I still find it weird that Tiamat only defensive measure is the 500 damage cut passive, and the crit down if you count that, while kuku has both an invul and a dodge.

Irrelevant. Meta is temporary, Mommy is forever

@xenoemblem7

Жыл бұрын

Both are mommy though.

@uteriel282

6 ай бұрын

@@xenoemblem7 but only one is the mom of all moms.

This is just like Arjuna alter vs Morgan. Tiamat has higher dmg while Kuku has more versitility. Plus Tiamama is Black grail compatible.

Tiamat is the best for my team... bc I failed to get Kukulkan. :(

@Inari4ka

Жыл бұрын

Sad but true. Save for Kuku in future 👍😔

The way I see it, Kuku's better as a full on, 120, full fou investment, as she can farm everything equally minus the absurdly rare Pretender node. Meanwhile Tiamat does the job better when allowed to, but has a fair bit of counterclass. Essentially, when Tiamat goes off, she's unmatched, but Kuku's consistently great.

@FujoshiRaper

Жыл бұрын

I got np5 tiamat . Didnt care about her class disadvantage. But i hope np5 is enough to clear everything

Tiamat to give me sweet dreams Kuku to give me my wildest desires Whichever you prefer gentlemen.

Both for the perfect oyakodon 🗿🍷

@kamenlobster

Жыл бұрын

Get this man a 👑

I'd say Kukulkan is better by the strict merit of not being an Alter Ego + having Super Effective Damage on the Earth Attribute in general. The fact she can flex into a potent off-meta Support between her Gauge Charge and immense Critical Star Generation is also a fine cherry on top. Sure, she can't do BG Farming like Tiamat can and is missing out of that sweet Class Advantage, but she also doesn't have to fear Knights ruinning farming attempts and doesn't NEED Oberon to deal pretty significant damage. Tiamat is still pretty fricking amazing, though, so if one can afford to get both....

Sadly Tiamats alter ego class holds her back from being the best buster farmer, then her skill set doesn’t have nearly as much general utility as Kukulkan. Kukulkan just has so much going for her as not only a top tier neutral buster farmer, but also as a challenge quest and solo servant even. Tiamat just isn’t that great besides farming, I’m not saying she’s bad it’s just her kit isn’t that great besides farming especially compared to someone like Kukulkan.

you forgot that tiamat is capable to bring BG/0 NPgauge bro, this is her advantage from kuku or any other buster looper, you praise the sun too much

Farming wise Tiamat edges out thanks to her being able to use black grail, effectively giving her extra 80% dmg buff (160% in the last wave thanks to oberon) while kukulkan has to use a 50% starting gauge ce which generally give you about 20% boost in damage and even less in the last wave with oberon

I don't think this is a good comparison, but I have both so I don't have to join the arguments below..

I wonder when you will talk about Altera since she got own rate-up today, its been so long since the last time when you brought her up on your channel last year with her buff. It would really nice if you do. 👍

After playing with Tiamat for a while the thing I found the more lacking is not having invul pierce on her np. Kuku's Sure Hit on her second skill will not always be active but it sure comes on nice when you need it.

@hdmofo6757

Жыл бұрын

you can always use honey lake and a burn command code for challenge quests

Kukulkan is the best of the best of the best.

Junao berserker damage enjoyer👀

Tiamat because look at that arch.

I use kukulkan np2 together with arash on the first wave to be able to use BG. If arash beat the first wave without oberon buff, kuku is unstoppable

Don't know, don't care, I have mommy issues

Its better to get both, Tiamat for alot of damage and Kuku for ease of use due to her lack of class disadvantage. Also Kuku does big boy crits! Love them both, have them both. All is well! Also if l may add, tiamat will kill lower hp knights in wave 1 and 2. So far, mine can comfortably kill 76k knights in camelot without issue turn 1 and 2. And turn 3 its a given, am doing 400k blue damage xD I love big damage and these girls do just that. Lore accurate power levels for both. (though tiamat needs abit more tankiness if you ask me, her beast ver in story is undying!)

@6ToesHeACreature

Жыл бұрын

One universal buster farmer is enough same with quick and arts.

ALERT ARJUNA ALTER HAS A RATE UP ON NA

@tkg3me

Жыл бұрын

that's a hell of a banner before lb6s..

Just wanted to let you know since u didn't mention it, Tiamat can start at 0% charge to farm any node that she is effective against like Melusine can. She can also use black grail which no one but Melusine and Arcueid can do in buster comps. Still think your point still stands that Kuku is better for challenge content but I think when it comes to farming Tiamat is probably better in events that don't have starting charge CEs since she can 6 CE (lottos, raids, etc.). To give an example of how she can farm from 0 she starts with 20% charge from appends, 20% from Oberon, 60% from herself (s1 and s3) for wave 1, wave 2 swap out a Koyanskaya for the other one after giving Tiamat all her buffs, wave 3 50% from Oberon 60% from Tiamat. The only down side is her wave 1 damage will be lower than most buster servants since you are only starting with 1 Koyanskaya. If she is using BG her damage outpaces any aoe servant with this set up making her the hardest hitting aoe farmer in the game even when comparing servants with damage mods. But in short, I think Tiamat is a more flexable farmer since she can 6CE and in 5CE set ups she blows everyone out the water in damage if u have black grail. I am also assuming you are not using Tiamat to farm knight classes to which obviously Kuku is better. I like both and I'm going to summon for both when they come out on NA. Ironically I don't like using plug suit so I'm probably going to end up using Kuku more often anyway.

@arrexu01

Жыл бұрын

there's a new "plug suit" coming u know

@tsf9600

Жыл бұрын

You forgot about Cas Cú, he can also BG loop in a mono DPS comp. Or Oberon, but Oberon has more caveats like needing high NP level, weak wave 1/2 damage and sucks against Knights. There's a few other oddballs going by a video I saw a few weeks ago but basically the big names are Cas Cú, Tiamat, Mélusine and Archetype Earth where it comes to BG Buster looping.

I like both a lot and don't have Oberon so my Skama keeps her farming role.

i need kuku in my life

ehm.... why are you comparing a Buster Foreigner with a NP Looping Alter Ego? would make more sense to compare Tiamat with Melusine...

I think Tiamat is better in more stally sustain fights and Kukulkhan is better in faster, min turn, battles. Basically Merlin vs Koyanskaya but as AoE buster servants.

@xshotfd9361

Жыл бұрын

i'd argue even kukulkan is better at stally fights since her 10 star passive and special invul passive is a big helper not to mention she has an invul for her 3rd skill, a 2 hit evade for her 2nd AND crit resis for her 1st skill

have em both. kukulkan farming takes too long by pressing alot of buttons with that star trade, tiamat deals half damage to knight classes.

insane, i have both servants for once.

I'mma just say tiamat despite having no knowledge on the kit. Simply because Mommy > Sister

Who is better ? Your mother or your big sister ?

@H4CKP4CK

Жыл бұрын

💀

Something than you miss: Tiamat aside of Kukulkan, she can perfecty loop with BG and oberon, something than Kukulkan Cant do, this provides to her a lot of good things like, she can use any kind of farming CE to play, and the fact than with BG, she has better damage than kukulkan

@KalarKing

Жыл бұрын

You guys need to stop peddling this lie, Kuku can use BG as long as it has a solo enemy in waves 1 or 2, because she can kill them with crits alone (which are quite frequent in 90++ nodes), I did Takasugi 90++ node with her consistently because she can murder the lone 600k nobu or the 200k serpent with just crits. She also can use BG on 2 wave nodes for obvious reasons, these are also popular enemy compositions in 90++ nodes, we just had one on the 2023 valentine's event. The only issue with this BG farm method is that is not as braindead as the other BG users.

@santiagovegacuenca2162

Жыл бұрын

​@@KalarKing buddy, the thing with the crits is than that are rng, not always you will get de cards you like, and when you only need to press the np card is o much easier, obviusly for us than only farm at min lv do 3-5 turns is okey, but for the whales the servants than only need the np is so important, you said than the fact of the braindead strategies, but that's the point, something is more broken when is more braindead. I love kukulkan, and always than I can use her on CQ I use her, but on this game when you need to do 900 times a quest cause you are on a roulette event, you always will prefer the simple and braindead strategy

@KalarKing

Жыл бұрын

@@santiagovegacuenca2162 Kuku crits are always guaranteed because of Konyan skill, Kuku gives 30 stars per NP + 10 on passive and that's not counting Oberon stars, Kuku also doesn't need to spend 10 stars on her 2nd skill because it doesn't give offensive attributes, I'm telling you I did Takasugi 90++ node CONSISTENTLY, for it to fail you would need all of your 3 Buster cards and 1 arts card all on turn 3 (because you can NP on all 3 waves if get your Arts card on turn 1 or 2), and even in that case the boss on the 3rd wave is gonna eat a Buster chain of upwards 900k dmg, I fail to see the issue with that. You're also moving the goalposts, the arguments is if Kuku can use BG consistently and yes, she can in 90++ nodes that have the characteristics I presented to you.

@ShiraFuyu2022

Жыл бұрын

​​@@KalarKinghe argument for that is that Tiamat can do Black Grail Farming mindlessly without the need of any outside factor. Kukuru like you said is Node Dependent and even if she has come 3 Buster Deck, she only has 3/15 chance of having them appearing is 20%. And let's not forget, Kukuru needs a lot of Button's to mash that it beats the point of 3 Turn Farming, which is doing it as fast and efficient as possible Tiamat can use Black Grail mindlessly, Kukuru can't use Black Grail if RNG isn't on your side

@KalarKing

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiraFuyu2022 Your response makes no sense, I'm not debating about your braindead Tiamat comp, I'm talking about the viability of Kuku with BG, for this comp to "fail" like I said, you need FOUR of Kuku's cards to be in turn 3, something that happens very unlikely, and yet if it does, she will kill the boss with crits alone and fill her NP gauge again for turn 4 to end any trash mobs remaining. Kuku's comp works in almost all events BUT lottery ones, most people don't farm normal events, most do the bare minimum, and lotto events mostly occur twice a year, to be honest I don't know what's your angle with your response, maybe read my OG response slowly so you can respond better next time.

It depends on each person actually. It's either they're Mommy-complex or Neechan-complex, or both. I'm a greedy person so...

Both are greenish so both are good

She maybe not the rank 1 super broken as everyone hyped her up to be but at least shes not like Koyan of Dark that was also a hyped up waifu that turns out to be a disappointment with a mess of a kit

What about for lore wise,who would win?

@kirbytrolly9767

Жыл бұрын

Kuku

@ttf1298

Жыл бұрын

Tiamat due to kuku not having anyway to actually put her down In fact, back in Babylonia Romani specifically mentions that not even an alien could take her down

@icedrone24

Жыл бұрын

Tiamat lore wise

@capetel368

Жыл бұрын

It would be camazotz vs ort all over again thanks to her immortality.

@uteriel282

6 ай бұрын

tiamat is one of the primordials which are the strongest group of beings in the nasuverse. the group consists of tiamat, chaos, the umbral star, the outer gods and possibly more. a fight between kukulkan and tiamat is like a single ant trying to fight a dinosaur.

Tee-uh-mat... Not Tie-uh-mat That said, I'm rolling for both😂

@MyLoneTravel

Жыл бұрын

Tie-enk-you for the clarification, I read her name wrong too lol

“DAYUM BOI SHE THICC”

Why ZTL uses cringe sheets?

Тиамат - альтер-эго, а Кукулькан - иностранец, у него больше преимуществ, и кроме того, это сердце ОРТа.

Taimom is the best

what about Arc, is she even close to the debate of "best buster aoe"?

@sibsart2039

Жыл бұрын

Tiamat’s damage against Knight Classes is almost as high as Arc’s Neutral damage. Arc brings a little extra utility, but Tiamat’s numbers are cracked.

@dimensionvisitor7689

Жыл бұрын

@@sibsart2039 ok

@AJLaz000

Жыл бұрын

Arc can touch Black Grail but unfortunately she can't make use of Oberon because of that ridiculous 7 turn cooldown on her battery so her dmg is severely affected

@hdmofo6757

Жыл бұрын

@@AJLaz000 she can use double oberon + black grail and still do good damage

@dimensionvisitor7689

Жыл бұрын

@@AJLaz000 to be fair, Arc can use Sibuki as a 3rd support

Kuku. There is no debate.

Ammount of classes who recieve halved damage from them clearly shows who is better , not to mention that one of them have not only 1 but TWO hard survivability skills and as almost as effective vs foreigners as counterclass(alterego) thanks to foregners dealing double dmg against each other. Also 90% of this game is pure farming and knights classes are too comon for comfortable farming with alterego anyway

@etherios5673

Жыл бұрын

Farming wise i tend to avoid Kukulkan because she is unable to farm ce free and extra amount of button pressing due to how her skill works

@Slickgary007

Жыл бұрын

What does survivability matter when it comes to farming

@NekoArc007

Жыл бұрын

@@Slickgary007 it matters in harder content and soloing

Bad comparison imo

I think a comparison between King Protea and Tiamat is better. I mean King Protea is part Tiamat, They both get stronger as time goes on and they are both alter ego servants.

Edit: why would you even compare them when both of them basically finish the entire fgo for you. It's like comparing two infinities. In my humble opinion, Melusine is still usually better than both of them. Tiamat doesn't like awkward cavalry/knight nodes, while Kukulkan has less effective class affinity situations and less damage against neutrals. But still all three are just dumbass ridiculous, i couldn't even imagine that Lasagna would ever release characters comparable to Melusine.

Again, comparing apples and oranges, Tiamat is a farmer nuke and Kuku is a Crit servant, and also, if you want to compare, compare fair; if you bring up using koyanskaya on kuku to put up your point about her niches and mods, then consider koyanskaya, oberon and SBG for Tiamat. And guess what? TIAMAT QUEEN.

Y'all overhyping Tiamat a little bit too much 💀

@dragonmaster3207

Жыл бұрын

no

Kukulkan is a thing in the past, tiamat rn is supreme

"who is better?" at what exactly?? because the answers are already obvious when it comes to farming, Tiamat outclasses Kuku by a mile just because of the fact that Tiamat can touch Black Grail although in Challenge Content it's Kuku since Tiamat barely has any survivability. sure she can heal every 2 turns but that heal ain't saving anyone from just straight up dying but who the hell cares about that when you ain't gonna use Kuku for the majority of challenge quests. in fact we don't even know what kind of challenge quest the devs will have us do in each event so while yes Kuku is better in challenge content, you won't be really using her for like 95% of them farming however is literally like 69,420% of the game, you farm in events, you farm outside of events hell even when not playing you farm in your dreams. you just... FARM so yeah Tiamat is *GENERALLY* better ps. yes I'm bias, thank you very much

@bleach4k239

Жыл бұрын

Better farmer is not equal to better servant. There's a lot of great farming servants in the game but there's no way they'd come close to how broken Kuku's kit is.

@TVJ_CH

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with u bro, another thing that people forgot to mention is Tiamat’s class, she has the advantage on taking triple classes being an Alter Ego, meanwhile Kulkan is just a foreigner ( Berserker butcher machine, which is the same for every other servant since berserker takes 2x damage from almost every servant)

@AJLaz000

Жыл бұрын

@@bleach4k239 the only thing Kuku has that Tiamat doesn't is 1 turn of invincibility which makes her better in challenge content as I've already said but the thing about Kuku is that she NEEDS to consume stars to make herself "broken" and she can't consistently do so when in a challenge environment unless you go double Merlin which requires proper set up but as I've also already said, challenge quests are literally unpredictable. just because you think her kit is "broken" doesn't mean you're gonna use her in EVERY challenge quest. but farming is ALWAYS the same. It's 3 turns of enemies with a high hp boss on turn 3. it has no other gimmicks. the only thing that matters is how much damage you can do, especially on turn 3 where the boss's hp gets higher and higher because of Oberon and Kuku while she can outperform a lot of other servant's couldn't even outdamage Melusine and that b!tch can even 3 turn Saber nodes. Tiamat can and by a LOT. so regardless of the fact that Kuku has better survivability, her general use is still limited not because she's a shit servant no of course not. it's because again, this game is 90% farming and 2 servants have her beat in damage numbers so people are going to use them more often than her. also why are we bringing other servants into this? the comparison is between Kukulkan and Tiamat. regardless of if they're better than other servants it still doesn't change the fact the one of them is better than the other in general use. and that's Tiamat

@bleach4k239

Жыл бұрын

@@AJLaz000 what do you mean Kuku can't consistently make stars for herself. She doesn't need Merlin. She has an MLB 2030 passive to begin with, and every time she NPs you get 30 stars for free. Just toss one servant in the party with a star bomb and problem solve. Kuku doesn't need that much investment to work whereas Tiamat needs all these meta supports.

@bleach4k239

Жыл бұрын

@@AJLaz000 don't get me wrong. I have them both - Kuku NP3 and Tiamat NP5. But Tiamat needs so much investment to work. And you're talking as if Kuku's damage is wet noodle. Kuku literally has damage on par with Morgan and Junao even at neutral. There are more things Kuku has that Tiamat doesn't. Crit niche, stars, solem defense, targetable charge. And I would like to emphasize the only edge of Tiamat to Kuku is she can use BG. That's it. But that doesn't make her thr better servant between the two.

Pretty sure we already know tiamat has highest damage numbers in the game dethroning even melusine as a farmer, which is her job and not dealing with hard bosses and on the contrary kuku is all about taking on hard bosses and sucks at farming in comparison because forina. Did we need this pointless video.

Tiamat is so much cuter and nicer than kukumid worst lostblet king I'll rather user tiamat 🍷🗿

@Quetzalcoalt-ne1hz

Жыл бұрын

аналогично Тиамат не может победить ОРТ 🐍🐍💪

@dadiplier4368

Жыл бұрын

based.