I am neither a Jew or Palestinian, but I have visited Israel. Thank you for your balanced response to this most difficult and complicated situation.

Thank you!

Your list of preconditions for "limited self governance" for Palestinians, and your entire framing of the situation, will be an obstacle to fruitful negotiations, because it is so incredibly patronizing. If progress is to be achieved, one day, then you first have to recognize the absolute equality of your antagonists. No point using the word "dignity" if you don't know what its essence actually sounds like. In short, it means no prescriptions, no referring to the other side as terrorists, or telling them who will be eligible to represent them, no pointing to their access to weaponry, even as the other side receives billions upon billions of weapons aid. Perhaps you can begin this task by examining what it is in you that can see the faults of your antagonists so very clearly, and yet cannot bear to admit that everything wrong about them is amply present in yourself. I hate to say it, but the almost childish need to present oneself as a victim in perpetuity, has become an integral aspect of identity, to such a great extent, that it has become the rationale for unspeakable cruelties, callousness, and injustice. One begins to wonder, then, which of the two warring factions is free, and which one is oppressed. Maybe the answer is that they are both prisoners of their inability to fathom a future based on compromise and mutuality.

"There is a time for everything." Hamas is responsible and has evil intentions towards its people, Israel, and the world. Unfortunately, we all suffer the consequences of those who promote injustice and those who said nothing against the atrocities. I have compassion for all who are suffering, and I believe there will be time to rebuild, but it is my conviction now is not the time for conversations of mending the circumstances but only a willingness to do what is right when it is time. Hamas could end this now, so unfortunately, Israel must respond for all of us. I pray for Israel and ALL Abraham's children. Shalom!

@christophesiewecke9208

7 ай бұрын

Hamas is a terrible theocratic authoritarian organization. They killed north of 1200 people in 24 hours. It was atrocious. What did the state of Israel do in response? They cut off the supply of food and water and electricity to the entire people of Gaza (over 2.2 million people, a majority of whom are children). They bombed the living daylights out of the urban centers of Gaza, to the tune of over 20000 civilian casualties and over 10000 children killed so far, nevermind the residential infrastructure, homes, roads, schools, hospitals that were completely destroyed. The place has been flattened. Two wrongs do not make a right. Hamas is terrible and their atrocities are beyond the pale. What the Netenyahu administration has done in response is of the same caliber and to pretend like it's not is willful igorance. 5+ million people live in the territories occupied by Israel with barely any rights, no ability to have a passport, no future prospect of prosperity and peace, let alone a sense of fairness or justice in their lives. As long as the state of Israel continues the systematic denial of human rights to the people living within their de facto borders, they will never have peace and they will never be safe. You don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies. What the Rabbi is calling for is the only logical resolution to this conflict short of the mass deportation (or worse, extermination!) of over 5 million people, which is a horror that I cannot imagine the ramifications of.

@berylackermann8240

6 ай бұрын

ISRAEL IS THE OPPRESSOR and has been for 74 years...DO THRY ARE THE ONES TO STOP OPPRESSING THE PALISTINIANS and peace MAY reign again before the ZIONIST arrived there. (Long before NETANYAHU formed the Hamas Political Party who now defends the Palistinians.

@elhaam._

6 ай бұрын

Ah, misled and misinformed, yes? Had we been on TikTok, I wouldn’t mind sending you that entire article I wrote and sent to so many people at least a dozen times but unfortunately, KZread, as of now, fails to comply with equality and restricts me from spreading any information. Anyhow, I will try and if you do not receive it, I am sorry for KZread and I hope you are guided by some other means. Edit. No, if H@m@s ended this now, Isr@el would end all of P@lestine but that doesn’t mean I support the continuation of this war… I will never support the killing of innocent civilians. More accurately, I'd say you replace H@m@s with Isr@3l. Isr@el could end this now and H@m@s wouldn't be able to do anything. But no, they refuse, just like they refused to treat P@lestini@ns as humans for the last 75 years. One more thing, H@m@s is the cause of all of this? Mate, we really and absolutely need to clear the roots of H@m@s. H@m@s is the creation of Isr@el. What's Ham@s' problem? Why are they doing this? Surely, it's not just some cat and mouse game they're playing simply out of hatred for the Jews because then they would be long gone and would have absolutely no supporters from anywhere in the world, yes? H@m@s' problem is the treatment, eradication, and illegal sl@ughter!ng, illegal arrest, and illegal convictions of innocent P@lestini@ns that has been continuing from not 0ctober 7th, but from all the way back in 1948 to now. Had Isr@el not carried out decades of t0rture, @ssault, inhum@ne treatment, and injustice against the P@lest!nians, so many vindictive orphans that have lost their parents an family, parents that have lost their children, men who've lost their wives, children and have had their entire families wiped out, men that have lost their friends, family, neighbors, relatives, everything, wouldn't have come together to form an army driven by rage and revenge to destroy the ones that wiped out everything they'd ever known, loved, and had... Before you blame H@m@s 75 and counting years of injustice, inhum@ne brutality and violence, think about their motive, think about why they did what they did, and think about what caused them to become what they are right now and think about why Isr@el did all of this. H@m@s didn't exist during the N@kb@ and neither did it exist 20-30 years after the N@kb@, how do you justify the events that took place in that duration? No H@m@s. No 0ctober 7th to justify... H@m@s didn't exist during the N@kba and neither did it exist 20-30 years after theN@kba, how do you justify the events that took place in that duration? No H@m@s. No 0ctober 7th. The reason to the was apartheid towards the Muslims, and Arabs, P@lestinians or actually, everyone Non-Jew and Arab. About the 'pe@ce offer', they rejected it, yes, why? Maybe because Isr@3l offered absolutely none of their own occupied land and they offered instead the occupied territories, Sinai and one other, of Egypt which would cause conflict between P@lestine and Egypt. Great planning, Isr@el. But good thing the P@lestinians and the Arabs denied because Egypt regained control after 1960-1970. Oh, and pulling out? Only that it never happened. They pulled out some people and pushed the P@lestinians inside because they were too much of a bother to God's people, apparently which is why they pulled most out and the ones that did stay got a ton load of benefits. And no, the lDF never pulled out. There's literally video footage taken by the lDF themselves years and months before 0ctober 7th showing their active presence in G@z@ and P@lestine. They control the Aqs@ mosque more than Jordan and Yemen and they deny Muslims entry and allow the Jews to enter which is quite provocative. Not to mention, they open fire and throw grenades inside the Aqs@ mosque every year during Ramadan. They control and survey every aspect and inch of P@lestine which is where we come to my thinking of H@m@s and how they operated in P@lestine without Isr@el having a single clue. That's because Isr@el knew. They allowed 0ctober 7th to happen so they have a reason to eradicate all of P@lestine. You're really telling me that Isr@el, the country with one of the most strongest militaries in the world, needs funds from America, Canada, Australia, UK, and so many other nations to defeat H@m@s? They literally use pickup trucks for tanks and parachutes for air force and have like 1/4 of your strength yet you portray yourself as the victim. Also, Isr@3l literally has one of the most advanced national security systems and you're telling me that those terr0rists got in through one of the most secure borders on the planet without being electrocuted or shot to de@th? And they were in there for 7 hours even though the lDF has the capability to end all of H@m@s in a maximum of thirty minutes but no, H@m@s was in there for 7 hours and Isr@3l did absolutely nothing about but use it as an excuse to justify 75 years of inhuman brutality AND immediate war and g3n0cide and what's worse, people believe it. How hilarious. BTW, there's video testimony of an lDF border surveillance soldier that was off duty who explained all of this. The authorities even asked the Prime Minister if they should cancel the music festival due to suspicious motion and activity detected around the border but no, they conducted the music festival knowing fully well that it would result in the loss of famous iron dome of Isr@3l during the @irstrike on 0ctober 7th? What? Did it break and and suddenly fix a few days later? Pathetic.

@elhaam._

6 ай бұрын

Oh, it seems to have been delivered. Great. At least it can stay for an hour before I have to fight with the algorithm to repost it. Edit 2: Regarding my suggestion. Alright, the first point I would like to make clear and apparent is that my problem isn't with the 0ccupation, I understand that Is@el was the stronger power and they occupied P@lest!ne to which the P@lestin!ans could not oppose to since their strength was quite weak when compared to Isr@el so I find it acceptable that Isr@el has that land but what I do not find acceptable is the mass@cre of the innocent P@lestinians in 1948 during the N@kba, the inhuman brutality, violence, racism, apartheid, and inhumane treatment that they suffer on a daily basis. I suggest either a two-state solution but that would be very hard to master if the world only sides with Isr@el because like every other developing nation, P@lestine deserves a proper governance and living standards for which they will need a lot of help. The other solution is giving the Palestinians Isr@eli citizenships and passports, much like Turkey before the occupation who gave the Jewish refugees Turkish passports and citizenships, because according to International law, they're now Isr@elis. They should be given equal rights, the same as Jews without facing any judgement and apartheid. They should have evervthing a normal Isr@eliJew would have as a citizen. But all of which I have said, Isr@el has refused in the name of 'H@m@s' They do not understand the fundaments and basis of H@m@s and what caused H@m@s to form in the first place. And the Muslims shouldn't have to go anywhere, they have a right to live on their land. But if they desire, they can emigrate but then that would mean that the P@lestinians have no land of their own and the Jews have the entire country that originally belonged to the P@lestinians. All in all, I believe Isr@3l should exist and has a right to a land of its own but that doesn't give it the right to commit g3n0cide and oppress another nation. So, a two state solution or Isr@eli citizenship for P@lestinians is what, in my opinion, we should be trying to establish. I believe in P@lestine's right to be a free state or having rights and privileges the same as other Jews and Isr@elis and I believe that Isr@el should exist, too but in harmony and acceptance with the P@lestinians and vice versa, and as I've said before, that will not be possible unless the hatred, discrimination, and violence is acknowledged and accepted by both sides and is resolved in an appropriate manner so that history does not repeat in a circle again. This resolution will be fairly difficult but with the support and willingness of the world, it can be possible though it will be hard at first, it will eventually be accepted and adapted by the people of both nations. More importantly, there needs to be a very desired change in the governments of not only Isr@el and P@lestine, but the US and possibly many if not all countries because our justice system and world is quite frankly doomed.

@elhaam._

6 ай бұрын

Never mind, it has been deleted…