Misleading. Same tread different quality/compound. Do some research before you make people think they are the same.

@jsmoker10

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking.

@masonkeller3584

Жыл бұрын

True!

@user-qb2gl1fw9h

11 ай бұрын

That is best comment on here

@anthonyluisi7096

11 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@Quesadila21

8 ай бұрын

You’re absolutely right, but if you’re not racing or driving like an a-hole, it doesn’t really matter all that much. Your suspension and tire wear and depth (which dictates the tire patch and control) make more of a difference than having the absolute-best tires. They all have similar quality-control, and tire technology today is so good, that it’s hard to get a ‘bad’ tire. Michelin owns BFGoodrich and a bunch of other smaller subsidiaries. Goodyear owns Cooper, which also owns a bunch of other subsidiaries including Mickey Thompson. Sumitomo owns Falken, Dunlop and couple others. Bridgestone owns Firestone. Continental owns General. Toyo owns Nitto. There’s a lot more, but those are the biggest ones. You really think Tier 1 tire brands wouldn’t at least make sure their subsidiary tires are good-quality - even if not the newest and best technology? As long as you have the right tires for the occasion (I come from a snowy state, so an example of that would be any snow tires, which are usually better than even the best all-season in snow), then you’ll be fine with most tires.

Need to slice tires to see if construction is the same, also the type of rubber compounds

@geniesatura7770

5 жыл бұрын

Very true

@1godgodgodgodgod

3 жыл бұрын

People have done this with Atturo which is owned by federal. . They were lower rated yes but match there lower rated tires 100%. And at this point atturo has become the top end tire for federal because of its popularity.

A tire is WAY more then the tread pattern. The premium brands typically have better rubber compounds and a much higher quality carcass. Where you have to watch out is when you find an off brand tire with the same tread pattern as a premium brand tire. It maybe tempting to buy the cheaper tire but it is the things you can't visually see that are the most important.

@darthtyranus7683

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take a tire scientist though nowadays the factories have to make do especially with logistics they're not gonna go crazy with different plys etc just like Ironman ATs you still get a 10 ply tire for a similar performance as the other ATs made in their same factories

@slotigy

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Mastercraft is trash tire will pop if you look at it the wrong way. Tread lasts like 10k miles.

@CabinCruiser

Жыл бұрын

@@slotigy Really? I've been using and selling Mastercrafts for over 12 years and I've never popped one, they all last as long as expected with normal rotations, and I have yet to warranty a single one or Cooper for that matter. I've sold over 80,000 and the only issue I've ever had were receiving the wrong size a few times. No biggie! The only ones we've replaced were ones where customers should have bought 10 PR when they bought XL or 4 PR. Sidewalls are much stronger with higher PR.

@donquixote...

Жыл бұрын

@W Hutch Absolutely right. I didn't know about those differences in tires when I bought a used pickup and the dealer had put on tires with a lower load range/fewer plys (8). I ended up buying new tires with 12 plys. Spent more money, but I feel much better now.

@Slim1423

Жыл бұрын

@W Hutch True. Mastercrafts are good tires, and are part of the Cooper tire brand. I have used Mastercraft tires and they are good. I have even used a spare low tread used Mastercraft tire to replace a Nexen Roadian tire that had more tread but leak issues.

Been running Cooper/Mickey Thompson for 16 years. Worst mistake was trying an exclusive tire store Cooper MTP.Thin sidewall, easily punctured by a littld ice. Rotated every 3K and they didnt last as long as any previous tires. My Jeep had new steering and suspension parts, alignment every year.I had a 2008 BFG KM2 set and they lasted a good amount of time, fast forward to 2014. The same tire, same vehicle, but they cost more....wore out in 6 months.The USA made tires almost always have better rubber compound and last longer. They cost a little more, but they're usually safer tires.

Solid information. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I had no idea.

This is exactly what i have found over the years and why i no longer buy the high brand name tires and instead opt for a tire brand which most ppl never heard of and pay half the price less most of the time.. Get the same performance and wear out of the tires.. Really is no difference..About to try a set of zeta tires on a new set of rims.. Quality of the tire looks good and the price i found is even better. Good bye bridgestones bfg michelin etc....

Are (Black Hawk Hisend-H HT01 All Seasons tires) any good? Will they last for 60,000 miles as their warranty says? Are they good for snow and rain? Just wondering....

I've had 3 sets of Motomaster AT 3's. Love em.... tough and long lasting.

They may be the same molds but are definitely different silica and polyester compounds. I sell Mastercraft and Cooper and even the common man can varify this through sidewall decoding.

This guy repeats himself over and over. Hard to keep up.

Tires also have different compounds like silica ect. Just like tools there made in only a few places but some have different quality standards then others.

Your doing us a good service, Thank youl

No mention on whether any of these "clone" tires have the same load, treadwear, temperature/traction or speed ratings as their name brand comparisons. I call total B.S on this guy's video!!!

@1godgodgodgodgod

3 жыл бұрын

He is correct. It’s not just the tire industry that does this. And it’s been going on for 60 yrs. they literally run the molds in the same plant and hit both markets ie low income mid income . Why would they do twice the work and melt twice the rubber and burn twice the money to cheat you? And to cheat themselves.. let’s make a fake offshoot and screw our sales... as for the ratings. Yes they typically only use there lower rated tires with this shit but even there there is a 40% price difference.

@mikecude4167

2 жыл бұрын

You missed where he said; same tire with different names

@acreageliving

Жыл бұрын

cooper snowclaw and hercules avalanche TT, identical tire and ratings, both made by cooper

I got dextro All-terrain tires and saved a shit ton of money basically half of the cost and they’ve been really good to me

Eye opener 235/45R18 all season prices looking at buying 4 new tires with in January 2024 would like your help

Same moods but are they the same compound?

A softer compound isn't of lesser quality as winter tires have soft compound, where as all seasons are harder, you can't guarantee quality of rubber and steel belts because of quality control especially from China and at the cost of mass production, I would say almost all company's with the same mold will be very close and hardly any difference in specifications and quality.

so is that triangle tire any good?

I don't think this has ever been a secret. Perhaps to non-car enthusiasts. The difference is not in the mould. It is in the compound. They may look the same, but the rubber and structure differ a lot.

You can get oreo's or great value choclate creme sandwiches same cookie same factory different stamp and name! Everybody does it!

Oh, hey there...Yeah!!! you're on point. If they don't make their money on the high-end brand name which they will, richer buyers pay, then they will get you as a budgeted consumer under a second brand, like you said if you didn't think that was sneaky, they will have a brother brand, and a cousin maybe that just came out but is the same company. I have been looking at tires for the last 5 years, and the amount to learn more than just rubber is insane lol. Putting that aside I have a question lol. I was looking at Cooper's discover AT4 4S alterain tires for four-plus years now. I am comparing them with motor Master Xtrails which Cooper designed just for motor master. Pricewise 70 mail-in rebates for the Cooper At3 4s, comes to a difference of seven dollars to the final price of the Xtrail Eliminators lol. I have an on hold. Now to throw another wrench your way, take a look for me at Cooper's rugged trek and a newer one called the...? In evolution you can see a huge resemblance...but the coopers off the bat look the same, but between the Evolution? and the trek, the trek looks more like the xtrail straight up. The cooper both the ones looking like the XTrail, not he at3 4s, the tread has a diagonal angle that just seems better than the extrails, but that is what maybe sets them apart, cooper gave a lot to Canadian Tire, did they save a little for their brand? probably not a lot of hot air here lol. But really Check the Xtail eliminators for me, and the AT3 4S cooper discovers, and tell the one you would go with because it is a win-win I think. One thing though I went to look at both in the showroom at Canadian tire they both looked good, I noticed that pressing on them both the Extrail without a rim in it was firmer and sturdier. I know flex and bend are important for contact, but these are in the same category with the same ply's, and I don't mind the noise or rougher ride. Anyways I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada, and we have the weather that makes you want to leave lol Haha Cold snow winter wise we have good summers, to short though. I have A/T's on my 2009 Santa Fe since I got it the second owner was in the family. I decided to go with a dedicated snow tire last year and was amazed at the stopping traction on ice. AWD Lock gets you going with any tire lol...but parking in the driveway going over rough terrain, the passenger dedicated snow tires weren't solid, they were mushy, I know that is for grip, but I have my other A/Ts on now and they don'[t even has the snowflake on the side, and I already like driving better with them. So, I said I would get a A/T Snow peak rated tire. These are the two for budget and research Which one would you pick...there is one more thing. Reading Xtrail reviews there was one guy that said he and his wife used to only put on At3 4s coopers, but they tried these, and he said if they weren't better, they were at least the same. Only one guy but it stuck. sorry for all the hot air but would appreciate your opinion if you made it this far, and thanks for the video. Cheers for now.

I bought in to this advice, bought a set of knock offs and would not balance out , non of the 4 would, I even tried beads still lots of vibration so much vibration caused me to have an accident on a wet road going over a bridge, totaled my truck yep get what you pay for .

Is ARROyO tires a good brand I have a 2017 Ford edge titanium 245 5020s They are priced at $127 a tire

Different compound of rubber is usually used for the cheaper tire that don't last as long

Show me a Cooper and a Mastercraft tire the have the same tread design. Just drop the links in the reply. Also the same rubber compound. I’ve seen alot if the Chinese brands use open molds, but not Tier 1 and 2 brands.

Name doesn't matter to me anymore but is there a certified stamp on tires for safety pass like motor oil has ase certified

It's all in the compound. Any small-time chinese rubber factory can copy a tread design, that's the easy part. Now getting the compound right and designing the tire so it doesn't explode, that's the difficult part that you buy premium tires for.

@Slim1423

Жыл бұрын

True. I remember years ago a famous tire company tried to save money by leaving out a $1 component of their tire, and many people died from it in car wrecks. All rubber isn't the same rubber, when it comes to tires.

@powers1776reset

4 ай бұрын

@@Slim1423this sounds and wreaks of propaganda

@Slim1423

4 ай бұрын

@powers1776reset Not propaganda. Depends on brand, tire wear rating, rain/snow rating, if the tire you buy is good but more so safe for you. I use to think any brand of tire will do, but there is a difference. I learned that the hard way. Sometimes, if not familiar with a brand of tire, study up on tire reviews before you decide to buy. Any tire you buy though, your life is riding on that tire.

Is the material different?

Just bought cooper discoverer m+s tires online and found them for less than the mastercraft or telstar equivilents. So it depends on when and where you buy, tire size, etc. In general the mastercrafts run less than the cooper's but not by that much lately. I have not run the mastercraft or other brands so can't say whether they are the same or not.

Thats with alot if different companies too! Like water, glasses! Etc

It's easy to copy a tread pattern but its extremely hard to copy the technology that generally name brand tires have. For example, replica wheel looks the same as the authentic wheels but the quality is a night a day difference. Here's the thing though, if you don't drive your car extremely hard you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference but with generic tires you're taking your chances with the safety issue.

I just ordered lexani terrain beasts for 352 and I was looking at the lionhart lionclaws same tire but for 200 bucks more

Hey mark, look at canadian tire certified winter trek tire, its looks like Nokian hakkapeliitta tires. Im wondering if they are good tires

Thank you so much for helping to educate us on the tire game, I know I really appreciate this valuable information

@HILLYARDSRIMLIONS

6 жыл бұрын

Don ellis thank u! For watching

@stang1970

Жыл бұрын

This was just as misleading as the point he was trying to make. There are differences in the tire. Even if it the same mold being used

Hi from Ireland very interesting, I've noticed same thread patterns on low price tires that are twice or more on premium label tires online over here for my 4x4 ,,,BA Goodridge @€250 Vs Event ML @€99 exactly the same thread patterns 🤔👍

Same tread pattern BUT is it the same TREAD COMPOUND ?

If you had different brands with the same tread, in hand to show us... it would have been vastly more impactful.

The same type stamps could be used but the better known brand probably has a better compound to their tire.

But is the seme cuality?? So is like if you going to Payless shoe

I fully agree, I just bought Ohtsu FP8000 tires for my 17GT mustang and they are awesome, turns out they are exactly the same tire as Falken FK452. No doubt other tires are being re branded the same way. People in the comments section talking about how there's different compounds etc are just falling victim to the highly paid for marketing the brand name tires have out there lol.

@YungSteambuns

2 жыл бұрын

A drifter who burns through tires unlike you who uses one set every 5yrs already proved you wrong, different brands with same treads last differently

@bigdogfromnj

Жыл бұрын

@@YungSteambuns what set of winter tires do you recommend

@YungSteambuns

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdogfromnj car or truck tire?

There will be difference in rubber quality and quality control in general. All tires probably will work ok up to 50k kilometers but cheap knock off will baerly make it it to 70k kilometers. Now, you pay $150 or $200 and have around 20-30k kilometer difference, plus how much balancing cheap tires need vs the proper ones. You buy cheap tires if you don't have long term plans with your vehicles.

Imagine saying Sailuns are great tires and thinking you get to have an opinion

this guy is supposed to be a tire expert? just because the tread pattern is the same doesn't mean it's the exact same tire

@potatopotato8360

Жыл бұрын

He's a used/cheap tire salesman... It's like expecting a used car salesman to be a car expert lol.

Great video , Cooper makes tires for Canadian Tire which brand is MotoMaster up here in Canada . Who makes Hercules Tires ?

@HILLYARDSRIMLIONS

6 жыл бұрын

hercules also used to be made in cooper factories, but now Hercules got bought out by American tire dist. so they now source some of there tires to some Chinese factories that make, sailun, ironman, etc.....

@phillyfan46

5 жыл бұрын

Cooper

@evanthomas1629

4 жыл бұрын

@@HILLYARDSRIMLIONS Cooper still makes hercules tires for Canada.

All i heard is "beware tire companies are sneaky" yes i understand you get the same tread pattern for cheap on a lesser brand, however i didn't not hear where the problem is i might of missed it. But i didn't think he mention what is really wrong with that he didn't say they are defective tires right?

Yes but do they use the same compounds? Silicon ratios?

@Icutmetal

4 жыл бұрын

Silica, not silicone. Big difference.

Perhaps they are the same pattern, but are they the same composite? That is more important.

Wow thanks

Tires prices need be capped which is why. It's always tagged higher, never lower. Also a global highway and traffic safety effort for vehicle crash prevention by allowing manufacturers share trademarked patterns. No, I can't afford $170 - $360 per tire. Can you? It's beyond reasonable expense per Capita by number of registered vehicles on the road. Just like dealership part prices. No one buys em. Is $1,450 reasonable for a ten year old 2013 Audi Q5 2.0T headlight assembly? Dealers charge mostly for climate controlled warehousing costs. Aftermarket companies have no need to store parts 10 - 50+ years. Tire companies manufacture per market demand. They charge mostly for quantities in manufacturing queue. Worthless to make too much. Bad for average spud like me.

the bigger concern is not tread patterns... the most complicated process is belt construction! Most cheap companies have vibration issues because they cant construct a perfectly , balanced , seamless, tire. those cheap brands are the ones you have to worry about belts blowing out and smacking your fenders. tread pattern isnt a issue.

Thats exactly what I was thinking with all the look a likes.

That isn't sneaky they usually make the tires with different names for different markets. That is the case for Triangle and Diamondback. Falken isn't a Cooper tire it is an SRI tire. And the same tread pattern doesn't mean the same tire. Different chemicals in the rubber means cheaper manufacturing and lower performance but because people think "It looks the same it must be the same." The cheap guys get to ripping you off. That's not to say there are some tires out there that are just different sidewall slugs but when you get a big name tire and you see another that looks like it it wont at all share the same performance. Which Atturo do you think is the Falken STZ05 ?

@geniesatura7770

5 жыл бұрын

Amar is an idiot

@1godgodgodgodgod

3 жыл бұрын

You are incorrect. Falken also is tied to Dunlop who is tied to sumitomo rubber who is also tied to cooper who also is connected to Continental who also acquired general tire who is till this day still tied to Michelin who also makes Ryken. I could go on a long time with this. The only one who is t tied to this mess is goodyear. Google it man. Don’t waste money. I think the most important about a tire these days is the ratings and not the names.

Anyone ever use the atlas paraller A/T?

so what are you saying don't buy the cheap one or buy the cheap ones it doesn't matter they are the same

Canadian Tire motomaster Total Terrain AT3 = Cooper ATP... identical tire, except for the branding...

it's what's inside that counts

@1godgodgodgodgod

3 жыл бұрын

Air?

My life depends on my tires and I’ll spend money and get the best. Also, I get new tires every 40k miles and sell the old ones on CL.

Are Firestone tyres as good as Bridgestone tyres ?!

There are some tire brands I wouldn't buy but the one I will always consider is General Tire , BFG , Yokohama , Falken , Dunlop , Michelin but at the end of the day I like to get a good value for my $ and so I will get the General Tire wheel

Although the tread pattern may look the same that doesn’t mean the rubber compound is the same. This is a false video. When it comes to tires, you buy cheap you get cheap. I’ve been dealing with tires for years now and the “stamp” of the tread does NOT mean it’s the same exact tire. Your performance and speed rating will change. This is not an opinion. It’s facts.

Where can a get a usa made tire at a lower price? Thank you for your videos

@lonniebeal6032

2 жыл бұрын

Douglas at Walmart are made by Goodyear. Only thing I don't like is the side walls are thin, but so are Hankook and a few others. I am on my 3rd set of Douglas all seasons

same tread pattern, but could they have different compounds, yes they can

New viewer to the channel; since you have so much experience with tires, I'm after a 235/55 R19 101V M+S for a Lexus Rx450h SUV. I prioritise quiet (cause I do long motorway stretches) , performance in the wet (cause flash flooding happens) and I'd like a bit of off roading (nothing extreme, green lanes, forest back country roads but there is loose gravel). The tires/car rarely see snow. I had various tyres over the years Mich (expensive and wear out quickly/not that great off road), Hankook (very good on the dry , not so good in displacing water, nothing to write home about off road), Dunlop (noisy n bouncy), so I'm still after a tire that improves on the above. The bottleneck is the dimensions which are a bit awkward as well as the kind of roads I tackle/needs. Any advice welcome. Tnnx in advance and carry on the good work.

@patrickwolf4505

2 жыл бұрын

You typed a lot, still waiting for a response?? Lmao

@YungSteambuns

2 жыл бұрын

Give this man an answer!

@dimitristsagdis7340

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickwolf4505 Yeah if you have one always good to hear. I explored the market a lot since then and there are some additional complications cause I ‘m based in the EU and not all tires available in the US are available here and you can’t import the independently cause they do not have EI certification and if you are involved in an accident even if you didn’t cause it you’ll be liable) plus they need to have high speed rating for the same reason as well as for not failing the compulsory bi-annual car inspection that is needed to be able to keep a car on the road.

@allhope_lost6448

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimitristsagdis7340 People run aggressive AT tires in the USA frequently well above 130kmh on the highways, on all sorts of huge trucks so I don't see why they wouldn't be high speed rated in your country. Its something you could see here thousands of times a day, each and everyday if you were to just sit by the interstate.

@dimitristsagdis7340

2 жыл бұрын

@@allhope_lost6448 My car manufacturer specifies that the car tires must have a V speed rating which is- Up to 149 mph = 238,4 km/h. I never reach these speeds but if there is an accident and the insurance finds that the tire speed rating was below what the OEM specified you are done. In addition in France like most European countries there are compulsory annual or bi-annual car inspections and the inspectors look at the tires for wear and characteristics and if below the manufacturer ones the car is not road legal until the issue gets rectified and the car re-inspected.

Treads are nothing compares to how the rubber is and how the tire is built, Even retread tires use the same stamping sometimes. I think you saying your tires has been blowing all day from your customers is all I need to know how well you actually know about tires.

they may use the same mold pattern BUT the Rubber and Extra additive to make the tire last longer and ride better are NOT THE SAME I had a set of mastercraft and only got 25k replaced with COOPER Tire with same Tread pattern got 58K & a much nicer RIDE & the WET tracking was a 100% better then the Cheap mastercarfts !! !!

@clarda1

5 жыл бұрын

This guy seems like a troll. His videos have no valid points

@powers1776reset

4 ай бұрын

Was the load rating and ply the same?

@powers1776reset

4 ай бұрын

What additive? Can you verify that at all?

A tire also has a soul. Don't insult any random Falken tire.

🤯 they are double dipping

Load and speed ratings have to be considered as well.

This is FALSE.... you get what you pay for with tires, generic brand names will not last as long, are noisy and have multiple issues.... now I will agree if your comparing such names as blacklion to lionheart or westlake brand names to name a few...

I love continental brand

I love ryken tires. The raptors are sick.

So this seems like a obvious conclusion...but is there someone who can offer some supporting evidence to suggest the tire is that much poor quality than the parent companies main offerings. People will pay more for a name and companies know this. There are many cases where the product is exactly the same and they offer a less comprehensive warrantee or a very close replica that differs in ways that offer no effect on function. All I know is that I have a set of Motomaster Total Terrains that I have outlasted any name brand tire I have owned. There is no way in he'll that it's a poor rubber compound.

Interesting just by looking at the tread design on two different brand name tires that are manufactured by the same company, a tire changer can tell you how the tires are made and with what type of Steel, chemical, Synthetic Rubber, Textiles like rayon, nylon, polyester, and aramid fiber. Cooper tire like other manufacture produce many off brand tire that the market demands especially the super stores that by low and sell high driven by volume. Tire manufacturers have millions of dollars invested in high tech automation machinery that must produce 24/7 to make a profit and keep ahead of the competition. If you go back 30 to 40 years there were only a few major brands and selection of tires were produced, you will pay about the same price for each one. But now foreign competition has flooded the US market, so these super stores put the pressure on the US manufacturers to compete, and how they competed. You may wonder why a major brand tire that sale for $200.00 and a tire that looks the same but different brand name manufactured by the same company sales for $125.00 can be the same. Again, it is the materials incorporated into the tire that will determines the increase or decrease the quality and life. One way that might help in determining if you’re that concerned about different brands and pricing is to look at the information code on the tires and if there the same code, that consistent like manufacturing dates, mileage and warranty, then you might what to weigh them to see if there with in the same weight. You may be surprised. This may not tell you the makeup of all the components but will give you a pretty good idea why the differences in the price. Remember, you get what you pay for. The DOT has strict regulation on the tire manufacturing industry and there is a gray line between quality tire and market driven prices. Thanks

Just like tool companies every company does it

Same pattern but rubber might be different

I'm told Mastercraft is a subsidiary of Cooper and are made in the same factory as Cooper with the same compounds. The Mastercraft Galaier Trex snows looks almost identical to the Cooper Evolution snows with very slight variation in tread block placement and sipe direction, except the Mastercraft "looks" to expel water and slush more efficiently and is $20. less expensive per tire. Just sayin'.

@righteousredneck777

Жыл бұрын

About to try a set of mastercraft. I've always had luck with Cooper. Many don't know that Goodyear now owns Cooper. As of Nov 2022

@Slim1423

Жыл бұрын

@Righteous RedNeck Mastercrafts tires are good. Have used them in new or used condition, and they are good.

I don't understand your point of the video. So what if they have different priced tires? It's nothing different than any other company selling different products at various price levels to suit customers budget. VW has a $20 k car all the way up to $1M Lambo. Nothing sneaky about it. It's up to the buyer to decide what they want or need.

I've been with multiple shops for over a decade in the industry, you are not wrong, but some of the info you are using isn't accurate, you said you can get a cooper for half price if you go Mastercraft, I Norma will recommend people to choose master craft/hercules over cooper, the price difference is more like 10%

They do this with everything

Fallen and Hirsh are part of sumitomo

This guy lol. He walks around sounding like he just hit a line of cocaine, chats it up with some captivating stuff, and it all kind of sits with me like putting water in a bucket filled with holes. All that taking and he never actually said a single fuckin thing! "This manufacturer and this manufacturer and guys let me tell you and blah blah blah" Christ's sake dude will you say something already! More than likely the tires are made by the cheap names and sell their top quality products to the expensive names, hello! So yes probably same tire 🤣

Every brand sells their product to companies to use their product with that companies name and logo. As an example. Theres only 2-3 manufactures making all the batteries worldwide. They just swap logos. But yet people will still stand behind their brand of choice saying its the best. This is nothing new. Just do your homework before spending your hard earned money.

Ok same punch out but is one better material better quality rubber

No sir, I've had cheap offbrand Coopers, which I hated, and real Coopers, which I LOVED, looked exactly the same, the actual Cooper blew the others out the water, compound was much softer and it lasted much longer.

@jamesnm21

6 жыл бұрын

BronzeChicken which model were those? I have the cooper discoverer m+s load range e on a 2500 plow truck.

@bronzechicken4437

6 жыл бұрын

I have a pair of Cooper Discoverer ATs I got used for $20, look new, and I love them so much I'd buy a set new in a heartbeat, they pull great, ride nice and I get great MPG outta them

@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987

6 жыл бұрын

BronzeChicken yea this guy also says Michelin pilot sports are shitty tires because they come bald from the factory and have no traction in the rain or snow. So if the guy doesn't know that a summer performance tires are not all season and tells people that the best performing tire on the market is the worst tire made I'm sure he don't know anything about cooper tires. I'm sure all this guy sells is cheap Chinese tires

@auskip07

4 жыл бұрын

its physically impossible for a tire to be much softer and last longer

This video is misleading as hell...a lot of the "same exact tires with different names" are actually made with an entirely different compound, different ply construction, materials, etc...

Black lion by Voracio is an excellent discount tire on my SUV.

@Slim1423

Жыл бұрын

Black lion is the previous name of Black Hawk. Ever heard of them, and are they any good? Sailun bought out Black Lion.

You’re not saying anything.

Fallen and antsy are part of sumitomo

Falken is tied with Sumitomo.

😂 yeah mastercraft tires are crap! It’s what the tire compound is made of that makes the difference not the tread pattern

Adderall hitting hard

holy dude be more straight you are flipping back and forth to much, you go to say somethin g then get side tracked back....

Tread pattern is null it's the compound and silica that matters.

@1godgodgodgodgod

3 жыл бұрын

The ratings are the same . So next

Mispronounced alot of Brands names and makes for a tire salesman

You spoke for 3 and a half minutes and said nothing. So cooper had a tread design and Mastercraft copies it. You mean to tell me that it's the same? Bullshit. Compounds are different. Probably even a different number of plys as well.

News of the obvious 🤦🏻‍♂️

If you are deciding to buy inexpensive Asian tires do your homework check as many reviews on them as possible . Some are crap , some are very good . Sailun tires are made in China they have great reviews , They came with my Kia when I bought the car new , I'm replacing them now as they are 1/2 worn after 6 years , never had a problem. now I'm replacing them with Nexen tires they also have amazing reviews these are made in Korea

@Slim1423

Жыл бұрын

I have Nexen Roadian and they have given me trouble. Many have needed to be plugged. Getting ready to replace my Nexens soon though. Hope you have better luck with Nexen though.

There is a Chinese company called "Antares" that has an all terrain tire that is an exact copy of the Bridgestone dueller A/T RHS but you will get less then half the wear out of them.

@jamesnm21

6 жыл бұрын

pat080886 how do you know they have shorter tread life?

@pat080886

6 жыл бұрын

jamesnm21 I am a certified mechanic at a shop that sees a huge Turn around of tires and I have seen First hand some of these knock offs not last half as long as a brand name with the same tread pattern.

@jamesnm21

6 жыл бұрын

pat080886 I see. A while back I was researching tires and found forums comparing say michelin ms2 tires to firestone destination tires and there was a lot of variation in the mileage they were getting. Some swore by the michelins while others couldn't get near the tread life from similar vehicles/driving circumstances. Same with the firestones. Even owners of entire fleets of vehicles were getting opposite results from the same tire. It was pretty hard to gain much useful data to say the least.

@pat080886

6 жыл бұрын

jamesnm21 forums are hard to get any good information from as far as tire tread life and traction characteristics. I have seen the same things though. A good example is I seen a set of BFG all terrain KO2 go 60,000 + miles and have also seen them on an identical truck different owner only last 35,000 so it's a lot to do with the conditions and roads they are driven on/in also the driving habits of the owner and how they maintain their tires such as proper air pressure and rotations etc

@dano5814

6 жыл бұрын

pat080886 twice in my life i bought the same exact brand name tire because i thought they were real good and was hugely dissappointed. one being a general ameriway and the other a kumho solus. they can change the formulation with the click of a mouse.

Millions of miles driving ( I do it for a living) Bridgestone for trucks & Cooper or Pirelli for cars

There's the key word "Made in China". Chinese manufacture made the tires to look exactly like the USA ties but they used different rubbers and/or component that is not to standard so yeah, your made in China tires are going to blow out. It's about the ingredient or rubbers that goes t make the tires, not how it looks. Good Years dose the same shit and so as every other manufacture out there..selling under their name. ...just a copy right but what goes into making the tires is not the same quality materials makes up the tires. Give this subject to "Project Farm" here on KZread and he can give us a better comparison.