It's the ball but don't forget the modern rubbers also. After speed glue was banned the technique had to change, add that to the plastic ball and you have your answer. Table tennis looks different now than it did, all players had to make important adjustments or change something in their game. I liked the "old" version more.

@NoWheyHombre

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying that table tennis took on a similar transformation as court tennis when racquets changes from wooden small frames ( until the early 90s or kate 80s there were still users) to large synthetic ones? The "Old" tennis is far more dynamic, trying, and entertaining to watch in my opinion. Now everyonenhammers it downline and coming up is an oddity. Has table tennis changed? What were balls made from before plastic?

@crs2crs2

Жыл бұрын

@@NoWheyHombre The balls were made of celluloid, i liked them a lot more than the new plastic ones.

@Giggityzone

Жыл бұрын

@@NoWheyHombre Yes, table tennis has undergone a similar change due to more modern equipment like carbon fiber inlaid rackets and sophisticated rubbers + sponges. However, the change for both table tennis and tennis is not entirely due to progress in equipment but our knowledge of the physics of the sports have improved substantially as well. Techniques are much more fine tuned and there are countless research papers done that change the way we play. You can easily see this when you compare body movement of the athletes today versus the past, the old tennis/table tennis almost looks like a ballet, with flowing movements. While modern tennis/table tennis is a lot more compact, with full focus on energy transfer from the ground, similar to martial arts. Before plastic, the material used for table tennis balls was celluloid.

@timoernst

Жыл бұрын

I agree. As a kid I had a huge swinging backhand which was my main weapon. Today, 25 years later I cannot land this shot any more. I blame the plastic ball and tensor rubbers for this but maybe it’s just my age 👴🏻🤷🏻‍♂️

He has changed his swing likely due to the change in the dynamics of the new plastic ball, his physical ability from aging, and the swing speed required to recover in time during a volley so he can get to the next ball and be in position to hit the ball effectively. Players are also trained to play closer to the table.

How waldner shut Timo down while it works for others was so cool

He mentioned in one of his video that with the plastic ball he is hitting the ball harder instead of brushing. So he starts with a more open racquet and only when hitting he goes over the ball and closes the racquet. Less spin, but more control.

Don't get me wrong. I love Timo Boll, but I just can't help feeling that if one could combine his current experience, forehand and the backhand from the pre 2012 era, it would be amazing! Which version do you like?

lol what an ending!

One Word: plasticball. Boll said by himself that he has to stroke the Ball more now. It has changed his whole technique

Todo esto se debe al cambio del material de la bola y las nuevas gomas!!!

The problem with big backhand strokes is that when they work, they're absolutely beautiful and devastating, but much less consistent and they miss a lot. Compact strokes are much more consistent.

@drupepong

2 жыл бұрын

Would you say the same is applicable to big forehand strokes as well?

Plastic ball + 40 mm instead of 38mm C-ball. Bring me back the old good time...

Its more of a change of technique because of the new rubbers, i also saw a similar training with harimoto's forehand doing a compact stroke.

The heavier ball now has more dwell time on the racquet , so I am finding the old skool players among us who had a spinny backhand topspin pre plastic ball - now have side spin imparted on the backhand now because the new backhand stroke is more compact and forwards motion - if Kreanga was playing with the plastic ball now you would find players just as wide on the backhand side as they were on the forehand !! The modern backhand is different to the backhand us old skool have

Maybe there was something else, but all your examples from the earlier times with the big swing were in the situation where Timo had to reach for the backhand. He was transitioning from forehand to backhand on the run and had time and space for a bigger swing. With FZD the ball goes into the body and in the example with Harimoto the ball was coming into the elbow -- not much time for a big swing either.

@drupepong

2 жыл бұрын

Fair point, but I'd say the first point against Schlager and the Harimoto point, the ball comes onto the elbow. But I agree, which is I was also looking into the action during practice as well.

Its the ball and players playing close to the table! Can you make a Timo forehand then vs now?

@drupepong

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think his FH technique has changed a lot over the years but I'll try and make one.

@kioka2

2 жыл бұрын

@@drupepong Oook!

All players have developed a more compact stroke to adjust to the nature of the new plastic ball. Not just Timo.

Maybe because of the arms race towards speed ... the racket is simply faster now and require less swing and faster recovery time to receive a new ball

Bro I can see that, why you are adding subtitles to old videos

I guess it depends on the rubber also. During 2004 05 was the speed glue years

Yeah it seems more compact.

Poly ball and absence of speed glue I think

Probably due to using a different bh rubber.

i think the trajectory his backhand reduced , not too to the right of the opponent.

Ouh

The reason for this might be that he isn’t that young anymore

@drupepong

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, that could be a reasonable explanation but his forehand has still improved despite his age.

Тимо великий тенисист и человек. Но. Для совремеенного спорта удары слишком размашисты и справа и слева. И еще у европейских тенисменов привычка играть далеко от стола. Я уж не знаю: нехватка реакции, нехватка резкости, просто переоценка соперников, привычка играть вторым номером? Посмотрите на Фана и Ма, насколько резкие и короткие движения, не дающие провалиться после удара.

New plastic ball; less spin, less control, short rallies, everyone playing closer to the table, no time for long swing, no more defensive players neither penholders in the future.

@doompheonix1229

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say this would result in no pen holders

@ttime9947

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompheonix1229 Because it isn't true. Look at Dang Qiu and Felix Lebrun who aren't even from China. It isn't so much about the grip

@reinaldopessoa2603

2 жыл бұрын

@@ttime9947 right, and always time for big swing just small recovery time

@Wurtzinator

2 жыл бұрын

This. All strokes are shorter than they used to be. Compare the technique of the 90s with the 2000s and those with the post 2010s. You see the difference immediately. Plastic ball adds to that, but you need to be more compact because the game and tactics sped up.

@reinaldopessoa2603

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wurtzinator not all strokes are shorter the best players do it, but if you see the opportunity for a killer then you put in a big swing you just have to prepare for it to come back.

Why you critizize harimotos Backhand inconsistent. He s one of the best backhandplayer you dient know anything

@drupepong

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn't talking about Harimotos Backhand, I was talking about Timo Boll and I didn't say inconsistent. I said "notice that the initial backhands though consistent, lack the power to finish the point"