Top 10 Games that MURDERED other Games

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Tom Vasel, Sam Healey, and Zee Garcia take a look at games which were so good they replaced other games.
00:00 - Introduction
03:48 - Sam’s #10
06:02 - Tom’s #10
06:52 - Zee’s #10
08:21 - Tom’s #9
09:45 - Zee’s #9
11:10 - Sam’s #9
12:27 - Zee’s #8
13:59 - Sam’s #8
15:30 - Tom’s #8
16:43 - Zee’s #7
17:58 - Tom’s #7
18:58 - Sam’s #7
20:53 - Tom’s #6
22:17 - Sam’s #6
24:45 - Zee’s #6
26:13 - Sam’s #5
28:13 - Zee’s #5
30:11 - Tom’s #5
31:30 - Sam’s #4
32:57 - Tom’s #4
34:26 - Zee’s #4
36:35 - Tom’s #3
38:00 - Zee’s #3
40:33 - Sam’s #3
42:16 - Zee’s #2
43:20 - Tom’s #2
44:35 - Sam’s #2
48:16 - Zee’s #1
49:43 - Sam’s #1
50:50 - Tom’s #1
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  • @zbrox7174
    @zbrox71744 жыл бұрын

    It's been 5 years, I'd like to see this list re-visted

  • @nshaw1299

    @nshaw1299

    3 жыл бұрын

    space base killed machi koro since then...

  • @revimfadli4666

    @revimfadli4666

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nshaw1299 unless you consider the "cute standout minimalist artstyle" niche, along with "monopoly-like theming"

  • @nshaw1299

    @nshaw1299

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@revimfadli4666 I meant, for Tom Vasel Space Base killed Machi Koro since this list, but I don't if it would've made a newer top 10 'games that murdered other games'... Though now, with Machi Koro 2, I don't know where he's at. No review on Machi Koro 2 yet, and it looks nore interesting. Not sure if it's different compared to base Machi Koro+expansions.

  • @dhowes

    @dhowes

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes.. Refresh the list!

  • @Theonlynamenoonehas
    @Theonlynamenoonehas10 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you guys back together. I have to say, the onscreen chemistry between you is a pleasure to watch. I always feel better after watching Zee, Sam, Tom and their banter!

  • @cheesecakenl1980
    @cheesecakenl19808 жыл бұрын

    Great Top 10 guys. This not only helps out me picking up some new games but you also did it with a lot of flavor :)

  • @Atlasfilms08
    @Atlasfilms087 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see a redo of this list in 2017.

  • @Thorkwin70

    @Thorkwin70

    6 жыл бұрын

    Atlas Filmä.ä Ä Ö

  • @unclemay6648

    @unclemay6648

    6 жыл бұрын

    me too.

  • @CzaristMatt

    @CzaristMatt

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think they're probably sponsored now, so I doubt a new version of this list will get released anytime soon.

  • @NotJustATad

    @NotJustATad

    6 жыл бұрын

    Make it so!

  • @xshadowscreamx

    @xshadowscreamx

    5 жыл бұрын

    Now for 2019

  • @kallanda
    @kallanda10 жыл бұрын

    Zee was amazingly hilarious in the first couple of minutes. Look at his expressions! :D

  • @necrotoaster94
    @necrotoaster9410 жыл бұрын

    BTW you guys should totally do a "Top Ten Games that Need House Rules"! :D

  • @robertmoffitt1336
    @robertmoffitt133610 жыл бұрын

    Very entertaining & enjoyable, you guys have a really good chemistry going, keep up the good work! The best part is seeing the "friendship dynamic" that comes through in your vids, very refreshing! Hope that never changes!

  • @Indubitably14
    @Indubitably1410 жыл бұрын

    Top 10 card games...How could you not have done this yet? LOL

  • @styxxrivers7576
    @styxxrivers757610 жыл бұрын

    These are great video's Certanly make me aware of alot of game that are out there. Video length is great. For people wanting shorter video, just use the skip ahead video bar. Thank guys. Looking forward to your next one.

  • @hngongstring
    @hngongstring10 жыл бұрын

    Thanks guys. I know I asked for something like this and you delivered. I really appreciate it.

  • @rollerkas
    @rollerkas10 жыл бұрын

    Zee, Tom & Sam. Your chemistry together is really entertaining. I can say from experience regarding Citadels, playing Citadels with 6+ people is eye opening and drags a little unless playing with a really fun & vocal group.

  • @kiwisoup
    @kiwisoup8 жыл бұрын

    I definitely agree that some games render older games obsolete by improving upon them, but I think there's a general notion that if you take a popular game and add more rules and mechanics to it, that it's somehow better. I'm glad to see their lists didn't always fit this way of thinking as there are many games I enjoy over others because I don't always want such a heavy game.

  • @billjensen51
    @billjensen5110 жыл бұрын

    I enjoy these lists you make. Keep it up.

  • @TheKindredblades
    @TheKindredblades10 жыл бұрын

    NICE!!!! I'm really looking for your next top 10 guys, in my gaming group, we're almost always 6-7 players so there is a lot of games we can't play often

  • @jzw0004
    @jzw000410 жыл бұрын

    This video makes me want to play games with Zee Garcia because he has so much fun and is quite witty! Love the attitude and theme of this video!

  • @forteetugames
    @forteetugames10 жыл бұрын

    Totally agree with Zee on the house rule for Witch of Salem! Great game with bucket loads of foreboding doom and awesome thematics. This one will definitely kick your butt. Just don't follow the rule about not revealing the door tiles.

  • @Indubitably14
    @Indubitably1410 жыл бұрын

    Han didn't shoot "first". Han shot. Greedo died.

  • @meechibell9602
    @meechibell96027 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I did a lot of LOL... loved it, thanks! :)

  • @godmonkey23
    @godmonkey2310 жыл бұрын

    I'm only 3 minutes in and Zee already has me in stitches with sight gags and pantomime.

  • @Trae_Lenox
    @Trae_Lenox7 жыл бұрын

    Interesting to see how 7 Wonders has risen from the dead to make people sell their copy of Among the Stars.

  • @ChronosZero86
    @ChronosZero8610 жыл бұрын

    I kinda chuckle how people are like "the videos are too long!" or "I dont have time!" and most if not all of those people will sit in front of the tv and watch for hours.

  • @TheDeathOfLucifer

    @TheDeathOfLucifer

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm watching TV while I watch this and doing dishes

  • @brockh4422
    @brockh442210 жыл бұрын

    Not only was this list an interesting topic and informative, but these puns and "murder" theme throughout the list was amazingly funny. Just "oozing" with theme. :p

  • @1971JohnnyC
    @1971JohnnyC10 жыл бұрын

    I played Dixit for the first time a couple weeks ago and said the same thing about the Apples to Apples comparison. Dixit was a lot of fun.

  • @Darkwolfpocco
    @Darkwolfpocco9 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU SAM! Starfarers of Catan is one of my favorite games of all time.

  • @scarletovergods
    @scarletovergods10 жыл бұрын

    47:26 "Agricola replaces Caverna" ..thats a bold statement.

  • @Rich711
    @Rich7119 жыл бұрын

    Dominion can be played by people all ages 10 to 100. There is no way grandma & grandpa are going to sit down and play a game so heavy in nerd fluff like Thunderstone with the 10 year old but Dominion they play all the time.

  • @DarthSironos

    @DarthSironos

    7 жыл бұрын

    True

  • @jeandeguise2210

    @jeandeguise2210

    7 жыл бұрын

    Since I have no Grandma and no kids, I'll prefer Thunderstone :p

  • @dsr15
    @dsr1510 жыл бұрын

    this was a really good one, thanks!

  • @way9689
    @way968910 жыл бұрын

    How about a top 10 games that can be made far better with one or two house rules or top 10 games that need house rules to play

  • @okfoodies
    @okfoodies10 жыл бұрын

    Tom... you have to show more of what these games look like. I wanna see more then just the box! great job with the Dice Tower!

  • @shallzlive
    @shallzlive4 жыл бұрын

    an updated 2019 version of this woud be awesome!

  • @egonpax

    @egonpax

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed!

  • @necrotoaster94
    @necrotoaster9410 жыл бұрын

    I love the long Top Ten lists not just for the lists but for the camaraderie between the presenters. :)

  • @MunchhausenPL
    @MunchhausenPL10 жыл бұрын

    I was always agreeing with Zee, but now he jus broke my heart. Escape! is a game and a great one.

  • @Twineandribbon
    @Twineandribbon9 жыл бұрын

    LOL you made me laugh really hard when you said Arkham horror had been killed by Yahtzee. Not what I expected. :)

  • @mydemon
    @mydemon3 жыл бұрын

    This pink drink is my absolute favorite soda. Also, it would be nice to get a redo of this list :)

  • @damuisamir
    @damuisamir10 жыл бұрын

    Great review guys, found it very useful.

  • @AirinSA
    @AirinSA10 жыл бұрын

    While these picks were not all agreed upon, it was still a very helpful list! Thanks for posting!

  • @NerdIncorrect
    @NerdIncorrect10 жыл бұрын

    Escape was replaced in our group by Space Cadets Dice Duel. Same intensity with a better mix of stuff to do. Plus it lasts longer than 10 mins before having to reset everything.

  • @nshaw1299
    @nshaw12993 жыл бұрын

    so what is the ultimate Catan killer in the end? Is there such or did it just fade and better games arrived for different separate aspects within Catan?

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards24573 жыл бұрын

    This theme has legs: It will always trigger energetic debate, there are always lots of new game killers, and we players are Interested: More of this for 2020 please!

  • @Novasky2007
    @Novasky200710 жыл бұрын

    enjoyed watching this countdown even though I have played only a couple of the games mentioned.. So this was more of a future shopping list for me

  • @Evac156
    @Evac15610 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. I had been curious about Agricola, because I had seen many good reviews, but I'd never had a chance to play it. After seeing this, I'm thinking I can scratch that from my "to try" list, and just go straight for Caverna. Likewise, I had been curious about all three, Citadels, Libertalia, and Mission: Red Planet. Considering that you've all replaced Citadels, and MRP is virtually impossible to find, looks like Libertalia is on the list to try. Thanks, as always.

  • @SamHealey6

    @SamHealey6

    10 жыл бұрын

    Mission: Red Planet is getting a reprint...so don't write it off just yet!

  • @silase.quester3519
    @silase.quester35199 жыл бұрын

    I realize this videos like 9 months old, but for me, now, I feel like Legendary Encounters: Aliens murders Marvel Legendary Deck Building Game. They're very similar, but with the tweak of having to scan rooms for aliens in Legendary Encounters just adds so much to the game. Most of the time you don't know what you're scanning. It could hurt or even "kill" you or it might be that object you needed to finish an objective. It adds a lot of suspense just by having the cards be face down. Plus. It really hits the flavor of the movie Aliens really well, where Marvel feels lightly comic book-ish (to me at least).

  • @johnjack7376
    @johnjack73769 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Sam Healey for succinctly describing my contempt for Dominion. I've tried on several occasions to play Dominion, even the different expansions and couldn't be more bored with the single mindedness of that game. Some people like it, I didn't.

  • @TorIverWilhelmsen

    @TorIverWilhelmsen

    9 жыл бұрын

    I recently played Dominion (with random decks from practically all the expansions) and the one advantage it has is that since the game is so single-minded, theme-less and well-known, turns practically fly by - there is not that much you can do (one action, one buy, discard and draw) unless you play cards that let you draw and play more cards. Compared to some other deck-builders it's practically turned into a filler.

  • @TerranFabricator
    @TerranFabricator10 жыл бұрын

    Personally I've never had an issue with longer games, though having only played Arkham Horror once and never playing Eldritch Horror I can't say which I'd prefer though I do plan to give Arkham Horror and proper run through this coming weekend where I'll have to learn the rules and teach my friend. But on the subject of long games I ended up playing a 10 hour long game of Talisman 4th edition a few weeks ago and it was awesome. ^_^

  • @lwtrimere
    @lwtrimere9 жыл бұрын

    Stone Age and Settlers of Catan are not even the same sort of game.

  • @commandercody1078

    @commandercody1078

    7 жыл бұрын

    lwCoyote Yeah, I have Catan and liked Stone Age well enough that I've tried to buy it. Catan is a dice-based building game with a strong social aspect that comes out in the trading and robber placement. Stone Age is a pure worker placement game, with player interaction limited to spot denial. For much of the game it's almost a multiplayer solo experience. Both are excellent games but they are too different to "replace" each other.

  • @markcalvinhollett

    @markcalvinhollett

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@commandercody1078 I think Catan with sea farers is the best version.

  • @smoothcriminal28
    @smoothcriminal2810 жыл бұрын

    These dudes are just awesome. Love watching their videos.

  • @lucipherify
    @lucipherify7 жыл бұрын

    For me nothing replaces Citadels! A small fit-in-a-pocket game which could be played by 8!!!

  • @Plainbear
    @Plainbear10 жыл бұрын

    I would suggest "Top 10 Gateway games" or "Top 10 games for 6 and more players"

  • @matthewsims3806
    @matthewsims380610 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see a top ten list of the best games with a short play time.

  • @filipkevely
    @filipkevely10 жыл бұрын

    You guys really role-played this list. Boom!

  • @Aba19xx
    @Aba19xx6 жыл бұрын

    Make this TOP 10 one more time :D, more up to date :).

  • @ameliabeeedelia8241
    @ameliabeeedelia82417 жыл бұрын

    is there a video where you guys compare spin off games, like there's 3 different versions of 7 wonders, 3 different settlers of catan, 3 Dominion. those were examples, idk how to phase this request

  • @kajohns007
    @kajohns0079 жыл бұрын

    What was the version (or expansion) of Settlers did Sam say he would play? I couldn't quite make out the second one...

  • @22dodgethis

    @22dodgethis

    9 жыл бұрын

    Kenny Johnson I think it was Starfarers of catan

  • @angewomon143
    @angewomon1438 жыл бұрын

    Really getting into boardgames lately so i love your lists

  • @GarrettPetersen
    @GarrettPetersen7 жыл бұрын

    9:07 "Diplomacy has that historical flavour, which disappears almost immediately because you're attacking---England can attack Turkey for no reason at all." I realize you were just searching for any old example here, but have you not heard about the Gallipoli campaign? England attacked Turkey for no reason at all in 1915.

  • @MindinViolet

    @MindinViolet

    6 жыл бұрын

    WWI just doesn’t make much sense in general. I guess world leaders like attacking each other every so often.

  • @jmadmaxx7295

    @jmadmaxx7295

    5 жыл бұрын

    Turkey, or the Ottoman Empire, was allies with Germany and Austria-Hungary at the time, Britain was at war with Germany and Austria-Hungary

  • @geektome4781
    @geektome47818 жыл бұрын

    Ashes, Rise of the Phoenixborn replaced Magic: The Gathering. I first played Magic: The Gathering in 1994, longer than many current players have been alive. I love MTG. But I really enjoy the game mechanics of ARP. With the magic dice there is no real issue with being mana-screwed (or mana-flood) and I think it is a great mechanic. I also enjoy the use of the spellboard. I like having different Phoenixborn characters with their own unique abilities and characteristics (similar to Android: Netrunner). I like passing the round back and forth with a single main action and an optional side action--it adds a lot of strategy to the game. And the game is fresh enough not to have the issue of power creep that is a major problem in MTG. And it's a LCG-style game so you don't need to take out a second mortgage to afford all the cards needed to keep up. There is nowhere near as much diversity of cards in ARP, but it's a new game and I expect that to improve as time goes on. I stopped playing MTG because I simply couldn't afford it anymore. But I am very happy with ARP.

  • @YakovPetrovich
    @YakovPetrovich10 жыл бұрын

    Looks like someone made a little mistake at 47:26: "Agricola replaces Caverna" ;)

  • @KabukiKid
    @KabukiKid10 жыл бұрын

    I always dug Diplomacy... and thankfully, I never had a game where one player was quickly wiped out. Always had good fun with this one, but have seen people get way pissed. lol

  • @searose6192
    @searose61924 жыл бұрын

    “Kuh-knifed” 😂 😂 😂 I’m using that one!

  • @Steve-L
    @Steve-L9 жыл бұрын

    I watched this awhile back, but came back to comment. When I played Deadwood and liked it, and found out about Carson City, I was very interested. Took awhile to get it played. I had a 2 player game and knew quite quickly the game needed at least 3. So I refused to make any judgment until I played with at least 3 players. It took even longer to get 3 players, but liked it so much played another game right after with 4. An awesome game, better than Deadwood. I can see why Tom Vasal was perplexed when Sam and Zee said Deadwood replaced Carson City. Both are great games, and Deadwood is simpler, but Carson City is awesome and doesn't need to be replaced. I think Bang! gets a bad rap. If you choose your expansions properly it won't be a long game. We often finish a game in about 1 hour. If you use High Noon and/or A Fistful of Cards you set a kind of "doom track" in game length. Also if you do not use the Shadow feature of Gold Rush, you shorten the game as well. People want to use it to eliminate player elimination, but you gotta accept it in this kind of game, besides I offset this with 2 cards from High Noon and Fistful of Cards with the cards "Ghost Town" & "Dead Man". Dead Man allows the 1st player eliminated to come back, thus its not so bad, as it only brings back 1 player, and the 1st one out, so they don't feel they got the wrong end of the stick. And Ghost Town brings back everyone, but only for just 1 turn. BTW, sometimes these cards don't even show up, and most games end before we reach the end of this deck! I usually put in 12-15 cards in this deck. We have only reached the High Noon card 2-3 times! I also want to say the other half of Gold Rush speeds the game up because it encourages players to shoot other players, even their own team mates, to get gold. So I use this half of that expansion only. I don't own or use Wild West. So the use of the expansions I share here, helps and does not hinder the game. I also want to add I have lots of Bling for my Bang, which creates even more theme which everyone loves! And while I am not a country fan, I did gather themed music for the game, songs like the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I really believe playing Bang! this way will fix most problems people have with the game, but it won't fix disinterest or dislike of mechanics such as player elimination. I own and have played Ca$h n Guns 2nd edition now. I thought it was okay, but it does not even come close to Bang! A couple of people in my extended family, I think, like Ca$h n' Guns better than Bang the Card game, not that it replaces it. As for Bang! the dice game, it is a great game but it will not replace the card game. I think the card game is better, probably for a few reasons. One, I prefer board games over card games, I prefer card games over dice games. Two, Bang! the card game is so darn fun in the way I have it tweaked, and especially using all the bling I have. Just sitting and playing the game with family has created fun times and memories, its a blast. Don't get me wrong, we are gonna play the Dice game, we love it, everyone said it doesn't replace the card game (not just me) but is a different fun game.

  • @z2a4k
    @z2a4k10 жыл бұрын

    I love you, more videos like this pls:). This episode top ten wos so funny :)

  • @simonzhong1804
    @simonzhong18047 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see this video redone for more recent games.

  • @sebastienzander5593
    @sebastienzander55939 жыл бұрын

    That Citadels hand of cards with all the roles actually makes sense. It would instead be played like Mission Red Planet. (I think) There wouldn't be a need for a first player, so instead the King would 'summon his subjects' and get cards back and the game would last 8 or 9 rounds depending on the number of cards used.

  • @pandagram
    @pandagram9 жыл бұрын

    47:25 There is a mistake because caverna replaces agricola.

  • @Splattercat
    @Splattercat10 жыл бұрын

    It's true though. We've played Bang! a lot, but haven't played it since getting Ca$h&Guns. We played Ca$h&Guns at Tabletop Day even and Bang! was present. :)

  • @LoftOfTheUniverse
    @LoftOfTheUniverse9 жыл бұрын

    The Dice Tower are you guys gonna do the top ten deck building games? I think that would be cool!

  • @fnord3125
    @fnord312510 жыл бұрын

    Stone Age replacing Settlers is silly. I'm not really a fan of either game, but the core gameplay of Stone Age is worker placement... the core of Settlers is trading. There is NO trading in Stone Age... they're entirely different kinds of games.

  • @bandgeek58965

    @bandgeek58965

    10 жыл бұрын

    I think he meant that Stone Age replaced Settlers as an entry-level game to teach to new players.

  • @fnord3125

    @fnord3125

    10 жыл бұрын

    I didn't get that from his comments, but if that's the case, I guess I could understand it.

  • @psbauman

    @psbauman

    10 жыл бұрын

    Eric McGuirk No, he said it has the same feel and theme but plays better. Which makes no damn sense.

  • @fnord3125

    @fnord3125

    10 жыл бұрын

    Paul Bauman Yeah... definitely not the same "theme" as the titular "settlers" have definitely progressed beyond the "stone age." I guess maybe it has the same "feel" to him, but they feel pretty different to me...

  • @SamHealey6

    @SamHealey6

    10 жыл бұрын

    Let me help clarify, gents... First, I...LOATHE...the trading in Catan. At some point in the game, it usually devolves into some kind of forced stalemate until the newbie at the table thinks he can finally jimmy a deal with someone and sneak out a win, and gives the guy in the lead the last resource he needed to finish the game with the win. And good luck "trading" anything if you're in the lead, for pete's sake! So, no trading in Stone Age is a BONUS! Second, in both games you roll dice for resource production. Difference being in Catan, there is no mitigation for bad luck (you get what's rolled and ONLY what's rolled, and if you're in the lead, here comes the robber EVERY TIME it's rolled), whilst in Stone Age there is a rather decent level of mitigation on the rolling (how many workers you send out), and dice rolling isn't the ONLY way resources can be gained...BONUS! Third, both games have a SIMILAR theme in that they are both involved with building up and expanding fledgling societies. I don't give attention to the fact that this happens in seemingly separate ages (or, rather, that one seems to be based in a fictitious land, and the other on a time period in earth's history). So, I hope that this helps it make more...sense...to you now. In the end, Catan is dead to me. The ONLY Catan that I will readily play is Catan Geographies: Germany...but even then, I'd rather play Stone Age to scratch that same itch.

  • @Runehorn
    @Runehorn10 жыл бұрын

    Quite the entertaining top 10 list

  • @steviev2504
    @steviev250410 жыл бұрын

    Whoa Sam, the name calling! ;) Totally agree w/ you about Dominion; thou Trains is what I love now... I like the deck building plus the area control. And yes... I love Stone Age... I keep Settlers only to please my causal gamer friends, and it was my doorway into the wonderful world of board gaming

  • @slydog75
    @slydog758 жыл бұрын

    Replacing Catan with Stone Age... they aren't the same game... They have similar themes but the mechanics are completely different. odd choice

  • @FSCB2013

    @FSCB2013

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Adam Hostetler Not really. I think they have gone for a similar feel for the player. Simply put, in both games you are collecting resources in order to build things. The method that you collect resources is determined by die rolls. Only the mechanics of the die are very different. In Catan, you may go rounds without collecting any decent amount of resource purely because of die rolls. I have had this even when having settlements on the 5, 6 and 8 tiles. In Stone Age a similar thing can happen (unlucky die rolls) but you control the risk you are willing to take on a roll by allocating more meeples to a position. You might still bust and get 1 or even no paltry resources, but you should get more with more meeples. In this regard, Stone Age is a better game because the dice mechanic is arguably better. You are not purely relying on a random number generator to determine whether you get some resources or nothing at all. I have always thought of the dice mechanic in Catan as being similar to Monopoly. No choice or mitigation. Simply roll and do what the dice tell you ie give out resources. The rest of the game is somewhat similar. Rather than racing to 10 points, you are racing to highest points by finishing off the purchase of hut tiles and/or cards.

  • @revimfadli4666

    @revimfadli4666

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@FSCB2013 that's the similarity. The big difference is Catan's trading. And spatial structure building, to an extent. Those contribute to the feel as well, especially the interaction, politics, & dynamic supply-demand associated with the trades. Can Stone Age be better in that regard? Does it even have anything with a similar feel? Did you include it in the "rest of the game"? Catan's settlement placement still has more mitigation/agency than Monopoly's dice-determined property "placement", since you can choose where to put them, which one to upgrade, etc, which is more than zero mitigation, albeit weakly. Trading also mitigates it somewhat(provided the dice don't give you nothing to trade with). But yeah, Stone Age's WP is even stronger mitigation & control

  • @shimmercore
    @shimmercore10 жыл бұрын

    I was about to go and purchase Agricola this weekend but you guys have made up my mind to wait and save up for Caverna instead. It looks like an awesome fun game.

  • @justinpyle4151

    @justinpyle4151

    10 жыл бұрын

    I haven't played Caverna yet, but the very things they criticize Agricola for in the video are things that many people, including me, love. I like the variety the cards provide in Agricola. I also enjoy the tension provided by the scarcity of food. Without those I do not understand how Caverna is anything more than everyone sitting around playing solo games of "Let's build my farm, and dig out my cave".

  • @erendrake

    @erendrake

    10 жыл бұрын

    Justin Pyle the cards in caverns are replaced with the increased number of room tiles that you compete over. I love this change, it makes it easier to teach and less like solitaire

  • @maurolazzara1852

    @maurolazzara1852

    10 жыл бұрын

    Justin Pyle Agreed. Agricola is fun, because it's a tight game. I was going to buy Caverna, played it once, and quickly deleted it from my wishlist. If I want to play Caverna in the future, I'll just pour water on Agricola. Loads of it.

  • @ninajiron5488
    @ninajiron54883 жыл бұрын

    "Everyone loves Apples to Apples when you first teach it to them." Ooh, no. I never really cared for it at all. Now Dixit, Dixit I like.

  • @arekkrolak6320
    @arekkrolak63203 жыл бұрын

    Ok, let's see how Thunderstone replaces Dominion - Thunderstone #694, Dominion #98 - somebody was dreaming perhaps...

  • @benaemmer6208
    @benaemmer62087 жыл бұрын

    There is a typo with Zee's number two when it is listed going into number one.

  • @DemonmachinE
    @DemonmachinE10 жыл бұрын

    For me, Agricola took the best elements of both Caylus and Puerto Rico, so it kind of replaced those, but I wouldn't say I'll never play them again. I DEFINITELY will play them again because they're amazing games.

  • @StefanoPProductions
    @StefanoPProductions10 жыл бұрын

    I'm probably the only person in the world who still prefers "Bang!" over "Samurai Sword" and "Bang: The Dice Game". Anyhow, great list. Can't wait for the next one.

  • @kau6912

    @kau6912

    10 жыл бұрын

    'Bang! The Dice Game' is too short - some games last barely one round. 'Samurai Sword' just drags on and on, and the theme sucks. 'Bang! The Card Game' *can* be a good game, but NOT with the existing rules.

  • @MortalP

    @MortalP

    10 жыл бұрын

    I also prefer Bang! over the dice game. Especially if you add in the Death Mesa fan expansion. It removes the frustration of dying early.

  • @Steve-L

    @Steve-L

    9 жыл бұрын

    Su Pi I think Bang! gets a bad rap. If you choose your expansions properly it won't be a long game. We often finish a game in about 1 hour. If you use High Noon and/or A Fistful of Cards you set a kind of "doom track" in game length. Also if you do not use the Shadow feature of Gold Rush, you shorten the game as well. People want to use it to eliminate player elimination, but you gotta accept it in this kind of game, besides I offset this with 2 cards from High Noon and Fistful of Cards with the cards "Ghost Town" & "Dead Man". Dead Man allows the 1st player eliminated to come back, thus its not so bad, as it only brings back 1 player, and the 1st one out, so they don't feel they got the wrong end of the stick. And Ghost Town brings back everyone, but only for just 1 turn. BTW, sometimes these cards don't even show up, and most games end before we reach the end of this deck! I usually put in 12-15 cards in this deck. We have only reached the High Noon card 2-3 times! I also want to say the other half of Gold Rush speeds the game up because it encourages players to shoot other players, even their own team mates, to get gold. So I use this half of that expansion only. I don't own or use Wild West. So the use of the expansions I share here, helps and does not hinder the game. I also want to add I have lots of Bling for my Bang, which creates even more theme which everyone loves! And while I am not a country fan, I did gather themed music for the game, songs like the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I really believe playing Bang! this way will fix most problems people have with the game, but it won't fix disinterest or dislike of mechanics such as player elimination. I own and have played Ca$h n Guns 2nd edition now. I thought it was okay, but it does not even come close to Bang! A couple of people in my extended family, I think, like Ca$h n' Guns better than Bang the Card game, not that it replaces it. As for Bang! the dice game, it is a great game but it will not replace the card game. I think the card game is better, probably for a few reasons. One, I prefer board games over card games, I prefer card games over dice games. Two, Bang! the card game is so darn fun in the way I have it tweaked, and especially using all the bling I have. Just sitting and playing the game with family has created fun times and memories, its a blast. Don't get me wrong, we are gonna play the Dice game, we love it, everyone said it doesn't replace the card game (not just me) but is a different fun game.

  • @elementalsigil
    @elementalsigil10 жыл бұрын

    Hey Tom you need to fix the number two summary screen before Zee kills you. You have that Agricola replaces Caverna.

  • @JoaBelgium
    @JoaBelgium10 жыл бұрын

    I'd very much like to buy Fury of Dracula, but it's sadly enough out of print. I'm hoping it comes back soon, though.

  • @nerzenjaeger

    @nerzenjaeger

    10 жыл бұрын

    Try trading it on boardgamegeek.com. Even harder to find was the German edition of the game, but I was lucky and found someone willing to trade this gem of a game to me.

  • @Hisdudeness9500
    @Hisdudeness95008 жыл бұрын

    Item #3 on my bucket list: Spend an day in that room with you three and just pick random games to play off that shelf (except risk).

  • @jeremycook576
    @jeremycook57610 жыл бұрын

    I want their "backdrop" in my living room. So many games!

  • @MathewUtting
    @MathewUtting10 жыл бұрын

    Both Steam Park and Escape: The Curse of the Temple are excellent games. I agree with Tom, they're in different spaces. One's a co-op and the other's not, one's a 10 minute tense ride, the other is a 45-60 minute euro punctuated with hasty rolling. Both are very good gateways though.

  • @TrackerRoo
    @TrackerRoo5 жыл бұрын

    Should do a top 10 western themed list because everyone loves the old west.

  • @Nightsorrow1
    @Nightsorrow110 жыл бұрын

    I have to agree with Tom on the Carson City matter. Carson city it's a game, a great one (especially with the expansion), dreadwood i played two times and thats enough.

  • @kau6912

    @kau6912

    10 жыл бұрын

    I traded my copy of Deadwood away. I disliked that dice combat, where "6" is an automatic kill....booo......

  • @Masteroogway40
    @Masteroogway406 жыл бұрын

    Hey, a while ago my parents brought some games up from my grandpa's basement. They were all kinds of games there like the original life, bubble attack or something like that where you push a bubble down with dice in it and it makes the dice pop. Green ghost and Masterpiece. We ended up playing Masterpiece and actually really liked it I thought it was a lot of fun bidding on Art and some of it being fraudulent. Or forgeries. I wondered if you could do a video of top 10 for each of you three, your top 10 board games that are over 40 years old let's say. You know the kind of board games that your parents would have played when they were in high school or college. Say games that came out before 1980. I would like to see that, top 10 board games that your parents played that are still fun. Out of curiosity with those are any of those board games that are from forever ago have any of them been replaced by something else? Like masterpiece?

  • @kewlito
    @kewlito5 жыл бұрын

    Please make an updated version of this video

  • @hdemarcellus
    @hdemarcellus10 жыл бұрын

    47:26 The leaderboard says, "Zee: Agricola replaces Caverna" LOL! Classic!

  • @wayner396
    @wayner39610 жыл бұрын

    love the intro music so much

  • @ryanahr2267
    @ryanahr22677 жыл бұрын

    God, Resistance. I love that game, but I agree that it's far too easy for the game to implode thanks to one awful player. Last time I played, myself and one of my other fellow spies were running that game, but the other spy, a girl who had never been particularly bright, completely blew up the great game we had going. I have rarely gotten that angry at a board game.

  • @DeltaAirbusFlyer
    @DeltaAirbusFlyer10 жыл бұрын

    Escape has the most tension EVER in a game and steam park is nothing like it. Also, here's a few you guys missed..... Xwing minis game shit down wings of war in a dogfight. Mage wars murdered summoner wars in an epic duel. Descent 2 killed every game in the genre to a bloody pulp! Just a thought, great video guys!

  • @TheRASDEL83
    @TheRASDEL836 жыл бұрын

    Re-Watching it in 2018. Would love to see a new version of this list. That said, I still prefer Bang! The card game to Samurai Sword or the Dice game (haven't play Shadow Hunters though). I always wonder if Zee and Sam think original Bang! is bad (which I agree) or Bang! with all the expansions which I think its great. Bang the card game is getting even a NEW expansion this year... so even though I know i am in the minority... it can't be that bad if they still support it... right?

  • @yair1010
    @yair101010 жыл бұрын

    I thought that GoT is the quintessential replacer of Diplomacy..

  • @sra12100

    @sra12100

    10 жыл бұрын

    I agree. There's no more of a direct descendent to Diplomacy than the wildly popular GOT.

  • @mattrondeau2

    @mattrondeau2

    10 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU! For mentioning it

  • @christophersmith8316

    @christophersmith8316

    10 жыл бұрын

    Possibly not for the reason Tom gave - being nasty and long. Apparenly GOT adds a bunch of theme that Diplomacy mostly lacks. But the little I heard about GOT is that it is kind of long too.

  • @madeinfrance06

    @madeinfrance06

    10 жыл бұрын

    love got , do house rules , 2v2v2 its so fun too XD , or even original way

  • @EyalItsik
    @EyalItsik10 жыл бұрын

    Chaos in the Old World vaporized El Grande for me

  • @Rhiga
    @Rhiga10 жыл бұрын

    Thank you guys for keeping the caps on your drinks! :D

  • @CopperLontra
    @CopperLontra10 жыл бұрын

    I'm looking forward to the top 10 6 player games. My group is always whineing about how games are either 2-5 or 7+ like Werewolf.

  • @TheECP

    @TheECP

    10 жыл бұрын

    The Resistance is 5-10 players ^_^ Also Settlers of Catan has a 6 player expansion.

  • @TheGrooves

    @TheGrooves

    10 жыл бұрын

    "Cosmic Encounter" has expansions to up to 8 players ( if I remember correctly ). "Rex" is for up to 6 players. Same as "Game of Thrones" and "Exodus: Proxima Centauri"

  • @Jorge857

    @Jorge857

    10 жыл бұрын

    King of Tokyo is 6 players, 7 wonders is 3-7 Players, Shadows Over Camelot is up to 7 players

  • @Alawatakima
    @Alawatakima5 жыл бұрын

    Get that 2019 redo! :D

  • @TzarinaMystra
    @TzarinaMystra10 жыл бұрын

    I agree with Z that Dixit replaced Apples. I'm not a big "Say Anything" fan. It's fine, but I love Dixit more.

  • @TheVosack

    @TheVosack

    10 жыл бұрын

    I agree. Dixit is much more fun than Say Anything. The only downside to Dixit (I have Journey) is the small number of picture cards. But the game is still a blast.

  • @dwarftoken
    @dwarftoken8 жыл бұрын

    Settlers of Catan Cities and Knights still an awesome game to get people to lave board game. Played the first time in Germany in 2000 and still enjoy playing once in a while.

  • @Ghi102
    @Ghi1028 жыл бұрын

    I played in the same night with my friends, Werewolf, Avalon (which I find slightly better than Resistance) and then Secret Hitler. We both loved Secret Hitler a lot more than any of the past games. The only thing I miss from werewolf though are all the different roles. In Avalon/Resistance and Secret Hitler, everyone only has 2-3 roles at most and it isn't as diverse as werewolf. One game I really want to try though is One Night Werewolf. It's like werewolf but all in one night. So you get all the awesome different roles of the werewolf game, but the game doesn't drag. There also exists apps to narrate the one night werewolf game so the "Bad werewolf narrator" thing doesn't happen.

  • @ziggywillibouch7416

    @ziggywillibouch7416

    7 жыл бұрын

    parrot

  • @Bordelll
    @Bordelll10 жыл бұрын

    Funny too see how you think all in different ways in compairing games. (Not sure how to described, Theme, Game mechanics)

  • @jeffstehman6984
    @jeffstehman698410 жыл бұрын

    I clicked like at "Replaced by kitchen knife." :-)

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