I purchased my 2022 18M Thor (RIZE) in May of 2021. I love the size, it's loaded but here are the issues we have had. The awning beeped the minute we left the showroom NO ONE had answers and it wasn't batteries (told to replace over and over). It was bad wiring from Thor when installed. The water pump and filter were not secured to the wall. They were just hanging behind walls. The generator stopped working w/only a few hours on it. The gas line was so long it needed a second pump. Additionally, the generator had about a inch clearance. I don't know how this got past me but first trip we found out because I couldn't clear things it easily should. I have spent $400 for awning, $900 for extra generator line pump & labor, $300 to secure filter and pump and will need to spend $3000 to lift it 3 inches. Thor will only pay $225 for labor. So, know what you are getting into with this unit.

@sandrastevens2793

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard from reviews by customer that Thor has building issues. So sorry. You just confirmed for me.

@br8eyz012

2 жыл бұрын

Ooof. I was thinking of buying this one, but dont think so anymore

@Desperado3248

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the rumors about Thor quality and customer service are true

@Desperado3248

2 жыл бұрын

A disgrace. Was considering this unit but not now. Apparently the stories of poor Thor quality control and lousy customer service are true

@zonacrs

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, thanks for the checklist. This just blows me away. What the hell happened to quality control and how could Thor/the dealer deliver that in good conscience.

Matt struggling with convoluted sofa beds is always the highlight.

@tchrof6th

3 жыл бұрын

Haha 😆 yeah he’s the best! #vanlife

@newenglandrider3189

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@dorisshanks3404

3 жыл бұрын

I was in hysterics as Matt struggled with those puzzle cushions. The funniest one yet! Omg!

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Matt you are so cute working. So hard with the couch. And andrea had a chance to see him.love you guys. Jan from texas.

All the outside hookups for water, waste, propane, and electricity should be under hatches, just like the fuel. Nothing says “I’m sleeping in my van” like RV hookups and accessories all over the place.

How about a Murphy bed

LOL the bed!

Great for one person

We could toad that bad boy as a Tender for our NewAire ......LOL !!!

I love you guys energy. Somebody around the corner from me has this one. The only negative for me is like you said no true place for the TV and instead of a microwave I would prefer a confection oven.

The people driving by are probably wondering why someone is filming a guy on a toilet. 😂

@mrvapor4791

3 жыл бұрын

:P

If I had the cash, this would be my preferred travel vehicle, put a convection microwave in it and a single cup coffee maker would improve it a lot. maybe induction cook top or a split convection/gas stove.

LMAO at the bed demonstration👍

Damn. That ground clearance gonna wreck you.

@taita2080

3 жыл бұрын

yea, its pretty scary to think about the generator that low which can trash out in a moment

@Antandthegrasshopper

3 жыл бұрын

That has the clearance of my Toyota Prius!

@robertschulke1596

3 жыл бұрын

Strictly a street vehicle. Absolutely no dirt roads.

@elainecrawford6891

3 жыл бұрын

I was just going to say the same....😳

@phthisics

3 жыл бұрын

The Carado Axion, with the same platform and layout, uses an underhood generator (basically a second alternator attached to the engine) instead.

I love Matt fighting with that bed... I was laughing like crazy. Thanks

@joycejames8461

3 жыл бұрын

Fighting with the screen door was a good warm up too!

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Way to small for matt. He is use to class c.s. i think..or class a

$50 ice tray 👍 Watching Matt make that bed is the best.

Fun review, thank you! If Thor is really listening, I think the general consensus from potential buyers like myself is that the clearance under the gas generator is scaring us away. If it came with the lithium option (or somehow an underhood or somehow better placed generator) I would not even hesitate to get this one.

I like that it is small but fully equipped.

Thank You

Like everything about it except how low it is. The generator is going to eat it. If I was a single traveler, this is a win. I’d have to get a lift on it just to get more generator clearance.

@NoName-zq6ic

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, needs to be on a Promaster 2500 series lifted about 10 inches with electric steps for all entry doors with step button on key fob.

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Ford chasis please no ram..thank you just my prefrence.no offence..

I have a adult disabled son with Autism . , I am considering this as a get out of the home vehicle , he needs a bathroom and has accidents and sometimes has challenges transitioning into environment’s, this would enhance our life so much .

Cassette toilets would better suited for the days gas stations had toilet access outside.

These Class B manufacturers need to find a better way to keep the generators placed. The ground clearance is less than a sports car. Either lift the van, or include portable ones. That generator is going to get taken out the second this leaves the pavement.

@wizeb8282

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I was gonna say ground clearance looks lower than a car!

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

All rigs should be self contained.no generators if possible...i think it also takes oil and gas for the generators.they are just to noisy. Maybe solar would be better....thank you.

@ftkinsella

3 жыл бұрын

If they won’t put enough solar on the roof to avoid using a generator then put the generator on the roof with a cover like the A/C. Cheers!!!

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect yep ....wouldnt the. Sound be to noisy. Look at all the city buses. They have everything on the roof. Make the rooftops strong. And well insulated also lightweight to to hold the weight.should be on all r.v.s and class bs. Thank you.

@seabliss22

3 жыл бұрын

@@janchapman3746 no can do. Even people with the best solar array report that they must use their generator at times. Often the weather or the site will not allow enough sun to do their job.

Matt, read the instructions. I am sure Andrea can read. lol lol Enjoyed the bed assembly. Thanks for the laugh.

if you leave the back doors open it can be prime pooping position.... cool van for size and price.... agree on tv, i do like having one.

For one Person...it is great..especially if you live small town rural and you are putting 3 hrs to visit family all over and bigger shopping is 3 hrs away.. AC, Bath, movable chairs. Like....Convection oven is a miss..some swing arm for TV, easier bed fold out..but a great not long term vamp van but weekender visit,,liver at relatives visit van,,visit family,..personal excursion van. The installed solar and the AC trump the other one completely...if older that tight of an upper is no go..I think the storage above front could handle bedding. You have a pantry and a dressing storage area...fridge and slide out are cool. I think you have some kind of laptop tv maybe..

Yeeeeeahhhh! Thanks for touring this! I’m in love by this small class B! It’s so cute and so functional! You two are the best

Was Matt expecting a porcelain cassette toilet?🤣 Did you mention the CCC? Wish you would have talked more about the components - what's under the bed? Is the fresh water tank inside? How much solar was on the roof? Where are the batteries and inverter (would it be easy for the buyer to upgrade to lithium)? This is a perfect layout for a solo traveler - wish they gave the dimensions of the bed without pulling out - curious if it's wide enough to use it like a twin without pulling it out.

Great review! This one just might be the winner for me. Bed in the front, bathroom in the back. 🤘

LOL I want this RV but him wrestling with that bed set up was hillarious! He was sweating after...thats going to be me too LOL

Thank you! Thank you!

I’d like an awning delete option. More interested in low cost and stealth.

@MrKim-kv2vv

3 жыл бұрын

And a generator delete option...

Thor this is everything you could ask for in a class B this size! Absolutely beautiful!

Much better layout than the Sanctuary.

appreciate your taking the time to show how you fit in the bed. Often, RV reviews show the bed but don't show how someone might fit in it. In this particular model you are right on. Thank you

Nice job Matt and Andrea! This was very cute, but, I can't do puzzles when I'm tired so the bed would make me insane and I like a spot for a television. I do think no matter the size of the toilet, having one is priceless.

@TheBandit7613

3 жыл бұрын

Having a toilet is 100% mandatory. I don't like using toilets that the general public used. Germs.

@ideasboutique

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBandit7613 precisely... and I prefer to deal with that task indoors with a seat, I've got vertigo so my balance can't be trusted.

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

I. Agree.with. you. All. It is vital to have matts poop toilet or i dont buy it. Needs porclain.the couch is absoulety out get another couch .how about a couch bed.pull out to make into a bed.

@TheBandit7613

3 жыл бұрын

@@janchapman3746 Jack knife sofa would work and be so much easier.

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Hi chris your right on.i meant a jack knife bed is preferable. Would really be. Better.thank you jan..

Matt and Andrea thanks so much. You're super amazing. Love your videos, so real, so natural, so funny and friendly and professional.

Lol awesome video!! Van life!! Love how everything is compact!

Perfect to travel with pets to keep ac on. Skip generator and 100% battery though. Treat as your car with a bathroom and a coffee maker.

🥳🥳🥳 #vanlife thanks Matt and Andrea 💚

I like the refrigerator, I like the swivel front seats, I like the sink in the bathroom that tips as the ones with drain holes don't drain. Dislike how the screen doors are attached, dislike that the one cabinet over the kitchen counter has a bunch of monitors & plugs, dislike the pocket doors that never seem to stay on the tracks.

Im failing your butt on setting up that bed! That was comedy! lol # van life!

Almost every Van refrigerator in Europe, has a door that opens both ways. Get with it!

Your energy alone would buy from you :)

I like that the splash guard for the stove doesn't block the one kitchen window. Can keep the air circulation and cooking smells going out.

Thank you for not time laspsing the bed 🤣😂. This van is adorable!!! I'd love it as my daily driver. I would put a tablet sized tv on the pantry wall. It can be viewed while in bed or in the swivel seats. Now let's talk about that bed.. Small van equals single person. So why not focus a quality single bed instead of always trying to make it into a queen? 🤷 I mean, they could have a very comfortable full sized mattress sunken inside the couch. Just toss the cushions up front and roll out your sleeping bag. Or put Velcro on them and stick them to the ceiling 🤔 anyway.. all three of my dislikes are in the bed. There are a thousand other ways to create it if they would just get the queen sized bed out of their builds.

There are two relevant Facebook pages. One is for the Thor Rize or Scope 18M (Thor seems to use both names and also has an 18T without a bathroom). The other is for the Carado Axion, which has the same layout but different features (such as a marine toilet instead of the 18M's cassette toilet). Lots of discussion of this vehicle on both sites.

Love love love the cassette toilet in the rear wish that would come in the other larger ones with the rear bathroom

Love you guys you have so much energy keep up the good work, & God bless

I like the fact the fridge is accessible from the outside. You can grab a cold drink or food for cooking out side without tracking dirt in. I wish they could come up with some way to incorporate the front seats ( folding all the way down) to help make part of the bed. Have no idea how you would do it, but would really save on space in a tiny vehicle.

For God's sake just do the Murphy bed.

Dislikes: I noticed there are electrical outlets in the rear very close to the shower area. If the curtain is not properly sealing the shower area water could splash on the electrical outlets and the cabinets. The bed is a puzzle to make. Very little storage. The truck itself being a front wheel drive Fiat. Price is to expensive for what you get, a small class C is better. Likes: None. Thanks for your review, I really enjoy your honesty.

May be I can get it for my business.

This vehicle seem very well suited for those two night trips to the trailhead and a place to rest after a long mountain hike. Love the bathroom and the refrigerator location. Personally, would never want a TV. Hopefully, Thor keeps on improving on this one as it seems a great design and will appeal to many. Small RVs have come a long way.

@dorfrt3508

3 жыл бұрын

But can you reach the trailhead without destroying the generator? I think this is pavement only.

I love this.

LOL. MATT. U were defect. not ready for this one. It was fun to see ur face expressions.... AND fighting with that bed.....hilarious. (::::

I like this! It would be nice to have a pop top on a 2500.

I still think the Winnebago Travato 5G(L) is the best class B today. Big bed, big fridge, big bathroom, its got it all.

@maryfraizer9988

3 жыл бұрын

Bigger van bigger price

@gulong612

3 жыл бұрын

Check the Thor sequence or tellaro , you will change your mind

@phthisics

3 жыл бұрын

it's not comparable to this. Only other 18 ft. RVs with a full bathroom are, and with those requirements the only alternative in North America is a used Carado Axion. Of course you have more room in a longer van. Duh.

💯 Great video! Appreciate you sharing this! 😊 Happy camping and travels! ⛺️

so cute! love it!! perfect solo vehicle!!!!

Great floorplan! You can go some beautiful places for the weekends, take a bicycle for example, and stay there with all the comforts.

Matt says Cheapest, Industry prefers Most affordable. We got you Matt.

80000 is to much. Make these 40k or less and they will become the new generation of family adventure station wagons in America.

@michaelmaaba5463

3 жыл бұрын

The van itself is about 35k . I’ve been debating building one myself or getting a Thor. The bigger 21ft you can get for about 85k pretty sure the scope will be 75k under. Also would love more transit options.

@TheRealHecky420

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmaaba5463 Wow. Ok. For that price I would buy it. This with a tent extension would be amazing.

Matt you're a great entertainer! I live your reviews, I've been watching them for over a month or so, I enjoy Andrea too, just as much thanks you all please keep up the Great work 💪

This is one of the better layouts for a Class B. Bed conversion is too much "work." Bath is awesome for this van. W

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

I will agree. With. You all. Likes and dislikes. All r.v.s and vans should should be self contained the poop toilet of matts. Well insulated. Tankless water heater. Best a.c. no wood. All metal.no rust

First Matt, Andrea and Will, love your reviews, especially liked your class b change of heart video. I am leaving this comment in the hopes that Thor does read the comments because a few minor changes to this van and it could be the greatest mobile lounge #vanlife short van ever. Similar floor plan to the carrado, which I always found to be super efficient. 1. Get rid of the generator, in the days of awesome big alternators throw two decent house batteries in, a solar charge controller and an alternator that can charge the batteries while driving and you’ll have all the power you need. 2. For the sake of Matt, change the sofa to a jackknife, you put them in a lot of your class c’s, it should not add that much weight to put one in this. Most people are not going to full time in this so make the seating comfortable and people can use a mattress topper to make it more comfortable. Theses changes would make a huge difference. I love this design, keep up the good work.

With the trouble you had and you are a professional. I would not touch this one,

I clicked subscribe after 3..2..1 and that jump. I was like, yeah, I like this guy!

@foxcroftandrea3213

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ☺️ and welcome to our channel

The trailer hitch is not made for a car. It's designed for towing a boat or is small trailer with dirt bikes.

Solar panel - that's nice, but NOPE, a small Class C with no slides is still better in terms of space and function.

Picked up MyWaggle, thanks for the discount!!

Hi, Matt & Andrea =) Cute unit. I like the bathroom, the counter extension, storage, Lagun table. I don't like the "bed", no TV placement (for a TV larger than 17"), the bug screen.

Nice van. A bit small for full timing I think. A suggestion... Please try to do your videos away from high volume traffic. The highway noise was very distracting.

"Not a prime poopin' position" - I'm dying 🤣

Bathroom is great but that bed is impossible. Good solution would be an integrated tent system that would attach to the door and could be used as a bedroom.

Leather Jackknife sofa, lithium batteries, under hood generator, on a Ford Transit which has so many more safety features than the Promaster plus an awd option. That would knock it outta park for me. Would pay the extra money for those upgrades...

#2 advice. If you are going to show an RV maybe practice how to put the screen up before you make it look impossible Just trying to help.

To have a bath or not to have a bath. That is the question. I still like the one with only an emergency toilet, although I would skip the pop-top as we have no grandchildren. This one is not really amenable to more than one person. The other could easily accommodate a couple. I like the ability to park in a car space. If you have the money I like the one built in Canada best.

Absolutely love the review . Nice bathroom pretty neat over all. Perhaps a projection tv /pull down screen. No way to make it over a speed bump with the clearance under there. Price imagine able.

Lmao ... “not a prime pooping position!!!” Still laughing...😜

Nice van very similar to a Coachman van traveller we had. Our sofa was similar to a toy hauler sofa from the garage. You just had to roll the back over and the bed was ready. I'm not good at Tetris either and I would just put the cushions anywhere. I think I would try to change it out.

As a solo traveler searching for my first RV...I like this for the bathroom and it being 18ft. I think since it would be just me, I'd leave the couch as is, add a topper and make it up like a twin bed & leave it that way. I see no real storage for a couple of larger items like a camping chair. Oh...and fat thighs? That would be me...and like the adjustable table. All the comments about the low generator are scaring me away though. I don't pretend to know of RV issues but I'm hearing these concerns loud and clear.

@justofftheroad8995

3 жыл бұрын

People are concerned about the clearance when it leaves the pavement...this vehicle is not made to leave the pavement. It is a street vehicle and dirt roads with uneven grading or large holes should be avoided. If you want an off-road Class B van to travel more rustic areas, then look at the Winnebago Revel. It was built for that purpose.

@phthisics

3 жыл бұрын

@@justofftheroad8995 And the Revel costs literally twice as much as this.

@janchapman3746

3 жыл бұрын

Hi ms. Quin. Matt and andrea is the one to talk to about anything. Contact them.please dont talk to anyone else just them. They are very honest. I myself would not talk to anyone but matt and andrea. You would be worry free with them Ground clearance is vitally important for. All of us. Ive got to have the ground clearance or i dont buy. Read all our comments. Everyone is super wonderful. I love everyone here. On matts channel. Im a big fan of everyone here. .....

@MrKim-kv2vv

3 жыл бұрын

@@justofftheroad8995 true, however there are lots of debris on the paved roads which will hit that generator should you have no option other than pass over the obstacle.

@pamelad4116

2 жыл бұрын

I was ready to buy! Comments about the generator are scary. But that is covered under warranty?

Matt and Andrea are AWESOME

@MattsRVReviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 😊

My brother picked his up 2 days ago. He will get alot of use with it. The reviews seem to be generally very positive.

This man really knows his stuff! LoL

I love this campervan, I live in a condo and need a shorter van to fit in my parking space, this would be perfect. BUT, I would want the 18M with a pop top, I'd like the microwave to be a convection one and I'd also like the option to upgrade to Lithium. I have my fingers crossed these will be possible options down the road. Thanks for the tour!

I like the side frig and ice tray

Hey Matt! And Andrea! I know that Andrea is happy about showing the roof from the inside! 😁A small "Around the "Scope"" skip!🤭 😊1.Push button Awn./Solar/Comfy seats in front-swiv.! 2.Nice Kit.-cab./des/Cool windows! 3.Bth. in the back! 😏1.Cumbersome screen door. 2.Cumbersome seats & cup holders.3.Sink over toilet.

I don't have any dislikes. This is actually perfect for me. The Thor 20K was my favorite floorplan up until seeing this model. The setup is similar, just smaller overall, with a bit less storage. I live pretty minimally, so the storage is fine IMO, and I like the idea of a shorter vehicle, and I like the cassette toilet. So this is everything I want. I saw the model with no shower and no...this one is the best.

Matt complained about this 18M model with the bathroom having less storage space than the 18T model without a bathroom. It seems not to have occurred to him that the space needed to add a bathroom had to come from somewhere.

Wish it had the volta system with lithium batteries and lots of solar

@taita2080

3 жыл бұрын

yea, would have been the best of its kind, I would get it for that and remove the low generator that can explode.

I like the sliding privacy doors to bathroom

Thanks for a great review!

I love this thing!

Agree with your review and comments.

I agree with having the bed cushions hooked together. It would be better as one long cushion. Induction burner would be better.

I think it is close to perfect for a solo traveler. I would use the bed as a single and not make it out. Maybe just a sleeping bag on it. Generator is too low would be the major issue for me - Can you imagine it on a gravel/rutted road? Needs a custom rolef bug screen. Who needs a big tv with a laptop or iPad? Love the size of the van inside and out!!

@zonacrs

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I would probably never pull out the bed and use it as a single. Also agreed on the tv vs. laptop or tablet, even at 60+ I'd rather do that. Would definitely add a cell signal booster. This thing has everything a solo traveler needs except ground clearance. The Promaster chassis has limited lift options due to the tiny wheel wells, particularly the front. You can find "3 inch lift kits" all day long but none of them will clear a 3" taller tire, that nets a 1.5" gain in ground clearance, without offset wheels and major hackery of the front wheel wells. The Promaster chassis is limited to grated roads and developed parks unfortunately, so you have to plan accordingly. This short wheelbase 1500 can probably go more places, with caution, than we give it credit for but is limited by the straight rear axle beam and low mounted generator. Really wish Ram would up their ground clearance with the chassis. As is, no matter the brand, Promaster based RV's are soft roaders at best.

I like it! No tv isn’t an issue for me, because I tend to watch stuff on my iPad. This would work well for how I camp!

Thanks, this is why I bought it

I have to say the more i see the new Thor scope the more I think 🤔 that’s cute. How much easier would this be to jet set around the country than a longer than 30 Ft motor home. I like it.

#VANLIFE Class B's are tiny with a big price tag. Apart from that I like em! This one really rocks. #Vanlife

🤔 the bathroom is nice but so many buts. The best part about that bed was watching Matt wrestling with it! 🤣 I really like the cabinetry. I really like the solar, but how well does it work? I really like the awning too. The clearance under the generator is worrisome. The screen was not good. No space for a tv? I would not really miss a tv but it seems like there are a lot of people who would. What about connecting to the internet? Did I miss that part is there a Wi-Fi extender? Because no tv and no connectivity is definitely not good. It seems like this needs some tweaking . It’s just too dang short for everything to fit. Thanks for another great review!