Is Tim Duncan the NBA’s most underrated player?

@kojiattwood

Жыл бұрын

Amazing to think that it was pretty conceivable he could've won 8 rings with a couple of bounces going his way.

@stevenoconnor3037

Жыл бұрын

As a kid growing up watching him, who thought he was a boring player to watch, absolutely! It takes patience to see and appreciate his game.

@Dannyb0y25

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he was underrated. He was just a silent killer. He kept his head down and went straight to work on the court. No trash talk, no flashy moves, no flopping, no crying to official's. The one time my Knicks didn't have to worry about Jordan to reach the finals, Duncan and the Spurs obliterated them but gave them a pitty 1 game win that Allen Houston showed up like Jason Tatum this year playoffs and collapse in the finals.

@harinderrana9735

Жыл бұрын

@@kojiattwood he did get some luck in 03 Dirk got hurt in the Confernence Finals if he's healthy maybe the Mavs win that series, 07 vs The Suns Amare and Diaw got suspended for leaving the bench when Horry hippchecked Steve Nash really affected the outcome of that series.

@T2Runner

Жыл бұрын

Far from underrated. He had a strong cast around him his entire career as well.

Just imagine how much he would be talked about if Duncan played for a franchise like the Lakers, Knicks or Celtics.

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

True, but I'm not so sure he has the same success with those teams. I think he landed in the perfect spot.

@busterandrews

Жыл бұрын

He should be talked about more because almost immediately after he left the San Antonio franchise turned to trash.

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

@@busterandrews Other factors contributed to that Bro. The last two Number one picks the Spurs had was 30 plus yrs ago Duncan & Robinson Parker went 28, Kawhi went 15 And Kawhi really buried that franchise in the end.

@busterandrews

Жыл бұрын

@@Peakfreud I would accept that if I wasn't hearing for YEARS how Kawhi and Tim Duncan were products of the Spurs system. Kawhi did leave, but they had Derozan (a guy who conveniently was an all nba player the year after and the year before joining the Spurs) and Aldridge (a really talented under the radar PF). Popovich couldn't get them to win two games in the 1st rnd when they even made the playoffs. Tim Duncan and (2 a lesser degree) Kawhi were the Spurs system and its not a coincidence that after losing the Goat PF and a top 3 player at the time the Spurs immediately became mediocre.

@michaelsevilla3697

7 ай бұрын

​@@Peakfreudduncan would had still won multiple chips in a big market he would had took pay cuts to get and maintain talent

Thank you Nick Wright, for your incredibly accurate analysis on Tim Duncan. -His scoring numbers are hurt by the fact that his prime came in perhaps the slowest paced era in NBA history, per 36 minutes he averages just 3 fewer points for his career than Wilt does, and his averages rise come playoff time in that department. -He’s one of the greatest rebounders ever. -He’s super underrated as a passer, especially in later years, his passing was a massive part of the Spurs playing what is regarded as the most aesthetically pleasing form of basketball ever in the 2014 season. -I’d say he’s the 3rd greatest defender ever, only behind Russell and Hakeem. Was as smart as anyone, was laterally very quick in his prime to the point that he could guard the perimeter in an increasingly perimeter heavy sport, and his rim protection spearheaded the greatest defensive dynasty ever other than Russell’s Celtics. During Duncan’s prime, from 98-09, the league average DRTG was 105.1. The Spurs in that time? 99.2 DRTG, just south of 6 points better than league average, including 11 seasons with a rDRTG of -4 or better, typically considered the benchmark for a historic defense. Duncan not winning a DPOY is criminal, I’d say he deserved the award in 01, 04, and 07 respectively. -His resume is ridiculous, as Nick pointed out. -As a leader, culture setter, and teammate, he’s arguably the greatest ever. Look at the Spurs before Duncan, a team that could never get over the hump, and since he’s left, they’ve progressively gotten worse and further and further away from the model of the NBA they were for oh so long. He’s got quite the playoff resume as Nick pointed out, and there are legit arguments he could’ve won finals MVP in both 07 and 14, on top of the 3 he already has (although Manu had a case to win in 05 as well). Finally, while Duncan did have very good teammates for a majority of his career, I believe they’ve been overstated with time. He won his first 4 titles without an All NBA player, won the 05 and 07 titles without a “top 75” player, and from 2001-2004, after David Robinson’s prime had ended and before Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker’s primes began, the Spurs led the NBA in wins, Duncan won B2B MVPs and had maybe the greatest playoff run in NBA history in 2003 en route to winning his 2nd championship. You could very easily reverse 3 plays: Derek Fisher’s miracle shot in game 5 of the 2004 WCSF, Manu’s foul on Dirk in game 7 of the 2006 WCSF, and Ray Allen’s shot in game 6 of the 2013 finals, and Duncan could very well have 8 rings and be considered the GOAT right now. Still, I firmly believe he’s one of the 7 greatest players ever and isn’t brought up enough in that conversation because he wasn’t flashy, played in a small market, and was quiet.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Perfect analysis, how any Kobe fan can rebuke this is beyond belief. Only player to win multiple titles without an All-NBA teammate speaks volumes.

@SuperfanK

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't have said it better myself. Duncan was an all time defender and franchise anchor. Every year 50 wins, he won 3 titles in a 5 year span and 4 in 8 years, and the fact that they were a great defensive team virtually every year even with a revolving door of personnel and coaches is a testament to how dominant he was defensively. Have no idea why he doesn't have a DPOY but regardless he's one of the greatest defensive players of the last 50-60 years and the greatest PF ever by a good margin.

@briandriffinjr.7268

Жыл бұрын

It's about time

@michaelsevilla3697

7 ай бұрын

so true well said

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 I like how y’all make excuses for Duncan’s scoring numbers but not Kobe’s when they played in the same era lmao. Duncan is great too, but he’s not better then Kobe. Head to head Kobe was better almost every time

Duncan at 5 is perfect. One of the most consistent stabilizing forces as superstar in history. Steady & unwavering. Was an absolute monster at his peak. That stat about winning 50 games every year is nuts.

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

He's still under appreciated, because he wasn't flashy and controversial. He didn't make a ton of commercials And all the other hype other players get.

@treydub7220

Жыл бұрын

Soo consistent but not dominant. never could go back2back with same core. Kobe went back 2 back with 2 different cores 4 consecutive finals appearances then another 3 consecutive finals appearances without shaq. Kobe should be at least #4 all time Jordan wilt Kobe Abdul-jabarr olajuwan duncan

@SuperfanK

Жыл бұрын

@@treydub7220 anyone who says Duncan wasn't dominant didn't watch him

@howlcittv7434

Жыл бұрын

@@treydub7220 Your basketball card should be taking for this statement period!

@alamid001

Жыл бұрын

and in a western conference that was the stronger conference almost his entire career due to the spurs and lakers, even mavs, suns and kings. I remember the other teams trying to lose games to avoid them in the playoffs.

Lowkey I didn't know his stats were that mind blowing Def not a product of the system he was the system.

Could never forget Popovich’s decision to not have Duncan in the closing moments of game 6.

@travisboyce6212

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! It’s bothered me for nine years.

@Hawkeyes319

10 ай бұрын

I don’t understand it. The Pacers made the same mistake not having hibbert in vs the heat

And there were 2 blocks that went uncounted in that close-out game vs NJ, so he had an official quadruple-double.

As a Heat fan this guy was unstoppable at times with such a non flashy game lol legendary

@michaelsevilla3697

5 ай бұрын

so true 🤣

Tim Duncan was the best of his era!

19 winning seasons and playoffs. Winningest player ever.

Two stats that show TD's all time greatness... 1. By the time Timmy retired, the Spurs had the highest NBA winning percentage of all time! AND... 2. As a franchise, the Spurs had a winning record against all other teams. If you couldn't put Tim Duncan any higher than 5, it is worth noting that none of the other top 4 stars could claim those elite level stats!

@michaelsevilla3697

5 ай бұрын

so true

Duncan in the playoffs was insane.

@sfmsyndicate8-243

Жыл бұрын

No he wasn’t 😂

@Abbad1579

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 🤡🤡

@kushmaster210

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 😂🤣🤡🤡 been telling you Duncan > Kobe

@sfmsyndicate8-243

Жыл бұрын

@@kushmaster210 Kobe over Duncan anyday stop it kobe was way better in the playoffs Kobe consistently put up numbers Duncan can’t Duncan don’t have a better playoff run then 22yrs old 2001 kobe in that’s not even Kobe’s best

@Ultra-BLV

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 03 Duncan is clear

Duncan numbers just sound like 2k. Imagine if he had a market and personality like Kobe

Crazy thing is, If Tim or Kobe weren't in the league at the same time one of them might have 7 rings. Lakers & Spurs cancelled each other out a couple of times.

@jamalfarah2790

Жыл бұрын

They are the 2000s version of bird and magic IMO

@Peakfreud

14 күн бұрын

@@jamalfarah2790 True, Magic definitely gets a minimum 6

As a spurs fan, I’m very happy with Duncan’s ranking. I feel he gets under appreciated and people truly don’t understand just how great this man was. David Robinson getting hurt and the spurs having to tank actually turned out to be a great thing because Timmy fell into their lap as the number 1 pick

As a San Antonian that game 6 still haunts my dream. I was 14 years old and my dad and mom had just divorced two months before. The spurs were my way of dealing with that divorce and when we lost that game 6 it was one of the worst feeling I have ever had in my life

@dorsal-qb5fr

Жыл бұрын

I was right there with you, Hank. I was going though my divorce in 2013 and also couldn't have felt lower when Tim slapped the floor in frustration as the series was slipping away. But that made 2014 that much sweeter! Me and the kids, who were about your age, were all crying and hugging each other.

I ALWAYS had Tim Duncan in my top 5 when it wasn't normal to say so (still don't think it's normal) so it's nice seeing him get some kind of love from "the media" for once

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

He will become a victim of revisionist history, because he wasn't flashy or controversial

Him and Pippen are the best defenders to not win a DPOTY

@nostalgiacorner1999

Жыл бұрын

What? How did Pippen not win a Dpoy 🤦‍♂️

@Denzel.Johnson

Ай бұрын

Kareem too

Huge Spurs fan here, I grew up idolizing this man. This is a bit of a read but I hope it helps people appreciate the kind of player Tim Duncan was. I remember in 2010-2011, the Spurs started the first half of the season on a 70+ win pace. After a couple of seasons of relative mediocrity, I was so hopeful the Spurs would win the championship again. As the season wore on, the Spurs had so many key injuries to the team, and even though they ended up as the No. 1 seed in the West, they got beat up by the 8 seed "grit-n-grind" Grizzles, and I was crushed. The Spurs looked old and slow, beat up and injured. Their play style seemed increasingly stagnant and outdated. I remember thinking, "This is the last best chance we had in the Tim Duncan era." You can imagine how amazing it was to see the Spurs begin a renaissance starting in 2011-2012, after acquiring Kawhi Leonard and with Pop embracing a new playing style. That 2012 Spurs team was not only good, but dominant. They won the last 10 games of the regular season, and the first 10 games of the playoffs. 20 straight games! Even though they eventually lost in the WCF, I knew these Spurs were championship material. To start the 2012-2013 season, Tim Duncan was visibly in the best shape he had been in years, looking slimmer and more agile, sharp and focused. By the end of the season, he made First Team All-NBA, at the age of 37! And if you saw his game, you couldn't help but be in awe of his mastery of the fundamentals, his control of the flow and pace of the game, his basketball IQ, top-notch defense and team play. He was the whole package, that late into his career, routinely making far younger and more athletic big men look silly in the process. In the first half of Game 6 of the NBA Finals, he put up 25 points on 10-12 FG, finishing with 30 PTS and 17 REB. It was a gusty all-time performance for the old man. If not for one shot, he would have had a 4th Finals MVP, beating a peak Lebron James and Miami Heat, all at age 37. He would probably be a place or two up the GOAT conversation. In 2014, maybe he wasn't as dominant, but was no less important. His complete embrace of an egalitarian motion offense, and his willingness to play a high level role for the Spurs, being the best player on the court when he needed to be, was nothing short of amazing. After hitting a clutch basket in OT to close out the OKC Thunder in the WCF, he boldly predicted in his post game interview, "We'll do it this time". He KNEW that this Spurs team was going to bring home the title, and they did, with the most lopsided margin-of-victory in NBA Finals history! If you think of the type of team the Spurs were in 1999 or 2003, compared to how they played in 2014, it was a world of difference. And yet, Tim Duncan was just as key as ever, accepting the evolution of his game and that of the league as a whole, coming out on top at the end. How many all time greats can we say the same thing for? Even in 2015 and 2016, the Spurs were there, competing for the NBA title, even as the reins of the team were being handed to Kawhi Leonard. It's very telling, that even in the last year of Tim Duncan's career, the Spurs won 67 games, a franchise record, with Tim Duncan still being a defensive anchor helping his team achieve new heights. We all know Tim Duncan is an all-time player, and in his peak was an unstoppable force on the court rivaled by few. But for me, it's his consistency after so many years, the dedication to his craft, the trust he had in his coaches and teammates, and the selfless sacrifices he made to elevate himself and those around him, even in the last stages of his career, that sets him apart, and makes him a transcendent once in a lifetime player, in the mold of Bill Russell.

Being a Spurs fan NOW you just can't help but appreciate what a legend this guy was... how he kept the whole thing running. Just a remarkable -- and yes, underrated -- career.

Best player of his generation. Not Shaq.......not Kobe. Definitely top 5 all time. Great video.

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

Not Shaq and that's only bcuz lack of peak productivity but definitely Kobe is better who won with less help out of anybody in the top 10 against the toughest difficulty % of opponents than any other top 10 qualifier

@kharis87

Жыл бұрын

@@terricarter9435 Kobe won with a prime Shaq and was a second option to Shaq for most of it. Kobe has one MVP and 2 Finals MVP. Duncan has 2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Cant be the best player of a generation with one MVP. Duncan is the only one of that generation with 2 and top 3 in MVP voting 7 times. No player in the top 5-7 players have one MVP. Kobe wasnt even the best player for the Lakers until arguably 2003/4. Duncan was the Spurs best player from jump and won MVP in the prime Shaq and Kobe. Kobe won 3 titles with an All NBA player next to him.....Duncan won titles without one. Duncan 2003 finals.....only 2 others averaged double digits and none averaged over 14 ppg. Kobe has only had one great Finals.....and that was against Orlando. Duncan has like 5 great finals out of 6. Duncan played in the same tough era and conference as Kobe and always led his teams.

Amazingly done Nicky can’t lie. I always knew he was a beast, but these box scores are insane, I always have him and Kobe right next to each other on my rankings, never knowing who exactly to put ahead. But most times find myself giving the slight edge to Tim

@supremezx-king5705

Жыл бұрын

Well I'm Kobe fan, so if someone have Duncan ahead of Kobe I don't have a problem with that. They're right beside each for me as well.

Duncan top 5 for sure , best big man I ever saw the complete package and made everyone better too

The only regret of the spurs dynasty is that they never won back to back. Usually most dynasties win back to back but it’s interesting that the spurs didn’t. Although they never won back to back, the longevity in which they won was insane.

@michaelsevilla3697

5 ай бұрын

exactly

This man had the absolute perfect career, 5 rings, one team, no drama, just hard work.

Nick, I like this series breaking down the top players.

If only Chris Webber joined the Spurs in 2000 and/or Jason Kidd in 2004, TD would end up with 6 or 7 rings. Ginobili and Parker were really good but still they did not reach superstar status.

The Spurs and Lakers buzz saw in the 2000’s killed so many great teams. Suns, Mavs, Pistons, Nets were all pretty much destroyed by them

@FortunateKidd

8 ай бұрын

And they had time to destroy each other too! It’s insane

THE GOAT PF!!

I'm glad someone did this take

2013 spurs probably the best shooting team in recent finals history 2003 Tim Duncan best player on the planet

NBA Playoffs All Time Ranking: #1 Blocks #3 Rebounds #6 Scoring #33 Assists #47 Steals Tim Duncan is a monster

Duncan won 4 championships without a teammate making an All-NBA team. No other player has ever done it more than once. The only superstar who delivered multiple times without a star next to him. That alone elevates him above almost anyone. When you then factor in he is top 3 in longevity, top 7 in peak, top 2 in All-NBA teams, 1st in All-Defensive teams, top 4 in titles won as his teams best player, and universally considered one of the best teammates and leaders ever it’s a lock

@sfmsyndicate8-243

Жыл бұрын

Kobe Bryant is the only player in nba history to win a championship back to back without a top 75 great all time

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 Still had Gasol who was All-NBA each season. Duncan won in 05/07 without a top 75 teammate. Using it as an argument is also ridiculous, had we had this discussion 300 days ago it wouldn’t even have been an argument Kobe never got past round 1 unless Shaq, Gasol or Bynum made All-NBA, Duncan won 4 without needing a top 15 teammate

@chasingfelix3609

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 that’s not as impressive as what was just said. Not one All NBA appearance in those titles that were mentioned. Gasol was legitimately a great player at that time even if he was wrongfully snubbed from the list of top 75

@sfmsyndicate8-243

Жыл бұрын

@@chasingfelix3609 gasol wasn’t snubbed he’s just not no top 75 great player of all time he’s never been a mvp candidate not 1 yr and No that’s not impressive duncan had better teams then most all time greats especially Kobe don’t Kobe beat the most 50+ winnning teams ever in the playoffs in it was just from 08-10 nobody has ever done it and he did it without a top 75 great Kobe went to 3 straight finals again in won back to back ships again without a top 75 all time nobody will has ever done it between those yrs 08 Kobe knocked Duncan out the wcf in a 4-1 series without His starting center the whole series and without his starting sf who only miss game 5 the last game kobe shot a higher fg% then him as well 01,08 and lead all series in points assist Kobe 01, 02,04,08 beating Duncan in playoffs lead all series in points in assist Kobe out performed him by wide margins some of these series only series duncan beat Kobe was in 99 and in 03. Kobe was beating Duncan back to back years leading those series

@chasingfelix3609

Жыл бұрын

@@sfmsyndicate8-243 remind what MVP candidate played with Tim Duncan that was a current MVP candidate? Remind me of the top 10 player history that Duncan played with for 60% of his titles.

The best power forward of all time. Shaq was more dominant, but Duncan’s consistency and longevity puts him in a league of his own. I wish his and Hakeem’s careers lined up more because that would have been a rivalry for the ages. The Dream’s transcendent skills vs. Timmy’s unbreakable fundamentals. I’m glad people are showing love to Timmy and Manu as time goes on.

So many Lakers fans being a bunch of clowns in the comment section

@HiNRGboy

Жыл бұрын

yeah I noticed 🤣

My personal all time favorite player even though it really was boring BUT he was a farce multiplier hands down quoting Coach Eric

Best player of his era.

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

That would be Kobe my friend

@miltmoise7917

15 күн бұрын

@@moman36 nope

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

@@miltmoise7917 the 2008 playoff series when they were both in there primes tells me a lot different

@miltmoise7917

15 күн бұрын

@@moman36 you're pointing to one series, I'm looking at an entire body of work.

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

@@miltmoise7917 Okay let’s look at it Kobe 122 40 point games Duncan 5 40 point games Kobe 25 50 point games Duncan 1 50 point game Kobe 6 60 point games Duncan 0 60 point games Head to head Kobe won 4 series, Duncan won 2 Kobe vs spurs averages 28 6 and 5 Duncan vs Lakers 24 and 13 You duncan fans like to say kobe was a “sidekick” but here are is playoff averages in 2001 29 7 6 and he out scored Shaq in every series leading up to the finals such a side kick Duncan however didn’t win finals mvp for two of his rings and let’s look at his numbers in those two playoff runs 07 22 and 12 14 16 and 9 Those numbers aren’t close to the 29 7 and 6 Kobe was putting up so if you ask me duncan was the real sidekick Duncan is great but the fact that spurs fans and the media have actually tried to make it sound like he’s a better player then Kobe is actually crazy. When they were both in there primes late 2000s everybody in the world was debating Kobe or lebron, if Duncan was that great why wasn’t Duncan also in that convo? I’ll tell you why cause he wasn’t considered better then them two! It’s revisionist history to go back now and act like Duncan was better when we never were saying he was better then Kobe when they were acting playing one other. Kobe > Duncan and it’s no slight on Duncan I have him too 7 all time, but he’s not better then Kobe

He has a real argument against Magic he cud be 4 realistically

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

Problem is the people who make these list an arguments , value the person who has the ball in their hands more and facilitators. Even though some offenses run through big men in the post.

I would argue Tim is top 3. Regular season, playoffs, finals, he always performed, and always won. My main reasons for putting him above Kareem and Magic are: 1. Kareem and Magic had each other, and also James worthy. Tim had good teammates but he never had a stacked roster like those Lakers were. 2. Tim played in a tougher era. Sorry for all the guys who love the older eras but the league was simply not as developed. Similar to why this list only covers the last 50 years. When Kareem entered the league there were 14 teams, and the skills were no where near what they are today.

@seanewing9647

Жыл бұрын

Valid points but Kareem is just a better player than Tim, eye test wise and magic is magic. Tim over Kobe for me is kinda tough but tim is all time all time. Don’t forget; tony, manu, kawhi and Robinson are all hall of famers.

@matthasahand5495

Жыл бұрын

@@seanewing9647 your explanations are top tier man. 'Kareem is just a better player' 'Magic is magic' 👌😂

@seanewing9647

Жыл бұрын

@@matthasahand5495 how about 7 foot 2 with the most unstoppable shot ever. 6 league mvps to Duncan 2. More points rebounds. The fact You wanted me to that explain is embarrassing. Magic Johnson is the greatest pg of all time. He revolutionized the position

@DecemberSkyfire

Ай бұрын

@@seanewing9647 Don't forget Parker, Ginobili and Poopovich don't sniff the hall of fame without coattailing Duncan's legacy. Leonard would make it regardless, as would Robinson. But neither of those players were hall of fame caliber while teammates of Tim Duncan, outside of maybe Leonard's final season in the league.

Duncan the goat pretty simple

only this time i agree with you.

Whats crazy is that now I'm certain Nick barely knew anything about the history of the game when he first started first things first. I can tell that after actually doing research he realizes Jordan is the GOAT. He doesn't hate on him nearly as much. He just can't change his stance after all these years.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

You’re basing that on what?

11:00 Notice how Nick talks about age referencing players like Durant but never mentions that Lebron 😂😂😂

The big fundamental

I knew Michelle was gonna come as the caller but it would've been gold if Skip was the one lol and he pounded on the table and get all PTSD for game 6 2012 LMFAO

whoa Timmy D top 5?

So is anyone gonna talk about all those shoes?😳

Tim Duncan OWEND your boy Labron James too!!!!

@juanio7036

Жыл бұрын

Lebron lucky he was in the east

LEBRON is the GOAT. All-Time scoring record. Only player in 30K-10K-10K. Beat better teams in the Finals. Won for 3 different team. Won rings in different decades. 8-Straight Conference Champs. Most All-NBA selection. Most All-Star selection.

Good spot but i have him above Magic

Never fails, fans always have 10 players in their Top 5 And 15 in their Top ten. And who's ever ranking video or highlight reel it is, always gets pushed up two or three rankings.

My second favorite player ever

David Robinson and Malik Rose and every Spur with shoulders helped hold Shaq to 24 a game in 99. That was not Duncan's assignment

@RafaelGarcia-jb3me

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely wrong.

@alecsanderhamilton9224

Жыл бұрын

@@RafaelGarcia-jb3me nope

Ben Wallace held Duncan to only average 20 in his prime, curious to know what that percentage is

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Duncan was doubled virtually every touch by both Wallace’s, the fact he averaged 20 in the slowest series ever is admirable

@michaelsevilla3697

5 ай бұрын

stop trying to disrespect duncan 🤡 smh ✌️

@michaelsevilla3697

5 ай бұрын

​@@hardwoodthought1213exactly thanks for pointing that out

@moonpieism

Ай бұрын

That was the most brutal defensive series ever

@DecemberSkyfire

Ай бұрын

What casuals don't seem to remember about this series is that Duncan had not one, but TWO severely sprained ankles during this playoff run and was one of the most courageous performances in history, all things considered.

Possibly

TD over Kobe 💪🏽 I love it

Spurs did not win before Duncan or after Duncan. It was not the system, he was the system

If you’re talking “play” how’s he not number 1 in all gods honesty. Play means production on a basketball court that leads to wins. 19 years of wins. And even in the last 5 years of his career he’s essentially 18 & 10. Go deep into the stats. Guy only has 15 goal tends lmaoo he’s the greatest defender ever and it ain’t close.

@DecemberSkyfire

Ай бұрын

The crazy thing is that he put up those numbers while only getting #1 option touches for maybe 5-6 years of his career. After that the ball was either spread around evenly or he was an afterthought and STILL put up those numbers. If Tim were like Kobe(selfish/horrible teammate), he could have easily averaged 35, 15 and 7-8 assists a game in prime.

I have kobe over him, but they’re pretty close

1. Jordan 2. LeBron 3.Shaq 4. Magic 5. Timmy

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

Shaq didn’t have a better career then Kobe or Duncan. Longevity matters

@Boss3Nate

15 күн бұрын

@@moman36 in your opinion and that’s great!

Duncan played better in playoffs

It's a shame we disrespect the old timers. Ppl now just do in last 50 years. Watch. 100 from now they're gonna do the same to us

He played to win the game!!.. HELLO!!...HE PLAYED TO WIN THE GAME

kobe bryant 33k career points…duncan 26k

@connormacleod1490

Жыл бұрын

Kobe has also the most FG misses in NBA history with 44% FGP. What a ball hog he was.

Funny Duncan’s video is 10 min shorter than Kobe’s but Nick say Duncan got the better resume. Interesting

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

He does. One more finals mvp and one more regular season mvp. 15 defensive team awards. I honestly don't see how you can say Kobe is better unless you just think taking pretty fadeaway jump shots equals better.

@J.D.M2.1

Жыл бұрын

The video was longer because Kobe fans are rabid and he has to explain, explain, explain. No one argues Tim Duncan

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

@@J.D.M2.1 naw nick wright is and has always been a certified Kobe hater surprised he had him as high as 6

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

@@jetsettech8804 finals mvps are overated when you have 2 supernova talents on the same team shaq and Kobe who dominated the playoffs just a much as shaq shaq just got feast more against weaker east opponents in the finals that's saying magic way better than kareem for winning finals mvp when folks still put kareem ahead of him I wish people stop using this lame argument

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

@@terricarter9435 it's not a lame argument, you just don't like it because it doesn't support your favorite player. Shaq and Kobe did not equally dominate. Stop having revisionist history. Shaq was clearly without a doubt, the best player on those Laker teams and it's not a debate. You try to disregard something when it doesn't support someone you like. At that point in Magic's career he was better than Kareem, but not the totality of it. You know what context is. Use it.

9:13 Tony demolished the Cavs that series, I'm OK with it.

Everybody swept Shaq in the playoffs at least once.

Timmy is absolutely deserving of a spot right near the top. As an individual player, I would personally take Hakeem over Duncan. *BUT*, Duncan did objectively have the better career. (Even if I do believe that was almost entirely due to circumstance.)

@pbnaj

Жыл бұрын

It's true I would take Hakim over Timmy too which goes to show you how powerful the Jordan years were

Kobe.

Im a spurs fan and i watched prime shaq demolished us, nick. Above everybody else got no problem with that, but i cant put timmy above shaq. I just cant😂 One of the greatest leader in basketball #21

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

You know Duncan clearly outplayed Shaq in 99, 02, 03. Shaq outplayed Duncan in 04 and in 01 it was a tie. Shaq never demolished SA or a Duncan

@tupacisme

Жыл бұрын

If you wanna argue based on statistics like nick did i get it and a win for me too as as a spurs fan, but those stats wont tell you the whole stories. How the game plans and how teams, us included, approached shaq in those playoffs series. Im a spurs' fan cause of timmy but im gonna be fair too. He didnt took care of his body but prime shaq was just ridiculous. Never a fair fight to compare big with shaq.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@tupacisme No doubt, and that’s why I hate the Kobe stans who claim he was better than Shaq because vs SA he usually had better stats. That completely ignores that Shaq was getting 80% of the defensive focus, leaving Kobe 1v1 But that same context goes to Duncan. From 99-06 he didn’t have a single teammate who could consistently create their own offence. Shaq had Kobe who could. The context also ignores that Duncan was doubled about 70% of the time whilst playing all time defence whilst Shaq was guarding mediocrity at the C spot v SA I think it’s clear head to head Duncan was better and more impactful

Duncan is often overlooked, but like I said in the Kobe vid: Kobe> Duncan 1)Duncan is an all time great defender for his position and Kobe is an all time great defender for his position but Kobe is miles ahead of Duncan offensively. Despite Kobe demanding more defensive coverage/attention, and shooting almost 50% more than Duncan they have almost identical career TS%…. Kobe also was a higher usage player but has a lower career Turnover% 2) When u compare them in the same era Kobe was more dominated. In the 00’s Kobe went to 7 Finals (5-2) on 2 completely different rosters while also having a complete rebuild in the middle. Kobe 4-1 All time when they met in their primes in the playoffs w/ Kobe almost always torching the Spurs as the best player in the series 3) While both were actually playing in 00’s and early 10’s majority of people had Kobe>Duncan…. I don’t get how that changes years later when both haven’t played another game

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Kobe isn’t close to Duncan defensively. Everyone knows Kobe got 3 of his selections off of reputation and lazy voting. And Duncan in his prime (98-06) commanded double teams to e majority of the time, something Kobe never experienced until Shaq left

@isaacsmith3901

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 Sure Kobe got selections off rep LATER in his career, but that still doesn’t take away from how good he was in earlier years and the fact that he’s one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time. Plus for him to get a few off rep he obv had to be elite at some point…btw Kobe got those selections when coaches voted so it wasn’t just selections from random fans. Also neva claimed rather or not if Kobe was close to Duncan defensively. I said both were all time great defenders for their position while Kobe is miles ahead of Duncan offensively.

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 saying Kobe didn’t get double teamed until Shaq left might be the most cap basketball argument I’ve ever heard. You realize kobe was better then shaq by 03

@hardwoodthought1213

15 күн бұрын

@@moman36 A double doesn’t mean a couple times a game when he collapsed the defence on a drive to the rim. When Kobe played with Shaq, no team commuted to a game plan of double Kobe and move the ball elsewhere. They did that with Shaq all the time, and Duncan a large amount of the time from 99-06. And Kobe was better by 03, hence why from 03 they stopped winning.

@moman36

15 күн бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 they stopped winning yet they went to 4 more finals and won 2 more rings. Got it that makes so much sense 😂

Duncan should be even higher Based on what are Magic and Kareem better?

@pinbarbecue1100

Жыл бұрын

Noo

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

Well Kareem is the all time leading scorer. That has to count for something I guess

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is better than the person getting their own KZread tribute, or highlight reel . These same comments get repeated On the others rankings as well

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly why people have 15 players on their top 10 list

He is either 3 or 4

What Kobe did to Duncan alone in 01 and 08 should be enough to be Kobe > Duncan. But I’ll list off the reasons anyway - Duncan is a better defender then kobe but only slightly, kobe is a so far ahead of Duncan offensively it’s not even close - Duncan never had to carry a team the way kobe did in 06 and 07 when he was playing with literally a bunch of overseas and g league players - kobe hasn’t had the playoffs lows in the middle of his prime the way Duncan did in 01 when he had a 9 point point game 3 on 3/14 shooting and got swept - Duncan never won back to back yet kobe won 3 and then went back to back again - casual will say kobe had Shaq, laziest argument in sports. But what happened in 08 when there was no shaq, Duncan had the better supporting cast and the lakers beat them in 5 games and kobe pretty much demolished them especially in the final game 5?

@TrueAvid

9 күн бұрын

Duncan > Kobe

@moman36

8 күн бұрын

@@TrueAvid good argument bro

You gotta be pretty ignorant of sports to ever subscribe to this guy's channel.😅

And yet it still seems short of where he yruly belongs on the list

I love Duncan , but we have to provide context as to why there was a low in Kobe‘s career post shaq pre-pau Tell me when a player of the caliber of smush Parker was Tim Duncan‘s 2nd best player.

@DecemberSkyfire

Ай бұрын

2003, when Tim Duncan won an NBA championship. Next.

Duncan had a argument over Kareem

Let’s talk more about how he never repeated and that 2008 series some more

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

1 series Kobe beat Duncan in without Shaq. Duncan beat Kobe and Shaq twice with minimal help and would have smoked Kobe in 2013 had Bryant not been injured

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

Why do these arguments always center around elements beyond or out of a players control? And why does one player have too be diminished in order to promote the next? Kobe & Tim played almost a combined 40yrs To eliminate 40yrs worth of nuance down to petty comparisons doesn't make much sense.

@koolkai4299

Жыл бұрын

​@@hardwoodthought1213 Why didn't Duncan ever defend his title and repeat? Answer that statement directly.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@koolkai4299 Because during his peak years he never had an All-NBA teammate. Winning multiple in a row at a minimum requires that. He did however win 3 in 5 seasons without an All-NBA teammate and made 2 deep playoff runs inbetween that were ended in individual plays. Why did Kobe never even won a playoff series unless Shaq or Gasol made All-NBA in that season. Answer that question directly

@connormacleod1490

Жыл бұрын

@@koolkai4299 Duncan never had a superstar teammate to help him while Kobe was always got carried by Shaq and Pao.

Duncan>Kobe

He is underate because he is better than Lebron but not better than Kobe Bryant period

I don’t think anything you said in this video justifies Duncan being better then Kobe it seems very biased of you

he rode the bench and hung around like a washed up soap star….sorry not ahead of kobe

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Duncan made All-NBA first team at 38, the oldest player ever. What you smoking? Dude was still competitive until the day he retired whilst Kobe was winning 20 games and having retirement tours Also Duncan was 3rd in MVP voting as a rookie, whilst Kobe was riding the bench….. See how it goes both ways?

@nostalgiacorner1999

Жыл бұрын

Kobe WAS a washed up soap star from 2013-2016 😂

You put lebron at #2 and hes got the worst finals record out of everyone in the top 10. He had to leave his franchise to chase a ring with a super team. How you respect that??

@axelfoley6703

Жыл бұрын

Lebron is 4-6 in the finals. For arguments sake, lets say those 6 times he lost in the finals, he instead lost in the conference finals. Then his record would be 4-0. Based on your argument, his legacy would be better by not winning more games. Where is the sense in that? That's completely nonsensical. No different from ppl in the 60s hating on jerry west for losing 8 finals.

@jaylock9twenty5

Жыл бұрын

And then he came back to that franchise and won a ring against a 73 win team

@Lilbuck338

Жыл бұрын

@@jaylock9twenty5 and got swept the following year back to back. He left to LA and recruited AD.

@Lilbuck338

Жыл бұрын

@@axelfoley6703 you don’t see jerry west in the top 5. If Jordan magic Kobe did what lebrons been doing which is stack a team (buying championships) they would have 10 rings each. Nick wright already said he doesn’t like Kobe and he’s not a fan of Michael Jordan. He’s a nerd with a platform he doesn’t know anything about basketball. I would pay a million to watch Nick shoot a basketball. 🤦‍♂️

Better than LeBron.

Tim Duncan never once defended any of his titles.

@jwordxyz

Жыл бұрын

your point is???

Kobe came out of Highschool Duncan did not that's why I got Kobe over Timmy and kobe defense is just as elite as Timmy's and that's overlooked a lot remember the greatest defensive point guard of all-time in Gary Payton taught Kobe how to play defense as well but it's very close though

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Kobe took 5 seasons to become even an All-NBA 1st team guard, whilst scouts were saying Duncan would have been the number 1 pick in his 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons of college. Duncan also didn’t even start basketball until 14, Kobe came from a basketball family. He was always going to be better younger

@pacedeli24

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 Some good basketball points but Kobe has a 3 peat and he has been to 3 consecutive finals and he has repeated as champion as well without shaq Duncan never repeated or went back to back and don't you dare say that he didn't have a team because Tim Duncan had a squad and arguably the greatest coach to ever coach in the sport in Gregg Popovich and he had the best GM behind them in RC Buford putting teams together and they never repeated and they never went back to back that's a testament to the greatness of Kobe as a high schooler that came into a growns mans league

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@pacedeli24 That wasn’t the argument tho. But if it is, only Kobe fans obsess with this idea of flash in a pan greatness than sustained excellence. Duncan won 3 in 5 seasons, and in the seasons between made 2 deep playoff runs that ended on singular plays (0.4 Fisher shot and Manu foul on Dirk). Duncan is also the only player to win a title in 3 decades, something Kobe didn’t do. Back to back and 3 peats serve nothing past allowing casuals to believe they’re making some valid point. Most true NBA fans and analyst considered SA a dynasty, just not one that peaked insanely high then faltered, but one that never plummeted and consistently competed. Duncan didn’t have a single All-NBA teammate in 01/02/03/04/05/06/07, yet in that time still won 3 tiles. Didn’t even have an All-Star in 02/03/04 and made deep runs. On the flip side unless Shaq, Gasol or Bynum made All-NBA Kobe never even won a playoff series. As for Pop, and SA as a whole, they’ve achieved what without Duncan? Pop is literally 13 games over .500 without Tim and is now tanking again. Jackson has 6 without Kobe and just 4 years after Kobe retired LA won another title. Duncan >>>>> Kobe and it isn’t close

@pacedeli24

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 Great basketball points again but your ignoring the historical value of Kobe playoff achievements like in 2001 when they went 15 and 1 in the postseason the only two other teams that have done that in the entire history of the game are the 1983 76ers and the 2017 Golden State Warriors that's it Duncan has never done that plus the 3 peat is significant it's a rare Championship historical sighting in any sport to be able to get a three-peat you talk as if championship teams do that on the regular it's not easy so please stop down playing that plus everybody was saying that Kobe Bryant couldn't win without Shaq and he has done so he went to three straight finals and went back-to-back now you trying to say that Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol is on the level of a shaq okay Andrew Bynum and Pau are not even in the top 100 best players ever and Kobe still won Duncan is great I just think Kobe is tick better And I want to furthermore say that Kobe is a better Olympian than Tim Duncan and also you talk about how Tim Duncan won championships in three different decades touche I give you that but Kobe never had to win in three different decades because he was just that great plus Kobe is in the top five of scoring in the League's history this basketball argument is filled with intelligence because you are an opponent that does have some basketball knowledge I will give you that but I think our argument is more what do we value more when it comes to the basketball achievements between Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan but for you to say that Tim Duncan's greatness far super exceed Kobe Bryant is disrespectful to the legacy of Kobe Bryant and for the game totally out of basketball pocket at best you can argue that Tim Duncan could be better you can't say definitively he is

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@pacedeli24 You are right, you seem to be one of the few objective Kobe fans 😂 Will agree to disagree. I understand the value you place on Kobes ability to exceed over short spans over the rest. I just happen to think Duncan doing it over a greater timeframe is more impressive. Was wrong saying it’s a clear victory, but I’ll always have Duncan over Kobe as you will the opposite. No shame in that

Kobe with a comparable teammate has KILLED Duncan and Pop's Spurs in the playoffs everytime, IN HIS PRIME. 18-12 record. And once was a sweep when he wasn't even an adult yet. after he became an adult and a starter, 18-8 against Timmy. He averaged 27+ ppg on 47%+fg. Lebron 25ppg on 45%fg. He's only 5-11 in the playoffs against Duncan and the Spurs and TWICE wayy AFTER his prime. If Lebron couldn't beat what Kobe could destroy on a regular basis. In my book I don't understand how he isnt better than Lebron and for sure Duncan. He has the most consistent coach, teammate, staff, and front office in NBA history for 2 decades with no major injuries. And he never got a back to back. Kobe is in my top 4, and I got Lebron and Duncan lower next to each other. What Kobe was able to do, go to THREE STRAIGHT Finals in the loaded west WITHOUT a top 75 player is wayy more impressive than what Lebron or Duncan did to me with a Big 3 or other Top 75 Players. Super underrated.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Comparable teammate? What you been smoking? On what planet was peak Shaq comparable to any teammate or even 2 teammates Duncan ever had? Kobe has 1 playoff series win over Duncan as his teams main guy No major injuries? You’re making this up, Duncan had a career altering injury in 2000 that made him change his style of play and after 09 played basically with no knees. Kobe won 2 without a top 75 teammate, the exact same thing Duncan did in 05 and 07

4:10 notice how he gives detailed context about what derailed the spurs chances of winning when Duncan got hurt in the end of the 1999-00 but when it comes to Kobe , he says he knocks him due to the gap inbetween when Shaq left and doesn’t give any context at all why he missed the 04/05 playoffs .. doesn’t mention Kobe’s ankle injury they caused him miss 1+ month, head coach resigns during Kobe’s rehab from the injury and Odom gets injured and his required to have season ending surgery . This guy clearly deep down inside has some sort of amnesty towards kobe and it’s sad

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

Exactly been saying this for years tru nba fans no Duncan although under appreciated is not better than Kobe

@AllLocksNoCap

Жыл бұрын

@@terricarter9435 facts

Kind of a meh scorer

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Won a title in 2003 averaging 11 more PPG than his next best scorer, but okay then

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

You mean he wasn't flashy?

@twizms

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 averaged 19ppg for his career. Kinda low for top 5.

@twizms

Жыл бұрын

@@jetsettech8804 that too but he only averaged 19ppg for his career. Kinda low for top 5.

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@twizms Yes, because for his last 8 seasons he deferred the scoring to others. Using career PPG as your measure is suspect to begin with. He was a career 19 PPG scorer but his peak seasons (99-06) he was averaging 25+ in the playoffs. You also need to factor in he played in the slowest era, on the slowest team. Despite that ‘low’ average, he was the best scorer on 3 title teams, which is more than Kobe, and was arguably the best defender of the last 25 years, his teams best passer, and one of the best leaders and teammates ever

I love Duncan who is under appreciated but never in a million years will u get me to believe he's better than Kobe who played with less HOF talent than anybody in the top 10 especially not from Kobe hater Nick Wright🤷‍♂️

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Kobe played with another top 10 player at his peak. Duncan’s best teammates historically were past their prime (Robinson) or before their prime (Kawhi). His 2 best prime teammates weren’t too 75 players and made 5 All-NBA teams combined in 33 seasons. Kobe had far more help

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 Ginobili Parker kawhi were not past their primes and Robinson was still a force in his later years and whether it was kobes peak or not u missed where I said out of his whole career he only won with 1 top 75 player dud u forget he also went to 3 more straight finals without shaq???

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@terricarter9435 When did I say Manu, Parker or Kawhi were ‘past their primes’? Learn to read dummy. I said Robinson was past his prime and Kawhi was before his prime. Kawhi didn’t even make an All-Star team until Duncan’s finals season but now 2013/14 was ‘prime Kawhi’ I said Manu and Parker were his best prime teammates, both of whom weren’t top 75 and combined for 5 All-NBA teams in 33 seasons, Gasol alone made 4 in 7 seasons with Kobe, Shaq made 8 in 8, Howard made 1 in 1 Robinson in 03 won a title averaging 7 points and 5 rebounds, now he was a force 😂 Duncan clearly had less help. If you’re really going down the route of naming names Kobe had top 75 teammates in Shaq, Nash, Payton, Malone, Duncan had Kawhi and Robinson

@kamonie3331

Жыл бұрын

You are delusional if you think Duncan had more help than Kobe. Shaq is a top 10 player all time and was better than Kobe for three of Kobe's championships ...

@terricarter9435

Жыл бұрын

@@kamonie3331 no your delusional bcuz yall keep bringing up just shaq who wasn't even apart of kobes 2nd 3 straight trips to the finals or don't talk about how much hof help Duncan had collectively with Parker Ginobili kawhi Robinson including top notch role player help its the same bs Bron fans spew without bringing wade bosh love irving etc

Easily durant most underated..went head to head with lebron beat lebron team undefeated in playoffs. Took westbrook to finals...

@farrellcityking1

Жыл бұрын

Wrong! He went head to head with Lebron and lost… when he was part of a team that was his. When he became part of the already winningest regular season team of alltime (73-9) is when he beat Lebron. Context matter here. KD or The Warriors weren’t beating a healthy Lebron James lead team… even Draymond has admitted that. They needed him and he needed them to get past a healthy Lebron lead Cavs team.

@xavierb9061

Жыл бұрын

@@farrellcityking1 35 in finals..at lebron position...u proving my point

@xavierb9061

Жыл бұрын

Kyrie outscored steph..cavs were undefeated

@Nostalgia9478

Жыл бұрын

Is that you, LeSkippy Bayless???

if u look at it very carefully kobe is greater than duncan and kobe have 4-2 in the playoffs playoff head to head thats matters when u compare 2 great players regular season doesnt matter because even ben simmons can play great in regular season and vanish in the playoffs playoffs is the money

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

For 3 of Kobes 4 wins he had peak or prime Shaq as his running mate whilst Duncan had a 36/39 year old Robinson or a 19/21 year old Tony Parker. With that Duncan still beat Kobe and Shaq twice.

@kelseyreganit8383

Жыл бұрын

that argument is invalid because on 2007 they are the champs and kobe destroyed them manu parker and duncan have no idea how to stop kobe gregg pop shaking his head on that series stop making invalid reason duncan and spurs have a problem defending kobe young kobe and 2008 kobe every time they face n the playoffs

@twizms

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 stop pretending like Duncan didn't have good teams lol

@kirkyearwood4350

Жыл бұрын

@@kelseyreganit8383 Kobe is the most overrated superstar in NBA history, well him or Rus. He was a volume shooter with a larger than life personality who played for the Lakers. He was Robin for his first three titles and was horribly inefficient. Duncan has more MVPs, finals MVPs, was the better defensive player and had the same amount of rings without playing with Shaq. Duncan was the better, more efficient player and much better teammate. It's just that he was quiet, played in SA and wasn't an attention seeker. Time deserves his spot..

@kelseyreganit8383

Жыл бұрын

@kirk that overrated narrative is just not true at all if that overrated player is destroying one of the most consistent team spurs team in particular that narrative is not true because if that player is overrated destroying the spurs team the spurs should be overrated aswell! but kobe is great not overrated the spurs are great not overrated so stop believing in overrated narrative that not true

I had fun roasting all of you Duncan fans, I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings to bad though

Great player. Slightly overrated. No shot I would have him over magic, bird, kobe or Shaq.

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

You would if you were trying too make a Hot take ...on social media.

@koolkai4299

Жыл бұрын

@@Peakfreud Who are you?

@Peakfreud

Жыл бұрын

@@koolkai4299 Someone you want attention from.

Kobe was a better player, was widely considered as the best player in the world in the 2000s, Tim Duncan can’t say that.

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

Kobe may have been the best player for ONE year and that's pushing it.

@kingexclusivo

Жыл бұрын

@@jetsettech8804 from 2005 to 2011 he was the best player in the world…

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

@@kingexclusivo 2005 to 2011? No? Just no

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@kingexclusivo What about 98-05, Kobe and Duncan played all those seasons, who was better then? Hint: the guy who was 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd in MVP voting from 01-04, the dude who won a title in 03 without even an All-Star teammate, and the dude who made 8 straight All-NBA and All-Defensive first teams, not the guy who was his own teams second best player

@kingexclusivo

Жыл бұрын

@@hardwoodthought1213 Kobe came out of high school and Duncan played 4 years of college. Of course he will have been better in his first few years.

OVERRATED Duncan =7th to 10th all time

@kingexclusivo

Жыл бұрын

facts, Kobe was better

@jetsettech8804

Жыл бұрын

@@kingexclusivo not facts. Kobe wasn't as good. If Tim Duncan is 7th to 10th then Kobe is 8th to 11th. Duncan will always be one better than Kobe. One more finals mvp and one more regular season mvp

@kirkyearwood4350

Жыл бұрын

@@kingexclusivo how? On what metric. MVPs , finals MVPs, all defensive teams, scoring efficiency? Where and how? Basketball isn't about personality, where u played or how popular or flashy you are. Seriously dude

@connormacleod1490

Жыл бұрын

Kobe and Giannis are trash compared to TD.

@juyahmad

Жыл бұрын

Stop talking casual

so you would pick Tim Duncan over Hakeem? 🤔

@Wesley771000

5 ай бұрын

That's a no brainer. Timmy all the way.

@DecemberSkyfire

Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ, Hakeem is REALLY overrated in some circles.

Tim Duncan was a 22 year old rookie