Three Things Blocking Your Promotion to Staff/Principal Engineer (from an Amazon Principal Engineer)

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It took me 8 years to reach the principal/staff level. Let me save you some of the hard work and spare you some bad advice by sharing what’s holding you back and how you can get where you deserve to be, on your schedule.
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  • @Tempeck81
    @Tempeck815 ай бұрын

    1. **Organizational Need:** Not every organization requires an additional principal engineer, and if the role is not necessary, promotion becomes challenging; individuals should assess whether they are in the right environment for advancement. 2. **Misleading Project Promises:** Software development managers may exaggerate the level of scope and impact on a team, leading individuals to believe they are working on principal-level projects, but promotions may not materialize if the demonstrated impact is limited to a specific project or team. 3. **Managerial Support:** The role of an individual's manager is crucial, and having a manager with experience promoting to principal or staff engineer, managing multiple teams, and being fully committed to the individual's promotion is essential; if these criteria are not met, seeking better managerial support or considering a team or company change is recommended.

  • @shosetsuninja3112
    @shosetsuninja3112 Жыл бұрын

    This sounds right on. As a senior engineer, it actually helps confirm that principal is not really what I want. I'm hoping to break into a smaller company or freelancing to make a larger impact instead of influencing a larger number of teams within a company. Great content.

  • @ethany2831
    @ethany2831 Жыл бұрын

    My favourite 2:30 - "This is you life. It's important for you don't wait for others to change. Go and get it."

  • @sngopho
    @sngopho2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Meta for passing the knowledge! Real gold stuff and keep the videos coming.

  • @Zakko42
    @Zakko422 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I needed this. Just accepted a new role thanks directly to your clear advice.

  • @Dawmazing
    @Dawmazing3 жыл бұрын

    loving the channel, live office hours would be awesome

  • @haochen959
    @haochen9592 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tips! These are eye opening. I have been stuck at senior for several years now.

  • @RainerArencibia
    @RainerArencibia Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your advice and honesty! I loved you are quite honest with your self and situation. 😊

  • @stallion12you
    @stallion12you2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve not seen this content anywhere else. This kind of career advice helps a lot and is unique. Thanks !

  • @hefeicoder
    @hefeicoder2 жыл бұрын

    thanks Meta. +1 to your vision on what this channel offers and your content indeed provide great values.

  • @dbroche
    @dbroche2 жыл бұрын

    Meta - your content is great and insightful I fully dig how clear and direct your message is and am looking forward to watching your story evolve on your KZread journey

  • @theJasonLee
    @theJasonLee3 жыл бұрын

    This is excellent advice! I was a senior engineer in a non-CS discipline, always on the cusp of principal, and this advice is right on. Very sensible, especially regarding assessing a managers ability and willingness to help you achieve your goals.

  • @anniephan665
    @anniephan6652 жыл бұрын

    I keep coming back to this video as I'm trying to figure out how to have an outsized impact in my org. Your tips are super valuable. Thank you!

  • @yardy88
    @yardy882 жыл бұрын

    This is very honest and candid 👍🏻. Big respect

  • @stanislausaprankou3495
    @stanislausaprankou34953 жыл бұрын

    I find the content especially useful since I've recently got a job at Amazon. I really like the way you communicate - very clear and honest Would you mind making a video on what to pay attention to / what mistakes to avoid for people who've never been working in FAANG before and just got a job there.

  • @PhuongVu-jv9eg
    @PhuongVu-jv9eg3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for your content! Keep up the good work.

  • @SoleroStrike
    @SoleroStrike3 жыл бұрын

    This is very helpful! Keep making these videos!

  • @BhushBhai
    @BhushBhai Жыл бұрын

    Excellent advice and the point by point presentation really helps !!! 👏

  • @jaimecristalino
    @jaimecristalino3 жыл бұрын

    Man, your content is sick! Really good! Keep doing it!

  • @cody_codes_youtube
    @cody_codes_youtube3 жыл бұрын

    This is such good advice. Especially the “allotted spot” for the role. I’ve felt like many people get upset when the role isn’t bestowed upon them at a given time.

  • @ThunderAppeal

    @ThunderAppeal

    Жыл бұрын

    So basically Mr. Asiatic-Eyes spent the better part of 15 years building bloat ware for a monolithic organization staffed largely by hypocrites in all corners of that organization and today is seeking to capitalize on the naive and ignorant masquerading as a desperate attempt to maintain relevance by seeking still more praise from a wider audience. Only the clueless with envy this clown.

  • @anonymousvine4105
    @anonymousvine4105 Жыл бұрын

    Cross team impact is the key bridge. It’s pretty rare to even have a principal level outside of the top 20 technology companies. In those cases, similar advice applies, but you might have to demonstrate competency beyond software architecture and people management. For example, coming up with the next product idea that only an experienced technical person would even think of as a solution to a major customer demographic’s problem.

  • @jwxdxd
    @jwxdxd3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for these great advice!

  • @TheBenjam300
    @TheBenjam3002 жыл бұрын

    Amazing advice. Thank you so much!!

  • @ZenFurbe
    @ZenFurbe3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your content! This is all really helpful!

  • @RobertKraig
    @RobertKraig2 жыл бұрын

    Your information is gold. I feel like I'm listening to a colleague I'd admire. Please continue the good work you're putting on youtube. This material is fantastic.

  • @Coufu
    @Coufu2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing video. You explain nuance very well. Looking forward to more content!

  • @istudy9
    @istudy92 жыл бұрын

    Damn, I am a director at B4 consulting firm and what he says are exactly what is needed. And this is not even politics, this is about you placing yourself in an ecosystem that increases likelihood for external success. Someone who advocates for you but also has the influence to the decision maker

  • @danrice6562
    @danrice65627 ай бұрын

    Wow. Terrific introduction in the first couple minutes. This described my exact frustration with my previous job. You simply have no control over whether a company is going to lose employees or need to hire more (unless you run the company, in which case you don't need a promotion).

  • @VeldanG
    @VeldanG Жыл бұрын

    As always, great content. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. As a newly minted SDM at Amazon, it has been helpful for me when considering how I can grow my team and ensure they're doing the rights things to achieve their personal goals. From my experience, I wouldn't say that reporting to a frontline manager hurts your chances of reaching principal engineer; the team you're on and the scope it provides matter significantly more. That being said, the vast majority of frontline managers don't run teams with these kinds of opportunities. I look forward to seeing more of your content!

  • @JulianSnow
    @JulianSnow3 жыл бұрын

    I'm an IC4 in FAANG. The content you're offering is very unique on KZread. Keep it up! I can see this channel going far.

  • @JulianSnow

    @JulianSnow

    3 жыл бұрын

    In regards to requests, I'd appreciate advice on how to develop my technical proficiency. I feel like it's easy to become complacent and not grow.

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JulianSnow The easiest and most general way to do this is to hack yourself to be curious about how things work. It will take you far.

  • @agjul
    @agjul Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. It's a nice reality check.

  • @jkl89966
    @jkl899662 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this is incredible!! Thanks so much.

  • @carlosg5905
    @carlosg5905 Жыл бұрын

    The info here is liquid gold. Thanks for upload.

  • @melarryify
    @melarryify3 жыл бұрын

    In my experience, easiest way to get promotion is when you have a good relation with your skip level manager. At their level one can know what work to focus on to get outsized impact.

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great point. If you can get a sense of what strategic problems they are chewing on you can position the architecture to address their concerns.

  • @6590651

    @6590651

    2 жыл бұрын

    How would one bring this topic to their skip manager without it seeming like you’re trying to bypass your direct manager?

  • @melarryify

    @melarryify

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@6590651 its more of trying to see through the lens of skip level manager. We always assume what they look for. Direct conversation help us to understand what they really care and what actions by us impacts the business. For eg: A deployment of a simple reporting tool might be more impactful than reengineering current system to microservices using service mesh

  • @andressantana
    @andressantana3 жыл бұрын

    Right on... Keep them coming.

  • @pcshankar
    @pcshankar2 жыл бұрын

    Great content. Thanks! Keep them coming 😀

  • @DK-ox7ze
    @DK-ox7ze3 жыл бұрын

    Your content is gold. This is just the type of thing I was looking for. Regarding your future videos, it would be great if you could prepare an interview series for senior/staff front-end engineer roles. There is so much content out there for backend systems design but hardly any for web front-end roles. Even the behavioural examples you gave here were regarding backend development! I am an experienced front-end engineer, and I have lead teams as well. I have been getting interview calls from FAANG and FAANG like companies for senior and staff roles, but I find it hard to describe my work in a compelling way that is required from a senior/staff engineer.

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Take a look at my video on telling a good story. I think your goal should be to show backend folks the sort of complexity you deal with in a way even they could understand.

  • @wentaolu5286
    @wentaolu52862 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your advice!

  • @DebmalyaSinha
    @DebmalyaSinha2 жыл бұрын

    I'm at big tech trying to get to the senior+ level. This is simply great advice. Thank you.

  • @TF242
    @TF2422 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video and definitely sound advice.

  • @arunkutube
    @arunkutube Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your learnings.

  • @EditioCastigata
    @EditioCastigata7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing this! It's the same in the automobile industry that wants to reform btw., but with even less support for a proper leadership and setup like a software company.

  • @yairzas2
    @yairzas23 жыл бұрын

    Interesting to read about lessons learnt about SDE2 promos to SDE3.

  • @pawan5
    @pawan53 жыл бұрын

    This is best advice on youtube in this category

  • @ebrewste
    @ebrewste2 жыл бұрын

    Really compelling advice! I know it applies to tech, but there is some life lesson stuff in there, too. Amazing!

  • @jackcruff9404
    @jackcruff94043 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always!

  • @ashwin9823
    @ashwin98232 жыл бұрын

    No BS. Perfect piece of advice

  • @sayilu
    @sayilu2 жыл бұрын

    As ex-Amazonian, I can confirm OP knows what he is talking about!

  • @thePribs
    @thePribs9 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your content 🙏

  • @holdir
    @holdir Жыл бұрын

    Very good advice. Management support is the more important of the topics 👍

  • @r4riaz
    @r4riaz2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I loved this.

  • @DxWangZ
    @DxWangZ2 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see videos of this sort are far less viewed than those “learn to code” ones.

  • @tljstewart
    @tljstewart2 жыл бұрын

    Golden, thank you. Office hours please 🙏

  • @TheZeroviral
    @TheZeroviral3 жыл бұрын

    Just got a Senior Software Engineer job at Apple. Just found your videos. Office hours would be dope.

  • @onerandomscene
    @onerandomscene3 жыл бұрын

    hey meta just want to thank u for your content

  • @slavaboichenko1811
    @slavaboichenko18112 жыл бұрын

    well, this channel name is pretty much a jackpot

  • @mAcChaosCh
    @mAcChaosCh9 ай бұрын

    This is a great channel. I'm a senior engineer that's been swimming against the current trying to get promoted for a long time, and some of the things you said in this and another video resonated. I did all the right work, but I didn't think of it as a process. But one thing I can control is my own skill -- if you think you could polish your skills to get promoted, what would you do? Then again you said your strength wasn't that different...

  • @videologs7278
    @videologs72783 жыл бұрын

    One thing that would help is provide context on the scope of the multiple teams, as in the ownership of the different teams like example of services they would handle.

  • @monkyspnk777
    @monkyspnk777 Жыл бұрын

    Would love to see a video of you giving advice to founders looking for really good engineers or technical cofounder.

  • @Piyush-ky9ee
    @Piyush-ky9ee3 жыл бұрын

    amazing content!

  • @kimgss1
    @kimgss12 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Would like to see you talk more deeply about SDE II to SDE III

  • @saravanakumarp
    @saravanakumarp2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your videos

  • @saravanakumarp

    @saravanakumarp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Really good pointers

  • @djBC10000
    @djBC100003 жыл бұрын

    Golden info

  • @buntekuhmachtmuh4505
    @buntekuhmachtmuh4505 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. ❤

  • @innerchoir6690
    @innerchoir66903 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @HasitBhatt
    @HasitBhatt4 ай бұрын

    On point!!!

  • @davy__gravy
    @davy__gravy3 жыл бұрын

    Good content! Only an eng2 but valuable stuff

  • @somurzakov
    @somurzakov3 жыл бұрын

    thank you Meta, absolutely killer content. Can you share your thoughts on "How to avoid getting PIPped?"

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Watch my channel and do good work.

  • @nitinjaiman
    @nitinjaiman Жыл бұрын

    This is gold

  • @darthdias
    @darthdias Жыл бұрын

    Totally off-topic, but I find your whisky collection awesome.

  • @MichaelRicksAherne
    @MichaelRicksAherne2 жыл бұрын

    Request: This exact content, but for the Engineering Manager role.

  • @ssjcosty
    @ssjcosty2 жыл бұрын

    Good advice. The problem with leaving to get a Principal role at a different company is that the interview process is often quite difficult as they usually expect you to have had those responsibilities before - they ask you to tell them about a time when you did influence multiple teams etc. But I guess you can get another Senior role in a company where they do have Principals, and then work your way up to the role - that can take a few more years though.

  • @ThunderAppeal

    @ThunderAppeal

    Жыл бұрын

    So basically Mr. Asiatic-Eyes spent the better part of 15 years building bloat ware for a monolithic organization staffed largely by hypocrites in all corners of that organization and today is seeking to capitalize on the naive and ignorant masquerading as a desperate attempt to maintain relevance by seeking still more praise from a wider audience. Only the clueless with envy this clown.

  • @mendonrohan
    @mendonrohan2 жыл бұрын

    good stuff !!!

  • @johnwatson8691
    @johnwatson8691 Жыл бұрын

    I'm an Electronics engineer experienced with industrial controls engineering. I recently attained a controls Specialist engineering position at an Amazon facility managed by JLL.

  • @peideng1318
    @peideng13182 жыл бұрын

    Thank you thank you, i'm a senior engineer finding my way to staff level. This content is diamond. The definition of staff engineer could vary by companies, but what you're telling is definitely what all FAANG and unicorns are expecting from a staff level candidate.

  • @user-tf4lx8tq3g
    @user-tf4lx8tq3g2 жыл бұрын

    He is like a non toxic tech genius leader. Is it possible to learn this power...?

  • @moestietabarnak
    @moestietabarnak5 ай бұрын

    I like your channel, you're telling me what not to do, I Hates Amazon toxic working environment

  • @fernandogasperijabalera2065
    @fernandogasperijabalera20652 жыл бұрын

    Great content, thanks so much! A nit from engineer to engineer, the video could be even more awesome if you'd add some text on your side so the lists and points you are making are easier to follow.

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback I will do so in the future.

  • @ChrysalixDotOrg
    @ChrysalixDotOrg2 жыл бұрын

    Spot on

  • @dli-mx
    @dli-mx3 жыл бұрын

    To be fair to you, you should caveat this with "Amazon specific" (and makes it more impressive/difficult too) - Amazon Principal is probably more like a Senior Staff/Principal at other companies (Facebook, Google), especially since a Staff at one of those companies don't really need cross-org impact

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good point. It's really hard to describe the differences in level across companies.

  • @DavidDLee
    @DavidDLee Жыл бұрын

    In theory, you could come up with a project or activity which has the necessary impact for promotion. But, in practice, it has to be initially in addition to your assigned work, then perhaps you could convince others that it's important to get it official. Maybe your idea is so good, other engineers would volunteer to help, in addition to what's on their plate. In any case, this is not your work speaking for itself, this is more about you selling an idea to others. If you are not great at coming up with and selling good ideas, you still need luck or a lot of help.

  • @qr-ec8vd
    @qr-ec8vd Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @nicoleyu7710
    @nicoleyu77102 жыл бұрын

    This is the truth even harsh, I also took several years to figure out how this thing worked, making the right choice is much more important than just working hard 😂

  • @jasonhoover1311
    @jasonhoover1311 Жыл бұрын

    Please do the live office hours!

  • @jjg8605
    @jjg8605 Жыл бұрын

    Good info

  • @obilykua
    @obilykua Жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @cbart
    @cbart Жыл бұрын

    Is that Scotch Malt Whiskey Society bottles in the background? If so, good choice!

  • @travisrobson5889
    @travisrobson58893 жыл бұрын

    Commenting for the a l g o, and because I want to see more of this solid content.

  • @yashlearnscode5502

    @yashlearnscode5502

    3 жыл бұрын

    S a m e. This is solid advice. Hope his channel booms.

  • @oderokennedy7169
    @oderokennedy71692 жыл бұрын

    Very good advise. The teleprompter is a bit distracting though, especially when watching. I find no issue when listening in the background

  • @saisafetytrends
    @saisafetytrends2 жыл бұрын

    this was good

  • @tobiagbola5868
    @tobiagbola58683 жыл бұрын

    Please do office hours

  • @esjihn
    @esjihn2 жыл бұрын

    Come back and make more videos please :)

  • @pedronascimento3491
    @pedronascimento34912 жыл бұрын

    Gotcha!!

  • @disorderedenthropy
    @disorderedenthropy2 жыл бұрын

    You forgot an important element, corporate politics.

  • @lamhong4083
    @lamhong4083 Жыл бұрын

    Can you share how you control your stress and deadline? Thank you

  • @dsinghr
    @dsinghr3 жыл бұрын

    I am tech lead for 5 years. Next promotion seems very hard considering there are very few slots

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not with that attitude. Figure out what a good differentiator would be and work on that.

  • @jordanet1
    @jordanet12 жыл бұрын

    please do office hours

  • @tatiusmatvey
    @tatiusmatvey8 ай бұрын

    wow, my previous office at 3:02

  • @videologs7278
    @videologs72783 жыл бұрын

    Second question - What is the role of a Principal engg vs Senior developers like SDE3? I presume SDE3 at Amazon would report to a (Sr)SDM and Principal to a Director (or is it Sr SDM?). What are the typical goals of a Principal? What are your involvement in the execution of a project? Do you contribute with code?

  • @ALifeEngineered

    @ALifeEngineered

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a deep question, generally we report to directors and sometimes VPs. Sometimes we are contributing directly to projects, especially when they span many teams.

  • @jamirajamira7303
    @jamirajamira73033 жыл бұрын

    What's the possibility of a senior getting promoted to a principal at a different company, all things being equal?

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