I'm thrilled that everyone is enjoying Titanic month! But now I need to start looking ahead. Leave me your suggestions on topics/foods they'd like to see in the next few months.

@Lauren.E.O

2 жыл бұрын

Argentina in the 40s and 50s would be a good topic. Or foods fictional character Phoebe Snow (made for advertising the old Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad) would have had in the dining car during one of her trips.

@hannathehumblebard101

2 жыл бұрын

What about those scandalously large feasts served in Regency England? Or some of the treats served by those first shops serving ices or other treats? Perhaps I've been re-reading too many Regency romances lately XD

@Oberkommando

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Max, Look up "Titanic Honor and Glory" for visuals in your next Titanic video. They rebuild the Titanic virtually and the screenshots are no match to any of the old black and white pics.

@Jwaukechon

2 жыл бұрын

How about an historic Native dish? Something to highlight a part of Native American history?

@anamariaclaragrama-asztalo5562

2 жыл бұрын

Hungarian and Ottoman

One of the craziest stories from second class has to be that of Ruth Becker. She was 12, traveling back to America with her mother and two younger siblings after having spent the first part of her life in India, where her father was a missionary. On the night of the sinking, she and her family went to the boat deck to wait for a lifeboat, but her mother sent her back to the cabin to get blankets for her siblings. As she went below decks, an officer took Ruth's siblings, placed them into a lifeboat, and called for it to be lowered. Her mother panicked and begged to be let on, which the officer did. So 12 year old Ruth got back on deck just in time to see her family being lowered away in another lifeboat! Her mother yelled for her to get into another one, so, she approached an officer and asked to be let in. Seeing a 12 year old all alone, he literally chucked her into lifeboat 13 (the same one Lawrence Beesley was in) and they lowered into the water. Even though she was just 12 and all alone, she remained calm, passing out her blankets to the stokers on the lifeboat who were dressed in nothing but shorts and thin shirts, mending the hand of an injured stoker, and soothing a young woman who had lost her baby. She was so steadfast throughout the whole thing even her mother was shocked. When they docked in New York the family was mobbed by reporters asking for questions and her mother just went "ask Ruth!" She didn't talk about the event for much of her life until the late 70s, when Titanic historians tracked her down and she started to open up about her experience. She was one of the few survivors who maintained that the ship broke in two, even reprimanding a Titanic historian who said she was wrong at a convention in the early 80s. She became friends with Titanic historians Ken Marschall and Don Lynch. Marschall tells this great story of watching "A Night To Remember" with her and saying how surreal it was to watch a movie of the event with an actual survivor and hearing her go "Oh I remember that." There's some great interviews with her on KZread. Thanks, Max!

@giovannirastrelli9821

2 жыл бұрын

I consider her the Anne Frank of Titanic passengers (albeit with a much happier ending) because 90% of Titanic children’s books are told from her perspective.

@rejoyce318

2 жыл бұрын

That IS fascinating. Thanks for sharing her story, choff14; now I want to check out those interviews.

@RonJohn63

2 жыл бұрын

Children can be very strong.

@hooraayy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! I should look up for her story/interviews!

@MelancholyMoondancer

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! I've never heard of that. Thanks for sharing!

Ah, Escoffier, our old friend. Now I’m imagining he made 20 *slight* variations of this dish and named them after people he wanted to impress.

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo!

@IamNasman

2 жыл бұрын

A good idea though, after all we’re still talking about him today and no ones ever heard of ‘Fred Escargot another brilliant chef who had a better pallet and was far more creative, but a worse self promoter!

@hermanlind1996

2 жыл бұрын

@@IamNasman A french chef called snail in surname are you trolling?

@aubreydaniels-gomez9278

2 жыл бұрын

And, why not?

@IamNasman

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermanlind1996 no offence intended, I was just trying for an unlikely name.

“It was impossible to open a regulation steamer trunk in said cabin” has to be the most 1912 worded complaint I’ve ever seen

A man lived near my grandmother, he survived that sinking. I’m in Michigan, and the man initially lived near the stadium in Detroit when he arrived in Michigan. He told my grandmother that he had to move away, he couldn’t bear to hear the crowds roar when someone hit a home run (or big play). He said the sound of the roar took him back to that night, and he had to move away. Long story short… he lived near my grandmother until he passed away. I always think of the sinking every time I hear the roar of a large crowd, because that’s what he said it sounded like.

@destructodanie

2 жыл бұрын

It's wild what PTSD will do to you. The somatic and tactile flashbacks like he described can make people feel like they are "Tripping" taking a hallucinogen back to that moment. I have PTSD from childhood SA, can't imagine how much that would bother someone.

@sisterspooky

2 жыл бұрын

@@destructodanie - Yeah, I agree. I don’t have PTSD, I am so sorry to hear you suffer from it. I’m not sure what the acronym you used means, I apologize. The trauma he experienced, I simply cannot imagine. I know he used to chat with her over their mutual fence quite frequently, from what she told me. My grandmother has been gone a long time, and he passed away quite some time before she did. I don’t know how old the man was, and I can’t remember his name. What he told her always stuck in my mind. Now when I hear a large group of people making that ‘roar’ as they do, I think of him and the sinking he survived. I sure hope he’s resting in peace, the dude deserved it!

@linsioux217

2 жыл бұрын

He was on "Death of a Dream and The Legend Lives On", a documentary on A & E. I forget his name now.

@sisterspooky

2 жыл бұрын

@@linsioux217 - Really!?!? That’s awesome! I’ll have to look that up! Thanks!!!!!

@kaitlyn__L

2 жыл бұрын

@@sisterspooky it stands for sexual abuse/assault, which is up there with witnessing deaths in terms of how common flashbacks are among survivors, and their severity, frequency, and immersion. (I sure would like it if I weren’t speaking from experience on both counts to compare, but what can you do except to try and live your life.) Let’s see if KZread lets this through or if it gets filtered!

I clicked so scandalously fast, ladies at the first class passed out.

@brainboostingpills

2 жыл бұрын

Same lol!

@rokkfel4999

2 жыл бұрын

Oh heavens darling you are making us blush at your impropriety

@TheHeroRises

2 жыл бұрын

Gave me the vapors!

@emmythemac

2 жыл бұрын

I want to like this comment but it currently has exactly 69 likes so I'll just leave it as is

@endertuber8300

2 жыл бұрын

Such hooligans nowadays, I swear!... Not fancying the proper way to click on a video...!

Eva Hart died in 1996. She did many interviews regarding her time on the Titanic. She said she suffered from nightmares for years after. She decided to face the "demons" and booked a cruise where she locked herself into her state room for a few days. My daughter did a paper on Eva when she was in Middle School. We live in East Tennessee, near Pigeon Forge where they have a Titanic exhibit. One of the things is you are given a card with a passenger name and details- at the end of the tour you find out if you survived or died. By chance my daughter was given Eva Harts card. This was after she did her paper.

@MMallon425

2 жыл бұрын

The National World War II Museum in New Orleans does something similar, where you're assigned a servicemember and you can swipe the card from exhibit to exhibit to find out more of their story as it unfolds.

@varana

2 жыл бұрын

On the other side of the pond, a museum in Bremerhaven, Germany does it as well for people who emigrated to America.

@roetemeteor

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I've been there too. I also ended up getting a second-class card, although I don't remember who I got originally. All I know is that it was a man who ended up dying of a heart attack after he was swimming in the ocean. I couldn't help but think that that was pushing his luck, and the ocean finally got to him.

@cas4040

2 жыл бұрын

That’s eerie, but really awesome.

@deedeeramone34

2 жыл бұрын

they do something similar at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C.

A note about the lifeboats: the common belief and procedure that many have believed for years was that Captain Smith gave the order, "Women and children only" and many of the crew took it that way, however it's since been revealed that that was likely a misinterpretation of his orders, which were likely "women and children first", simply meaning women and children board first and men to follow if there are no other women and children nearby, ready to board but again, due to misinterpretation, many boats were launched partially full because several crew believed no men were allowed aboard.

@tiffanysbeautyhouse755

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like in dire situations why would anyone think the caption would want a boat to go with not enough people in it rather than filling and making sure you save more lives.. terrible and I do hope now we have more of a method for that.. I always think how terrible I’d feel if I got on a boat with my daughter if my husband couldn’t come with us.. I’d want to get off but what about my poor toddler who needs her mother at this time.. who needs her father but shouldn’t be without one or the other. My heart would just bust.

@thegamingpigeon3216

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanysbeautyhouse755 "I feel like in dire situations why would anyone think the caption would want a boat to go with not enough people" According to a few crew member interviews, most, not all, but most of the crew was unaware just how dire the situation truly was. Many thought it was just a precaution.

@tiffanysbeautyhouse755

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegamingpigeon3216 I’ve heard that too and I don’t understand why staff would think sending out boats to the middle of the ocean is some kind of precaution. I feel like that’s just hopeful thinking. Caption really should have made it more clear.

@thegamingpigeon3216

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanysbeautyhouse755 Again, this is just based off of interviews and peoples theorizations (as well as White Star Line protocol at the time), but I believe the line of thinking was just get them off the boat as a precaution until help arrives (they believed the ship would stay afloat) and let the other ship take in passengers and assess the damage.

@JeanLucCaptain

2 жыл бұрын

and this is why you have an mergency evacuation plan. the titanic was such a mess under all the glamour it may as well ahve had a bomb on board.

Eva Hart story is the most mind blowing one. Her mother had a bad feeling about the trip from start and a few other people had the same feeling like the owner of Hershey choclate. He canceled the trip as his mother won't let them go as they had a bad feeling about the trip.

@lynncibelli3534

Жыл бұрын

Very talented storyteller. Thanks.

@GSBroker

11 ай бұрын

People were a lot more supersticious back then. I bet it was quite common to cancel a trip because someone "had a feeling".

@lavykhurana

11 ай бұрын

@@GSBroker in this case look it up her mother would not sleep at night and would sleep only during the day. Like she was waiting for the moment.

@franciscasilva8406

7 ай бұрын

@@GSBroker It's not just superstition. You should listen to your instincts, they're eerily accurate sometimes.

Nothing second-class about this episode, Max. You are a great storyteller (and an eloquent gourmand)!

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏😁

@terrybull1534

2 жыл бұрын

He's married. Calm down 💯🤟🤣

@horizontk

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrybull1534 imagine not being able to compliment a content creator without people thinking they're coming on to him

@hennie_booboo

2 жыл бұрын

but just in case... how strong is his marriage...

@rifwann

2 жыл бұрын

i second this

I was actually wondering if you were going to cover crew meals. The crew always fascinated me. The Captain who seemingly surrendered himself to his fate on the bridge. The stokers and mechanics who kept the generators going until the end. The musicians who tried to calm the passengers. And the wireless operators who continued to send out distress messages until the end. Coming from Hospitality, I find it fascinating that so many continued to perform their duties in the face of imminent death.

@gimzod76

2 жыл бұрын

I think he said he was covering the crew meals in the first video

@thethirdrichard7787

2 жыл бұрын

The two Marconi officers have an amazing story! And they were so young too.

@benberlin57

2 жыл бұрын

I work in the foodservice industry and honestly I don't know if I would have been able to do this, the whole do your duty to the bitter end.

@thethirdrichard7787

2 жыл бұрын

@@benberlin57 I haven't researched this more thoroughly yet, but IIRC, the staff of the French restaurant couldn't get out of their quarters and weren't able to attempt to survive even if they wanted to. Only two women that would have work front of house survived I think there was some discussion between the two about going back or wondering about them hoping they got a boat but none survived... They were employed by the restaurant and not the White Star Line, and spoke french or Italian and weren't as equipped to handle a disaster at sea on an English speaking ship.

@benberlin57

2 жыл бұрын

@@thethirdrichard7787 It just goes to show that for all that Titanic was a pretty boat in what our rose-colored lenses romanticize as a better era, humanity is/was/always will be a real piece of work 🤦‍♂️

This dish literally made me drool while you were making it, so I had my husband pick up some demi glace from a local butcher and we had it for dinner! We took your advice and lowered the vinegar. It was every bit as tasty as I thought it would be!! Thank you so much!!!

@vonhellsing6406

2 жыл бұрын

Now you have to try it with a fully charged load of vinegar. You got that same taste with a bit more bite.

@Michelle-pn9xt

2 жыл бұрын

What is glace?

@jasonbrody8957

11 ай бұрын

​@@Michelle-pn9xtIt's the sauce that was used in the recipe

@hotlavatube

7 ай бұрын

I wonder how the vinegar used in the early 1900s differed from that produced today. From a quick search, I've seen that the percent acidity has varied widely over the years. It could be that the white wine vinegar back then wasn't as strong as today where it is regulated to >4% acetic acid. As this era was before everything was standardized and regulated to the nth degree, the chef probably had a preferred brand the recipe is based upon.

As a history lover, Titanic lover, and my love to cook..... This is the greatest Titanic series. Hell, I was so lost in the story, I forgot you were even making the Chicken haha. LOVE this channel bro!

@TastingHistory

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@deniaridley

4 ай бұрын

I know! I was like, "oh yeah, Max was making chicken!". LOL

2nd class is where the “women and children first” rule really held. The only children to die were in 3rd class and all the 2nd class women who were lost chose to remain but the worst death rate that night was among the 2nd class men almost all of whom were lost. Beesley was one of only a handful of surviving men.

@vysharra

2 жыл бұрын

For me, it’s really crazy anyone got on the lifeboats at all in the beginning of the evacuation. Almost every previous civilian maritime disaster had few to no survivors from lifeboats. The number of people who survived this disaster was truly unprecedented and the fact it was the people who left to sit in open boats in icy waters who survived rather than those who remained warm in the damaged ship was (at the time) historically backwards. As for the Titanic, it’s so terrible there were not enough lifeboats for everyone because in _this_ instance, the lifeboats were the right bet, since the Titanic sank too fast for rescue to arrive. Our current safety standards, both in evacuation procedures and life boat numbers, are written in large part with the blood of all those men who didn’t deserve to die.

@Liless

2 жыл бұрын

@@vysharra no doubt helped by the Marconi wireless telegraph on board which was pretty new technology for the time

@smartpersonjdt

2 жыл бұрын

I think one girl did die in First Class because their maid got onto a boat with her brother without their parents' knowledge and so they spent valuable time looking for him and that unfortunately cost them their lives. Very sad story.

@RobinTheBot

2 жыл бұрын

@@vysharra it is important to remember this was by design. Third class couldn't in most case get to the top in time, they were not well notified and there was no plan to make sure they would be, and many died much earlier on in the disaster than the farther-from-damage 2nd and 1st class.

@AnarexicSumo

2 жыл бұрын

@Princesse De l'Irréel Only because second class was by far the smallest and first class saw the least deaths despite also being many more than third. It was a class thing any way you look at it.

I'm sure you already know the reason behind the fact that third class had their main meal at lunchtime, but just for anyone who doesn't know. It originates from the service industry, people in service i.e. 'servants' had to have their main meal at lunchtime, because the Masters usually had a small (often cold) lunch (as we do now) and their main meal was at night, so the working classes, often in service would have a large meal when the work was light and then a meal called 'Tea' which was smaller. Even up to the 80s when I was a child, the working class English called their lunch ,Dinner and their Dinner, Tea.

@macraghnaill3553

2 жыл бұрын

I have my dinner around 12pm and tea [a sandwhich ]in the evening, can't really call a sandwhich "dinner"

@stanbrown32

2 жыл бұрын

Referring to the midday meal as dinner and the evening meal as supper is traditional in the American South--at least the rural South--and maybe rural America as a whole? But 20th/21st century cultural standardization is making it rare now.

@mimhay912

2 жыл бұрын

I still say that to this day... Always will. Northern 😂🤷

@kristinejohanek

2 жыл бұрын

@@mimhay912, Me, too! All of my grandparents & many friends' parents were farmers. They did the early morning meal of cold potatoes or toast, milked, had a big breakfast of eggs, oatmeal, toast and bacon, ham or sausage, did the morning work, ate dinner around 1:00, and that was the big meal. Then part time workers would go home (they ate dinner with the farmer's family) and then, usually a nap until 2:30 or 3:00. Then afternoon work (my neighbor drove the school bus in the afternoon.) and milking and then supper , which was often soup and sandwiches with pickled veggies. Around 7:30, church choir, township meetings, basketball games, etc. About 9:30 a dish of ice cream as a nighttime snack, and then to bed around 10:00, to get up at 5:00 the next morning to do it all again.

@rolebo1

2 жыл бұрын

It is still pretty common for traditionally working class to have their hot meal at around midday. But I myself have only seen it in the agricultural sector, my godfather is a dairy farmer and when me and my sister would spend the day there we would also have a hot meal around midday.

I really like this channel the comments aren’t a burning fury of random arguments but rather civil conversations and I love the videos and the mix of cooking and history

I'd so love to see meals from flying and train travel 1940-1970s. Also, Native American food, Appalachian and Amish foods. I am new to you tonight, so I apologize if you've covered these. Tyvm.

@niseplank4527

2 жыл бұрын

Chicken corn soup, rivels, funeral pie, schnitz, and whoopie pies!

@JadedKate

2 жыл бұрын

amish foods are simple, just research amish cookbooks. it's basically mostly what they can grow in their vegetable patch. and a lot of pork. they don't eat fish or seafood because they live in rural Pennsylvania. They pickle all their vegetables. Just think what we would eat if we didn't have a fridge or freezer.

@Aki-gb8gm

Жыл бұрын

@@JadedKate looking at amish food reminds me of the german food i grew up on (ig that makes sense though lol)

@cannibal_redneck7109

Жыл бұрын

@@Aki-gb8gm Pennsylvania Dutch descendant here, and yeah its basically german food but only stuff that could be found in rural PA.

@andrealuisecandido1154

Жыл бұрын

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In Escoffier's time, sauce demi-glace was made with sauce Espagnole cut with some veal stock and reduced, rather than just reduced veal stock like today. The sauce espangole is a roux-thickened beef stock and has sugar and tomatoes in it, it's like a mix between American style gravy and Italian-American Sunday Gravy. It's sweet and very intense, so that probably explains why he adds so much vinegar here. And why people add tomato paste to the modern version.

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation. And also why it takes two days to follow his recipe for the sauce.

@Finwolven

2 жыл бұрын

And I thought making modenr demi-glace was a pain in the ol' panini! Imagine first cooking a good gravy and then thinning it out with stock just to reduce it again - just to get an ingredient to put in the final sauce!

@goatkidmom

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finwolven Sounds to me like this was originally a frugal way to use up each night's leftover gravy.

@jaspervanheycop9722

2 жыл бұрын

@@Finwolven It's one of those sauces that only exists in a kitchen that has the stocks bubbling away constantly in big pots (it's still a common way to use up leftovers), and probably a tomato sauce too, so it becomes a matter of throwing all those together.

@Belgand

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaspervanheycop9722 The difference between "what am I going to do with all of these veal bones?" and "where am I going to get all of those veal bones!?" Sadly there are some recipes and techniques that make plenty of sense in a commercial kitchen but don't translate to home cooking.

Over ten years ago my English teacher told us about the time she met with a survivor of the tragedy of the Titanic and she (the survivor) told her that some people of first class were beating the third class passengers that were trying to climb onto the boats because they (the so called gentlemen and ladies) didn't want those sort of people in their boat. Some people were colder that the iceberg that night.

@MrBasinator

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gigadweeb well ßiII Gate$ would, he thinks there's too many of us. Eugeni¢s ¢reep, like his father.

@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gigadweeb You know if anything does happen and the poor class is wiped out then who is going to wipe their butt you left out Gates, Musk, Pelosi Clinton O mongrel, and the rest of the elite list and let's not forget Zuckerberg

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this Gustavo. This anecdote is 100% believable. Same thing would happen today, for only slightly different reasons. I'm never impressed by human so-called evolution and development and all of humanities technological advances because how we behave, our emotional IQ and our brutal, basic nature as human beings always comes down to anecdotes like this. You see someone's true character, their true Self either when they're given real power or their life is threatened. Mobs, violence, hysteria, manipulation, greed, deception, crude desperation for peer approval, immature psychological awareness...all of it. Actions always ALWAYS speak louder than words. I remain very unmoved by humanity's so-called 'progress'. Until we become more emotionally intelligent and better integrated as psycholgoically savvy creatures with profound insight into our hideously complex nature-- who we are-- I'm just not dazzled and convinced by all the wonderful technological advancements because all that is moving ahead at warp speed whilst human nature is as crude and stupid as ever. There's no balance and integration in our development. We have something as marvellous as social media and the internet and yet look at how people behave on these platforms. I wish our development as humans was more even and balanced and I worry a great deal about this ferocious imbalance and what it REALLY signals for the human race.

@docbrown3139

2 жыл бұрын

Some things never change it seems..

@Nancy-ps2zj

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the 3rd class went up to the top to see what was going on.The rest of 3rd class got locked in on purpose.

I have waited 24 years for information about the second class. This is the longest video dedicated to them.

I put your channel on whenever I’m having a tough time, sometimes even just in the background. Your calm demeanor and upbeat way of telling history really becomes almost meditative. Thank you for all your great content and please keep up the amazing work.

“I would like to speak to the manager of the titanic” I laughed so hard at this part lol

@BadSkeelz

2 жыл бұрын

_Nervous Bruce Ismay sweating._

@teawithmarmalade

2 жыл бұрын

@@BadSkeelz Let’s be real. Everyone wanted to talk to the manager after the sinking.

Jeez, I almost forgot about the food I got so caught up in the story telling. I felt like a little kid at book time again. Loving this Titanic series so far Max, great stuff, can't wait to see the rest.

When I was in middle school, we had a segment where we learned about the Titanic. We even went to a Science Center exhibit after the unit where we learned more about it. During class time, we watched videos of recreations of the disaster, and they must have included Lawrence’s account in the video, because it had the same lines about the lights going out, “altogether.”, so this makes me think that they were recreating accounts with actors and actresses! Pretty neat!

@andrealuisecandido1154

Жыл бұрын

wHen i was 15 i have become A full porcelaine Dishes Service min 08 - 0: 11 looks like cobalt blue .... very Expensive

Actually roast chicken was a very common dish for second class passengers. Chicken was ate a lot by the middle classes, especially in Britain during a traditional Sunday lunch, accompanied with a lot of vegetables.

I'm really obsessed with the woman saying there was a "crazed Italian" on her lifeboat because I feel like considering the situation it would've just been an international gathering of "crazed" people. I'm guessing she didn't like Italians.

@bsteven885

2 жыл бұрын

@Loki Fish, a good source of how some people thought of Italians in the first half of the 20th Century is a scene from the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" when Potter snarled about "garlic eaters."

@TheMichigami

2 жыл бұрын

Italian hate was a big thing in those days, it's part of why things like starting Columbus Day were attempted to combat some of it trying to calm down some of the public hatred and bigotry against em here in the states. Lot of laws are still on the books unenforced in places that were meant to deter them and other ethnic groups from moving into certain neighborhoods back in the day, even things like banning being able to grow tomatoes, garlic, and cabbage in your home gardens. It's a long complicated history that gets glossed over and partially forgotten nowadays because of generational trauma and whitewashing.

@asmith8692

2 жыл бұрын

What do you want to bet that the "crazed" Italian was an Italian matriarch not willing to put up with Shelly's crap.

@DIEGhostfish

2 жыл бұрын

Generally southern Europeans were regarded as indecently expressive and loud, so she was probably objecting to their larticular trauma respose as being uncouth amd fitting her preexisting stereotypes.

@brendanfoehr5086

2 жыл бұрын

One of the Titanic's officers literally had to publicly apologize to the entire nation of Italy after the inquest where he basically used the word "Italian" as a synonym for coward *multiple times*. Many passengers accused others who behaved poorly during the sinking of having been Italian or some form of minority. Also, the six Chinese men who survived the sinking were literally denied entry into the US because of the Chinese Exclusion Act, while some newspapers wrote that the real tragedy was that so many Scandinavian Third Class passengers had perished. One First Class passenger, Eleanor Cassebeer, made an anti-Semitic remark to another passenger, Benjamin Foreman- not knowing he was Jewish and because I guess that was the sort of thing you could just say in casual conversation to a stranger back then- and was so mortified she ended up trying to apologize, and the two became friends over the course of the voyage. She spoke at his funeral, and said she was ashamed of herself and grateful to have met him. There's... a lot to digest about this time period.

While the stories of the survivors are all very important and interesting to listen to, nothing really makes me cry like the story of the ship who saved them and the captain who asked more from his ship than it was meant to give. RMS Carpathia and her captain, A.H. Rostron, were the true heroes of that night. They were far enough away that no one would blame them for not showing up and helping the way they did, but they did it anyways, at breakneck speed. In remembering the Titanic, I feel we have an obligation to remember this trusty little steamboat and her captain who answered the call. Max, if you see this, please remember RMS Carpathia and Captain Rostron.

@ryanwarunek8385

2 жыл бұрын

Damnit, now you got me choked up

@vickielfisher5298

2 жыл бұрын

BRAVO 🙌 BRAVO 🙌 Heroic Indeed. Thanks for Reminding Us🙏

@srn4004.

2 жыл бұрын

You really got me crying over a steamboat. This was written really well

@harrietharlow9929

2 жыл бұрын

@@srn4004. The Carpathia really came through that night. Later her Chief Engineer said that at one point, he put his cap over the steam gauge so that he wouldn't have to see how high the pressure was--apparently he was concerned something might blow. But from a service speed of 14.5 knots, he was able to get her up to 17.5 knots. She was never again able to reach that speed. There is a scene in the Titanic miniseries of 1996, where a young officer asks Carpathia's captain, "Would it not be more prudent to slow down, sir". Rostron looks at him and says "We do not have the luxury of prudence". Every time I see that scene, the tears flow.

@davidfuller581

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 It's frankly kind of amazing that Carpathia didn't vibrate her engines to pieces - that ship was older and used reciprocating engines only, which couldn't keep up their maximum speed for very long, never mind 20% above that.

I have always been so fascinated by everything related to the Titanic. I admit that I was so enthralled with the story, I completely forgot you were cooking until the chicken came into view🤣 Thank you for this series & the Titanic theme!

The way you tell the survivors tales, whew. I've cried on this video and the 3rd glass one. I've been to the titanic museum in Tennessee, felt the water. But hearing the accounts really drives home, how human these people were. So different then us, because of the time period. But so very similar, even a century apart. It's said within the next 30 years, the wreck will fully dissolve. But the stories of the survivors and the bravery of some, will live forever.

@AverageAlien

Жыл бұрын

They were not different at all

Yesterday I learned that the ship's cat survived the sinking along with her five kittens. She saw the ship was in distress, and in four trips, got all of her kittens to a life boat where they were picked up, and cuddled by the ladies on the boat. Womeown and children first after all.

@rwolfheart6580

2 жыл бұрын

It seems that story is partially apocryphal. There was a ship's cat named Jenny who had kittens onboard, but there's no evidence they survived. Several dogs did survive though!

@coiler_119

2 жыл бұрын

@@rwolfheart6580 By several, only 3 survived the sinking

@rejoyce318

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there! :)

@rb2157

2 жыл бұрын

If I were in a lifeboat in the North Atlantic, I think a cat and kittens would be a great comfort.

@cam4636

2 жыл бұрын

I'd read that she moved her kittens off the ship at the last stop, and thus they weren't even onboard when it sunk. I don't know how true that is either.

Long and slowly browned onions can get insanely sweet, which might be the reason for the larger ammount of vinegar called for in the recipe.

@666louis

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and not burnt onions like in this iteration ^^

@MarschelArts

2 жыл бұрын

@@666louis Happens to the best of us. every now and then :)

@rejoyce318

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarschelArts Some of us more "now" than "then," however. ;)

@feiryfella

2 жыл бұрын

@@666louis Yeah, them onions were burnt!

@KB4QAA

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps British vinegar may have been of lower strength at the time?

I'm a huge Titanic buff. Your research and reporting is meticulous and engaging...as per usual, Max. I thoroughly appreciate and admire the comprehensive, painstaking and arduous work that goes into the making of each of your videos. Wishing you continued success. ❤

I can say without a doubt, you would be able to tell homemade vs. store bought demiglace. "Would you like it better or worse?" is a better question, and "Is it worth it?" is ultimately the best question. We tested at the house when we had some company over on some choice steaks and there was definitely a difference, but some preferred one vs. the other, etc! At the end of the day, Chef John has a great recipe for demiglace, and I freeze it in an ice cube tray for keeping it for months.

So two fun stories about Lawrence Beesley. For second-class passengers who didn't take the (almost late) boat train, they were allowed to take a tour through the First Class quarters for a look. Lawrence spent some time in the gymnasium riding one of the electric exercise bicycles and was photographed by a newspaper photographer--making him one of the few (perhaps 3 or 4) identifiable survivors actually pictured in the Titanic's passenger quarters. Forty-five years later, Lawrence Beesley was tracked down by Roy Ward Baker, who was directing the upcoming film "A Night to Remember." Lawrence ended up advising on a lot of the historic details of the film (making it one of the best recreations of the disaster, according to a lot of historians). During the final sinking scene, he tried to sneak onto the set of the ship's stern to "go down with the ship this time" but (for better or worse) was escorted off the set due to the rules of the actor's union.

@stickychocolate8155

2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating! I never knew there were so many stories about this night until max started this series and I read the comments. Thanks for your addition!

@kyrab7914

2 жыл бұрын

Aww. That's funny that this 60-70 yo man was just like "now's my chance to go down with the ship!" Like, very blasè

@tinad8561

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyrab7914 Or survivor’s guilt

@kyrab7914

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinad8561 good point. I was thinking the common "stiff upper lip" attitude, but living through that- especially knowing there were never going to be enough lifeboats, and that most were lowered half empty- would have to be devastating to many. I thought about the cook from the a la carte restaurant and how 10 of his family members worked there as well. And the fact that he was a larger man. Like you wouldn't want to jeopardize multiple ppl's possibility of safe escape. And your family was definitely going to die regardless. Such a hard decision and hard to live with

@tinad8561

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyrab7914 agreed on the hard decisions. I tried briefly to imagine being on board with my family (all male)-would I get in the lifeboat or would I go down with them on deck…never did resolve the hypothetical question, but successfully gave myself a prolonged case of the blues.

Max's interpretation of Mrs Shelley's complaints made me laugh out loud! What a sad, sad person you have to be to complain about being uncomfortable in a lifeboat when hundreds of people are drowning a few meters away.

@bsteven885

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the typical billionaire nowadays! 😜

@josephmontanaro2350

2 жыл бұрын

Best response to her at the time would be "hey if your not happy with the conditions your more then welcome to leave, plenty of people who wouldn't mind trading their soggy flotsam or cork lifebelt"

@fedra76it

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I suspect she suffered from very serious chronic pain. She said she was ill, and that the room coldness badly affected her. I do know people that, even with the benefit of today's painkillers, have to endure pretty heavy pain; their mood is often characterized by rage and complaint. Quite understandably. This said, she clearly was not helping herself by being sooooo annoying :)

@slwrabbits

2 жыл бұрын

She gives me flashbacks to dealing with clients.

@hotmixxable

2 жыл бұрын

The first Karen , ladies and gentlemen!

I am a history buff, and I love trying new recipes...the older, the better. I love the idea of re-creating ancient recipes. You are my historico-recipe hero. Long may you post. I think my favorite thing about your vids, aside from the history itself, is that you are honest about the food. You're like, "yes, this is delicious," or, "ugh...um...yeah, not my favorite." I can always tell if I want to make a recipe from your honest reaction. Also...You'd be a great history teacher for kids. I mean, like a TV series. You can tell when someone truly loves history for its own sake, and you seem to. I think you'd make history fun for kids, and thus inspire a love for history in them. History in school is so damn boring for most people because you can tell the teachers don't really care. I've had teachers who loved history and those who didn't care, and you can tell. One is fun, the other is boring af. And forget ice cream...I'll take Italian Ice any day of the week. : D

Now that I'm retired, I have two main passions: cooking and history. I often wondered what my grandparents experienced during their crossing from Hamburg to NYC IN 1927 and indeed what they ate aboard. Thanks for the info about Titanic which still fascinates me. While my grandfather served in the German Navy during WW1, my father and I served in the USN- him during the Korean War and me during Viet Nam.

Imagine Max was your history teacher in school and you got to eat some amazing new dish every time you have class

@Lionstar16

2 жыл бұрын

You would certainly never eat standard school lunches again lol

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds fun and exhausting 🤣

@savourymilkman8147

2 жыл бұрын

@@TastingHistory max class of 20 people u gonna have to cook for all of us. By students I mean me by 20 I mean me

@katarh

2 жыл бұрын

I actually had a science teacher who paired many lessons with candy or food. Especially cells of the body - striated muscle became Twizzlers, fat cells became marshmallows, and squamous cells became Necco wafers. Food absolutely makes lessons last forever.

@justintr4888

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Max was your music teacher and you got stuck playing the hardtack cymbals. *clack clack*

The woman who stayed up all night because she'd convinced herself Titanic was bound to sink from the start, then lost her husband in the sinking has got to be one of the worst 'I told you so' moments in history. All the people who refused to get on the lifeboats because they felt safer on the ship may seem mad with hindsight, but it was actually true in the case of a lot of maritime disasters- lifeboats could be more easily swamped in stormy seas. The Titanic wasn't expected to have space for everyone on the lifeboats because their job wasn't seen as necessarily to save everybody at once, but to serve as a means to transport passengers from a stricken ship to one coming to aid it. It was assumed they might need several trips.

@alexk7973

2 жыл бұрын

@FlyingMonkies325 there probably was a reason she needed to cross the ocean. And she would have to take some ship anyways. Might also be that she went along with what her husband had booked for them, she wouldn‘t have wanted to stay behind by herself and take a different ship and who would the daughter travel with and so on …

@alexk7973

2 жыл бұрын

@FlyingMonkies325 you are assuming she was making the choice. In those days, if her husband had decided he wanted to take that ship, that‘s the ship the family would take. From the story, the husband wasn‘t worried like she was. What was she supposed to do? Wouldn‘t have had any money of her own to book a passage on a different ship, which would have been a scandal anyways. And her own child was on that ship. Should she have let it board that ship without her, when she was convinced disaster would strike?

@faithlesshound5621

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that the life boats were meant to go to and from between ships: there was no provision to haul boats back up from the sea, nor was there any means to lower passengers safely from the deck to a life boat.

@ButterflyScarlet

2 жыл бұрын

@FlyingMonkies325 Also she didn't "know", she had a feeling and that could have just been chalked up to superstition or phobia. How many times do people step into planes thinking it will crash, only for nothing to happen? It's not like she had a vision of the future.

@alexk7973

2 жыл бұрын

@@1993digifan I did not know that. Interesting!

Just a few days ago I spoke with someone who was at the "Ground Zero" on 9/11, his account (which sort of brought me here) reminded me of the Titanic; a normal day horribly interrupted by fear, terror, suffering, anguish, human survival instincts, sense of uselessness, the sense of duty portrayed by police, EMTs, fire brigade, security staff, military etc...all similar to what those folks must have felt that dreadful night.

@susanfanning9480

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. Very real point.

@thehorrorhound6575

8 ай бұрын

What an interesting comparison that no one usually makes. I can see how that would be similar.

this video is one hell of a rollercoaster. I love how we go from the appaling noise of hundreds struggling in the icy water back to chicken lyonnaise recipe :)

@sonyavincent7450

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the full Titanic experience.

Max: *Gives harrowing account of historic disaster and ends it on a haunting note, describing the cries of those who could not be saved*. Two seconds later: "Hey, our chicken's ready!" Never ever change Max. I love what you do.

@bobbybologna3029

2 жыл бұрын

his candor makes it almost take some of the sting out of the event where some parts sound almost funny, gotta love it.

@arubinojr5670

2 жыл бұрын

I look forward to his retrospective on all the lovely little recipes Triangle Shirtwaist printed onto their line of aprons. (Note: I know neither if Triangle Shirtwaist printed aprons, nor anything on them.)

@hotmixxable

2 жыл бұрын

@@arubinojr5670 That event was just horrible. Especially when you hear about the working conditions and the ages of the women who died. I was 😭😭😭😭

@n.ayisha

2 жыл бұрын

there i was, wiping away a tear after that bone-chilling tale... and he is off tasting chicken. gotta love Max.

@stargirl7646

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t quite make the emotional switch fast enough lol

Tbh I'm not surprised to learn the 2nd class is least written about. One of my history teachers in... college, I think? Said something that's stuck with me over the years, if not the actual words at least the gist of what she said: people only tend to care about the first and the last of something, or the biggest and the smallest-- the extremes. Between that & the American attitude that everyone is a temporarily embarrassed future millionaire, actual middle/ working class of yesterday, let alone yester year, is often forgotten, ime.

@mysticloverfairy1

2 жыл бұрын

So basically second class citizens of the Titanic are treated like well second class citizens or the middle child of the family, everyone pretty much overlooks them

@noiamnotjohn3351

2 жыл бұрын

The whole "temporarily embarassed millionaire" thing is so overblown and honestly just an incorrect estimation of U.S culture. Also, the 2nd class weren't working class, they were middle class, which at the time was very different, today we use "middle class" to mean working class but back then no one did. These were more like small-business owners, professionals, professors, civil servants etc than wage-laborers. But I agree with you entirely that its forgotten because people only focus on the extremes. We want to hear about fabulously wealthy or the desperately poor, but very rarely, the middle income civil servant accountant who can afford some luxury, but still struggles economically here and there, and is just considered the middle of society. Not as "romantic" to modern cultural tastes it seems, for some reason.

@ErickC

2 жыл бұрын

​@@noiamnotjohn3351 : Maybe it depends on where you live, but I'm surrounded by people with the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mindset.

@The1337guy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@noiamnotjohn3351 Unless you're David Byrne of course. He's always been fascinated by the ordinary people in society.

@floramew

2 жыл бұрын

Only just now saw the replies to this, lol whoops. Lot of good points. A) hadn't considered that about 2nd class having a fairly different meaning a century ago, but it makes sense. And b) "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" is definitely an exaggeration, to be sure... but it sticks in the mind better than the more accurately nuanced version of modern us culture. And ofc, there's infinitely many subcultures in pretty much any population, so attitudes can def vary wildly. But my lived experience is that many people act as thought they have a real chance of winning the lottery.

the emotional roller coaster of hearing people's accounts of what sounds like hell on earth and then bouncing back to the food has me on another level rn

@daydream5120

Жыл бұрын

Right!? I got emotional whiplash!

I love all the voices you use when you read the different quotes. 😆 I also love your honesty and openness! Max, you are so special! Thanks for making a KZread channel. 😄

My father has this big antique steamer trunk mostly filled with his military stuff and some of mementos from his parents (grandpas police stuff and grandmas nurse shawl). He said he used it when he went to college and so I assumed he bought it back in the 60s… Turns out it was his grandmothers (fathers side); she packed it with all her belongings and it was her single piece of luggage she brought aboard the Carpathia on the voyage that rescued the Titanic survivors. Sadly the only thing of hers that we have is a newspaper she bought which described the disaster. It really is a massive piece of luggage with leather straps and caps on the corners. There’s also an old latch on the center that locks it but the key was lost decades ago. Thing must’ve weighed a ton, lol. Very sturdy.

@TTFerdinand

2 жыл бұрын

So the trunk belonged to your father's grandmother who travelled on the Carpathia, right? And her belongings were lost over time but the trunk is still there. Damn I wish my grandfather was still around, he never talked much about his youth and he he didn't show me any of his stuff but I'd want to know where he got the WWI Isle Of Man POW token and all the stuff AND tons of photographs (many on glass) I found after his death that he never told me about. It's not connected to Titanic, but I'd want to know more and there's no one left to tell. Don't you feel it sometimes, wanting to know more?

@sundaymourning5329

2 жыл бұрын

Just looking at something like that would get my imagination going...

@ryand.3858

2 жыл бұрын

@@TTFerdinand For sure. To be honest I don’t know all that much about the woman other than my father adored her and she was originally from Ukraine. He called her “baba” and apparently she was known for picking wild mushrooms and baking a lot. She actually has a slight connection to WW1 coincidentally, one of the males in her immediate family was in the Austro Hungarian cavalry prior to the war. Apparently he got the feeling things were heating up in Europe and cooked up an excuse about his mother being on her deathbed and they allowed him to leave for a few days. He instead took his wife and fled for America. Not a very heroic story, going awol, but I’m pretty certain he would’ve been killed when the war broke out.

@ryand.3858

2 жыл бұрын

@@sundaymourning5329 Actually I always thought it was really ugly growing up. I would wonder why my father was so attached to this hideous old trunk. It’s still not my favorite but I definitely can appreciate the sentimental value now. It’ll be mine someday so I guess it’s good that I don’t hate it anymore haha.

@scallopohare9431

Жыл бұрын

@@ryand.3858 Just curious, how is the lid formed? The first steamer trunks had flat tops, and were stacked too high. The ones on the bottom got crushed. Then they started rounding the tops, until it was almost a horseshoe shape in profile.

Regarding the lady complaining about the conditions on the Titanic: a friend of mine frequents a website that hosts random complaints of service workers about unreasonable customers, and one from the lead entertainment tech of a cruise ship who received 3 different reports from their team about guests asking them to turn the heat up on the island they were visiting. Yes, the island has climate control....right... The same report also mentions that the lead tech has been asked if they sleep on the ship or go home at night. Y'know, on this ship that is several days out from home port.. Right...

@TruthTroubadour-xi9cc

2 жыл бұрын

Can't fix stupid, right? Some people don't even try to use their brains?

@michaeladimick8795

2 жыл бұрын

@@TruthTroubadour-xi9cc they get brains? I just assumed that if you knocked on their head it would sound hollow…

@TruthTroubadour-xi9cc

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeladimick8795 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@media4011

2 жыл бұрын

Men full of hate for women. So obvious.

@Rockhound6165

2 жыл бұрын

I used to work at American Airlines(1999-2003) and during training we were told of the time when the airline had a fare special where fares were ridiculously cheap which opened up travel to, as the employees called it, "The Clampet's fly American". One story that I found hilarious was when this woman called to complain that the plane hadn't been by her house to pick her up yet. Oy.

You’re doing a really splendid job on this series! So glad you covered the - indeed often forgotten - second class as well

I just found your videos and I am so happy.. thank you for this sub genre. It’s 2 of my favorite things combined. I will be supporting you from here on out!

I made curried chicken and rice recipe that was served in Second Class on April 14th. It was delicious.

@melhawk8045

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that one somewhere... Looked like it would be great on a chilly night!

@qwertasdcfghjklmo24z

2 жыл бұрын

Where can I find the recipe?

@giovannirastrelli9821

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwertasdcfghjklmo24z It's available in the book Max mentioned earlier, "Last Dinner on the Titanic," but I'm sure you can find it online if you google it.

@melhawk8045

2 жыл бұрын

@@giovannirastrelli9821 I can't remember precisely... I was in a Google black hole...

@qwertasdcfghjklmo24z

2 жыл бұрын

@@giovannirastrelli9821 Thank you 😊

Wow, not only a Titanic dish, but also an Escoffier Dish!!!

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Wait until next week’s. Escoffier at his best.

@AlS-du1rt

2 жыл бұрын

@@TastingHistory Oh wow! 😀 First class! 😁

beyond grateful i stumbled onto this Titanic series you are doing. First of all thank you for doing a whole series on the Titanic, something i've been fascinated with since i was a child. And the quality of your videos, editing, art, the food you make is quite remarkable!

I just now discovered your channel and I’m so happy to watch all your videos from the beginning!!! The work and research you put in is so astounding.

Man it's so scary hearing about the times when disaster is happening but people don't have the full realization of it yet. You feel such a sense of dread for them even though there's nothing you can do.

@alexk7973

2 жыл бұрын

it‘s like a real life thriller or horror movie, where you sit in front of the TV and just want to yell at everyone to get moving already 😅

Imagine complaining about the conditions on a lifeboat. Shelley sounds like an insufferable person.

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously 😒

@saltefan5925

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe we should call people "Shelleys" rather than "Karens"?

@krokodilegrundee5101

2 жыл бұрын

There is definitely legitimate complaints to be had for lifeboats back then. "Hysterical Italian" was not one

@UmbraKrameri

2 жыл бұрын

'Shelley, I swear to God, if you say another word I will throw you overboard and save literally anyone else. ' I can totally imagine someone saying that. XD

@Amy_the_Lizard

2 жыл бұрын

@@UmbraKrameri It was probably the "hysterical" Italian

I visited Cobh ( former Queestown) and the White Star office where the last passengers boarded the ship. It was quite an experience and the museum there has some amazing stories of the Irish passengers.

I absolutely love your channel! Thanks for all the hard work and research that you do for us. Much appreciated!

Oh man. I was so absorbed in the report from the lifeboat and your excellent storytelling setup that when we went back to the food I was like "oh yeah, this is a food show!" 😅

Entertaining and informative as ever. Max has such an endearing and engaging personality and deserves his success. Happy Birthday for the 30th Max.

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

You remembered! Thank you : )

@AllegraAelfwynnnKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@TastingHistory Happy Birthday Max!!! I hope you had a wonderful, relaxing day and got spoilt💕 And thank you for the countless hours of entertainment, you are by far my favourite channel❤

@sarahgilliss3503

2 жыл бұрын

You and I share a birthday, Max! Hope you have a great one!

@sarahallegra6239

2 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday, Max!!! Have a wonderful day!! 🎉🎊🎂🎈🥳🎁💝🎊🎉

@Firegen1

2 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday today Max! 🎂🎈🎁🥳

I went to Belfast, Northern Ireland this past September and went to the Titanic museum. It was incredible. A really sad and tragic portion of the whole story of Titanic that is left out is all of the hard workers that spent 2 years building the ship just for it to sink on its first voyage. A lot of workers went deaf too from how loud the shipyard was. Apart from that, I also got to see where the ship was launched from and they have the last remaining and surviving White Star Line Ship there which is the Tender to Titanic, it took luggage and passengers to Titanic before it left port. The Tender to Titanic was moved around from being used in the World Wars to actually being a restaurant in Paris for several decades all the way up till the 1997 film. Then around 2004 it was finally returned to Belfast and its at the museum and you can go inside it.

I have never planned on cooking anything from the videos, but I love the way you incorporate a recipe into a story. It’s pretty unique. You have a wonderful storytelling voice in general- it’s comforting. Would def listen if you were to make a channel just telling stories. Keep it up, great job!

I've always said if I was loaded I would recreate the last first class dinner from the Titanic and have it served at the restaurant of the Swan hotel in Alnwick, Northumberland which was fitted out with an entire dining room from the Olympic when they retired it, which were identical to dining rooms on the titanic. It looks amazing, all the same panels, fittings, stairs. It's exactly how it would have looked on the ship

@lolasmom5816

2 жыл бұрын

There were some slight differences in titanics dining room. The wall with the double doors was the main difference. The windows in it were different

I can't wait for the one on the crew: they suffered the greatest losses and had such acts of bravery, and yet tend to get so overlooked. Great video!

Huge thanks for this series! This is my first video of yours I watched and I really appreciate how much effort you had to put into this.

You’re a wonderful story teller - thanks for sharing!!

I remember having a dish at a restaurant with a Demi-glace and being curious about how to make it at home. After seeing a recipe for it, I decided that I will not be making Demi-glace at home.

@carlycrays2831

2 жыл бұрын

God gave us pre-made ingredients for a reason!

@cathpalug1221

2 жыл бұрын

You are wiser than me. I tried and failed successfully at making demi-glace. The clean up is a disaster

@cathpalug1221

2 жыл бұрын

@rambunctiousvegetabledid I stutter?

@cathpalug1221

2 жыл бұрын

@rambunctiousvegetable it's actually an idom. It means that a task that was not completed successfully, but the failure was not due to the person’s lack of effort.

@cathpalug1221

2 жыл бұрын

@rambunctiousvegetable your welcome! I think "The effort is there." Also works as synonym for that idom.

The second class = the forgotten middle child of history

@MelancholyMoondancer

2 жыл бұрын

They are the equivalent of GenX, says a GenXer.

Love it! Binging now. So glad I found you. Great combo of food and true history! Thank you!

Just discovered your channel & am grateful. You are a wonderful storyteller & chef. Thank you for these addictive stories! I will listen in my studio while painting.

The Titanic is really a story of engineers making sound judgements (enough life rafts, bulkheads to a higher standard than regulation required etc.) but those same engineers being overruled by the company chairman or an arrogant captain wanting to set a record

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to do a video on basically this exact thing.

@JWRogersPS

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Smith was emphatically NOT trying to set a record. That's a myth. Titanic wasn't built for record speeds, and White Star was known for comfort over speed. They were happy to let other lines spend a fortune in coal vying for a record.

@ArchmageIlmryn

2 жыл бұрын

Part of the issue was also just the expectation that another ship would always be nearby. Much of the complacency about lifeboats was because the expected course of action in the case of a sinking was that everyone would stay on the ship until another ship arrived, then the lifeboats would be used to ferry passengers across - a scenario in which you don't need enough lifeboats for everyone because you won't need everyone in the boats at the same time. Titanic both sunk faster than expected and was unable to get the attention of nearby ships in time.

@zephyr8072

2 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that there was an organised campaign of character assassination after the sinking against J. Bruce Ismay and others like Captain Smith, but mainly to destroy Ismay. Some bad decisions were made yes but the idea that Smith was trying to set a record or that Ismay was pressuring him is a flat out lie. Ismay had zero authority over ship operations and there was no way the Titanic was setting any speed records at all, it was never designed for that.

@1stCallipostle

2 жыл бұрын

The Titanic is sounding like a "What Happened?" Episode when you put it like that I guess the corpos will always find a way to make everything go wrong

The one where Mr Beesley mentioned where after the Titanic sank and all you hear are people crying for help on a very silent night literally broke my heart. I cried while reading his accounts on that fateful day.

@user-is7xs1mr9y

2 жыл бұрын

I once read a survivor having a panic attack at a baseball game because the noise the crowd made was too similar to the panicked cries for help of the Titanic passengers. I can't even imagine what that must be like.

@ShadowclawFC

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-is7xs1mr9y I can imagine many probably felt that way. The one I've heard of (probably the same one as you) is third-class passenger Frank Goldsmith, who was 9 years old at the time...

Love your show. Great production and really like your delivery.

Found your channel through this series and its so fascinating! love the meal history!!

Looks like demi glace is available at Waitrose, for those of us in the UK. Feels very much like a Waitrose thing.

@pacman1386

2 жыл бұрын

Waitrose could have supplied the titanic as it was founded in 1904, but it might not have been big enough by the time of her sailing.

@MaximilianvonPinneberg

2 жыл бұрын

@@pacman1386 It could well have been Fortnum & Mason as they supplied many of the cruise liners and also expeditions such as Scott's to the Antarctic.

@pacman1386

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaximilianvonPinneberg oh definitely! I just used to work for waitrose so knew their history plus all the upper class goods that are still sold by them would make it easy to replicate the recipes today.

@MrPh30

2 жыл бұрын

@@pacman1386 It is so many of the producers from Victorian/Edvardian era and brands its more or øess a continuation of them if one think a bit on it.

@mikerichards6065

2 жыл бұрын

I trust it is 'Essential' brand demi glace.

10:15 Just to note something, that the lifeboats weren't supposed to evacuate everyone off the ship all at once, since the idea was that they would be used to ferry people either to shore if the ship was operating along a coastline, or to another ship that was rescuing them, so each boat would have taken a load of people across, then come back for another load

@Shenaldrac

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, exactly. That's why the legal requirement of lifeboats was so low. The ship's designer wasn't being callous or devious when he designed the ship with (to our sensibilities) few lifeboats. And in fact, there _was_ another ship nearby that could have helped the Titanic and drastically reduced the loss of life, the SS Californian. For whatever reason, her captain ordered her not to move in and aid the sinking ship. That deserves far more attention, imo, than the fact that the ship's designer made a decision based on aesthetics of a ship for which aesthetic appeal was a huge factor.

@MWSin1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shenaldrac That, and the fact that Titanic was four times the size of any liner in existence when the regulations had last been updated. Titanic carried the 16 lifeboats it was required to (including two rigged up as emergency cutters, intended mostly for incidents like a man overboard), plus the four collapsible boats. However, Titanic's design allowed for carrying as many as 64 boats. The promoters cut that down, because the boats were considered unsightly and interfered with the views from first class cabins.

@Shenaldrac

2 жыл бұрын

@@MWSin1 I'm aware. I _did_ watch the video :V

@hannahcorinne5388

Жыл бұрын

Actually it was known LONG before Titanic set sail that lifeboat regulations on ships were seriously inadequate. Nobody did anything about it until after the fact because previous tragedies didn’t involve so many rich people and redesigning the ships would have cost more money. But they knew full well it was a disaster waiting to happen and no, they did not expect the lifeboats to shuttle people back and forth on ships that were crossing the Atlantic.

@jcohasset23

Жыл бұрын

@@MWSin1 Even if Titanic had carried more lifeboats it's unlikely many more people would have been saved since the crew was still in the process of launching the final collapsible boats when water reached the Boat Deck. Titanic's crew had 2 teams that could lower 4 lifeboats in 15-20 minutes due to the Welin-type davits that had to be manually operated and they were overseen by the first and second officers (Murdoch and Lightoller). As part of when James Cameron was filling Titanic (1997) they made replicas of the davits and had a team practice using it while timed that showed the crew of the Titanic was probably working as fast as they could that night. It would only be in the change in American and British maritime law after the government inquiries into the sinking that most/all of the crew became trained, and that coupled with the change to electric davits is a lot of why Britannic was able to launch 35 lifeboats in 45 minutes before it sank 4 years later.

It's really amazing how you combine the cooking and interesting and dramatic story's from the Titanic ❤

Love you. Love your presentations and stories.

What's scary to me is thinking how easy it would have been to be one of the people who didn't get on a boat. It's super late at night and freezing, the ships seems totally fine and is unsinkable anyway, you probably don't even know there's not enough life boats or other ship nearby - why would you get in a tiny rowboat and sail out into the icy-cold, pitch-black ocean?

@fedra76it

2 жыл бұрын

The huge misconception was the "unsinkable" thing. It created overconfidence. There's no such thing as an unsinkable ship, an "uncrashable" plane, etc. As boastful and pervasive as marketing strategies can get, we should never ignore the laws of Physics can't be fooled. It's better to never underestimate the risks. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

@mindstalk

2 жыл бұрын

Modern example, in large apartment buildings: is this fire alarm yet another false alarm or smoking toaster, or the rare actual fire that means one should leave fast?

Hi Max! Just wanna say as an African-American, it was incredibly heartwarming to see the inclusion of Joseph Laroche. Being the only passenger of African descent other than his two daughters showed that despite discrimination and racism you can pave your own path as he was a successful Hatian engineer and an incredible husband,father, and life saver to his two children and pregnant wife at the time of the sinking of the titanic, Juliette Lafargue.

@blackleague212

2 жыл бұрын

Yea bro I was also very happy to see this photo and the black chefs too at the beginning, that's so awesome. They didn't show us anything like this in school 20 years ago !

@holleelifestyles2844

2 жыл бұрын

This was very heart warming 😍 had to pause the video just to make sure my eyes did not deceive me! How beautiful to know affluence was achievable during such a time 🙏🏽

@housemana

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelatentsexualfreak what are you "Oh Lord"ing? It was a nice comment, and Max did showed a nice gesture.

@panterxbeats

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelatentsexualfreak what's your problem?

@Wildflower687

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, I’m not crazy then! I genuinely wasn’t sure if I was seeing thing as I’d always understood that the titanic did not allow black passengers. What an amazing photo!

So happy I found your channel! Love your videos! ❤

I don't know why, but it is so relaxing to watch all these old recipes while I'm sipping tea.

Max: In your history discussion, it might have also included that the sinking of the Titanic was literally a game changer. Before she sank, there was “no need” for stringent maritime life at sea safety laws. The Titanic was, after all, “unsinkable”. The sinking of the RMS Titanic and the notoriety of those lost changed that mindset. The 1914 International Conference on Safety of Life at Sea, was held in direct response to the loss of the Titanic. This was the first SOLAS convention ever. If the Titanic had not sunk, how long would shipping companies and ship designers continued to view ships as unsinkable and lifesaving equipment determined by tonnage and not the number of lives on board? Thant's why, even today, before passanger ships get under way there's a lifeboat muster and safety drill before a ship moves away froom the dock. The amended regulation SOLAS regulation III/19 requires that on passenger ships, passengers undergo safety drills, including mustering at the lifeboat stations, before the ship departs or immediately on departure. Respectfully, W.S.

@FrikInCasualMode

2 жыл бұрын

Probably it would last until first liner was sank by submarine. It could be RMS "Lusitania", which lost over a thousand lives when she was sunk.

@wmschooley1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrikInCasualMode True. The loss of 128 Americans in the Lusitania U-boat attack outraged many in the United States and ultimately lead, in part, to America’s declaration of war in 1917.

@mindstalk

2 жыл бұрын

As others have said, safety regulations are written in blood.

@dawne6419

2 жыл бұрын

I'm just imagining the trial & error that went into figuring out proper safety once they were forced to consider it. I have family ties to the Eastland Disaster in Chicago, 1915. Still the biggest maritime incident on US waters, with over 800 lost. There were a number of issues, but one of the factors on a ship already unbalanced was an *overabundance* of lifeboats, which was a direct result of the Titanic not having enough. (And ultimately--ironically?--the lifeboats did nothing, as the ship turned on its side while still at dock.)

@jimfarrar4925

2 жыл бұрын

@@wmschooley1234 yep little known fact..its how we got into WW1

In 20 years Max will open a "Tasting History" Restaurant. Not standing in the kitchen but entertaining the guests with food related stories during their dinner. 🤗

@donnavorce8856

2 жыл бұрын

One might only hope he doesn't wait that long!

@wyntersynergyundignified

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, please!!

@OCDTraci

2 жыл бұрын

OMG, I was just thinking he should do something like that

Found your channel by accident but I can’t stop binging your videos. Top notch production quality, engaging historical topics, and somehow you make me feel like I’m sitting in the kitchen with you through the whole video. Don’t change a thing and I can’t wait for the next video!

Thank you for this whole Titanic series, and for all that you do. 💜

I was obsessed with Titanic as a kid, and back then I found a lot of people's reactions during the sinking to be really shocking (both in good and bad ways depending on). But the older I get and the more experience I have with people, the more people reactions and recollections of the experience... are completely unsurprising to me. Both from the more heroic stories to the just... completely heartbreaking or the eyerolling. People have just always been people, you know? For both better and worse. I really wish there was more information about second class and the crew! Looking forward to when you cover the latter and what the crew might have eaten. And man that chicken lyonnaise sounds amazing. I'd really like to make that dish for me and my roommate sometime. And except for the demiglace (and a sieve) all the ingredients and tools are stuff we have on hand and use A LOT. I am kind of curious what would go into making demiglace from scratch tbh, but I'll probably just buy the premade stuff when I do make the dish.

@SombreroPharoah

2 жыл бұрын

The same phenomenon of 'people have been people' is why ancient Graffiti is one of my favourite things. The scribbles of people's daily lives and thoughts are so similar to today.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

2 жыл бұрын

@@SombreroPharoah The most fascinating historical documents aren't political treatises or groundbreaking scientific publications. They're local newspapers, diaries, personal correspondence, business records, and complaint letters about inferior copper.

@ValeriePallaoro

2 жыл бұрын

@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Trawling through what is considered 'news' in hundred and two hundered year old news papers, online, is hilarious and insightful. There are pages of 'for sale' one liners that just make you ask, 'what happened in this persons life that they had to sell their 5 ft of kitchen linoleum' in the paper this day?

@gohunt001-5

2 жыл бұрын

I believe making demiglace requires assorted animal parts, a pot, some water, and a whole lotta time, as well as a hazmat suit to protect against the odor created during the process.

@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131

2 жыл бұрын

Look up "ENCYCLOPEDIA TITANICA" on KZread ! It tells ALL there is to know about the RMS Titanic. Other exellent reading is Laurence Beasley's book "I survived the Titanic", and Walter Lord's "A night to remember". Plus of course the books of two crew members ; Violet Jessop and Second Officer Lightoller.

It cannot be overstated how smart and important this KZread channel is. I don't think it is overblown to say you are doing something Max that is deeply important for human beings as a whole. Cataloging and characterizing the history and foods of peoples, times, and events as you do seem essential to me, and it wasn't being done in the way you do it. Thank you! You are a treasure!

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Super kind of you, thank you!

In sincerely appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Thank you for sharing the history of the beloved Titanic and the recipes.

What an amazing video, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us!

1st class finery, That resides in crockery, Based on Escoffier. Brought down to coach. The combination of nights, Shared delights in sauce. Before the tremor of cold. Before the diners have heard. The forgotten class in between The boat bows Another excellent bit of storytelling Thank you Boss for another great video FG

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

You have a real talent! And so quick!

@Firegen1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TastingHistory Thanks Max. It's a joy to do the thing I love most, for the channel, I love most.

One should remember that, back then, life boats were seen rather differently than they are today. Today, they are the safe refuge, but back then they were seen as a way to reach the safe refuge of another (aka "not sinking") ship.

This series you did here was great. I love hearing all the stories, and you are such a good storyteller. Thanks for all the work that went into this."

I am sneaking and watching this at work. Between the stories you are relating Max and the comments below I am crying. Thank you for your channel.

Kudos to Max for avoiding the phrase "to die for" during the end of this recipe

These videos are so well done, nice work man.

Again, wonderful informative video.

I’m out of town right now, and turns out I left your KZread discography playing on the TV, which I typically only watch by myself. My boyfriend got a shock when he got an earful of historical food gossip at full volume when he turned the TV back on. 😅

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@samnuell864

2 жыл бұрын

...well did he watch it?

"they spared no expense" everyone knows that the Titanic was struck by an ichthyosaur and passengers had to escape floodwaters and velociraptors.

@TastingHistory

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@vermithraxplays1615

2 жыл бұрын

that potential pitch deserves a movie by the asylum

@tarmaque

2 жыл бұрын

@@vermithraxplays1615 Sounds more like a Rob Zombie movie to me.

@Nightriser271828

2 жыл бұрын

Man, at this point, "spared no expense" should be an automatic red flag that disaster is coming.

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

2 жыл бұрын

"Spared no expense" except on lifeboats and safety equipment...

I absolutely love this series!!! The history is so interesting and your way of telling it is so entertaining! You have a new follower!!

I appreciate your level of respect and melodrama. It's so balanced.