certainly not nr 1

@MegaNever2010

5 ай бұрын

Oh yeah for sure top 10, but they lost their number 1 slot back in Warhammer 2 with a bunch of nerfs.@@timknight2834

8:58 the projectiles are not explosive. They just have an effect on hit, that's all.

You forgot to mention peasant bowmen with pox arrows, the true MVPs of Warhammer.

@joelrasdall7662

5 ай бұрын

It's tough to "objectively" rate value, like damage-for-cost, but if that's a factor in a top ten list then they are phenomenal.

Ratling guns and jezzails are at the top they are just broken especially if playing ikit

I just started playing this game and it’s so addictive

I allways like how you do this showcase battle very tematic, Dark Elves vs High Elves, Vampires Coast vs Lizardmen, Cathey vs Tzeench, etc.

Reject bows and arrows, embrace gunpowder and warpstone! The best unit type in the game imo. Love storms of arrows and bullets just raining down on enemies.

Considering you added the Leadbelchers and Mortars, im surprised no Ushabti Great bows.

Ah yes I remember shades in any flavor completely carrying me back in Warhammer 2. I haven't had the urge to play dark elves in 3 since the economy nerf, but good to know they haven't fallen off. Only thing I noticed missing from the list was poison wind mortars are fantastic, but can't do jack to single entities or non-infantry.

Good list. I am a little surprised chameleon skins, Ushabdi or Shadowguards did not make the list.

After the Skaven (namely Skyre), Sisters of Averlorn, Chaos Dawi and the Akshina Ambushers (pre-nerf) in the last handful of DLCs I am more than a little concerned for what the future holds in terms of ranged power creep. Sure I love using all these tools but they just make the older factions feel more and more underwhelming.

The Skaven snipers are way better then the Sisters/ushaptis with great bow also beat them, sadly i have to say i rly like them

@SonOfHashut

5 ай бұрын

I was going to say something like this. Was surprised the Jezzails weren't number one because they are OP

@joelrasdall7662

5 ай бұрын

I think of the jezzails as more crucial than my ratling guns for sure. I want both in an army, but the jezzails are the ones that will do the really important work for me.

Kislev's newest ranged troops have been ridiculous

GUNNERY MOB! my favorite voiceline of the game

no trollhammer torpedoes? WAZZOCK! Also ushabti with bows kick some serious ass

I think Ice Guard are pretty underrated

Waywatchers are number 1 for me, big damage isn't the only important thing for a unit.

Ranged units have 2 really big weak points. 1. overwhelming them with units that cost far less 2. disrupting the formation. Third is that terrain can sometimes be exploited (e.g. make use of forests /hills). but yeah vs certain armies and on certain terrains ranged can feel a bit overpowered.

right off the bat... the water glitch. The QA in this game needs way more attention.

Very good and helpful video. Pls make more video about every unit type. But how could shades nr8. Shades can reach range 215 and missile str 45 İf you choosed correct buffs for army hero. You can also use shades greatswords for flanking. And melee attack and defence are not bad for a missile unit. They also have impact armor piercing and advantage for infantry. Shades deserve higher place my friend.

A hint tho: Warpfire Throwers have the highest per-shot damage potantial against infantry out of all ranged units in the game.

Honestly Cathay’s peasant archers deserve an honorable mention. The amount of kills they can rack up in the early to mid game with a nearby Yang unit for the front line is utterly ridiculous. The near constant shower of arrows makes up for their inaccuracy and medium damage. Hell I fought off 2 chaos dwarf armies with 15 archers and 10 peasant spearmen and the dwarfs barely scratched my front line.

What about ushabti great bows?

@ItachiUchiha-69

5 ай бұрын

I was going to comment this, like you just replace your normal archers with them and they’re devastating.

Ratlings don't seem that strong to me anymore, I'm surprised they are in any top 10 list, they are amazing support and having 1 just to suppress for the other range is amazing but their damage is incredibly low now. I'm surprised the irondrakes abusing fire debuff is not there, a single unit can solo an entire army and put legendary lords on the grave in 2 volleys

Wow I knew Sisters had decent combat stats but I didn't realize they are actually better than Celestial Dragon Guard in melee (other than armour.)

The sisters never worked in melee for me and are easily hurt by enemy range attacks. I don't have much luck with them. At least their doomstacks work in Auto-Resolve^^

im never a fan of the ratling gunners mostly because of that line of sight issue, i find they really melt cav though that they are good at, but agaisnt infanty unless you put them in harms way they just dont do much for me. but warpfire throwers on the other hand oh boy do they impress, around the same range they have a slight arc to their shots so can shoot behind the line and they just melt anything they hit

@ErikaWeiss633

5 ай бұрын

To be fair, the weapon team doomstack is very micro intensive since you have to have: Artillery (Plagueclaw), mid-ranged artillery (Poison Wind Mortars), SE Snipers (Jazzrails), wave/army clearers (Ratlings), and then the lord and heroes that spam vermintides to buy time. So yeah, once you get a ratio of WTs, Arty and Heroes that suits you, you can absolute 1v4 entire armies if you play your cards right.

more like best unit combos in the game as a next video

Ok my question is. Did the crossbow unit for Kislev from the Shadow of Change DLC get nerfed because I swear at one point he swore by that unit and they didn’t even make the list.

@nukinhunter8275

5 ай бұрын

They got hard nerfed. Their melee stats were lowered to barely be a hybrid unit amd their ap values were switched. They now do primarily non ap dmg.

@timknight2834

5 ай бұрын

Yep big nurf in that they l swapped the regular and ap damage stats around

@JimmyBoombox

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, they got nerfed hard

What i personal find interessting is that the zombie handguns shot more or less the hole time not as dwarf or empire handguns their shots every model by the coast handgun it is more or less a rain of bullets, i like the rain more. What is better burst or constant damage?

What about streltsi from kislev? Arz they good?

Can someone explain to me what is up with ratling guns missile strenght? I know that are good, but 288 against Avalorns 22 feels like insanity! I get that a lot of their "shots" fly way ovet the heads of normal infantry, so would they clear dread saurian 10x faster if it was sitting almost on top of ratling guns?

@jonathanbonicel1654

5 ай бұрын

The damage of a ranged unit is calculated as damage done per second. Since rating guns have a very fast rate of fire, their damage over a second is myvh higher than sisters

@masaheimoi

5 ай бұрын

@@jonathanbonicel1654 nope it counted per 10 seconds.

How good are the Kislev Ice Guard?

For the sheer joy of "GTFO and don't come back" it has to be Dawi Ironbreakers - those satchel charges demolish anything - and Ironbreakers get multiples so anything - and I mean anything - that charges them will get a very hot reception...

The Dragon Crossbows look like they forgot the latrine.

Dwarf miners with blasting charges are by far the best missile troops. Absolute travesty that they are not on here.

How could you not have bugman rangers on this list easily one of the best ranged units in the game.

Lothern Seaguard with shields

My favorites are the Crane Gunners from Cathay

I do like all your choices here. I am slightly surprised shadow warriors. They opperate much like waywatchers but less vulnerable with a little more armor and martial prowess.

@MC-yt1uv

5 ай бұрын

The problem is that while they are technically slightly better in melee than Waywatchers they still won't do well. Either unit getting caught in melee is a bad situation. And Waywatchers with their much higher AP ranged damage are much better at the role they are supposed to serve. Waywatchers will shred pretty much any unit in the game. That being said Shadow Warriors are still very good, even if they fall off a bit against high armor targets.

@sassyviking6003

5 ай бұрын

@@MC-yt1uv eh, I tlremwmber them being reasonably close to sisters in melee ability, so yea, they don't want to be their but it is less punishing to slip on micro. At the archer role waywatchers are strictly better, no doubt, but Shadow warriors still make a baller doomstack. Especially if you're Alith Anar for that offensive ambush stance and shadow walkers.

@MC-yt1uv

5 ай бұрын

@@sassyviking6003 Oh yeah, they are definitely also very good. And I don't remember off the top of my head but I think Alith Anar can get Shadow Warriors very early and Shadow Walkers before the non-Avelorn factions can get the Sisters. Giving Alith Anar very strong early game armies that can stay relevant late into the campaign. Plus, I forgot that Shadow Walkers got a bonus vs Infantry. I would still put Sisters above them because of better defense, and Waywatchers because of better AP. But, the Shadow Walkers are better than I remembered.

I am missing some waywatchers ^^ even if I think gunpowder is the way to go

I feel like people don't get the skaven gatlings in Warhammer 2 i was winning battles against dwarves and brittonia with 700/800 rats.

*Shakes fist in Ushabti Greatbow*

No high elf archers?

Can you do best units for autotresolve?

@Zapper1993

2 ай бұрын

Any dwarf.

@piotrektomek9006

2 ай бұрын

@@Zapper1993 minus slayers but fair enought

wait where are kislev's ice guards?

No Jezzails or Death Globe Bombardiers? *Sad rat noises*

Shocked Warlock Jezzalles didn't make the list, those thing turn monsters into swiss cheese

Infernal guard should be number 1 imo. You can get them to RIDICILOUS levels with castillans/skills/ and the hell forge. Their only downside is not having an arched arc, but when a single unit can wipe out a unit in 1 volley, it doesn't matter.

If only the Huntsmen had armor piercing :(

While I respect your vampire coast pick since it is insanely cheap to recruit I feel if any vampire coast unit belongs on this list it needs to be deck gunners. They're the same as lead belchers but cheaper and imo better since Vampire Coast gets bonuses to ranged infantry like reload time and gunnery wight abilities. I feel you should take unto a consideration the effects a faction and it heroes have on the units when making such lists.

Infernal ranged units are OP af, four units can volley most lords / generals I've faced. I love it!

@gottagofastest

5 ай бұрын

That's why power creep exists

Do the melee infantry and monstersss

Vanilla dorf needs some buff, dammit!!!

Um... Akshina ambushers?

No Irondrakes ?! That's going in the Book!

No Streltsi, no Ice Guard, no Akshina, no Chameleons, no Tzeentch units. The list is ridiculuosly subjective.

I feel like this list should either not include ANYTHING about lord skills or availability in campaign or it should be included for every unit. Also, Celestial Dragon Crossbows are WAY better than this list acts like when you account for how many buffs they can get in campaign. Seriously, they easily outclass Sisters in my mind. Shades with Greatswords similarly are amazing. Shoot a single volley into a chaos chosen and they will win that fight in melee after that, absurd unit. If we factor availability though then Chaos Dwarf Blunderbusses win no contest, with High Elf Archers, Darkshards and Zombie Handguns being close behind.

There is no explosive dmg on sistera of avelorn. Just visual effect.

Sentinels of Astaril?

It is quite funny, but skaven's jezzails will annihilate EVERY unit from this top) Besides stealth-archers maybe.

I'm old enough to remember from WH2 when they were almost useless.

No Jezzails?

No jezzals?

Where is Kugaths Great Unclean One, they are the best unit in the game by far. They have 2 of each Spells of Nurgel per Battel for Free. 2 of them with a Lord can defeat 3 -4 AI armies at once. They are at least 3000 Nurglings better than any other unit in this game. I understand that u have to w8 for a long time for them to be able to be recruited but they win any battel for you. They can even get better with the -50% enemy Spell resistance plague and an offensive plague on their side.

I still think thunderers deserve a spot here.

Jezzails shouldve been here ngl

gazelle?

Me, watching this knowing full well who is number one.

And jezzails? that is the most broken ranged unit in the game, or are you only considering multiplayer?

For me, it might just be Warp-Grinders - while for some reason classed under melee infantry as a ranged weapon team, they do some damage AND their abilities are just turbo broken. Especially against my counter to being outnumbered to half tanky infantry and half OP ranged units of baiting them into forest and then smashing their backside by my hidden fast units. - I had to play 1 battle 3 times because 1 unit of those rats did 40K dmg to my infantry in 20 minutes after I managed to just kill half of their models before they got out of my reach and survived 2 manticores I sent and kept directly on top of them + plus constantly clicking them by my infantry and heroes who were in their melee range. I don't if they are that hard to hit but I only managed to kill only a few of them after they got to the jungle and absolutely shredded my mostly 140 armor high defense stats infantry, just by 1 of their 2 active abilities while all other ranged units they had did few hundred dmg and their 2nd highest dmg unit had like 5K...

This was a fun list.

Crane gunner where? Where crane gunner such wow

Funny how in tabletop, ranged units were the worst units to use as they did nothing.

wrong, its warplock jezzails

The fact that the sisters of avalorn surpassed the fireglaves frustrates me

@Tom_Cruise_Missile

5 ай бұрын

Regular dwarves get totally fucked lol

I think sentinels of astaril and waywatchers are way better than sisters of avelorn. Sentinels has better armor melee defence anti large silver shield, shield breaking and low fire rate doesnt hurt them thanks to insane high range. Waywatchers yes, most powerful archer unit if you good at macro but sentinels and sisters are more easy to use

@ErikaWeiss633

5 ай бұрын

One of the reasons the Sisters are excellent is how cost effective they are. For the price, they are rather solid, especially with Magic Resistance being changed to Spell Resistance. Now their Magic Damage is actually worth it with the only issue being going up against Flame Resistance. Sentinels of Astaril are good though.

@berkeylmaz9870

5 ай бұрын

@@ErikaWeiss633 Yes both unit very solid I using them in my same campaing and difference between them doesn't make huge difference unless you fighting against etheral enemies or silver shielded ones

Unlike for no jezzails XD

Bone giant clears

Lol top 10 list of tanged units with jezzails missing. If u see previous videos jezzails beat every single ranged infantry unit in the game. They have shield, they re precise and have near artillery range.

You forgot to mention the peasant archers from bretonnia. And free company militia while we're at it

Surprised to see Akshina Ambushers not on this list. They are similar stat-wise to the Vampirate Hangunners (more expensive but better defense), but with the addition of vanguard deployment and stalk.

@Lephim_

5 ай бұрын

i mean its probably for the reason he said, that they're dirt cheap and you can spam them early in your campaign and are easily replaceable. yes the unit you're talking about may also be very good, but are they dirt cheap and easily spammable early game? probably not

@kademorrill7334

5 ай бұрын

Pre nerf they would have definitely deserved a spot, they're still good but not very cost effective when compared to this list

@Ichorizor

5 ай бұрын

@kademorrill7334 I didn't realize they got nerfed, what got changed? I only got the DLC over the holidays.

Where are the sylvanian crosbowmen in the list?

@tvs5941

5 ай бұрын

Why should they be there?

all dlc units

This man ignored humans from the golden order with golden boy himself he can max out bullet damage and armor pen and you’ll watch rows of gun men just delete anything without high missile defense that you can stright up max out the damage and over charge damage that the game can’t calculate it anymore I’ve seen guns only play through anything that not highly risist to missile damage just delete.

really? No chameleon skinks? They can take down WAY better opponents than they should be able to, are relatively cheap, are only counted by very fast calv or chariots, poison, easily buffed to be one of the most survivable units in the game, plus if you're on Oxyotl then you can equip them with downright broken ammo types. To me they're top 3 for the fact that skaven you have to kind of position and ratling guns really only shine through with Ikit klaw and a proper setup. These little guys work on damn near any army. Honestly I think you should give them a try. Anyone who plays multiplayer knows the nightmares these little guys cause.

Range infantry are not overpowered range infantry are superior. You might have noticed there no melee formations in 21st century warfare, because range is superior.

I dont think that gunpowder units can be top tier. They just really bad in some terrain and in sieges they are awful to play. And waywatchers are better then sisters. They have stalk they fire while moving back, better range, better accuracy.

Lmao no jezzails, bad list

Shade and Celestial Dragon make the list but not the 200+ kills per battle, Lord sniping warplock jezzail? Also Fireglaive are trash compared to Blunderbusses, Bro need to stop pretending he play something else other than Khorne.