Thrustmaster totally missed the boat on this. They should have released this YEARS ago. Most anybody who wanted this already bought one from Winwing and I highly doubt TM's will so far superior that it will convert many users. They really missed a golden opportunity here.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Certainly could have done with a sooner release! TM have left us waiting a long time for flight sim gear, tending to favour their range of Racing wheels/Gamepads.

@brianbushe5494

11 ай бұрын

Could have been sooner, but this will be in retail stores whereas winwing is difficult to get hold of.

@jimmyg370

11 ай бұрын

Most definitely should have been sooner, like when the DCS F-16C module came out! I am having doubts about the mounting system, I have a Wheel Stand Pro setup and this throttle looks very incompatible! It looks like Velcro's in order, industrial strength!! Also, what about the gear handle lighting up??? I thought I saw it to were it would "light" up!

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

@@jimmyg370 I've no idea if the gear will light up, i assume so, but, well, driver and game integration is not complete at this point!

@craigh1790

11 ай бұрын

@@brianbushe5494 Good point. If I saw this on a shelf, I would probably buy it on impulse, even though I have absolutely no need or use for it.

Excellent review, didn't knew thrustmaster was building a new F-16 Throttle Quadrant. Great to see some more competition in this regard.

Always adore your reviews on these a ton, still personally right on the fence about getting a new HOTAS so these are very relevant to me and are a big part of what I will be using when I eventually and inevitably *do* decide to pull the trigger on one within the next couple years. Also love the Kerbal cameo

@termitreter6545

10 ай бұрын

I wouldnt buy an expensive Thrustmaster stick/throttle by principle. They got a pretty bad track record with quality.

Always love the ASMR clicky part ;D Interesting product for Viper pilots.

Cool video! This one is not for me personally but I really like that slap button for flares/chaff. That was a great way to utilize that space.

@CobraSnakebite

10 ай бұрын

Accept the joystick has the chaff flares switch on it

@Kazperh

10 ай бұрын

@@CobraSnakebite yeah but its a lot cooler to absolutely demolish a button that was made for that purpose than move your thumb a tiny bit for countermeasures

The Jammer switch just turns on the power to the Jammer. It’s in the cockpit next to the battery switch. I had a pilot mistake those two switches turning off the battery and blasting me with the EPU. Fun times….

@Gilberto90

10 ай бұрын

The EPU that uses Hydrazine?! Fun times indeed!

Glad to see your back making videos ! Enjoyed the review thanks Hopefully you can get your hands on a VKB STECS. Keep up the great work

Awesome review ! In the next review, I would like to know the difference between the Viper TQS and the Winwing F-16 throttle in detail. Thank you for your effort.

Thanks for such a comprehensive review!

Love to see an F-14 one!

I find it so funny all of the TM haters in the comments are singing WW F-16 throttle praises, but the WW F-16 throttle grip has core controls that multiple reviews qualify as hard or impossible to use (one or both of the knobs). I think RedKite's own review of the WW F-16 throttle grip said it! In typical WinWing style, their option offers the most buttons, but definitely not the most well thought out placement for accessibility of those extras with reliable usage, and to my notice: frequently poor activation feedback. I have a CM3 I'm still happy using for literally every DCS module I fly, but if I were to go for an F-16 unique grip, it would be this one without question. I'm not a WW hater either -- I own an F-16EX joystick grip and appreciate it. I don't see a product I'd rather use in any price bracket for what I use it for. Button wise, of course it has the most, though when I fly the F-15E/C and F/A-18C I use The TM grip.

@pilotken8685

8 ай бұрын

Agree, I own Winwing and seriously looking into replacing it with this one because of the MAN RNG/Uncage button as well as issues with the plastic buttons on winwing.

Awesome review, really enjoyed it! Got currently the WINWING Viper throttle (on which I had to fix the ANT ELEV knob) but the Thrustmaster seems to be a good contender. Watching your vids for quite some time as you have a great knowledge about this stuff. Cheers

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

Out of interest, what happened to your Ant. elev? Mine recently had the rubber o ring split, had to replace it, wondering if this is becoming a common problem.

@Sirrah81

9 ай бұрын

Hi Redkite, do I understand correctly that you have both the Winwing and TM Viper throttle? If so, could you please do a Winwing vs TM throttle review video?

Excellent review

3 minutes in and I am already absolutely in love with this thing, but 10 years in and my warthog throttle is still going strong and I just don't think I can justify it.

Appreciate the straight forward review! That’s a lot of visible flex in $500+ throttle 😬 hopefully they get a bit more reasonable on the price after the initial release hype wears off.

@gibmeister5854

11 ай бұрын

No one will get it other than thrustmaster fans as winwing is far better and cheaper

@termitreter6545

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I would never trust Thrustmaster in terms of quality, durability and repairability. They just sell too much stuff with inexcusable flaws and no willingness to improve. Like the twist axis on the T16, or the plastic-bearing of the TWCS. Massive flaws, just to save pennies, likely hoping that people just dont bother returning when it breaks. I dont know how good WinWing is, but those companies generally have much more solid products and actually take feedback and improve. Or even the ability to repair them.

@bjrnchrstn

10 ай бұрын

Won't be any hype. Its badly manufactored, plasticy and way overpriced. Winwing ones are superior in all facets.

I love the fact that you can buy this without the button box below. I prefer throttle/stick only in VR, and cursor for other controls.

love that Kerbal

Also heard that MicroProse was developing a Falcon 5.0 sim. Wonder if they had that in mind when TM developed the Viper TQS.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Yep, can't wait to see how Falcon 5.0 turns out! Will be interesting to see the direction they take it in.

@VerticalAxs

11 ай бұрын

Falcon 5 won’t see the light of day for another 10 years if it even exists. Micropose has a line of announced games that have been stalled for years now that have precedence

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Microprose are publishing a lot of games, very different. They're not making them all first party. No doubt it'll be a long time at any rate!

Minus the Fisher-Price size buttons on the base it looks decent. I can see someone 3D printing a lever for the base dial for the zoom

@aquamich129

10 ай бұрын

he literally said buttons are Warthog grade quality level... so what are you talking about??

well done review.

The idle cutoff position being an "on" button and off being the rest of the throttle range is the same as how the TM Warthog throttle works and probably most everything else short of using button emulation software. By default this is the behavior DCS expects for binding the idle/cutoff and will work with it seamlessly.

@maxhammerum7705

11 ай бұрын

He knows all of this, but other games than DCS exist

@DerOrso

11 ай бұрын

It works like every switch in the world: asserted/un-asserted; On/Off: Signal/No-Signal, just like a light switch, when switched off does nothing - it's off. The controller works exactly the same way; it sends no-signal when the switch is off. This is absolutely no issue, because DCS can look for a switch sending 'No-Signal'. On TM Warthog, with the indents in the aft position and the controller calibrated for this, when the left throttle lever is in the Stop position, the control asserts JOY_BTN30; when in the Idle position, it does nothing, and that is the correct behavior. What we need to do, is simply tell DCS to look for no-signal on JOY_BTN30, and this is how we do that. Go to the control setting of the F-16, group throttle quadrant, or whatever it is called, 'Throttle - OFF' or 'Throttle - STOP' or however it is called. Pull the throttle to the Stop position to register the signal the throttle sends; in my case JOY_BTN30. Now go to the 'Throttle - IDLE' setting, and do the exact same thing (you may have to cycle the throttle position to get it to register). This time however in the 'Currently in Use' box it will report 'Throttle - OFF', because the signal for this switch is already configured to the 'Throttle - OFF' bind. NOW click on 'Key / Button' to get up pulldown of all the buttons the controller has available. JOY_BTN30 will be selected, and directly below it we find JOY_BTN30_OFF (!!). Select this, and now, whenever the throttle lever is in the idle position and sending no-signal, DCS will register this and do what it should.

@jdshkolnik

11 ай бұрын

@@DerOrsoWow. I had no idea that _OFF variant existed. Thank you!

@DerOrso

10 ай бұрын

@@jdshkolnikI didn't know about it myself until a couple of months ago. It's a fairly recent update, I think. May it serve you well. 🙂

OMFG!!!!! The website says this is $530???? WTF? For that ThrustMaster??? What world are they dreaming in?? To save my dad's life I would get ripped off and pay $530 for that thing!!!!

Want it!

I like your Kerbal figurine!

Hey Red, great video. I enjoy your hardware reviews. I know this is an older one but do you think T-Master was thinking the jammer switch is for setting the mode vs activation of the ECM? It just dawned on me that's what it could be but... it is labeled weird. Oh well, your awesome and this just gave me a reason to talk to you lol. Cheers man!

@RedKiteRender

6 ай бұрын

I think the designers just didn't realise how the ECM works on the aircraft.

Great work on this review. Love the selection of buttons for the F-16, even if a few quirks. Just ordered a STECS standard though - far easier to use across a multitude of aircraft! Replacing/adding to Warthog throttle.

@AhSoul

10 ай бұрын

How have you ordered the STECS? I can't seem to find them on the website

@AhSoul

10 ай бұрын

Just noticed you can order them from the US site. Seems odd given VKB are from the EU

I"d be very interested to see that WW/TM comparison when you're ready. I'm still rocking a TQS with the Realsim USB adapter. I've been wanting to upgrade to WW for awhile but with this coming I'm torn. I really like WW swappable throttles idea, but I HATE their software. And for some reason I have an irrational dislike of how they did the manual ranging knob, turning it into that 5 way hat bugs me for reasons I cannot entirely explain

@alucidrust

11 ай бұрын

Winwing provides much more value for money, build quality, etc. Than this overpriced piece of plastic.

I will be per-ordering on day 1! Can not wait!

Not that it's the same form factor, but it makes my Virpil throttle seem like an absolute steal at only $10 more than the base model.

FYI, for DCS at least, engine idle can be bound to a Button_off

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

The F-16c module also comes with a Cut off else idle bind, so no trouble there either way.

@tomaszwota1465

11 ай бұрын

​@@RedKiteRenderand you can make a custom binding anyway (if it's not already there in Quaggles DCS Input Injector mod) -- but yeah, for a newbie that might be a bit of a problem. It's a shame, really, that some modules don't come with these useful X else Y bindings by default. Thankfully, again, input injector works a treat.

@MongooseTacticool

11 ай бұрын

The addition of button_off was a great thing.

@PiNKMuDSimGaming

11 ай бұрын

yeah but would of been better if they just added the extra software button, instead now the user has to use work arounds. Personally I'd stick with WW when going for the F-16 throttle & stick, they also have the MFSSB too so why not stick with the one.

@Hosscoller

10 ай бұрын

You can also do that in TARGET with a Null, never have to mess with it again... in any other aircraft profile, because TARGET no longer sees it as an input.

Great great vidéo 😍😍😍😍😍

Wooo hoooo kerbals!!

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Haha :) Pitty KSP2 hasn't proved itself worth our time yet!

Yeah I think I'll stick with winwing. Its great there's options though. I like that the winwing is modular and very hackable.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

WW are onto a really good thing with their swapping handles. TM's a bit better quality, bespoke, but limited.

@ZoeSummers1701A

11 ай бұрын

Hackable?!

@JSRJS

11 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender No plastic in the WinWIng....and its heavier and won't be tipping over.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Orion 2 base is largely plastic, save for the moving parts. You can't buy the Orion 1 (shown in this video) any more.

@justinball2250

10 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRenderthe thrustmaster quality control is terrible. I hope you were paid well to say that. Metal parts to add weight, plastic everywhere that counts. Only product I can recommend is the TPR pedals.

I'm most interested in the viability of detaching the grip handle and adaptor to mount it on a real throttle arm.

I don't understand why they deviate from the original design. There were probably dozens of general dynamics engineers to design that and thrustmasters come up with modifications that later end up having problems. Ergonomics is a very delicate subject. Stick with the original design and you won't make mistakes.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

It's one of those compromises of design, sims have different needs from reality, at the very minimum we do need a zoom control somewhere within easy reach.

Apache TDAC is what we need.

Compared to the WinWing version this looks like a children's toy. The price is absolutely ridiculous.

@redrider1123

10 ай бұрын

I own the WW version and yes this one looks like a toy, just like the Virpil throttle that I sold a few years ago. WW is heavy, solid, all metal no nonsense.

I saw the f-15 throttle video and i was wondering which one should people get

Nice review. I've sworn off TM products though, I've had terrible experiences with their support.

I think I'm going to go with win Wing as well I have the A10 postmaster warthog in some of the l.a. Hat switch is excetera do not really work very well so

I enjoy the DCS F-16, and I'm interested in the standalone version. I haven't found the button layouts on my throttle bases very useful (X56 & CM3), so a standalone will let me build my own panel around it. The MSRP seems a bit steep ($330 US), but I suppose there's the possibility it'll be cheaper in stores, or there might be a decent sale at some point. I have the CM3, so I'm fine with holding out for a sale.

@crevetta6128

10 ай бұрын

500 euros in europe :(

@DaGhost141

9 ай бұрын

@@crevetta6128 the throttle only is 330€ which is "ok" imo. The button panel doesnt look that appealing to me

try using a flight glove the swiches will feel better

Well this one is starting to look like a better option than the WW to me... if all you fly is the Viper (like myself). But I just can't take this seriously at MSRP. They need to take a good $150 off of MSRP before I'll consider it.

I'm sure Thrustmaster made joysticks back in the day when I had my commodore 64.

TM should have asked us what we want on the base not just randomly placing buttons. Why on earth would we need HDG sel on the base? Would rather want ECM pod programs or even radio volume knobs.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

I for one appreciate having the heading steering, but certainly different wants for different folks, can always rebind them to suit yourself a little better than the labels. Kind of surprised not to have a jet starter switch, given it's in the general area and the Warthog had it's one.

@AviationPlus

11 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender XMIT switch would be nice too. It's different for everyone JFS isn't something I'd want on the base usually if you want to turn on your JFS you generally aren't moving so it doesn't need to happen quickly. Great review

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! I'm always flicking the APU ON via my Warthog whilst I'm working my way round the right side panel on startup, plus it's handy to disable once you're done without looking down. There's certainly more useful things to have all said though Come to think of it, given you can buy it without the base panel, a 3d printed custom layout box could easily be added!

Thanks for the review. Have you tested it with BMS?

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

Works just fine in BMS too!

Disappointed they went with the smaller throttle axis. I get they do it to make it for friendly for a desk, but I want something with a good quality build and 1:1 in size. Especially the axis. The winwing is close but I really don’t like the sloppy feel of the winwing switches.

regarding your cutoff / idle button comment, most games allow for mapping a function when a button is pressed, and a different one when a button is released, or they already have a conditionnal input "function XX else YY" like in DCS, so it shouldn't be an issue

please do a comparison vs winwing.... No one has done one and i could really benefit from picking between the two -thanks.

@RedKiteRender

6 ай бұрын

Will be coming soon as i can, unfortunately the WW throttle broke down, I've recently solved that, but need to find the time. Have other high priority items at the moment.

@jungleboy1

6 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender no problem. thanks for the reply. I was considering the WW but as you've said its broken down thats a bit concerning... hopefully you address in that video what went wrong etc.

Will you be reviewing the VKB TECS now that its finally out

One question, have you tried to remove the multiposition knobs?. I was wondering how they are affixed... I mostly dealt with Allen screws with things like the UFC in the Navy but these don't look like they are held on with Allen screws. Are they held on by friction?. I'm going to get the stand-alone button box, and I'm going to want to make new faceplates for different-era aircraft, i.e. Props, early jets, and late jets. Getting those knobs on and off easily will make that job easier.

For the price, I really cant think of any reason to buy it over the Winwing alternative.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

I get the impression it'll outlast the WW design in terms of reliability, but no one can truly answer that question for a good while yet.

@marcocom6963

11 ай бұрын

​@@RedKiteRender why say that? many of have a warthog throttle that after 10-12 years shows no failure in switches and works great. (except the common third-party upgrade to the sensor-slew switch we all did for 50$) While there is quite a lot of complaint about WinWings durability throughout the forums. We are not even getting into what the experience might be like once you do need repairs, TM having global distribution anywhere in the world, and WW being about as hard to do business with (not their fault of course with global politics, but you dont see them remedying it like Virpil with a stateside distributor) and people often complain about very long shipping fulfilment queues. Perhaps that is all why TM takes longer to debut a product than WW

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Indeed, servicing should be easier, that's a huge plus, but new design. Getting WW to support your hardware can be expensive and slow due to international distribution and language barriers. So whilst confident, TM will be long lived, the proof is in the playing years down the line, and finding if it has any teething problems.

@generic_luke

11 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender That is true. I have heard a few horror stories about winwing QA and customer support. I'd definitely prefer to buy from TM as a company, but when it comes to the final product you have in front of you, I'd have to go with the winwing option for the time being.

@PeteV80

11 ай бұрын

​@@RedKiteRenderI have WW and cringe with every button press fearing it will brake. Just doesn't feel solid

You got any videos of the new VKB S/TECS in the works?

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

As of right now, no, nothing. I'd love to take a look at their hardware though!

You know what would boost thrustmaster a lot a cheap fighter jet control panel.

Too late!! Team Winwing 🤣😎

It looks nice, but i think I'm going to give this one a miss. I mean, I'm broke so it wasn't going to happen anyway, but still. At this point I fly more twin-engine birds than I do singles so a split throttle is definitely my go-to. Sigh... It is sexy as hell though...

That rubbing noise could be easily omitted with some Teflon tape

Did the software get updated to allow cut off to idle in DCS to work?

Missing one major feature.. where are the ejection handles..?? 😆

This looks awesome! Makes me nostalgic for my old Cougar and Falcon AF days 😅

@marcocom6963

11 ай бұрын

man you said it! i think this will be nice for someone like me who can swap out warthog throttle for it when jumping into a twin-engine craft. I upgraded my stick's base to FSSB and this throttle will finally be the Cougar i always wished for back then (when we were doing Cubby's Hall Sensor mod, remember that?? lol)

Where do I insert my cassette tapes?

How would hard mounting work? Sorry if i missed it

I’m get my first 1 this summer 2 questions is there a why to go in to air to air mode on the stick and do i need to bind all the buttons to keys or do they come automatically with there righ key

@RedKiteRender

3 ай бұрын

The TM Warthog/Viper TQS both come with controls pre setup. Selection of Air to air modes is done via the 'dogfight' switch on the throttle. but technically nothing stops you from binding it onto the joystick, if you have a button free. The ICP (the numberpad under the heads up display) has A-A, A-G and nav mode selection buttons.

@itspineapplee

2 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender one more thing I see that they are selling the throttle and the joystick together but I do not see people reviewing both of them is that because of the joystick is just a normal one that they threw in?

@RedKiteRender

2 ай бұрын

@@itspineapplee The Joystick is the standard Warthog stick that has been out for decades.

Not sure i trust thrustmaster after seeing the inside of the warthog stick, a product which still hasnt been revised. It all would be better if they managed to sell it at mid range prices. I personally wouldn't ever buy a single axis throttle, but might not be an issue for some.

Too much for what it is. Years ago it may have gotten the same reception as the warthog, but now it's just an over priced mid quality device that's competing with plenty of other offerings. People used to gush over the warthog stick because it was the best at the time, but now it's nice enough grip sadly let down by cheap metal and a badly designed and fragile gimbal. I get the feeling that TM have created a product of similar quality but forgotten that the market is no longer barren and they can't actually justify the asking price.

Top👍👍

Does it fit on mostertech desk mount?

Where is grip base with pressure motion like true f16 ?

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

You mean a force sensing joystick? Well, Realsimulator make a premium one, or WW have their MFSSB kit for the orion 2.

For something that expensive it looks very cheap. I suppose if you only fly single engine jets it's a reasonable option, but I can see it being a hard sell.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

I didn't get that impression unboxing it, certainly I'd of liked some more metal construction for the price, but the core parts are metal, and it feels fantastic for the most part.

Are the knobs on the throttle and base metal or plastic?

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

The knobs have plastic caps, that’s pretty standard.

@Av-vd3wk

10 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender I don’t recall them being plastic on my original HOTAS Cougar…

Does the Antenna Elevation wheel have a detent denoting the centered position?

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

Yes, a soft centre detent, as mentioned when i talked about the cursor control, resting at neutral they all align nicely.

@kornforpie

10 ай бұрын

Thanks. It was not clear if there was indeed a detent or not. Additionally (although it ultimately would be user preference), I believe the normal configuration for the Viper has pushing the microstick (extending your thumb) set to move the cursor up on the MFD. So here the ridges would be in the direction of left and right instead of up and down.@@RedKiteRender

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

@@kornforpie The software reports it as up down as mentioned in the video, which is what I'm going off of. Easy to configure how you prefer like you said though!

That's a terrible solution to add an extra button underneath. WinWing has two low profile buttons that do not interfere with your hand.

I'm bummed now because I just bought the Warthog setup a couple of days ago. But I have to say making dedicated labeled buttons is the dumbest thing ever these days considering they will be reassigned by everyone to something else. Thats why the X56 throttle was my favorite, non labeled, all programmable 2 way switches, simple. Built like crap though, which is why I bought the Warthog, the X56 throttle just sheered off in my hand in under 2 years lol.

@CommDante

6 ай бұрын

On the warthog it at least made sense, because it was a 1-1 copy of the cockpit.... With this is just a mush of different panels in a hard to reach space.

can i pair this with HOTAS WARTHOG?

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

You can pair it with whatever other USB control device you like.

Given the fact that it's a throttle and not a joystick it may not be as much of an issue but a complete tear-down and analysis of the internal components should be done on these by a reviewer to show if they've improved their engineering. The Warthog joystick is junk compared to VPC and Winwing and they charge almost the same price. Still not worth over $500 imho compared to better company offerings.

I don't see what this has to offer over Winwing, being that this is SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS and winwing can provide a throttle with a longer throw, more buttons, AND including the joystick for $500.

No idea why anyone would buy this over the Winwing Orion 2 throttle with F16grip. The Winwing is built much better and is even cheaper!

0:37 what are you saying?

Of course it is officially US Air Force branded...

"Thrustmaster has thought about this" lmao no, it was General Dynamics.

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

Find me a picture of a real F-16 throttle with the extra cursor keying. You wouldn't feel them under gloves. It's an addition by Thrustmaster I'm pretty certain.

@ArrKayCee

10 ай бұрын

@@RedKiteRender damn, youre right. Nice addition, thrustmaster.

Awesome video 💪🏽💪🏽will this work on ACE COMBAT?🤔

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

I see no reason why it can't be used with Ace Combat, it acts like any other usb controller device, so long as AC supports generic controllers, or ideally HOTAS support it'll work.

In terms of flight gear, everything from the warthog has kinda gone it shit besides the throttle and the base

They're off the mark with the pricing. This should be at LEAST a third cheaper based on the materials alone. Anyone spending this money should really be looking at Virpil hardware. Mental.

@RedKiteRender

11 ай бұрын

Have a feeling it's paying a bit of a premium for the brand/air force association, on a sale it's an easy recommendation, for sure a harder sale at the full amount.

@noisytwit

11 ай бұрын

​@@RedKiteRender I suspect they're trading on the reputation the Warthog has, coupled with the upcoming FS2024 release they'll be catering to the people who know the name TM and will buy based on that alone. It's a shame for two reasons, basic economics says if they priced it more aggressively the they would shift considerably more units and secondly the price hurts am otherwise no doubt excellent product and puts it out the reach for many.

@MongooseTacticool

11 ай бұрын

@@noisytwitPeople will buy this out of brand loyalty and a possibly a certain amount of ignorance of the WW unit. It will be commercially available from the usual retailers so that will help sales. There's a "non button base" version for about 150 less I think.

@JSRJS

11 ай бұрын

Winwing f-16 throttle is cheaper priced yet better quality with none of the silly issues Redkite mentioned with the Thrustmaster version....WinWing can swap different throttles as well. No way would I buy this overpriced garbage

Sorry TM, but you missed the mark with this one, by several years i'd say too. Even if this was the best throttle on the market i wouldn't buy it solely do to TM's history of basically abandoning flight sim hardware for about a decade(was it more?). Several brands have popped up and offering better gear since TM released their last flight sim product...

I cant get past how much it looks like a toy. Let's be honest though, Thrustmaster is very very late to the party, between Virpil, Winwing, and VKB; and it costs the same as my Virpil throttle. Doubt it's the same quality.

So it took them this long to make this. When more people are interested in the F35 now considering winwing put out and the f16 is honestly just old

@RW-zn8vy

9 ай бұрын

Huh?

Unless Thrustmaster reduces the price by 200 USD they are not going to sell as much as they expect due to the existance of awesome budget equivalents in the global market.

i think it would be better to just get the throttle and leave the base....

For the price I would rather have a WinWing.

Over 800€ for this and the stick... blows my mind.

Too late, at least 10 years too late… there is now much better alternatives. That thing is still plastic. Maybe it’s a good sign, now I have a Ww F16 throttle with Realsimulator stick. Which is really great

Anyone wondering why they released it now and not years ago - think about what's happening right now in the world...

Nah big miss by TM on this. They had they market for 'high end' flight sim gear for over a decade & did nothing with it, they only recently replaced the horrible notorious slew hat on their A-10 throttle, their stick base is just plastic on the inside, I'd rather have plastic on the outside & save the metal parts for where it counts on the actual mechanical parts inside, I can't really comment on the TM A-10/F-16 grip or their F-18 grip other than to say I thought my VKB MCGU was heavy but apparently the TM grips are even heavier, for me personally I'd rather something like WW offers, metal but light weight as I use the VPforce RHINO base which is FFB. Also at only 1 min into the video & it seems like they've already missed some key things like the idle detent software buttons etc. Winwing is the go if you want F-16, f-18 or even f--15e now too, also the f-16 stick grip & the new f-15e/ex throttle grip should work nice for the a-10 too. If you want something enty level that will last & has the inputs to cover most aircraft I would consider the VKB Gladiator range & the new stecs throttle when it releases, newer higher end versions of the throttle are still to be announced but as entry level & quality goes I would def say VKB Gladiator & stecs, VKB Gunfighter range will be a good option to for a slighty higher price range & paired with the stecs it will cover Russian/Eastern style aircraft controls well, also Virpil is obviously the other option for the higher end consumer market & has both Eastern & Western style stick grips but only Eastern style throttle.

529.??? no thank you, i can save money with the O2EX and get other things with the savings

Thanks for the review, those switches are completely out of position, who knows why and when I saw that landing gear lever it completely disappointed me. In my opinion its overpriced for what it gives, you get the same from winwing for lot less money. And with STECS coming with standard version around 300€ this looks like I'm gonna skip, even tho I have Viper Stick from TM. Too bad.

@RedKiteRender

10 ай бұрын

Yeah that gear is a disappointment! i'd almost consider skipping the mission pack, just getting the throttle and 3d printing a custom box to go below it if you're a designer and own a 3d printer!

@macedk

9 ай бұрын

Hmm maybe modding the Warthog throttle box. Remove throttle handles and replace with smaller levers and use that as a box. Many have that throttle :)@@RedKiteRender

Cool review, but for the money, the little foibles it has now is a bit too much.

I might be spoiled by winwing.... but that looks like a toy

Rather pricey. Wow.

Overpriced, late to the market, waste. Their live stream reveal was absolute gold. Thousands of people in chat tearing them a new one.

Me watching this video knowing damn well that I'm broke as fuck and won't be able to afford one