Do you guys agree?? This comment section is about to be dangerous! 😈😈😈

Comparing pdga ratings of different eras is a meaningless measurement. The strength of field is part of the rating calculations and not as many competitors are boosting that in Climo’s era. Many would say that’s all the more reason he’s not the best. This is a separate point and a fair thing to discuss.

Imagine if Climo got to play disc golf every day like McBeth. The fact he worked CONSTRUCTION 40 hours a week and still has so many stats over mcbeth should alone be enough to say "yeah Climo is so obviously the GOAT" If the disc golfers of the 90s in their prime had the opportunities for sponsorships and salaries as disc golfers do today, copy and pasted into the modern era we would see Barry Schultz, Ron Russell, and Scott Stokely playing at the level of McBeth, Wysocki, and Lizotte, and Climo would still be a lone pillar on a tier higher than them just as he was in our real history. I have always disagreed with the "more skilled players" arguments based on all those factors including the ones I didn't mention but were mentioned in the video.

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

Great point mentioning Stokely. He is in his mid 50s and still playing 1000+. The field is stronger now than 30-40 years ago but the top players are still in the same range talent wise. Climo, Shultz, Stokely would all be top pros if they were 20-35 now. Dave Feldberg is another guy who is still going at age 46 with a 1027 rating.

Climo did this part time, Paul does nothing else.

I’ve got a 12x KC pro roc and 12x KC champion Tbird in my bag no Mcbeth disc

@sammyboyyy

3 ай бұрын

gotta get you one...my favorite disc of all time is my 12x Wraith but i have a lotta mcbeth discs too!

rating does not count. 1000 back than was like 1030 today

The problem is... You'll never know.... But! Kenny did beat paul on a few occasions. Also, I think in 2016, kenny avgd. 1019 that year.... Not to mention the 1030 1040 rounds he played. He hit a couple 1050 rated rounds in 2015 a few times also. I think the consistency was falling but put that into perspective. He's playing at a high level towards the END of his career. I dont think he beat paul in that 4 yr stretch where he won all his titles... but again... He stopped playing soon after ... I think it's safe to say that they would have insanely good match-ups if Kenny was in his prime. This is 10 years AFTER Klimo won his last world title in MPO. And still put up insane numbers against good competition. His only tournament is 2017, and he avg. 1022. And Paul won with an avg of 1059. But again... That was kennys only sanctioned event that year. And hasn't played since. It's hard to think about because I think Paul is better. Ken Klimo was doing very well at the end of his career though, and I think if Kenny was in his prime, then his numbers are going to have a significant increase. I think people don't give Ken the respect he deserves. And just looking at how he played and when he played, not a lot of people recognize how good Kenny really was.

Not only is Paul the GOAT, he's also one of the best ambassadors for this sport. Just a great representative of disc golf.

@tattooedjohnson

Жыл бұрын

Bag kicker too. We all love playing with bag kickers.

@herbstomp003

Жыл бұрын

riiiiight because paul has worked so many jobs while on the pro tour...... you realize Ken had a full time job throughout his entire disc career? Ken is easily the better player complete with way more accomplishments than mcbish will ever have

@markmcgarity

10 ай бұрын

no he isn't, likely you have been playing for 5 years and all you know is mcbeth. when he wins 12 worlds i will agree with you

Ha!! Sick vid!! Literally just left a comment about this on a diff video of yours 😂

It's impossible to compare eras. Way too many variables. Ken was the goat of his era. McBeth is the goat of his era.

@pmac7641

Жыл бұрын

But this era is objectively better than the previous era, and it isn't even close. It's not Climo's fault he played in an earlier era, and if they switched ages, maybe it would be the opposite - but the truth is, prime McBeth dominates prime Climo.

@easy3discgolf144

Жыл бұрын

@@pmac7641 you're probably right. But that's the problem with the debate. It's impossible to test and know for sure. I say just let each goat of their era be the goat. They are both great players and made huge impacts on the game.

@pmac7641

Жыл бұрын

@@easy3discgolf144 I mean - I do get your sentiment, but I think it's telling that half the people argue McBeth is goat, and about half say "can't compare eras". Almost no one genuinely agues Climo was better, because it's objectively verifiable that Paul shot better rounds.

@jorgedomenech2153

Жыл бұрын

@@pmac7641 The Champ was where he needed to be. How old was MacBeth when the champ touched his shoulder??? he passed a great instinct to a young player called Mc Beth... they are of the same... each the better of the sport. Discgolf that is.... but what you fools dont realize... that the Goat was #1 PDGA "Steady" Ed Headrick . End of conversation, Sincerely, LOCO 10545 Bad Banana Ranch!

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

@@pmac7641 I really don't get your point. Yes there are a lot more really good players now but McBeth doesn't win at the rate Climo did. If McBeth had 12 World Titles then your point would make sense.

Paul is the GOAT, hands down!

This debate again…is not really a debate because you can’t compare the eras, as has already been said. It was a different game in Climo’s era: shorter courses, single chain baskets, mostly backhand play, and fewer, slower discs with so-so less consistent plastic. In Climo’s era, they played a finesse game meaning you would have to throw your disc with a certain speed and angle to get the line you wanted, given the wind and weather conditions. They also had few discs to choose from. That meant that one disc would do the job of many by today’s standards. And the stable disc they had in their bag could quickly become understable after a few tree hits because of the poor plastic. The pros were always searching for those good runs of hard to find overstable discs because discs in general were so inconsistent, much more than today. When they found one, it was like finding gold, and nobody was giving away good discs as they were so hard to find. Because the discs were often understable, the player were experts at the anhyzer and turnover shots, especially in the woods. And they could improvise with the “wrong” disc when they had to. Sidearm or big distance was not considered necessary. When Stokley played on the tour last year, players said he still had big distance and one of the best sidearms in the game. He had these same advantages when he played in the 1990s , but he could never beat Climo. The single chain baskets would spit out several dead center putts every round. And this is with the general use of the softer loftier spush putt because a spin putt would spit out more. A big putt would have a hard time staying in the basket. That’s why it was often normal to lay up when putting outside C1. So, could McBeth or the players of today beat Climo in the 1990s? Not happening. Just as Climo couldn’t beat McBeth or many of the players of today. The game is too different in each era. To compare, conditions and skills have to be relatively the same and in the Climo / McBeth eras they are not.

That thumbnail is amazing

Let's let Paul finish his career........then everyone can compare...

@pmac7641

Жыл бұрын

Paul could retire today and he's still the GOAT.

This isn't like comparing Ty Cobb and Mike Trout. I mean these two guys competed against each other and Climo held his own especially considering his age. In 2011 for instance Climo at age 43 finished ONE SHOT behind McBeth at the PDGA Championship. At the 2012 Beaver State Fling, Climo at age 44 finished SIXTEEN SHOTS AHEAD of McBeth. In 2015, the year McBeth won his forth straight title, he edged a 47 year old Climo by just 5 shots in the Hall of Fame Classic. There are other examples but clearly if you could match Climo and McBeth at the same age and year, they would be very very close.

@WyattWagner

Жыл бұрын

You should also keep in mind that when looking at these stats, Paul was newer to the tour. Paul won his first NT in 2011, the Memorial, and in 2012 he still wasn't on a full tour. During this season Paul was still playing B/C tiers. Ken Climo went crazy in 2015 at Worlds, playing in the Masters division on a different layout than MPO. We can't compare really any of these scenarios when talking about when they played each other because of their dominance in these times. Climo will always be known as an incredible player, but Paul McBeth is easily the greatest player the sport has seen.

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

@@WyattWagner I am not sure what you are referring to. McBeth turned pro in 2008 and was world champion in 2012-2013-2014-2015 and played a full schedule of events each year so it really isn't relevant that he also played in some B/C tiers as well. To the extent he played in lower level events it certainly wasn't because he was a lower level player. The DGPT didn't exist and the schedule was much more of a hodge-podge then it is now but even so in 2012, for instance, McBeth played in six National Tour events and three majors. So while McBeth was in his early prime, Climo was in his 40's and well past his prime. Stating that McBeth is "easily the greatest player" is a fine opinion to hold but it's not backed up by the evidence.

@addone2745

Жыл бұрын

your just cherry picking data

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

@@addone2745 Back up your assertion or you are just a troll.

Its funny you show a video with Brodie and Paul interacting

Would have been better if your graphs showing player rating used the same scale on the rating axis. Throws off the visual comparison 🧐

Seem like most of the video was on player rating. I know it's never been brought up, but like in chess there's a thing call RATING INFLATION! The more competitors you have the rating system gets inflated. Just skimming through some of these comments. Climo would probably have been a better ambassador if he was getting paid like the current pros are.

Young folks these days are confused about the "all time" part 😅

When will McBeth and Tiger play together?

consider the courses they were playing. Yeah they had less disc technology but they were playing shorter courses. Different eras

Climo is the goat 💯 No questions asked 👍

Let's see a match between the two!

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

They payed each other many times. Go to StatMando and see for yourself. Climo finished ahead 6 out of 27 times against a guy 22 years younger.

Climo IS the GOAT.... I'm sorry but it's not really close. People are picking Macbeth cause that's who they know but I followed both and KC was more dominant in his era which is the only metric that should be used when comparing players from different generations.

Best disc golf viedo iv ever seen

I agree with ya!.

The title of goat always falls to the veteran. To be the goat means you've been in the game the longest

its not even a debate

Kenny did more with less.

Climo for me

Climo is the GOAT, without him, there is no McBeth. I love Paul, I think he is right up there with Ken, but you cannot deny the importance and dominance of Ken Climo.

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

Without him there's no Paul? Gotta elaborate on that cause that makes no sense. Climo wasn't responsible for mcbeth getting into disc golf.

@HonduDan

Жыл бұрын

@@Discsforbaskets Climo had a big hand in growing the sport and popularizing disc golf. Can't deny that. Had Climo not have brought more of a spotlight onto diac golf, it likely wouldn't have gained the traction it had when Paul started. It's all hypothetical, of course.

Ken Climo by so far it's not even comparable. Ken had a job during his entire disc golf career, but Paul doesn't do anything other than play disc golf. Ken is easily better in every sense of the idea.

Bill Russell is the goat!!

The Bill Russell Jordan comparison is no good.. basketball is a team sport.

I wish climo would get into the commentary booth or at least make himself seen.

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

Another reason he isn't the GOAT.

Climo because they don’t build em like they used too

Don’t know and don’t really care, but you may have just defeated you’re own argument. KC working a full time job and playing at that level is unbelievable. Think of how much harder they all had to work on their game. How good would other pros in sports be if they had to work full time jobs on top of playing their sport? Honestly Paul probably is better, but not by much considering he has no other worries financially. The last argument I’ll make is being able to play well under pressure. Something that can’t really be measured. KC is probably on par with PM in that category. Not really fair to compare a guy who played disc golf as a secondary job to a guy who only plays dg for a living.

your x axis on the ratings comparison is crazy misleading - I completely agree Paul is better, but I think looking at the variance of each player rating and having a unified x axis scale would be more pure imo

@nickackerman3998

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment

Climo is what now, masters division or senor masters? I think he's around my age, and I'm 55

@DarttheLegend

Жыл бұрын

He’s 54, but he can’t play tournaments anymore because of an irreparable hip injury several years ago

Ultimately this debate doesn't really matter. Russell vs Jordan isn't really a good comparison. Basketball is a team sport. It's more similar to Woods vs Nicklaus. Comparing the eras is like apples to hammers. Paul benefits from plastic and disc changes and more money on tour leading to having the leverage to make it a career. Ken seems to get penalized for fewer great competitors in his era which I don't get. How is that His fault. So since Wilt Chamberlain played against less talented defenses and players, is his individual dominance less impressive too? Had there been more and greater competitors for Ken, the game would've become bigger sooner. If the game was more popular when Ken dominated, he would have made more $$ and been able to make it a career too. Paul has been a almost impenetrable wall his fellow tour players have had to reckon with for a long time. And yes, Paul changed the game. Flipped the plastic script to new heights for sure. Let's not forget though, there may have never been the emergence of a player like Paul if it weren't for Ken. Ken paved the way for Paul and so many others. Without Ken doing that to Begin with, this debate would never have happened. For that reason, Ken The Champ, is the greatest in my opinion.

How dare you disrespect climo the goat

Paul has my vote

McBeth, and probably nobody ever this dominant again... well maybe Buhr :p

World titles are the most impressive. Climo is the goat

So what you're saying is, if Ken Climo at his absolute best had a time machine and traveled into the future to 2022, that he would get destroyed by McBeth? But also if he trained 24/7 like today pros and had access to today's discs, he would then likely be on the same level as McBeth?

@joeblow2426

Жыл бұрын

Right. This is a definite “what if.” What if Climo went back to the future as a child and developed a consistent side arm, a spin putt, used better and more types of discs, threw at multi-row chained baskets, played longer more challenging courses, and developed a modern, more reliable throwing technique? Or, what if McBeth went back to the past as a young man, never having played before, taught himself to play backhand only, learned to play a finesse game throwing a few stable and understable discs with mostly poor inconsistent plastic, spush putted at single chain baskets, and played on short courses? Then you could actually make a fair comparison between the two. (Good luck with that.) Statistics are much more meaningful when conditions are relatively the same. (Numbers can also be manipulated to project a desired outcome.) Clearly, in this comparison playing conditions are not close to being the same. The game in the two eras is too different.

@baronvonnembles

Жыл бұрын

@@joeblow2426 I don't think the net of the various "conditions" is as important as many seem to think. Courses are tougher, but discs are better. Competition is greater but baskets are better. Etc.

Not to settle the GOAT debate but I want to see prime Climo vs McBeth on a technical, wooded course like WR Jackson, Northwood, parts of GMC, MVP Open courses etc …head to head in the woods, I’m taking Paul. Seems like a lot of the courses in KC’s era were open fields, sloping golf course style holes and I would want to see them head to head with more technical, scrambling golf, with a wider variety of needed shot shaping selections. I’d take Paul over KC in the woods. I’d be interested to hear others thoughts on this. ***also, I think Ricky Vs Paul stats are different comparison than Ken Vs Paul for example because the same era Vs different eras…Ricky>Paul in a lot of tournaments except the big majors…where it counts more…6x Worlds, USDGCs > Ricky’s recent Elite Series wins or even DGPT…Worlds I think is the biggest stage of them all…6x in Paul’s era as opposed to Climo’s is more impressive to me AND let’s not forget Paul has been in the Top 2 at Worlds for the last 10 years

@DarttheLegend

Жыл бұрын

You may not have been around back then, so I forgive the ignorance but I was around for disc golf in the 90s and disc golf was almost EXCLUSIVELY played in the woods back then. When USDGC first started in 1999 was when “open courses” really started to become a concept. Old school disc golfers hate open courses.

@neilmilroy2093

Жыл бұрын

@@DarttheLegend nope! I wasn’t around back then! I only started playing disc golf a few years ago. I’m just going off of the videos I’ve seen of Ken Climo playing! Those were all open courses or at least those holes. Thanks for educating me!

Why are we comparing Paul and Kenny? Why not Ricky, or someone else? I will tell you why - Paul has 6 world championships. He is one of the most winning players right now. You can't end the debate between these 2 players because numbers don't prove anything. Strength of competition also means nothing. It's all speculation. Player ratings weren't even around till 2002. Paul is being filmed all the time, Kenny was filmed every now and then. You think Paul is the GOAT because he has better numbers right now, and you see how good he is on your screen, so what? Unless you can make Kenny 20 years younger, or take Paul back in your time machine then this "debate" is useless. I started playing in 1981, I watched Kenny live & in person. I say Kenny is better than Paul. Because the number of world championships is why Paul is in this conversation, Kenny is still the GOAT.

Paul probably beats Ken heads up...but Ken set up the entire sport to be this popular! He's number two behind Steady Ed!

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

How did Ken set the sport up to be popular? He wasn't ever a big personality from my understanding, just a good player.

@tattooedjohnson

Жыл бұрын

@PK KP He legitimized a sport that got zero respect as a sport. He gave the entire competitive community a square target to go for. He put tournament play on the map being dominant. It's like saying Bill Russell was trash because he wasn't LeBron. NO KENNY NO PAUL...happy discing!

its like comparing Gretzky to Mcdavid.

I dont think there is a fair answer because there is too much "what if" to debate. Climo is a legend regardless and Paul is amazing in his own right. Can't we just say we will never see the level of domination Climo displayed in the 90s and that Paul is the best player post Climo?

Video ends at 43 seconds.

@discgolfcontent

Жыл бұрын

youre one of them! 🤣

@DrFrisb

Жыл бұрын

Statistics don't lie

@t____g____5606

Жыл бұрын

It’s ok. Keyser don’t have something called common sense. Brodie Smith would’ve spanked climo back in the day. Just watch footage. That’s like saying Joe Biden is cognitively sharp.

@martingriggs6362

Жыл бұрын

@@discgolfcontent I am one of them. I watched Kenny in his prime. I started playing in 1981. I have watched a lot of disc golf. Paul is very good, but Kenny is better because of his mental game. That's why the video ends in 43 seconds.

Ricky W is way better and way more consistent than Paul. Everyone just loves to ride pauly lol

One could device a metric which uses average distance to gain strokes from driving. Distance isn’t everything but given two players with equal putting, the one that throws farther with same accurary as the other will simply get better scores. I’m content that this kind of metric has gone up in years. Essentially it would say that in 90’s precision 300ft was enough to be in the mix. Now we are talking at least 400ft of shaped golf lines to get birdies and gain strokes. Then there probably already exist a metric which accounts for dominance. Often the more mature a sport is the more difficult it’s to dominate and there’s higher variance in winners. Dominant players could be called game changers as they take the sport to a new level. I’d imagine there’s a way of estimating players performance who plays in hard-to-dominate-era.

climo ALL day long

Paul's stats speak for themselves but Climo's have a bunch of what-ifs. Hard to compare different eras, especially when they're so different.

Climo is the goat. Respect where disc golf came from. Paul is great but numbers don't lie. people will always be able to make excuses for why it's a newer player. There's probably a kid right now that will one day be a world champion and he'll be up against stiffer competition, he'll have more time dedicated to the sport and with better equipment and discs. Ken climo is the goat just like Michael Jordan is the goat of basketball .

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

By your logic, Bill is the goat not Jordan. Climo wasn't playing pros that had the dedication he had or the players today have to the sport.

@dillonterry1

Жыл бұрын

@@Discsforbaskets Sure.. but he also didn't dedicate near as much of his time or have near the level of disc options that Paul has. Paul is making enough money to do this for a living. Climo had a job and still dominated in his spare time. it's a fun debate to have but Paul still has some wins to stack up and many more years to play. so we shall see. Either way Climo is a legend and his records will stand. A goat is an opinion.

You will also have to consider the inflation that comes with development of new technology, new plastics new molds, need training regimes, knowledge etc. Maybe Macbeth wouldn't even have been close to climo in the 90's and 00's, when the game and the equipment was less developed? So maybe consider en normal distribution of professional players ratings and see if either player stands out when correcting for gained knowledge and better equipment. If no correction is made my suggestion is that every Hall of Fame in sports history should be cleared out because no players back then could compete with today's professionals.

Great take and great vid, Paul is the 🐐

U literally only stated why Climo was better. I don't get your point bro

Paul is the Goat. He is just from another planet.

Putting that Brodie Smith clip in was brilliant all things considered

I think the level of competition says it all. McBeth all the way!

You can't compare discgolf to basketball So don't try. How about comparing discgolf to traditional golf......this makes more sense. So.... Who is considered the greatest golfer of all time? I believe the majority believes it's Jack " the Golden Bear" Nickaulus., With Tiger being 2nd. If they played against each other most think Tiger would best Jack. The same applys with these two. McBeth is hands down a better discgolfer and would come out on top more against Climo, but Climo is the GOAT!!

I've made the case elsewhere in these comments that McBeth and Climo are likely very close in talent. When you consider how an aging, well past his prime Climo performed against McBeth in McBeth's early prime, it is fairly easy to reach that conclusion. I must note however that while Climo's career is complete (barring a Stokely-esque comeback) , McBeth is still at the top of his game and presumably will continue to add to his GOAT credentials for another 8-10 years. By the end of McBeth's career he may well be the clear #1 but at the present time the numbers don't back that up.

Paul mcbeth is disc golf. Disc golf is Paul mcbeth

The real question is not whether Paul Mcbeth is better, he is. The real question is, would Paul Mcbeth the disc golfer exist without him?The fact that he would not, arguably makes Ken Climo the greatest of all time.

@ShawnSchulz

Жыл бұрын

I don't think Climo is his dad. :)

Nowadays, more players are 10 strokes away from the lead than were even in the tournaments in the early 2000s. It's different eras though, comparing them is pointless. Like you said, Paul has more discs and better discs to choose from. But there's at least 30 players that are just as skilled as he is in every tournament.

PM is the GOAT.🐐 Not even close. you could take any top 25 PDGA player fom today, an they would dominate in the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. The sport just wasnt the same. the courses were very easy an alot simpler. Somthing also can be said of the lack of OB in the earlier days, it was simply alot easer to score a higher round. Aslo Todays day an age of talent is Iron on top of Iron, zero room for error. This era of talent is full of yong, athletic, tall 6' plus players. Compared to then it was a bunch of part time contractors and plumbers doing it as a hobby. you cant say the sport realy got competitive untile about 2010.

@mitchadam9602

Жыл бұрын

very true

Didnt represent the growth of the disc technology accurately. Climo almost swept the 90's in his prime. The wraith didn't come out until 05' and Ken also bagged a dd2 which is speed 13

McBeth no doubt is 🐐

People forget Paul has elite FH too. Kenny couldn’t even throw them much

It’s obviously gonna be McBeth. It’s like how Jordan was on a different level than those before him. The field is just so much stronger these days.

I'll just say this. Imagine McBeth played in KC's era, with the same work ethic he had. There you have the answer ;)

Dude! If you are going to talk about ratings than you need to understand the system. The skewed the ratings system up after Climo left. Also Climo only had one or two majors a year. Climo would have like 40

Disc technology increasing player skill ceiling is mfg hype since 2008. Nothing since the Destroyer

@joonaskuusisto2767

Жыл бұрын

This is actually a valid point. One could argue that all distance drivers in pro players bags could be replaced with different stabilities of Destroyers. I also have hard time seeing how disc technology has evolved drastically since Destroyer and premium plastic. Maybe Blizzard Champ Boss is an example, lightweight speed 13 disc that can handle torque better than it’s weightclass but that’s it.

If Paul played back then he’d have 20 world titles

Larry Bird.

McGoat for sure

The development of the backhand form and forehand form have also played roles in Paul being better than kenny. Paul was raised in a climate that better understood the game. Paul is the all time GOAT, but Kenny never got a fair chance at playing in our modern era. He would have been a completely different golfer, likely throwing forehands and playing full-time. No matter how good Kenny was, you could never justify that he was better than Paul. Different eras, different lifestyles, different game. Kenny was the GOAT of his era.

This guy's a stat dummy. He goes by stats ,he doesn't understand different eras. He doesn't understand the game . Michael Jordan was the biggest travel ,palming/ carrying basketball player of his time. NBA has changred the game for players like Jordan.

Ken Climo dominated a weak era, simple as that. His only closest threat/rival is Barry Schultz (2X World Champion, with only 1 of that in 2004 beating Climo at Worlds), but that's just 1 threat Climo was put to the test, but for every other player in Climo's era he just beats them with ease, whereas McBeth had to go up against loads of good players in his era, not just 1. That's the only reason why Climo's career statistics in all 4 category are so high in his era, especially his ridiculous 12X World Champion in his name that somehow no other player in Climo's era didn't even come close to 😆, which validates a weak era.

It's Paul, and it's not even remotely close.

McBeast is the 🐐

Paul is the GOAT.

Mcbeth no question is the goat

This is easy. Ken klimo is bill Russell , playing a long time ago against short white dudes. Mcbeth is jordan. Growth of the sport is wild, big names and consumerism rampid . We are waiting on the lebron .of disc golf Gannon basically but he will need to prove it MCBETH IS THE 🐐 no doubt . McBeast , no one will ever shoot -18 at Milford toboggan course ever again

@DarttheLegend

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the Jack Nicklaus/ Tiger Woods analogy. Jack Nicklaus is the GOAT but people think Tiger is because of recency bias, because they saw him play, and this is no different, Climo is on a level no mortal has ever come close to and made no mistakes during his prime years. Paul makes mistakes all the time

McBeast!!!!!

McBeast is the GOAT

If you think Paul is the Goat, than why don't you think Gannon is the goat?

@shitbird9429

Жыл бұрын

He hasn't won enough or proven his longevity yet

P Mc B is the GOAT! Look at how harder these courses are and the amount of amazing players. Sorry Climo...

kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJWKy9SMiJSrlLg.html is pretty much all you need to look at. Things like player rating or number of majors will always be subjective, because they are from two different eras and the sport has changed.

Pointless video. They are both the best of their eras, and we should be thankful for both their contributions to the sport and it's popularity

You nailed that line. He’s indeed the champ but not the goat!