Just got back from two weeks in hospital with a serious heart condition. I still have my life and all my money. Thanks Tommy.

@marc-andreperron219

4 жыл бұрын

You should also thank every tax payer who paid for it. Tommy didn't pay for your health care.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@EM You're quick to assume that I would rather have public spending go to frivolous military conflicts rather than help members of our own society. I love how some people like to make blanket statements for others who simply criticize a certain point of view. As a conservative, I like having a public health system. What I'm questioning is, who pays the costs? It's always easy to say tax the rich and spend other peoples' money, but this approach throughout history has never been sufficient or sustainable. There's a very strong argument to be made about helping the poor, vulnerable, disadvantaged, etc., and I think that's a conversation we should always be having. What I question is whether a single-payer system, as Mr. Douglas instated and advocated throughout his entire life is sustainable, given as economics shows, people have all sorts of different lifestyles, and choices that contribute to their many problems. Then I have to ask the question is what incentives do people have to be as healthy as possible when individuals are able to pay with their own money?

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@EM I don't see how or why you can "laugh out loud" with the questions I'm asking; they're very serious and a reality in any given society, especially in one like Canada where we have personal and social responsibility for many areas of our daily lives. I'm simply asking hard questions about these economic issues, given what I've seen after spending many years helping poor and vulnerable people. You're right, it's not conservative compassion, in fact there's no such thing. Compassion is simply relaying empathy to another on an individual level; a society cannot have compassion, only people can have compassion. It's not pride either, it's a harsh look at life's tragedy and endeavor, something many people on the political left don't like talking about. It's often difficult having intellectual conversations with social justice zealots, because the moment you ask a hard question, you're dismissed as either stupid or ignorant, as if we should "just get it", without any evidence forthcoming. I'm not moving to the US anytime soon; I'm happy living in Canada, having served 22 years in the Army, and now working as a nurse.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@EM I agree with you that compassion is a conservative trait; I simply don't like it when politicians try to talk about on a societal level. As I said, individuals can be compassionate in their everyday affairs; which is why conservatives have supported charities throughout history and volunteering to help others, etc. When we talk about personal responsibility, we speak of every human being, living in the moment, has to deal with every circumstance on the table at every given time, and cannot shun that away because it seems unfair or unjust. This is the burden of a free society. On the other hand, we ask ourselves what can we do to help poor, vulnerable, disadvantaged people. It boggles my mind how so many are convinced that conservatives don't care about these groups. Several conservative and liberal politicians have attempted to develop some form of Medicare coverage for people long before Mr. Douglas established his first universal program in 1947. The reasons for this is that it can help develop and sustain a healthy workforce (which pays for all our services to begin with). May I ask you, are you a Marxist in your political and economic thinking?

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@EM Mr. Douglas is a man I admire both as a politician and a Canadian. I have always thought of his advocacy for others' well-being as being honest, dignified, and truthful. He was a man who spent his whole life trying to do what's right by his own moral code. I'd like to ask you about conservative socialism, because I've never heard the term before. Most socialists, like Mr. Douglas were always slated as being supporters of Marxism. The distinction between Marxists (Soviet & Eastern European block) and Mr. Douglas's political ideology is the latter's belief in political freedom and civil rights, while advocating for increasing public control of the means of production, in order to champion a greater sense of social justice within our society. As I have stated before, I'm a conservative now after experiencing much hypocrisy from many people on the political left who dictate one set of standards to others while having another for themselves, for example colleagues who champion helping poor people, but give very little of their own money to others, all the while wanting the rich to give their "fair share". Another example is something that you're hinting with your last comment about 'people over corporations'. Many socialists argue for championing expensive social welfare programs like Medicare, education reform, labor standards, etc., but also like bashing corporations for being too greedy and profit-driven, as Marx argued concerning private enterprise. But you have to ask yourself the question, where does government get so much of the wealth/revenue in order to procure the social programs you talk about. I can tell you that without much of our wealthy, productive industries generating the wealth they do, employing the many people they have, we couldn't have the capacity to fund the cherished programs you love so much. It's almost like biting or slapping the hand that feeds you.

The man ran balanced budgets every year in Sask!

@marc-andreperron219

4 жыл бұрын

This setup deficit spending because as decades went by, costs increased because of increasing needs of the elderly. It's easy to say health care for all, when you are not paying a real price for it. Canadian medicare will always burden future generations with increasing debt, our evidence is the deficits today.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@Jaskaran Singh Can you give examples of how the system is getting screwed over; is it a case of mismanagement or corruption? Costs of services are partly determined on how much people are willing to spend on it. I've spoken to several Americans who are happy with their specific health insurance plans; they're willing to pay the premiums associated with their service, so they are happy with not only the quality of service, but the speed of delivery (e.g. shorter wait times).

@digitalstreamer3498

3 жыл бұрын

@@marc-andreperron219 The US healthcare system costs 17.1% of their GDP, more than any other developed nation, which all have some form of universal healthcare, WHILE the US has the worst health outcomes amongst all developed nation. Privatized public goods are more inefficient than their nationalized counterparts + they cost more to maintain because there is no incentive to ensure quality healthcare while providing services at almost a free cost. Thousands of Americans die every year without health insurance and thousands file for medical bankruptcy. That doesn't exist in any other 1st world nation. The US healthcare system still has slow wait times. In some cases, they are better than Canada's but that's only because of austerity from our conservative and liberal governments in the past decade. Our healthcare expenditure is roughly 10.3% of GDP, less than the US AND everyone is covered. Canadians pay less per-capita than americans do while quality is roughly the same or better. Maybe some of the americans you spoke to like their health insurance but that doesn't speak to the majority of americans based on how unaffordable it is. Majority of americans want choice of doctor, not plans. Health insurance plans price gouge individuals and there are limits on which doctor you are allowed to see.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@EM This points to the economic problem; scarcity, or never having enough resources to cover all your wants or needs. It's easy to say we need more spending on health care for a variety of reasons, but the question is who will pay these costs. You mention "catching up with the rest of the western world", but I have seen data showing that many people living in these countries go elsewhere for necessary procedures, surgeries, etc. So this raises the question of how efficient their own systems really are? Secondly, you mention increasing our spending while balancing the budget at hand. There are tradeoffs with every approach; are you willing to sacrifice industry growth (who provide a large part of the tax base for our service sector spending), for increased health care, or the like. These are not easy questions, but they cannot be answered with fancy rhetoric.

You're so lucky to have had this man in Canada. I wish we had someone like this in the US.

@sweiland75

3 жыл бұрын

You do. His name is Bernie Sanders.

@davidhutchinson5233

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweiland75 I know that. But someone who has true power.....like a President.

@veeveri

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidhutchinson5233 He can be President if you and your country collectively stand up for yourselves and vote for him.

@CosmoShidan

Жыл бұрын

@@veeveri You're missing the point; Tommy Douglas was able to hold a balance of power to wedge the Liberals and Conservatives into complying with his proposals. Hence he was a third party in opposition to the official opposition party and the ruling party.

@johndavis8669

10 ай бұрын

You do know the states aren't a reliable partner.

God bless Tommy Douglas. Best Canadian ever.

Canadians need to have inspired leadership like this again. Saskatchewan create a standard of public service that we should be aspiring to as a nation. The neocon sham doesn't hold a candle to Tommy Douglas.

@glen6945

8 жыл бұрын

fk you should be for the pla=net

@marc-andreperron219

4 жыл бұрын

Many of today's socialists advocate the same kind of rhetoric for equality and social justice; all the while increasing our society's debt and burdening our future generations.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@Jaskaran Singh Good point on fiscal responsibility practice not followed by several liberal and conservatice leaders. What astonishes me is how Mr. Douglas ran balanced budgets throughout his 17-year tenure in provincial parliamant, as well as paid off the debt inherited by the provinces' predecessor! He is one, if not the only politician to have made socialism work in the Western world. I can't think of any other person who has. If I can be critical, why then has Saskatchewan and every other province now have increasing debt and insufficient government programs (according to some)?

@sweiland75

3 жыл бұрын

@@marc-andreperron219 Have you seen what your precious capitalist economy has done to the national debt/ LOL

@marc-andreperron219

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweiland75 A capitalist economy cannot affect our government debt, only the government can. Private businesses only function as a result of its' shareholders and investors. Our federal and provincial governments have spent far more than they received. We have to ask ourselves if we truly live beyond our means?

Douglas knew what he was talking about when it came to health services in Canada. As premier of Saskatchewan, he introduced the first universal medical insurance plan in North America.

No wonder the RCMP had him under surveillance - he was on our side!

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

Also worried about his possible ties to communism, given the CCF was a far-left socialist party.

@erikchepkyy5912

3 жыл бұрын

@@marc-andreperron219 CCF was a democratic socialist party, far-left is a political position that is associated with another ideology. Douglas was not a Marxist-Leninist, I don't even think that he was a Marxist, all I know is that he advocated for Socialism that is achieved by Democratic means rather than forced or violent ones, that doesn't make him far-left. If you think CCF was far-left then you don't know what far-left even is.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikchepkyy5912 You're right about his politics. My point was what the RCMP was concerned about this, given the nature of the cold war between 1945-1990's. A lot of hysteria concerning left-wing political movements; but don't forget that Marxism is also a democratic movement into socialism, until totalitarianism is fully achieved by the government. All forms of socialism are democratic at first.

@erikchepkyy5912

3 жыл бұрын

@@marc-andreperron219 You're associating the foundation of the USSR and Russian Revolution of 1917 as a Marxist Democratic Revolution, there was nothing democratic about that. Lenin and the Bolsheviks didn't believe in Democracy, Lenin's ideas contradicted Marx's intentions, Marx at least believed in Democracy, Lenin didn't.

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikchepkyy5912 Good point on the distinctions between the two (Lenin & Marx). The point I was trying to make is that socialism is democratic in the sense of the movement being supported by the masses (workers, the poor, etc.), in great numbers (democratic meaning majority rule). Lenin's revolution began as a large mass movement, and turned into top-down tyranny, as you stated. Mr. Douglas always championed civil liberties, economic freedom, and great support for welfare, the poor, and equality for Canadians.

Long live Tommy Douglas and his legacy.

We need more of this these days

The last of the true Socialist Leaders (in my opinion) for Canada.

He saved countless lives.

Good goodness, do we need politicians like him now. Even when the "reporter" tried to "got ya" on consecutive questions, he made her look stupid without being a jerk

Thanks Mr. Douglas. I and my children owe you.

Love you Grandpa!!!

Why cant we have leaders like this anymore?.....He said what he meant, and meant what he said....without being an automaton, or a strident harpy......a deeply religious man, I dont think he pushed his religion on anyone...save that he tried to help the least amongst us.....Mr Harper et al, take heed......

@marc-andreperron219

4 жыл бұрын

You forget that what Mr. Harper was doing was attempting to pay for previous generations debt spending, and encourage economic growth which is the only thing that can alleviate poverty.

@Re5Publica As a Canadian I am very happy with the health care in my country, at least we don't have to worry about going broke when we get sick..

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Clary: It is underfunded, however. That’s what happens when mice elect governments made up of 🐈. See “Tommy Douglas’ Mouseland” video!

Remote interview in 1976 look batter than one in 2023

Glad that no one is mindlessly criticizing Tommy.

Awesome production and even better message...

Beautiful NDP WERE THE FIRST TO BRING IN HEALTH CARE, AND TRYING TO SUPPORT, THE OTHERS CANADIAN PROVENANCE,, B.C TO NEWFOUNDLAND, THE TERRITORY A CHAMPION OF HEALTH CARE 💕☺️🎯🎱🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌍🥊🏆🙏 IN CANADA

after workplace injury in Saskatchewan, everything possible is used to deny injured workers any chance for health recovery. The Sheer amount of CORRUPTION is GIGANTIC.

@jamesflemming8411

3 жыл бұрын

patchy service and working hard to avoid costs sounds like a symptom of underfunding (which is true)

Why is he credited with "the creator of Canada's free health care system" when Dr. Norman Bethune fought for it DECADES earlier?

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

Brian Major: Because Premier Douglas made universal public healthcare a reality in Saskatchewan. His example led the way to the system we have across Canada today. I think Tommy Douglas would credit the heroic Dr. Bethune for his vision and advocacy, but it was Douglas’ NDP government which actually implemented it!

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

A very good question. I've been reading about Medicare's history in Canada and found that many politicians advocated for a single-payer system decades up to Mr. Douglas's successful implementation in Saskatchewan. One article I read stated that if Mr. Douglas fathered Medicare, then several Conservatives and Liberals grandfathered it? Interesting, all had their different reasons for a single-payer system; fortunately, Mr. Douglas's CCF had a majority in the provincial parliament, making it easier for them to pass legislative acts like this one, although physicians protested with 23 days of striking. It worked out in the end.

crikey his accent is like a mix of Scottish and North American

@frankiebogdan4228

3 жыл бұрын

That’s cuz he was born in Scotland

@yumyumtunafish

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankiebogdan4228 that's a bit harsh, you wouldn't like it if I said you were born in Scotland. They say the same thing to Andy Murray when he loses, seems a tad overkill

@frankiebogdan4228

3 жыл бұрын

@@yumyumtunafish he was born in scotland lol

@Justin-df9ev

3 жыл бұрын

@@yumyumtunafish But he really was born in Scotland...even though he was technically an immigrant, he will forever be one of the greatest Canadians who have ever lived

Why isn't there 200 foot tall statue built on parliament hill in his name?

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Douglas once said he doesn't want a statue on Parliament Hill, because he's seen what the pigeons do to those statues. He had a great sense of humor.

@markzuck8486

3 жыл бұрын

Eugenics

Kiefer Sutherland's maternal grandfather!

Better than any American politician that ever existed

tks tommy

David frums mum is interviewing Kiefer Sutherland grandpa how about an interview between David frum and Kiefer Sutherland?

I wish Canada had this type of plain speaking leaders today.

Folks, remember that there's more than just a person behind rhe Medicare. There's culture. Tommy was born in scotland and grew up in Saskatchewan.

note; tommy specifically named dentalcare for schoolchildren as part of this

Exactly. A good mixture of Democracy and Communism with a little bit of capitalism and socialism is what we need.

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

Leslie: It’s called democratic socialism.

@leslie7872

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandrastreifel6452 no.

@johnpijano4786

3 жыл бұрын

@@leslie7872 Then what is it then? Christian Socialism (since Tommy Douglas was a Reverend)? Social Democracy? What?

@marc-andreperron219

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandrastreifel6452 Interesting thing, all forms of socialism are democratic in political/economic theory, up until Communism takes hold on society. The better term to use is social democracy, which blends elements of capitalism with government regulation, and a large welfare state.

Unfortunately our universal health care is in crisis.....it works when your young and healthy.....Feds don't pay 50% of the cost, we have an expanding and aging population......it needs to be fixed

No you are not tossed out in the street. They will see you and then send you a big ass bill that if you dont pay, they file on your credit. Yup.. so very humane!

ACE

Kiefer Sutherland grandpa would he like designated survivour?

Corruption has broke the health care system, not that it was the best plan anyway.

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

TheGoverning BodyBag: What corruption? Austerity has broken the healthcare system by underfunding it. There’s nothing wrong with the basic plan; all developed countries other than the USA have it in some form.

Illnesses were always around. Quality of people's health may differ in a larger scale compared to the past - I'd say regardless of wealth, although however. And whatever.

Sometimes I think this man was Jesus Christ himself, disguised as Tommy Douglas. Hands down, the greatest Canadian who ever lived.

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

amartinjoe: He also was a minister of the United Church of Canada. We’re sometimes called: “the NDP at prayer” though of course, we’re completely nonpartisan!

@markzuck8486

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus wouldn't advocate to sterilize people he saw mentally unfit

Wow, 2024. :DDDDDDDD

@Bioshockerxx so true. however, socialism always fails. We just have to sit back and wait.

@bert29

4 жыл бұрын

Does it though? Not from my experience.

@nikkiisntdum257

4 жыл бұрын

@@bert29 it does when the us government gets involved

@sandrastreifel6452

3 жыл бұрын

Americans only approve of socialism for the rich, and the corporations!

Geez, it takes 50 years to provide dental care for children? Impossible.

@johndavis8669

10 ай бұрын

Dental Care isn't free. I pay $6.66 every 2 weeks from my employer Dental plan.

@Alex80261

5 ай бұрын

@@johndavis8669 How old are you? I didn't know they hire children.

@Bioshockerxx Please! Stop using those words which you clearly do not even understand the correct definitions of. You're just embarrassing yourself.

his dream will fail, the only question is how many people die first

@glen6945

4 жыл бұрын

FRK YOU

@alansmart17

2 жыл бұрын

His dream has already succeeded. I suggest you visit a doctor.

father of public healthcare more like father of cringe

@sweiland75

3 жыл бұрын

So how are you enjoying your private healthcare?

@bingo5063

3 жыл бұрын

@@sweiland75 i am not american

@doomsday9973

Жыл бұрын

@@sweiland75love it. I have no deductible. I only pay small co-pays. I don’t need referrals I can go straight to any specialist I want. I can get an appointment for an MRI/CAT scan within days. The US system is far from perfect but it isn’t the horror show some act like it is. Not even close