Electricity is everywhere to be harvested. I love the idea of de-monopolizing energy!

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Solar and wind are a scam tho. You can literally put a pole in your yard and get energy from the atmosphere and the planet. Tesla proved this in Colorado. This is also the reason he was killed.

@bartl.7390

3 ай бұрын

The industry HATES THE IDEA. Keep that in mind.

@Brian-uy2tj

3 ай бұрын

I believe it is Florida where Koch industries is building a solar power plant and Koch bribed some politicians to pass a law that PENALIZES homeowners for producing more electricity than they use. Basically if you put any electricity into the grid you will be fined $100.00 that month. They don't want any competition.

@Gunter_Custom

3 ай бұрын

I almost read " The industry hates the Ikea" ...😂😂​ @@bartl.7390

@spirodjurdjevic5111

2 ай бұрын

@@bartl.7390 and government not just industry. Energy, food, and water and you are basically independent.

We just installed a solar fence here in Tennessee USA near Nashvillle.

@freeheeler09

3 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

@robertfonovic3551

3 ай бұрын

Why? Does your house not have a thing called a ROOF ?

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 Location the key for solar. South west facing vertical could be better than a roof.

@seppwurzel8212

3 ай бұрын

In Germany most people are nay-sayers and say "aaaaw PV is so uggly! so we cannot build it"

@seppwurzel8212

3 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 What "why"? Are you like dumb or so? Guy wants to build a fence. Guy sees PV is cheaper than traditional fence construction material. Guy makes fence out of PV - in addition to his roof top PV.

Anybody on the Octopus Energy Agile tariff in the UK has had the most incredible day today, being paid to use electricity from 10:30 am until 4pm, the same thing happened last Sunday, and it is happening again tomorrow.

@chillfluencer

3 ай бұрын

...could be the way to establish universal basic income...since AI, robots and automats are nabbing our jobs away in an exponential manner.

@petethebeat48

3 ай бұрын

I also enjoyed being paid to use as much electricity as I could for 5 and a half hours during the middle of the day yesterday (Saturday) with Octopus energy. If I had a heat pump I would have switched it on and air conditioning to wast some more. To my knowledge, It was the longest consecutive less than free electricity I’ve had on the Agile tariff since joining in July last year. Fantastic stuff Octopus, keep up the good work. Not so sure on the solar panel fence though. Solar panels have a long way to fall in price before they get to £50 for a 6’ slot in panel. Even if they do eventually get that cheap, they won’t produce much, if any power with the bushes, trees and other general flowering plants casting shadows on the cells. Not to mention having to wire them up in the neighbor side of the fence.

@seppwurzel8212

3 ай бұрын

Octopus energy is nice. max. 20 cents/kWh for EV loading during the night while the average price for electricity is around 26cents/kWh.

@anyuone

3 ай бұрын

I joined Agile 5 days ago & the day after I joined, I charged the car & the house batteries & got PAID £1.09…

Looks like solar panels are not just a power source anymore, they're becoming the newest trend in home decor! 💡🏡

@manjunathh5750

3 ай бұрын

But they look dreary and depressing tho. Dystopian dark facades and fences

As someone who is going to have to replace his rotting wood fence, a solar fence is starting to look pretty good.

@robertfonovic3551

3 ай бұрын

Rubbish.

@alex.velasco

3 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 Nice try, troll.

@ttkddry

3 ай бұрын

yes... add some more e-waste to our planet...

I just had a 7m aluminium slat fence installed. Materials cost $3250 and labour was just under $1000. All up that’s about the cost of a 4kW PV system. Think I may have chosen the wrong material 🤔

@happyhappynuts

3 ай бұрын

How good are those slats though, look amazing

@MarksElectricLife

3 ай бұрын

@@happyhappynuts True. I probably would have gone with slats anyway due to the better appearance at the front on my house but just wanted to confirm that PV panels can be a cheaper option (that will pay itself off over time).

Been following Mr Seba since the the very first video. He has a predictive mindset like no other and I hold him in the same regard as Elon Musk.

@katzgar

3 ай бұрын

You need a rethink, Musk is just a magat.

@thomasidzikowski1520

3 ай бұрын

Ray Kurzweil

@andrewharris3900

3 ай бұрын

I have a crystal ball that is much more reliable.

@williammeek4078

3 ай бұрын

@@andrewharris3900you have a crystal ball that accurately predicted EV market share a decade ahead of time? Go ahead and share your predictions. 😂🤣😂

@douglascutler1037

3 ай бұрын

@@andrewharris3900 Wow, you must be the world's richest man at this point.

Solar panels are getting cheap, but for some reason it is incredibly expensive to have them installed here in the US.

@mikewa2

2 ай бұрын

It’s a complete rip off. So simple to install once you have the knowledge. Get qualified electrician to check your work and sign off the install.

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

DIY

At my insignificant level I haven’t paid for electricity for four years. However, I acknowledge that everything around me, from street lights to the internet requires electricity that I pay for in products and services.

@rRobertSmith

3 ай бұрын

AFTER you solar cells pay for themselves then they last maybe another 10 years and you have to buy better ones, buy a used EV battery out of a junk yard for a DIY powerwall.

@robertfonovic3551

3 ай бұрын

​@rRobertSmith And who will do the installation? Will your house be insurable? Let me know as I would be interested to find out, as would others that propose this and have done no research into it. Off ya go.

@antoniocruz8083

3 ай бұрын

​@@rRobertSmithI have 40 year old panels still working well. Where did you get the information that panels only last 15 years.

@commieTerminator

3 ай бұрын

​@@rRobertSmith Solar panels easily last for 25 years. The technology can develop further in future to deliver even longer lifespan

@williammeek4078

3 ай бұрын

@@rRobertSmitha DYI system can have a payback in as little as 5 years if you are running an EV. New solar panels are warranted for 25 years typically and that is to 20% degradation. They don’t just stop working. The most likely thing to fail is the inverters after about a decade.

Adding solar above south facing windows as awnings allowing heat and light in heating season and blocking in cooling along with using it as siding could add to a design if done aesthetically pleasing.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

Very clever,Ive seen this in Europe. Hot countries are doing this with water aqueducts. Cover the channel and cut down on evaporation at the same time.

4:00 this a really important point! We need to make sure that even those without their own property are able to benefit from zero energy prices.

It's already being used for canopies and cladding as BIPV.

Solar Panels in Netherlands (Where the picture of the Fence comes from) has Tax exemption. We pay 0% tax on solar panels. And for battery storage systems we can get the Tax back from the government. :) Zo zero tax. And yes solar panels are DIRT cheap. The material is like 25% of an install. So if you can install it yourself you saved even that 75% of the cost.

@marceldenouden9207

3 ай бұрын

Yep, flat roof so I did it myself. Still working fine after 10yrs. Every KWh they make is free, they paid for themselves years ago...

Here in Canada power plants are built and operated by tax dollars. I sent an email to a member of parliament back in the early 2000’s to finance the placement of solar panels on every public and private roof possible feeding back into the grid in place of building an expensive power plant. I never received a response. It made sense back then and even more sense now.

@robertfonovic3551

3 ай бұрын

Rubbish.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

Im a Canuck too,Im surprised how clunky these big power outfits are. All the info for new tech is here on youtube!

@HermanWillems

3 ай бұрын

Here we have electricity prices PER HOUR. And our electricity prices are negative many times. Yes even today a kWh at the afternoon are -5 EuroCent. Mostly Charge my Tesla then. :) I get paid to charge my tesla. I never got paid for filling my previous car with gasoline. And currently average price per liter here is 2.2 Euro!!! Which is expensiveee and it goes up and up. ANd electricity prices go down and down.

@alex.velasco

3 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 Nice try, troll.

@dzcav3

3 ай бұрын

“. . . a naïve observer might conclude that the rising share of new renewables (solar and wind) will usher in an era of falling electricity prices. But in reality, the opposite has been true.” Vaclav Smil, Numbers Don’t Lie, p.172 A recent headline in the US upper Midwest reads, "We Energies proposes nearly 15% rate increase". A company official says 85% of the increase is due mostly to solar projects.

I once told some folks at our local electric power utility that one day electric power would be free, at least 5 years ago. They looked so scared after I revealed that. lol

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

So not totally free you need the panels and all the equipment but must be rewarding to cut the power bill down!

Everyone wants an affordable solar battery power station at home. Renewable clean energy off grid living is the way to go in the future ! 😉💖🔋🌞🌏✌️

I was just thinking this same thing a few months ago. I’m planning my retirement home on a piece of land and my back fence would be made of bi-facial solar panels. Doing the math it would be just an expensive as a wooden fence and the power supply would make it a no-brainer.

Covering a high rise office building in solar film top to toe will be the next thing.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

Good eye, its coming.

@MauriceOldis

3 ай бұрын

An Australian company Clear View Technologies is doing this ASX CPV 43cps atm

@truperios

3 ай бұрын

It's inevitable, otherwise the city will become a place for those who cannot buy their own roof.

How many Panels do you have Sam? Tell us about it. I have 50 solar panels in Groningen Nederland. Production 11.000 kWh every Year since 2012. And 12 years no degradation. Easily 50 Years Production. Solar Panels never Stop.

@Leonardo555ZZZZ

3 ай бұрын

Yet in Australia you can buy 'old' panels for $10 each , and some large scale solar farms have shipping containers full of 'old' panels. Obviously they do not last for 50 years ,,sometimes not even 15 years and they fail.

@willeisinga2089

3 ай бұрын

@@Leonardo555ZZZZ they dont fail. They last for 50 years. But Wp has gone from 200 Wp a Panel to 400 Wp a Panel. And prices from 2 dollar Wp to 10 cent Wp. Its an exchange. Not fail. Solar Panels last 50 Years. I have 50 Solar Panels for 12 years now. Totally Perfect. Last year record production. Getting better by the Years.👍🙂

@Leonardo555ZZZ

3 ай бұрын

@@willeisinga2089 You are lucky so far , but 12 years is not 50..If they last 50 years why does a large scale installation in South Australia have multiple shipping containers filled with old panels that they have removed because they no longer work ? PS , hope for no hail , no snow , no cloud ,,,good luck.

@willeisinga2089

3 ай бұрын

@@Leonardo555ZZZ I live in Groningen Nederland. Cloudy Snow, Hail Rain Wind Region. Solar Works in Groningen. And for Quality. Try Chinese Made High Quality Solar Panels. Longi 30 years production garantee, last 50 Years. How many Panels do you have???

@davestagner

2 ай бұрын

@@Leonardo555ZZZDo you know they know longer work? Or is it just that production is no longer up to spec? Modern panels lose 0.3-0.5% efficiency per year. I’d love to see numbers on catastrophic failure rates, so I can more easily rebut the idea that they don’t last. Solar panels have no chemical reactions, and no moving parts. There’s not much to wear out. So why would they fail?

It is true, I bought my first balcony solar plant for w 1000 € in 2021 now I bought the second for 250 €. Prices are falling rapidly. I still think about buying a third and fourth as roof for my tomato’s and use these with a small battery for over night supply😄

Balcony solar outside apartments and along parking garages is quite a concept. I always thought of using the roof of a parking garage, but just the south facing wall would work. Interesting.

I am in Melbourne and have many panels aligned with the fence, we get old panels $10 per panel. Pergola facing north is enclosed by solar panels connected in parallel to prevent heating of panels in shading.

@hoffinger

3 ай бұрын

I have done the same thing. I also mounted free used solar panels on ladders. They can be moved and the angle changed with the seasons.

Great idea for use of solar panels, in regions that have predictable sun. For the rest of us, wind seems more of an option.

@williammeek4078

3 ай бұрын

“Regions that have predictable sun” covers about 80% of the world’s population in tropical and temperate climates. And for the rest, a mix of wind and solar so the can take advantage of the much higher summer sun and strong winter winds.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

I live in a subtropical climate and it's cloudy almost everday.....

You pointed me to his book. The interesting part is he is not manufacturing solar or batteries. He is just using tried and true engineering adoption rate curves to make predictions. Happy for the future.

Thanks!

The past few weekends in England on electricity tracker have had high percentages negative prices. I am being paid to have a shower. Solar fences here would be vandalised in many places.

@sweetvuvuzela4634

3 ай бұрын

Or stolen

I sure haven’t had a check from my electricity supplier. I’m paying, “all in”, 22 cents CDN per kilowatt hour. And, you know what? I’m not complaining!

The problem with solar is it swings the price of power wildly. This puts baseline power produces out of business. What is needed is extreme peaker power production to make use of this type of power from solar.

@davestagner

2 ай бұрын

You say “put baseline power plants out of business” like it’s a Bad Thing. :) Why not just use batteries instead of peaker plants? We know our daily (and hourly) power consumption patterns. We know when the sun rises and when it sets and what its angle will be. We know how much cloud cover we can expect. Start with enough battery to run the community 24/7 on the sunniest day of the year. Add enough to cover the darkest day of the year. Add more to cover however many days of cloudy weather. Eventually, you can reach 24/7/365 solar power.

@stanleytolle416

2 ай бұрын

@@davestagner Batteries are very expensive and they need to be replaced after awhile. The general rule if you are going to store energy you want to avoid converting the energy into a different form. This is the problem with hydro and batteries in that you are converting the energy into something else which involves conversion losses. There is also the problem like in California of extreme seasonal differences in current renewables power production and the inability to always have power when you need it. This is why Bill Gate's Natrium reactor setup with storage makes so much sense. Here power is stored as the actual heat that is being produced hence no conversion losses. Properly designed heat storage tanks can have very low energy loss over time. The salt storage medium is also the cheapest way to store energy and never needs replacing. The other thing is both the stored heat output and the output of the reactor can be added together resulting in a doubling of the power output when needed. If this maximum power output is produced at times of electrical power shortage and high electricity prices high levels of profit can be realized. Essentially because the power plant is taking advantage of producing it's power when electricity prices are high this plant can be profitable even if it's levelized cost of producing it's power may cost more than systems that can't produced power during these high electrical price times. Such a system actually makes it possible for more renewable power to be used by backing up the renewables when that can't produce the required amount of power.

When there's a demand for new technology some will always ask "how can I make quick money on this" so the prices are pushed up for the end user. Be it EV's, solar panels, home energy storage, so on, so on. It's not the product itself that's not affordable, it's the middlemen, investors, dealerships, installers and profit hunters that all have their bit to add on. In the UK your new car has value added tax, you have a road tax added to be able to drive it on UK roads (EV's will be subject to this in 2025), Insurance Premium Tax is added to your already inflated vehicle insurance and your liquid fuel is heavily taxed. So the government wants me to change to new technology but they've already lowered the new vehicle incentive on EV's. it's all about incomes and revenues for everyone.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

People with solar panels never factor in the prices of land and taxes. Sure you get "free" energy but the investment to get to that point is usually unobtainable by the average person. 90% of people do not have access to land or roofs to even pay to install solar

Lol so in California we’ve been adding tons of solar and….our electricity rates just keep going up.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

I guess if you dont own your own house you cant access the benefits. I know my friend did and his solar energy created gets used by him.

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

Renter speaks

The 400 000 balcony power plants in Germany are only the registered ones. Last year, when the numbers were much lower, there was a recall from company DEYE, who has a market share about 20-25%. They had to recall (which in fact was adding an adapter part) more than 400 000 inverter only in Germany. So the real numbers are expected to be much higher. The price for a balcony power plant with 600-800W has come down now to 250 - 300€ plus fixation material and transport and it produces about 600-800 kWh per year. Means return of interest within less than 4 years. The price for the moduls are now below 50€ per square meter, which makes it very attractive as construction Material. Car ports or fascades cladding with PV modules are cheaper than solutions with most other materials. Greetings from Germany and thumbs up for your great channel

It is very windy today in the UK, as a result gas is supplying only 2.43% of our electricity ( it is normally 40-50%) and the price is £-18.75/MWh yes that is minus on a normal working Monday in April! As others have said all weekend we have had long periods of negative prices.

Very cool Sam. Thanks.

All good, but, try to find a charging controller board 7 years from now. The industry has to get Standard Build rules into effect.

Solar power will be more useful for us in the tropics....we have sunshine throughout the year . No messy winters

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

My solar panels got destroyed during hurricane Harvey. Perfection does not exist

Lets not forget what this means for developing countries. It will make a huge diffetence.

Good on you Sam and good for Tony. You both are doing great work for us all and I very much appreciate what you do. Thank you, Rick WA state USA I hope your wife is getting better.

Solar fence is possible in my area now. 240w panels are $35 usd and sometimes they go on sale for BOGO.

Explaining to people electricity will be free would be like going back 50 years and explaining to people long distance phone calls would be free some day. They wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Tesla proved this a long time ago. That's why the oil companies killed him

@Leonardo555ZZZZ

3 ай бұрын

How is it free ? Panels , installation , transmission ,storage , back up for night , cloud and snow cover...It actually works out more expensive than using coal ,nuclear , hydro and gas like we used to. That is why electricity prices are rising in direct correlation with solar and wind increases.

@newyorker641

2 ай бұрын

​@@Leonardo555ZZZZWind turbines and solar panels are only fuel savers for an existing fleet of plants, the worth of renewables is equal to the amount of not consumed coal, oil and/or gas. Since the consumer price is a combination of fuel costs, fixed costs, grid fees etc. that calculation does work less and less if more pv is added. The Netherlands therefore charge owners of rooftop systems with an annual fee of 100 to 697€. The solar boom seems over in California with NEM 3.0 and in Upper Austria 20,000 feed-in tariffs for solar energy were canceled and the tariffs were cut by 80% since the generated power is close to worthless during daytime. Wind energy is going through a similar situation, the UK had to increase tariffs for offshore wind by 66% to keep up with the set goals. Who has predicted that a couple of years ago? Renewables have a ridiculously low energy density which results in a high material demand, copper became more expensive over the recent years. We will see a massive shift towards nuclear, France has done everything right.

Have you ever been to the U.K. mate? Or Europe? The bills are the opposite of cheap.

@229andymon

3 ай бұрын

In the case of the UK that’s perhaps because they’re busy building what was described as “the most expensive building on the planet” by way of the new nuclear station at Hinckley, to be followed by another at Sizewell. Your grandchildren will die of old age paying for those money furnaces.

@sweetvuvuzela4634

3 ай бұрын

In the uk they are using green belt land to put up solar farms when there is plenty of roof top space. As for cheap power if you have look at octopus energy you may find something you like

@justinr9753

3 ай бұрын

The new offshore drilling should be productive in a couple years. Texas has the most wind and second in solar only behind the state that forces people to get solar is drilling so much oil that natural gas prices went negative, while offshore drilling is more expensive, it should still hopefully bring prosperity to the UK allowing for a cheaper transition to green energy.

As electricity prices fall, the payback for solar installation also would fall. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

You would be nuts if you didn't run with this. You are the best Aussie.

Any time anything can last longer like EV batteries and solar panels there will be less waste and less need to recycle.

The fact that the timelines are out is proof that it's speculation. You cannot claim he is correct if he gets the timeline wrong as timing is critical in forecasts.

@cncshrops

3 ай бұрын

Lol, just lol.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Saying things will get cheaper with improved technology and government subsidies. Is like predicting water being wet...

If you could get a solar panel that had built-in insulation on the back, and simple structural and electrical connectors on the sides they would make a great building material. Even the ones with defective cells could be used for exterior wall panels on the shady side of your house.

I would rather have a solar fence and/or deck etc than on the roof.

@timothykeith1367

3 ай бұрын

Yes, nothing on the roof but the roof.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

@@timothykeith1367 The Tesla solar roof tiles are pricey,not as efficient as panels but brilliant because it is the roof.Look for this idea to be more widespread in the future.

@MauriceOldis

3 ай бұрын

and much easier to access for any issues!!!

@travisjazzbo3490

3 ай бұрын

@@jaaklucas1329Read the stories on this. It is absolutely crazy expensive making it a non starter if one is worried about ROI. It isn't even close to traditional solar. It surprises me that whoever thought of this - great in concept - didn't find all of the massive pitfalls -- and they are MASSIVE. Absolute none consideration right now for anyone unless you just have a lot of money and don't care as much about ROI

With a variable power supply like wind or solar I can see how the price for power could go to 0 at times but it seems to me at other times when wind wind and solar were producing at a lower level power would have to be sold at a fairly substantial price in order to cover the capital cost of installation. The cost of the solar or wind installation with batteries has to be recouped with profit somehow.

Your predictions have already come true. All new built neighbourhoods have solar roofs over here in The Netherlands. I have 24 panels and think I need to get more. I am contemplating making a new solar fence just now.

You still need to pay for the labor of electricians to hook up the panels to your electric panel in your house.

@MrSteeDoo

3 ай бұрын

yeah so?

@macmcleod1188

3 ай бұрын

Only until the plug is standardized. It would be easy to have a plug on the circuit box.

@macmcleod1188

3 ай бұрын

Right now, I use my solar and batteries to run air conditioning in the summer without going through the electrical panel. Lowers my bill about $30 per day. But the savings the other 8 months are pretty terrible. So it's going to be a 7-year payoff for the system

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

​@@macmcleod1188good thinking

in fact in Germany you have 30% more, as many haven't been registered by yet.

Is it so that the doom-mongers warnings of limited silver production were wrong and there is more than enough silver and future prospects to fulfill the requirements for a masive expansion?

This weekend we have negative electricity prices is south of Sweden.

Seems great for fencing but the black solar panels on a balcony with a view are gonna block a lot of it

@truperios

3 ай бұрын

You could use smaller sized rectangular panels to keep the top horizontally open.

We are not quite there. Energy storage costs still must come down

@antwnpowell

3 ай бұрын

Yes, the price of storage does not reflect the huge drop in price of batteries.

@williammeek4078

3 ай бұрын

It will come down quickly. But prices are already worth it.

I keep seeing stories like this. But in California where the sun shines all day it still takes over 10 years to reach the break even point. Why is that if the solar panels are so cheap? Is it the inverter or some other hyper expensive equipment to connect homes up to solar power?

@MrSteeDoo

3 ай бұрын

Because you are OK with people robbing you on the installation costs. DIY in WI would mean a payday under 6 years for me.

@deanstyles2567

3 ай бұрын

What's the margin for the installers? Last I heard solar systems in the US were expensive. Tariffs on solar panels don't help either.

@sunrisejak2709

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Pricing a solar solution from Teslas solar group is crazy high. Puzzling.

@geraldbutler5484

3 ай бұрын

@@sunrisejak2709Installation in Australia is far cheaper. I met the salesman in the driveway and gave the nod for 2 x 6.6 kilowatt systems. Three weeks later they were installed for around 4,300 US each. No problems, no hassles, just sign here and thank you. And I live in a rural area!

@MauriceOldis

3 ай бұрын

@@deanstyles2567 thank the Donald for that!!!

It's more pressure for batteries, other energy storage and industries that can take advantage of the peak.

Thanks Sam! Another great video on Tony Seba’s predictions and the implications on the world. Having owned rechargeable batteries and solar products for decades and witnessing the improvements as well as leaps in performance with cost drops - it’s accurate! Thanks Sam! 🙏🫶☀️

Solar works great in some areas, but not in all areas. Wooded areas casts shadows, and we cant just cut down the trees to provide more light because of things like timber rights. Not only that, but every tree that gets cut would reduce carbon removal on a massive scale. Solar works great in areas where trees and mountains are not involved, but its terrible in the winter on the north side of a mountain. There are downsides to solar that many people have not considered.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Green energy is a cash grab. Some people it can work. But 90% of people do not have access to land or roofs for solar/wind. Nuclear is the best option but politicians can't make that stock market money on thorium or uranium. Only solar and wind...........

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

Only the people who have such restrictions need to consider them. I don't need to be concerned.

Free power!!! Energy prices are sky rocketing. They don't let you out enough.

I wish PG&E in California would get the word. Right now, electricity prices are pushing 50 cents or more per kilowatt hour. They've gone up about 50% in the last 5 years and probably doubled in the last 10 years.

@Leonardo555ZZZZ

3 ай бұрын

Too many renewables and not enough coal , nuclear ,gas and hydro.

@robertcanastra2288

3 ай бұрын

@@Leonardo555ZZZZ Funny. Ha-ha. Hope that's a joke. 80% of the cost is distribution, which means there's not enough local generation. Costs in cities that generate their electricity locally, using mostly renewables, are charging on the order of 20 cents per kWh. More solar rooftops would mean more local generation and less distribution cost - at least, in an ideal world it would, which is not the one promoted by PG&E. And California uses plenty of hydro and gas, along with some nuclear, to generate electricity.

The cost of solar can never be zero. Storage and panels will still cost money to make. But of course there can be synergies that make it very cheap, like in the case of dual use when you make a fence out of solar panels. It is however a fairly expensive fence...Not to forget the grid, unless you are 100% self-sufficient which is almost impossible in dense urban environments.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

The people who push for solar are rich privileged people. The average home price in the US is almost 400k. That's means a 20% down payment would be 80k......

@CARambolagen

3 ай бұрын

@@RipliWitani I've never been rich and I've "pushed for solar" all my life. Solar and Wind are the cheapest form of energy once the system is established. And it is so for home buyers at any rate. If you say that the avarage home price in the US is 400k then installing a solar system with a 10kw/h battery +c heat pump will be a pittance compared to the whole house price. But it will virtually bring you energy bills down to zero after 5-10 years...

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

The costs can "trend towards zero" like Tony Seba points out.

I have used solar panels as awnings.

People talk about solar fences, awnings, etc. Problem is that there are certain restrictions to what you can do architecturally, and some of these solar things are outside of the restrictions. The construction has to be approved and they may not allow the solar panels to be used. Aa few panels can generate hundreds of volts so that's just one thing that has to be dealt with. Solar panels can get very hot, so that's another issue to be dealt with.

More realistic we get to zero price now than the 50s nuclear energy predictions. Electricity prices will be more about service - leccy itself will be more like mobile/broadband data prices and it's down to the quality of service, guaranteed rates, then amount

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Government stopped nuclear because it would go negative for them. With solar panels the politicians get to cash in on stock prices

Sadly electrical prices in the negatives wont produce lower retail power cost. Australia currently has its highest retail rices for electricity, however wholesale prices are at their lowest in many years (at least lat time I checked a couple of months ago).

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Australia is the perfect example of where green energy will go. The government will spend billions on subsidies and the cost of utilities will be the same or more expensive.

nice good

Anyone who has had to replace a cedar fence knows how expensive it is, it's more than a new roof. It wouldn't take much for solar panels to be cheaper. And it's only a matter of time until there are clear solar panels that can be used for windows. We already have see through TVs, solar is next. It would be great if they could also filter out harmful rays and let only safe light though.

You still have to build the frame for the house and make a traditional roof upon which to place the panels. Panels are not waterproof and provide no insulation for the interior. Nuts hopium naivitae.

Balconypanels in Germany are no constructionmaterials, the balconys exist for decades and the tenants add up these panels. These sets are also relatively expensive, nobody would build a fence of it, for that you would have to search another source, these marketsegment is just not transparent. For example i just found one for 680€ (about 728US$ for 800W & inverter.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

People who have solar are usually rich and have money managers. They never factor in the land price and taxes in their models. I had to put 30k down on my first property. 90% of people can't afford that

They break easy

Integrated solar panel roofs becoming common on new buildings in UK

Sadly, ATM NSW has only 1% renewable electricity. The wholesale cost is 47 per KWHr. We need a lot more batteries.

I like the idea of electricity for marginal costs.

Lots of cheap solar panels are great until they need to be replaced. Sounds like a huge job. Anyway happy to see the progress.

@antoniocruz8083

3 ай бұрын

I have 40 year old panels still giving out 80%.

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

Not difficult to replace. Depends on how lazy you are

So why is Tesla's solar operation not growing as anticipated and why are their roof project installation prices so sky high? What did Elon get wrong such that the solar group is under-performing?

@10secondsrule

3 ай бұрын

Costs and installation according to his bio.

We can get electricity costs below zero, from solar, during certain parts of the day. So as a sound bite, it's a bit misleading. What one wants is a 24/7 match. This is one of the goals of Google, which also prefers clean energy, to run their data centers. But it's not easy. And you still needs some dis-patchable resources. This is when the whether totally does not cooperate (dunkelflaute). Though if the solar drops some more, one can "over panel" (say by 5x). Along with this is the needed drop in costs for storage.

Where are these solar panels made and what are they made with?

Have we replaced a sun roof on a tesla with a solar panel? Self charging EV??

I'm thinking about neighbour disputes with a neighbour growing plants in his garden and shading my solar panel fence!

@WM12329

3 ай бұрын

Dual sided solar panels.They'll soon be quiet when they're getting cheap or fee energy too

Viking when we gonna get white coloured solar panels ? Then they’re really take off .

Now, imagine when Tesla has Optimus robots to install the solar panels…day and night except when recharging for maybe an hour or two a day

Great idea put solar anywhere.....no worry of place...

With the progress so far if this doesn't happen then it's because of corporate lobbying.

Great info. Love Mr Seba. Thanks.

Given that much of the cost of home solar is installation, making photovoltaics a part of everything exterior that you happen to install...fencing, siding, roofing, sheds...could make a fair bit of sense. Photovoltaics themselves aren't the cost anymore; it's the other bits and the install.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

Maybe. Just like evs and cars, the more you produce the more problems you will encounter. Some solar panel companies are being banned because they used toxic materials to supply cheap solar panels. In China they have fields of EVs because their batteries are garbage and catch fire all the time. China had to ban electric scooters in some residential areas

Materials may go down but installation goes up. So having solar panels is still prohibitive for most of us.😮

@MrSteeDoo

Ай бұрын

With a name like woodchip you should be aware of the term DIY.

“. . . a naïve observer might conclude that the rising share of new renewables (solar and wind) will usher in an era of falling electricity prices. But in reality, the opposite has been true.” Vaclav Smil, Numbers Don’t Lie, p.172 A recent headline in the US upper Midwest reads, "We Energies proposes nearly 15% rate increase". A company official says 85% of the increase is due mostly to solar projects.

mmm..... construction materials???? Can we make 'Solar Lego' for building houses?

The solar panels used previously that I use were cheaper than plywood a few months ago. Even panels that are beyond repair could still be used structurally. With foam insulation between panels used like siding you can form an incredibly strong sandwich. If used for housing you could use drywall on the inside and panels on the outside. 4-6” of open cell insulation between them makes a strong barrier to heat and a structurally stable wall. If you don’t like the way they look, could put other siding over them. But left exposed even marginal panels on exterior walls would produce much of the energy required for a dwelling.

I am building a car port at the moment. I decided to cover it with solar panels, even though I don't need that much electricity.

@jaaklucas1329

3 ай бұрын

Clever!

We had negative prices for electricity most of yesterday and today. But is it really a good that companies building up generation lose money on their investments?

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

So what happens when everyone has solar? I hope the robots and AI are nice to us.

Roofs could be covered with an EPDM membrane with solar panels covering the whole roof other than ridges and valleys. Siding could be replaced with entire walls covered in solar panels instead. High-rise buildings could have a mix of glass curtain walls and solar panel curtain walls, including those that are double sided and partially see through where desired.

Yes I often charge my car at home through summer and get paid for it here in Sydney. Not unusual. OVO energy now offer free electricity from 10am to 2pm in their time of use plans and Amber Electric often reach zero and negative prices through summer. But it’s the spikes in electricity prices that allow you to make money if you have a good battery. Up until now a house battery did not have a good ROI but with access to electricity wholesale market spot trading via companies like Amber here in Australia and Octopus in the UK and software like EMHASS with Home Assistant that has changed.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

I'm not putting a slave battery in my house. Solar and wind are cool but the batteries use blood minerals. Get us a better battery and I'll go back. Meanwhile I'll enjoy my air compressor engine that uses 0 fuel and had 0 emissions

@robertcruikshank8864

3 ай бұрын

What are blood minerals? If you’re talking about cobalt my battery doesn’t have any as it’s LFP.

Meanwhile in Portugal the "normal" solar power installations continue to be expensive....🙄

It's absolutely possible to get negative pricing since amortisation time (including recycling costs) gets shorter and shorter. How do people think companies make money? By continuing to use machines after they passed amortisation. To me it seems as if some people don't get it how they earn money - which literally is having negative costs...you get money. Positive costs = you lose money.

@RipliWitani

3 ай бұрын

The only reason electricity is expensive is because the government won't let us build more power plants. The EPA in the US has basically banned any new power plants especially nuclear.

Wish CATL could launch small batteries for Indian two wheelers. Here most two wheelers don't even last 3 years!

Those prices are not reaching Spain any time soon, thats for sure.

The democratization of power generation... nice.

While I look forward to EV prices and solar becoming cheaper, they need to. We are in the process of swapping our diesel for an EV. There are just a few cars in the sensible affordable price range. For wider adoption of BEVs and more solar power generation at more affordable prices we need Tony Seeba to be right. Cars are a key part of reducing the problems we have with air quality. Once buying an ICE car is looked on as illogical choice for most people I will be relieved. At the moment it seems like the misinformation is able to use the up front cost as a prop for avoiding the sensible choice. Once the cars are cheaper the misinformation will still be there but will slowly become less effective. Balcony balustrades sound like an interesting way to add to the possibilities. Then it will make sense for buildings to buy a building battery (repurposed BEV batteries?). Trade in your car battery and they could refurbish it before installing it on the roof of apartment buildings.

You forgot about the racking