The sons of Constantine the Great, Constantius II and Constans, are also similar to Stannis and Renly. Constantius was an effective ruler and commander but also cynical and ruthless and following a different religion than most of his realm, while Constans was vain, overly ambitious and gay.

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

wow, never thought of that

@suzytalks4778

2 жыл бұрын

So that makes Bobby B Constantine II then?

@hueylongdong347

2 жыл бұрын

@@suzytalks4778 Tbh, only similarities between those two is that they are the oldest (living) siblings.

@monetizedyay6827

2 жыл бұрын

@@suzytalks4778 Bobby B could be Crispus

@Blaklyon0

2 жыл бұрын

So... The baratheons are reflections of the Byzantine empire.

One of the main similarities between Stannis and the historical Tiberius is the fact that they were both the best military commanders of their times. While not as celebrated as Scipio Africanus or Caesar, Tiberius was an extremely accomplished general, conquering large parts of Europe and putting down the Batonian revolt, one of the least known but nonetheless more difficult rebellions Rome has ever had to face. Tiberius carried himself through guerrilla warfare and counter-insurgency operations, a type of warfare Romans were not used to and which Roman generals almost never managed to deal with successfully. The interesting thing is that since Roman military doctrine struggled to comprehend the notion of guerrilla, the ruling emperor Augustus (whose lack of military competence was renown) was dissatisfied with what he wrongly perceived to be a passive conduction of the war on Tiberius part, as he expected him to crush the revolt with a direct approach, by defeating the rebels in a pitched battle. As a result, Tiberius was never acknowledge the credit he deserved while conducting a difficult and exhausting counter-rebellion campaign. A very Stannis thing indeed…

@RomabooRamblings

Жыл бұрын

I'd say Tiberius as a military commander gets overshadowed by Agrippa and Germanicus. Both were probably stronger generals than him, but not by a big margin.

@davidesguario2151

Жыл бұрын

@@RomabooRamblings I agree about him being overshadowed, although I have some doubts about Germanicus being decisively superior. More like he had more charisma and appeal. Agrippa on the other hand was probably one of the top 5 roman generals ever.

@nicmagtaan1132

Жыл бұрын

Tiberius is closer to Fabian in terms of that

The Tiberius from "I, Claudius" is absolutely underrated, as he's the character who has, by far, the best development through the series. When I watched him as a 26-year-old youngster by first time in the Episode 1, I couldn't believe that person was the same disguting piece of sh*t brillantly portrayed by Peter O'Toole in the er*tic film "Caligula". However, the more episodes I watched, the more similar he looked to Peter O'Toole's character, as he gradually became more repulsive and abrasive thanks to his evil mother Livia. It was then in the "Reign of Terror" episode when both versions of the character finally converged into the same person. At this point, everything that I could see in him was a very depressed man who perfectly knew how much he wasted his life, being that the reason I found his anti-climatic death by Macro extremely fitting

@lordofhostsappreciator3075

2 жыл бұрын

Unpopular opinion; but "I, Claudius" is boring & a slog to get trough.

@TetsuShima

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 I admit the show starts a bit boring during the first 3 episodes, but I assure you things become more and more exciting once Claudius reaches maturity

@anakinthemannequin69

2 жыл бұрын

Caligula is Joffrey for sure. They even look uncannily similar.

@DeadlyAlienInvader

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 it’s not a show for those who lack long concentration.

@Blaklyon0

2 жыл бұрын

We march to victory or, we march to defeat... either way, we march forward... - Stannis Baratheon

A tiny but interesting detail. The actor who portrayed Joffrey in the series, Jack Gleeson, looks almost like Caligula himself. They're very similar in appearance.

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, their features are very similar

@haydencrawford8552

2 жыл бұрын

He also based his proformence off of commodus in gladiator I think

@Rhiannonganon

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the exact same thing!!!!

@flaviusaetius8042

Жыл бұрын

@@haydencrawford8552 Commodus was famous for being a brilliant sword-fighter, who always wanted to be a gladiator, and fought in the Arena dressed as Hercules. Joffrey isn't famous for his fighting skills.

@fraelikkriil830

9 ай бұрын

@@flaviusaetius8042the movie gladiator and Joaquin phoenix’s commodus were an inspiration to Gleason for his Joffrey performance, is what was being said.

The director of game of thrones actually told the actor who played Joffrey to watch I, Claudius' Caligula as a reference for his acting

The character of Joffrey is also heavily influenced by Roman Emperors. I always considered him as a mix between Caligula's cruelty and Honorius' inmaturity, with some of his spoiled brat traits being directly taken from Domitian's characterization in Anthony Burguess' book "The Kingdom of the Wicked"

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

I don't see how he is Honorius. Joffrey is decently cunning, while Honorius was very dull.

@TetsuShima

2 жыл бұрын

@@RomabooRamblings Both Joffrey and Honorius were absolute inmature brats, no matter if Joffrey was more efficent and intelligent. In fact, when I watched Honorius in the docudrama "Ancient Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire", I literally said: "Jesus, Joffrey! What the hell are you doing here!?" That boy was exactly like Joffrey, but removing his sadism

@suzytalks4778

2 жыл бұрын

Joffrey is more like a child version of Caracalla, with a bit of Caligula influence there. Tyrion is probably Claudius. Stannis imo is probably more like Domitian or even Septimius Severus.

@TetsuShima

2 жыл бұрын

@@suzytalks4778 I don't get why Caracalla is an influence according to you. That emperor preferred to live fighting as a soldier rather than being an Emperor surrounded by luxuries, unlike Joffrey.

@CaptainGrimes1

2 жыл бұрын

And is Bran Marcus Aurelius?

Tiberius Caesar actually had a lingering sense of duty he kept till the end of his principate, and episodes of him intervening to administrate the affairs in the city (or foreign affairs) reveal such pattern. As late as 35-36, he was successfully answering the pretenses of Artabanus II over Armenia through a brilliant military operation. The idea Tiberius was brooding in complete isolation (or surrounded by his sexual antics) is indeed to be completely dispelled. Apart from rethorical exaggerations presented by our sources, Tiberius had an abundant company on Capri and wherever he went, composed of scholars, family members, confidants, friends and so on - compare the temptative list stiled by Houston 1985. Sure, of course the fact he was surrounded by people may be beyond the point, as he could certainly chose to ignore them if he wished to (something he could not do in Rome), but the point is that Tiberius was far from alone, but rather enjoyed the company of people whose number he could easily control. Getting in touch with Tiberius, while not as easy as it formerly was in Rome, was far from impossible: people could require permission to visit the emperor, as Julius Agrippa did in 36. In 27, shortly after arriving in Capri, he immediately left the island to bring relief to the victims of the disaster of Fidenae. In 28, Tiberius was requested to appear on the mainland: he did, halting perhaps at Surrentum, and an huge crowd of men hurried there to meet the Caesar (and Seianus). The picture that emerges is almost that of a deus praesens, a 'present god'. The idea is conveyed by Tacitus, presenting senators 'praying' Tiberius to 'appear' (crebrisque precibus efflagitabant, uisendi sui copiam facerent, Ann. 4.74), something that immediately recalls of cletic prayers employed to ask gods to leave their 'current' location (which is often an island, like Capri) and to show up. Considering Tiberius was always at pain to stress his mortal status, the idea presented by Tacitus has a ring of irony. But it's true Tiberius never 'retired' to Capri. During the last decade of his life, he was an active traveller, coming near Rome several times but always turining back. Tacitus foremostly makes that pretty clear: Experts in heavenly matters said that Tiberius had left Rome under such movements of the planets as denied him a return.This was the reason for the extermination of many who inferred and publicized a speedy end to his life: they did not foresee so incredible a circumstance that for eleven years he would willingly be deprived of his fatherland. But subsequently there was disclosed the narrow boundary between skill and falsehood, and by what darkness the reality was veiled. That he would not go back into the City was no chance saying; but, as to the rest,they acted in ignorance, since he passed his extreme old age nearby in the countryside or on the shore, and often encamping at the walls of the City. (Ann. 4.58) Caesar, having crossed the strait which washes between Capri and Surrentum, was skirting Campania, in two minds whether to go into the City-or, because he had already decided otherwise, simulating a scene of impending arrival. And, having landed often in the neighborhood and approached the gardens by the Tiber, he retreated again to his rocks and the solitude of the sea ... (Ann. 6.1) he never once approached even the roofs of the City, still less the public council, on frequent detours encircling and dodging his fatherland. (Ann. 6.15) These matters Tiberius learned, not cut off by the sea (as formerly) nor through long-distance messengers, but close to the City, so that on the very same day or after only a night’s intermission he could write back to the consuls’ letters ... (Ann. 6.39) ... after numerous changes of location, he settled at length on the promontory of Misenum in a villa of which L.Lucullus had once been owner. (Ann. 6.50) Why Tiberius did so is another complex matter, and would require an impossible and intense session of mind reading with a mind so complex and devious as that of Tiberius Caesar. But some considerations may be drawn. Certainly, enacting a peregrinatio through different villas was within the aristocratic tradition, and his constant movements can be seen in that context. Yet, his pervicacious reluctance to enter Rome deserves attention in its own regard. Tiberius became known as Callipides early on during his reign, because he repeatedly promised to visit the provinces without ever doing so (Callipides was a character from a Greek byword known for running on spot). Indeed, for the first two years of his principate, he couldn't bring himself further than the Horti of Caesar, in Regio XIV on the other side of the Tiber. It therefore strikes an ominous note that in the second half of his principate Tiberius couldn't bring himself closer to Rome than precisely the Horti of Caesar ('the gardens by the Tiber'), bringing what has been called an 'hortulan symmetry' to a full circle - the division is not between Rome and Capri, but rather Rome and not Rome. It's also worth stressing here that Tiberius couldn't have simply strolled into Rome as a priuatus - quite the opposite, his entry in Rome would have required elaborate celebrations, only just to celebrate an aduentus principis. Champlin stressed Tiberius' interest, and perhaps identification, with Odysseus, drawing a parallel with the voyages of the hero and Tiberius' peregrinations: both were attempting to return home, but both could not quite stay at home, always eager to depart for new voyages. To this fascinating idea, one can add one famous apothegm of Tiberius, lupum auribus teneo, 'I'm holding a wolf by the ears' (cf. Terentius, Phormio, 506) - indeed, the wolf engineered by Augustus, he could not let go, nor could handle. Already in his younger days, when an 'exilee' on Rhodes, his willful departure was followed afterwards by a desperate plea to return Rome, only satisfied in 2; and now, running a position he could not abdicate, he was kept in his archetypical limbo between a desire to retirement, indeed to escape, and his lingering sense of duty (and his knowledge he could not abdicate his position, something that would openly invite assassination), in a struggle between otium and negotium. In short, not Tiberius the negligent absentee, but Tiberius the frustrated romantic.

There are also lots of simularities between the Romans and the Targaryens. The Targaryens came from the Freehold of Valyria, which GRRM himself said is heavy influenced by the Roman Republic. The fall of Valyria and the flight of the Targaryens are very simular to the fall of Troy and story of Aeneas. I also think there are some parallels between Emperor Nero and the mad Targaryen kings such as Maegor the Cruel, who waged a war against the faith, which resembles Nero's prosecutions of the Christians, and Aerys II. Targaryen, who planed to burn down the capital and like Nero was the last ruling member of his dynasty. The fall of the Targaryen dynasty is also simular to the fall of the last Roman king Tarquinius Superbus.

@huanquocmanh416

2 жыл бұрын

Targ is hasburg

@gerardjagroo

2 жыл бұрын

Maegor the Cruel, whatever his vices was a formidable warrior and did not lack for courage. I think of him more as Julian the Apostate and Tiberius himself

An interesting Note of Stannis and Daenerys. Both claim legitimacy by right. The first as rightful successor to robert and the latter as targaryen. And yet they both have almost opposite outlooks, similarish goals and completely ironic stories. Both stannis and daenerys place a lot of emphasis on justice, the first as a way of life, the other more as vengeance and right. But whilst the first is far more strict in legality/lawfullness, the other wants to be far more revolutionary. And yet their stories are almost paradoxical. Stannis, the hardliner, Law Enforcing man, can almost be believed to champion for a rightful status quo and very pro precedence. And yet he singularly allies with pirates, sellswords, has a commoner (former smuggler) as hand, follows a new eastern religion to replace the preceding ones. His crew almost feels criminal or dirty (not for me, but definetly for the other lords). Hell, he'd probably have executed half of his forces if he'd been king after robert. And yet, despite semmingly being someone who believes in the social hyerarchy and the right of the nobility, he is by far the most meritocratic leader of all the contenders. He routinely ignores class over actual ability. And that actually why he is still able to pull out of the box solution and have very capable subordinates despite having by far the fewest resources (reminds me of Demetrius Polierchetes after Ipsus). This partially because he is pragmatic (relevant for daenerys). And the funny thing is that, much like Cato, his reputation is so solid as the stern law man, that all this probably doesnt ruin his reputation the way it would have with other lords. Daenerys instead wants to institute a whole shake up of the system, a revolution of sorts. Braker of chains and liberator of people. Break the wheel and all that. First of all its kinda ironic since the whole reason why she comes to westeros was because of her ancestry that made the wheel. But even funnier is the fact that all her supporters are the Wheel! If we go by movies, she has 3 major noble houses behind her, her hand is the practical heir of a fourth, she got a former kingsguard and the support of the old small counciler varys. And unlike stannis, she is very idealistic and very self centered. She cannot handle criticisms, her advisors can basically push only what she wants or what she doesnt care about. She routinely acts arbitrarily in her rule and in the end is very despotic.

@CrackingCody

2 жыл бұрын

Stannis and Daenerys are cousins. The more ya know. Dany's aunt is Stannis' grandma.

@samuellennon1984

2 жыл бұрын

Dany in the tv show after season 5 isn't Daenerys Targaryen. But a pathetic, dumb and dumber caricature of one. Dany was the best of the people who wanted the iron throne and they fucked up her story. Instead of being the greatest ruler to sit on the iron throne, she instead became 'hurr Durr Targaryen mad hurr durr' all because of some fucking bells. I have never wanted to end someone's life as badly as I do dumb and dumber. I refuse to say their actual names. The only shoe that is worse than the last seasons of Game of thrones is the halo tv series. Another stupendously idiotic fuckup.

@hueylongdong347

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrackingCody *great-aunt

@drivernephisson7034

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrackingCody Don't remind Robert that he's related to "dragonspawn" if you want to keep your ribcage intact.

One thing I like about GRRM is that you could always derive similarities from other historical periods wether it was intentional or not,even those whose inspirations were already mentioned,such as Stannis and the red wedding. Stannis defeats the Greyjoy rebellion at sea,where they are strongest. In what could be considered Stannis' first naval battle ever. Same way the Muslims defeated the byzantine fleet at the battle of the masts,led by commanders unfamiliar with naval warfare such as Abdullah ibn Ubay ibn Abi's Sarj. Stannis' victory over the Wildings could be compared to the charge of the winged hussars at the siege of Vienna. The red wedding,despite it's inspiration being already mentioned,could be likened to Abbasid Massacre of the Umayyads at a reconciliation dinner by Abdullah Ibn Ali. Daeron the young dragon has huge similarities with Osman II of the Ottoman Empire.

Your videos are a perfect mix of being interesting but also obscure enough to be something I've not heard much about before. Also as a big romaboo and AsoIaF fan who loves the Mannis this video is perfect for me. Great channel

I don't even know what those books are, this is the first time I see this character, as well as the entire show. Anyway, from what I gathered from this video, this Stannis reminds me of Constantius II, especially the one from Dovahhatty's parodical series The Unbiased History of Rome.

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

yep, he even has an arrogant gay brother

There is a roman reference that I really love. During Joffrey's wedding, Tyrion gives him as a gift a book called Lives of Four Kings, which is a reference to De Vita Caesarum/The Twelve Caesars

I see I, Claudius, I click and like. Now I watch.

wtf I love Tiberius now. Stannis was the one true king

Man, I couldn't ask for a better video thank you.

This is the series I didn’t know I needed; can’t wait for the next

I hope we’ll get to see more videos like these because it was intriguing but also very interesting to learn about. I can’t wait to see more of these types of videos in the future.

This was really cool, can’t wait for the next one

Excellent idea and execution, nice work

Great video. I'm an absolute sucker for character inspiration explanations.

Such an amazing video! Thank u very much! I'm a rome history fan and also a Stannis' stan, I really enjoyed the video

George Lucas made direct tributes to The Fall of The Roman Empire (1964) and Ben-Hur(1959) in Star Wars, as highlighted in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4ei17JuiNSZoso.html There's also a ton of similarities between the late republic in the prequels and the late republic in roman history. Characters like Chancellor Valorum and Palpatine have latin sounding names, and then of course there's the governing body being called The Senate. I'd even say Palpatine is inspired from Augustus. Idk, something to look into if you find it interesting.

I would love to see more of the inspirations for other GOT-characters.

Excellent video, as a roman fan and got fan, really enjoyed it! Great work, hope your channel gets more attention

Fantastic video. I’ve always wondered about GRRM’s comparison between Stannis and Tiberius, so it’s great to a comparative analysis between the two characters

George RR Martin sounds EXACTLY like I thought he would

Came across your channel yesterday, amazing content! I suggest you make something about Illyrian tribes and Rome taking over Dalmatia and Illyricum - very interesting part of history but rarely talked about. Thanks for you effort, subbed :)

Bomb ass video bro. Please do more

This was great

As a counterpoint to I, Claudius I quite like The Caesars, made for British TV about a decade earlier. It covers much of the same events but basically zigs everywhere I, Claudius zags.

I fucking love Rome and I fucking love Stannis

@aegonthedragon7303

3 ай бұрын

This man is based

More of these comparison videos plz

I’ve felt that Constantine V and Stannis bear a good amount of similarities. Revered military commanders who score great victories, settling “barbarians” into their empire to bolster population/ranks, supporters of an outsider or schismatic religion involving icon destruction, despised by the aristocracy for their harsh personalities, and seeking to implement/actually implementing reforms that would improve state functions

Great video. I do wish more people watched I Claudius. There are so many little things George takes from that show that don't get discussed. Like Claudius' wedding vs Tyrions wedding.

@Tiabliaj1989

Жыл бұрын

Anytime I meet somebody who likes "history" shows like Rome or Vikings or even fantasy/politics like GoT, I always point them to I, Claudius. Just wish I could get hold of a copy of the book.

This was a truly eye-opening video- thank you! I have long considered I, Claudius one of my favorite tv series. Game of Thrones took its place among them long after that. But I had never connected the two. Now that you have drawn the connections between Tiberius and Stannis, I am thoroughly convinced. Re other connections between classical history and modern culture: the fall of the Republic and rise of the Empire in Star Wars, especially in the prequels. George Lucas’ ponderous storytelling suggested to me that he had some familiarity with how Augustus kept the forms of the republic without their substance while consolidating power. And Lucas perhaps even had some encounters with discourses of republicanism beginning with Polybius. (Not to give Lucas too much credit- he was probably telling his story through the lens of American history primarily).

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

I can certainly picture Augustus saying "I love democracy" as the senate invests him with every single power imaginable.

@Onezy05

6 ай бұрын

With Lucas, he took inspiration from various historical groups to fit the mythological archetypes of empires and rebels. The Empire is similar to Rome, but also to other powers such as the USA, British Empire, and Nazi Germany. The Rebels are similar to the Viet Cong, anti- Nazi groups during WW2, and even (surprisingly) the Confederacy (though that last one is more aesthetic)

more a song of ice and fire and Julio-Claudians comparissons!!! this video was awesome🔥🔥🔥🔥

When you know nothing about a Song of Ice and Fire.

Also Valens and Anthemius were similar to each other, but Valens died more tragically than Anthemius.

Michael the 1st (Byzantium) was definitely the inspiration for Robert. Even down to the details of his death.

I could've sworn I saw the comparison was apparently stannis-to-claudius, and was just plain confused; stannis-to-tiberius makes more sense. I've been working on a fantasy story for years, and I've drawn more inspiration from the byzantines than the romans. It just has those little things that make history fascinating, the idea that the grandson of big chungus khan was invading japan while his cousin on the other side of the world was getting hitched to the daughter of the byzantine emperor is cool. That's not to say that OG roman history is uninteresting, just that I prefer the byzantine history.

Really neat video, this is probably the most I’ve seen of GoT since…the end. Also, I find it pretty funny, as I keep hearing your voice as sounding like Peter Dinklage as Tyrion. Quality content dude, keep it up!

I love to believe that Stannis is Richard the 3rd.

@rjjacob101

2 жыл бұрын

He actually kinda fits Richard III more in the way that both were brothers of the previous King and both felt they had the most legitimate claim on the throne over their nephews.

@SorceressWitch

Жыл бұрын

That's Tyrion. Richard III was portrayed as a deformed hunchback by shakespeare and this became legend. GRRM himself had said he took influence from Richard III for Tyrion who is also seen as deformed as he is a dwarf and there is propaganda against him. He is also blamed for trying to assassinate Bran and then blamed for poisoning Joffrey, resembling the 2 princes in the tower which Richard is accused of killing. Neither would I call Richard Stannis as he is less like him and betrays people. He betrayed Lord Hastings who helped him into power and was loyal to him. This would be like turning against Davos. Tiberius fits Stannis as an outstanding military commander and if you watched I Claudius you see the influence as Tiberius in the show is not happy with how his military triumphs are underappreciated like Stannis does in the books. Tiberius doing treason trials also fits Stannis as he has said he plans to wipe the council clean of corruption. Stannis fleeing to dragonstone is similar to Tiberius fleeing to Capri as both are islands and they isolate themselves from the capital city. Plus GRRM said so himself, he is the guy who wrote the books.

Cersei does have some parallels with Agrippina, the sister of Caligula and the mother of Nero. You could do a video on that.

Stannis somewhat reminds me of Aurelian and Basil II. Aurelian in his “restitutor orbis” MO. Basil II in his character.

Andre Morell's Tiberius in 1968 series The Caesars is the far superior Tiberius in television fiction. Baker cannot really sell that he is Tiberius, while Morell does. You can believe that version of Tiberius became the immoral tyrant he was in old age due to depression, boredom, and moral decay caused by the sheer unwillingness he always felt about being Emperor as a stopgap before Germanicus and his kids - and feeling trapped by his duty to protect the Empire and Augustus' legacy. He lost his wife Vipsania to marry Julia even if the idea of it made him want to vomit, he lost his only son to Sejanus and Livilla poisoning him; he got betrayed by all his friends, Piso included; everyone in Rome grew to loath him because nobody could truly believe he really, really didn't want to be the Emperor and because Agrippina convinced them that he was out to get her and her family; and him to loath them back in return because the Roman mob are a bunch of sheeps and ingrates and the whole Senate is made only of sycophants not fit to be slaves. However, the series also correctly shows how much of a shrewd and intelligence Emperor Tiberius was in governing the Empire, which was hampered by his introvertness and his lack of charisma which grew worse with age. The series is available on YT for free, go check it out.

I would be really interested in similar examination of other characters!

having recently watched I Claudius I can I finally understand videos about it

I heard he drew inspiration from Hadrian's wall to keep the Picts out, the ice wall to keep the wildlings and white walkers out and castle black was drawn from vindolanda! Also, Cersei, a bit of an Aggripina in my opinion!!!

I am a big fan of both and agree with you. Maybe after watching I Claudius however. Those two actors are one in the same.

This is a great video! I would like to see more videos, comparing fictional characters to non fictional ones. Personally, I see a lot of comparisons between the following: Jeffrey lannister/Caligula Tywin lannister/ Julius Jaime lannister/ Mark antony Ned Stark/ pompey Magor targaryan/ Nero Robert baratheon/ Any high ranking official that loved to party and drink and ignoring their responsibility.

@PJ-zh5gd

2 жыл бұрын

Can't think of a clear Roman equivalent for Robert. He reminds me of Boris Yeltsin / Edward IV / Gustav I of Sweden / Henry VIII, with a little hint of Henry VI even.

@Blaklyon0

2 жыл бұрын

@@PJ-zh5gd Ramsey Bolton must be mirrored after Vlad the impaler... Not roman but, that's the closest I can pin him.

@PJ-zh5gd

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Blaklyon0 I think Ramsay could also be based on Nero... feeding people to dogs, killing his own family members and other cruelty. (And, he'll probably be the last of his house, even in the books.)

@Blaklyon0

2 жыл бұрын

@@PJ-zh5gd agreed... Maegor and Ramsey both have shades of Nero... I wonder if we can see and comparisons to Elagabalus in any ASOIAF characters...

@PJ-zh5gd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blaklyon0 Didn't Elagabalus try to bring in a weird new foreign sun god cult with human sacrifice? Sounds kind of like the Lord of Light religion/R'hllor. Well, that one's technically a fire cult, not sun, but it's still called the Lord of *Light*.

Tiberius - Liked little boys Stannis - Didn't like little boys ( I hope )

I love the show I, Claudias.

your microphone volume is a bit too low

I feel like Stannis, I never asked for this but ''it is mine, by right''.

1:01 Really? His english inspiration was Henry VII? Not Richard III? Or is he specifically being questioned about his NON Roses era inspirations?

Stannis is so epic...

JRR Tolkien also basically just copied a lot of stuff from the Roman history in Lord of the Rings. The exile of the Faithful to Middle-Earth is like Aeneid, The Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor is Rome, later Arnor is the Western Roman Empire and Gondor the Eastern Roman Empire, Arnor falls like WRE did and only Gondor remains, protecting the West against Southron and Easterling invasions like ERE did with Persians and Muslims, Arnor becomes heavily depopulated like Western Rome was, Gondor declines like ERE through civil wars, foreign invasions and plagues like the Great Plague similar to the Justinian Plague and loses a lot of its territories to Easternlings and Southrons and is contained to a smaller state like ERE had with Bulgars and Arabs, The White City of Minas Tirith is the Golden City of Constantinople, Battle of the Pelennor Fields is the Battle of Catalaunian Plains down to Theoden/Theoderic the Visigoth helping Gondor/Romans with Rohirric/Visigothic Cavalry against barbaric Orc/Hunnic army and dying during the battle

@powerist209

2 жыл бұрын

Which isn’t surprising since Tolkien is also Germanic historian, which also intertwined with Rome…a lot.

I claudius seems more based on tacitus than suetonius - the latter of which never mentions livia doing anything bad! I think tiberius was a pretty funny guy, evil as his deeds were, as his quotes kept making me laugh when reading suetonius :I Renly seems closer to Germanicus?

🤠👍🏿

love the ASOIAF crossover here

The series is also heavily inspired by china’s Three Kingdoms era

@bigalmou2261

2 жыл бұрын

Y'know, some people might think you're joking, but... it really does. Depending on how you look at it, it's almost a one-for-one.

Stannis is the God damn Mannis

Livia is possibly the most wicked woman in history. I often wonder what Roman history would have been if Germanicus became Emperor and if he died of sickness or poison.

Fuck yeah! Stannis #1

All I know is that Robb stark was inspired by one of the Henry’s or edward’s of England, not a Roman emperor or soldier, maybe Alexander the Great if you really try to peace it all together but yeah

I really don't get this characterization of Stannis as a duty-driven man. He's clearly a schemer and is bet everything on someone Melisandre. The dutyful man is not Stannis, but Davos. And with a reason, Stannis, unlike Cercei for example, knows that having this kind of people behind you is essential.

Honestly wish HBO would do I Claudius series, basically just og game of thrones

@Bronn92

2 жыл бұрын

I men, the did Rome

@SuperCrow02

2 жыл бұрын

Nah I Claudius is perfect

@banksmagee8685

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperCrow02 you don’t Claudius invasion of Britain?

The rightful king

I Claudius is worth watching just to see Patrick Stewart with hair😆

For English history though stannis is kinda like Richard III.

I always enjoy your videos. However, I don't see what you're seeing in comparing stannis and tiberius. I don't see any similarities at all other than the fact that they are sour brooding men. Even though George RR Martin says he based stannis on Tiberius I don't put a whole lot of credence into that just because it's George RR Martin. That man could not come up with an original idea if his life depended on it. His entire body of work is copied from someone else. But anyhow I did enjoy your video even though I do not agree with it. Cheers

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

Frankly, my interest in history was reinvigorated in no small part thanks to ASoIaF. I stumbled upon a site, where people share their theories about book plot. I was baffled at how much research is put into them and thought "shouldn't it be more interesting to theorize about the characters and events that aren't made up?".

@gegatodua2988

2 жыл бұрын

what a moronic complaint. His work is no more derivative, then any other fantasy author including Tolkien himself.

@Tiabliaj1989

Жыл бұрын

Both unlikable men, driven by a sense of duty that puts them at odds with their more politic-minded family members. Both achieved fame through martial prowess, but outshone by a sibling with comparable martial skill but greater people skills (Robert/Drusus). Both pushed by a greedy woman who is willing to sacrifice their happiness to force this promised power upon them (Melissandre or his wife for Stannis, Livia for Tiberius). I can see the comparisons, but also agree. The more I read of history the more I can point out GoT plotlines. But everyone borrows from somewhere. I just wish he'd put aside these side-projects and prequels until he'd finished his main series. Sucks he couldn't match pace with the guy who does Last Kingdom and manage to finish his series before the show did.

Don't compare Cersei to Livia. Livia was actually intelligent.

Tiberius not want reign the empire

The I Claudius version of Tiberius was utterly dislikeable whereas I really liked Stannis and was rooting for him until what happened with his daughter ...

@RomabooRamblings

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, Tiberius is portrayed as very whiny

>George R.R Martin Instant Reject

@RestitutorEuropa

2 жыл бұрын

That fuck needs to finish the god damn series before he dies…

@axelgonzalez5992

2 жыл бұрын

Why?

@gegatodua2988

2 жыл бұрын

trying too hard there midwit, also using arrowheads outside of 4chan is pretty embarrassing.

Robert Graves needed a lot of money fast when he wrote I Claudius. I think he took a lot of liberties to make sure his novel sold. You may want to watch the Granada TV series from 1968, The Caesars. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGesk5lqes67m9I.html