Many people who do welding videos skip to show how to fuse weld. That was helpful. Now I know what machine I need.

Welding new sheet metal to 50 year old sheet metal can be tricky. The air hose is a must to help against warping but also helps cool the metal and less likely to blow holes through. This guy knows what he’s doing.

Tom, as a (sort of) pro body chap myself, yours is about the only channel I enjoy watching. No bull, no music, just straight to it by someone who really knows how to do the business. One comment on the whole MIG / TIG thing. I put my metal out bare, so there's absolutely nowhere to hide. I also charge by the hour, so my work has to be as close to invisible in bare metal as possible and very efficient. I settled on MIG as even with grinding it's fast, minimal distortion and looks really good. I tack every inch spending plenty of time making sure both metals are exactly level. Then infill the tacks to 1/2 in. After that I do full 1/2in runs, starting on top of one tack, running upto the next. Penetration is good and it's efficient. Quick grind to just above surrounding area, linish and move on. Good comment on not having corners on your repairs. I always think it's the most visual way of seeing if someone is doing quality repairs: if you see hard corners where there could have been a radius, you know it'll never be a top drawer job. Well done on your channel: excellent stuff!

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to write all that. That’s an interesting way you have developed them and I shell try it out of curiosity to see what it’s 👍 cheers for the nice comment. I’m hoping put enough information in the videos to help others wanting to learn. When I’m at work we get given set hours and have to make it as good as possible for the paint shop so I have to choose whatever method suits best at the time. Many thanks Tom 👍

@jacquespoirier9071

Жыл бұрын

I do exactly the same thing with 2 small differences, the first one is that I cut my wire before every restart, this permits the elimination of the small bubble that forms at the end of the wire so I can set my heat a bit lower, second, before doing my final filling, I grind my tacks flush so the restart asks for less heat.

@danmarley2926

Жыл бұрын

Where are you located?

@rusty911s2

Жыл бұрын

@@danmarley2926 Me? Southeast of England.

@danmarley2926

Жыл бұрын

@@rusty911s2 Oh okay. That's great to hear. I thought you were in the states. I needed work done and was going to ask you for help lol.

Really enjoyed the “real application” demo start to finish, side by side. It just couldn’t have been done any better for educational purposes. Well done.

@Metal_shaper_tom

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

Amazing job showcasing the differences in a clear and concise easy digestible manner. And might I add, great work as well for showcasing on the fly. I always seem to forget the difference between the two.

Nice work Brian. Your diagnosis on the filler rod was spot on. A thick filler rod cools the puddle more as it flows in… so a thinner rod helps in those situations

High quality video and sound, great demonstration, straight forward, no BS, and very professional presentation. Thanks. I learned a lot. Cheers from an Aussie.

@Metal_shaper_tom

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Aussie rob 👍

Bloody brilliant video. I’m in two minds now, thanks for that! I’ve done countless hours of grinding mic welds on panels. Thanks heaps for all your efforts, they are muchly appreciated! 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀😎

Learned a lot,I have skills but it's the technic ,the approach.Retired hobby guy.Thanks

The TIG side may have looked better with a little more material being introduced from a rod instead of just melting both sides together. Either way this is an incredible demonstration of the differences between these two types of welding. Thank you for taking the time to produce such a well made video.

Thanks for the video, excellent use of comparison between two welding methodologies. The elephant in the room for me is the fabrication of the small replacement piece, I guess that's a video for another day.

Air line to cool it down is a very good method. Thank you for sharing.

It's time for me to learn how to TIG. Thanks for the video. I appreciate you taking the time to show the differences.

Excellent comparison showing the results that can be achieved with both welding processes. 👍👍

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

I tell anyone who will listen that flux-core welds bodywork best - everyone rolls their eyes. If i wanted a pin-hole free smooth weld with least distortion possible, I'd grab my flux-core every time (I have fancy Migs & nice Tigs). I can weld so "cold" with 0.6mm flux core wire, still getting absolutely full penetration, it gives next to no distortion. The arc-on time is miniscule, fractions of a second, the weld produced is far softer than Mig - the filler material is softer - softer is good plus "0.6mm Flux core" wire is really 0.3mm wire - the other 0.3mm is flux. 0.3mm can weld ANYTHING without blowing holes. . Grinding welds becomes far easier. Much. Another benefit (there are loads) is accuracy - you don't have a gas-shroud hiding where the wire is hitting - so you can be utterly precise. The HUGE plus is cost. I weld car bodywork ALL day EVERY day - 7 days a week. If I can have a machine in hand that does everything I want, joins everything I want, doesn't annoy me in any way - but that costs absolute peanuts to run compared to every other process - that's my "go-to" right there. I now run a synergic flux-core - I hit 1 button, its ready to weld - I don't need 16 amp power, it will very happily run off 13amp (I have 16amp). It makes no noise (Lol - welders will know). I don't need gas. I don't need tungstens. Or shrouds. Or regulators - or any of the stuff pro welders will know ain't cheap when used daily. I chuck on a roll of wire, hit 1 button & I can - with absolute confidence - weld anything that comes into the workshop. I've been welding commercially for 35 years - I am a B.S free zone when it comes to welding. Our "Cost" has fallen through the floor since we changed to flux-core. Electricity bill is far lower(far). Consumables bill is miniscule - negligible. Money tied up in "equipment" is peanuts. Our gas bill used be insane - we were constantly going for cylinders at 100+ a pop. No more.,.. I wish someone had educated me years ago - I'd have saved countless thousands. I shudder to think how much money I wasted on shield-gas over the years through not knowing how to run flux-core properly. I now have 20 or 30 rolls of wire on the shelf, about a dozen tips of each size & nothing else. 1 gas cylinder would tie up more money than our entire welding stock right now - we used have cylinders lined up ready to go. More fools us.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Wow 😯 that’s really interesting James. What you say makes for interesting reading! And something I’ve never tried on bodywork.I’ve had terrible experiences with flux core but that was probably down the the cheap Clark mig? This is something that I will have to try and give another go. Thanks for taking the time to explain the process 👍

@scottmack9066

Жыл бұрын

Isn't flux corrosive?

@jonathanyates5198

Жыл бұрын

​@scott mack If you don't remove the Flux after the weld. Wire brush takes it off in seconds

@paulcohen142

Жыл бұрын

As someone who is genuinely curious, any chance of you making a video and showing us?

@kawataufik5098

10 ай бұрын

What is flux -core just need gaz and mig welding you prefer I am beginner

This demonstration was very enjoyable to view. The comparison is made easy by your effort. Thank you.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

I like the demo of how to clean “dress”. Other channels seem to just show the welds on comparison. Great job.

@Metal_shaper_tom

11 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

Thanks for sharing Tom 👍

I am more of a gap guy! I do tell any helpers I have, that there's plenty who use little to no gap, and have great results. I only started TIG welding a few years ago, and mostly use it welding door edges back together. It's amazing being able to fuse parts together with a little heat! Really good comparison vid. ✌️

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

@MrSticks9999

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a little gaps makes the bead flatter.

@kawataufik5098

10 ай бұрын

@@MrSticks9999you mean leave gap better?

@MrSticks9999

10 ай бұрын

@@kawataufik5098 You need some gap for the puddle to sink rather than lay all on top.

@MrSticks9999

10 ай бұрын

@@kawataufik5098 More gap more chance for the puddle to sink lower.

An excellent demonstration Tom. Very easy to follow and to understand. Great video!

@Metal_shaper_tom

11 ай бұрын

Thank you Glenn 👍

Very helpful video, thanks!! I think I'll try tig first, since I prefer the tig process for most other applications.

great video! MIG has a harder weld, where as TIG is a softer weld... I use MIG when I'm welding spot welds which are drilled out, an inconspicuous spot, floors, inner fenders, the structure part of a vehicle, or where a door or window seal is going to cover it, I use TIG to weld up a patch repair panel, so you can hammer/dolly the panel straight again, and less work dressing the welds...

The hard MIG weld is also more brittle. You can get an easy grind wire specifically for auto body work.

Tom, excellent no nonsense video..proper craftsman

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alan

thanks for the knowledge..im new and learning now how to weld properly.

Brilliant video, going to get my car sill done now! And, it will be rough and a little solid, also with filler applied to cover the crap welds. Like the wet rag application, I have set fire to a car in the past. Peace be unto you.

Many years ago used to work in the aircraft industry and used TIG welding for aluminium panels, and it was the most controllable weld, so I would use TIG weld on your steel, and I would clamp a copper strip on the back when welding to take the heat away. Bob in the UK

@Metal_shaper_tom

9 ай бұрын

Thanks bob 👍

@SidFlavored

21 күн бұрын

Idk how you control aluminium. It’s quite a frustrating metal for me to work with personally.

Very well explained and demonstrated..

Thank you for making this

I always advocate doing things how you feel is good for you. Yea we can look at the research and tutorials, and follow SET processes, but ultimately when it comes to the finer points there is no "One size fits all". Another sub

Nice job, I usually braze all my panels but now I am going to buy a Tig and start learning that process.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

You won’t regret it 👍

Excellent video,Ver helpful thanks Tom.

Great job Tom!

Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

Love the Video.... Informative and No annoying background music!

I was thinking I wanted a MIG over a TIG and you just confirmed it.😊 thank you.

Thanks for the video. Very informative.

Great video Tom! I really hope the channel grows, you deserve it.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon! I hope so to 🤞🤞🤞

Nice comparison! I used to mig everything but nowadays it's mostly tig. When fusion welding thin sheet metal I like to clamp a copper bar on the back. This cools it a bit more and I can notice less "sugaring" on the back. I'm not that skilled so I know I'm putting more heat into it than I should .

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great tip. Cheers. Jorgen 👍

Massive HELP.

Thanks for showing us all that

Great video. Well done.

Thanks for Cooling tips.

Great video very helpful

Well done, looks awesome! Never thought to use air to cool down. I don't know if it's excessive, but what I would do is on each tack, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, all the way down, then back to the beginning, and it allows me to keep moving quickly without any concentrated heat. Then a wet rag if it starts building up. I never had any warpage that way, but like you say, everybody has their methods. Also I only did Mig, would love to try Tig.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

If it gets you the results you want then there’s nothing wrong with what your doing.

Nice video Tom, really good illustration of what both processes can achieve.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks rtech 👨‍🏭

Very helpful thank you.

Very nice comparison between MIG and TIG welding sheet metal. I do like the results of the TIG process, although it appears to be a mor complicated process. Thank you.

@Metal_shaper_tom

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@williamallen7836

5 ай бұрын

I don't see it as more complicated. Just a different process / skill set. Difficulty between mig & tig is about the same.

@leonlowenstadter9223

4 ай бұрын

Having learnt both, I'd say TIG simply requires quite a bit more practise. You'll have to coordinate both hands when working with filler material and I'd you have to movement the torch a bit more precise. But I won't say it's more complicated.

Great video. Thanks!

To prevent any warping or over heating I like to alternate from one end of panel to the other after about 10-15welds...Great video buddy very cool nice clean welds w/both mig&tig! It's inspiring me to get back at it maybe make a couple videos of my own!

@oldskool235

10 ай бұрын

this is what I was thinking when I was watching this video as well. @7:14 I was like NO., go to the other side, let that area cool down more. other than that, pretty much spot on.

Great job. I need to learn to Tig. Clean up sucks with my Mig.

Very good demonstration!

If your TIG machine has a pulse setting, this should in theory help you reduce your heat input and the resulting distortion, and also give you enough time between pulses to precisely place your series of overlapping spot welds. It would be nice to see how this approach would compare in your scenario. Using some .025" MIG wire as filler with the TIG torch would also be interesting. Thanks for the comparison.

@richardmcgovern4092

3 ай бұрын

I wonder what his post flow setting was if any with the argon v air blast with the tig.......I know what you're saying about the pulse rate, I usually only consider it with aluminum sheet but you are quite right.

@smportis

3 ай бұрын

Wait - did he reverse the front and back side for the demo? Confused.

@ralphwaters8905

3 ай бұрын

@@smportis - yes, I think so. He wanted to show penetration thru the joint. It might be better to weld from the back side anyway, since the over-penetration will take less grinding than the hot side.

Enjoyed this demo. Thanks

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

One of the best mig vs tig videos I think I have seen. I did have the question about can you use tig without wire and you have answered it.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks fo watching. Glad you enjoyed it 👍

@ITigweld

2 ай бұрын

Quick out the door Mig it. First class TIG it.

Great video. Informative and practical.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks wade 👍

Generally speaking, while MG is a more simple weld, needing much less finesse than say TIG or MMA, it is more of a dirty weld and not so pretty as other processes.. MIG does have its place in many companies because with constant wire and gas, you can just keep going. On the other hand processes that use consumables often need to be tied in when using a new consumable and takes more skill to get that beautiful weld. Personaly for car body work, I feel maybe mig is a good option as your going to grind/polish the weld away anyway..

Thanks bro, I appreciate

very good info here...learned a lot....thank you

Great video! Thanks for sharing!🙂

@Metal_shaper_tom

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very interesting!! Thanks!! 👍

Good stuff. Thank you.

EXCELLENT

Had a 70 mustang in the day i was taught using brass coat hangers and flux , on the car. Beautiful work ,just removing panel is a chore expecialy rears.

Well done, pro work. nice video. Car body is rare for me so that was very informative. THANK-YOU.

@Metal_shaper_tom

9 ай бұрын

Thank you William 👍

Excellent!!!!!

Useful video. Thanks

I never knew how labor intensive this is!🤯

I'd like to see how you made that sample patch panel. Ty.

:) Nice video and good info.. Thx

I like flux core myself, no gas, you can use a fan to blow away any fumes, it does require some practice, I remove the nozzle tip and can get in tight places well. Not saying "this is the way" but it works well for me. Cool vid.

Thanks COOP ...

Thanks a lot, it was a beautiful demostration, you help me a lot, hi from Argentina, keep that amazing work

@Metal_shaper_tom

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the nice comment 👍

❤ well explained. ❤

That was a great comparison.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Awsome product!! It is compact and vary portable. It's great when I'm fishing that magnet holds the dynavap in place so it doesn't roll around. I use to carrie a dugout and a pinch hit. Nasty to clean always clogged and sticky the dynavap pared with this heater kicks ass‼️🔥

@Metal_shaper_tom

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

Nice skills there Tom. I've never mastered the no filler method. I like to start the TIG run with a nice fat puddle from the filler rod. I start it away from the weld & run it in. I get less undercut problems & can run the weld quicker. If you slow down you'll blow a hole though. 😅

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Stick to what you know Tony if it works for you then great 👍

I have to agree with the no gap preference. The gap takes more weld allowing more heat input, which can lead to more warpage, but obviously there’s people who do it the other way with great success, so definitely boils down to personal preference

Excellent video

Thank you. Cheers

Hey man! You are not MIG-ing, You`re MAG-ing. Round edges is a good tip,

thank u for the help!!

Very good !!!

Excellent comparison. 50 odd years ago I remember old hands talking about "hammer welding" The penny just dropped about what they meant. They were gas welding of course.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

@zaverecnynavrh1047

Жыл бұрын

Sorry. It´syour mistake. Not gaz. Hammer only, with fire.

@Sean_XT

11 ай бұрын

@@zaverecnynavrh1047 you thinking of forge welding?

If I look at the heat affected zone ( bluish ) the result is about the same for both processes, one important thing you done is to avoid square corners, in fact, rounded corners helps greatly to control the distorsion. veru good video

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Excellent job 👏👌

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Nice informative video any more on car body dents repairs

Thanks Tom

Super video, very useful, thanks.

@Metal_shaper_tom

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

An issue with MIG welds is they are harder, hence more difficult to planish and more brittle. They are harder because MIG, even without rapid cooling cools faster than TIG. When you rapid cool it with air / water, you are directly quenching it, thus making the welds even harder and more brittle. Rapid cooling also tends to distort more because letting the weld cool more slowly allows the metal to relax slower into it's un-stressed shape better, whereas quenching rapidly cools it, locking it into a stressed state.

Fascinating stuff and truly inspirational Would love to learn to weld . I suspect that it’s like a lot of things, the more you do, the more you improve. I just need to get off my backside and find a part time course to get started.

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Easy with the correct tuition. When I teach people i do a 4 hour lesson and in that time I can show you enough to get going.

thanks Tom. great video. hello from Australia

@Metal_shaper_tom

11 ай бұрын

Hello 👋 thanks for watching and good luck with your channel

@UzumakiGarage

11 ай бұрын

@@Metal_shaper_tom thanks very much!

thanks tig much precise

TIG seems to be more elegant and cleaner in use to me. I might have to TIG myself up. Nice job on both of those sections though.

Excellent video mate

@Metal_shaper_tom

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 👍👨‍🏭

.. Ace work, Tom ,. I'm enjoying your channel,.. Keep-up the good work ,..

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Respect, useful video👍

@Metal_shaper_tom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

I've been thinking of buying a TIG for body welding for a long time, but now I see that I'm going to continue with MIG

@hetori9918

3 ай бұрын

I referred TIG,less messing with the body,no heavy grinding which will also heat up the sheet metal and cause it wavy easily,then less following work.but seems like TIG welding requires more precise metal work like gap control

Been thinking about it lately...but I'm thinking that production line spot welding and the time / distance between is a good guide to reinact with mig/tig but using a airline DIRECT after welds or a wet rag, personally tig is great for tacks with mig wire for the filler wire, mig is cooler creating less distortion

i like how much time you spent on your disclaimer 😂