Hi, I was your fourth round opponent, I went through many lines in my head, just to end up misscounting the counters on the carrion feeder xD

@beanthebuilder

Жыл бұрын

I'd assumed you miscounted the damage from the Augur. I thought "dang, Seth'll die if he sacks everything to the feeder even if it's unblocked," and then he just started by sacking the augur and I was like ...

@canismajor1186

Жыл бұрын

😉

@noobtube2799

10 ай бұрын

xd rip

This SaffronOlive guy should do MTG content. They sound like someone who knows how to brew some nice budget decks and able to pilot them to 5-0.

@filippodardi2180

Жыл бұрын

In usual circumnstances, you're 66% correct :)

@winssports4830

Жыл бұрын

@@filippodardi2180 66% of the time it works everytime.

@betachocolate5992

Жыл бұрын

I just realized that the deck list in intro was made by Seth. Lul

@JTakasa

Жыл бұрын

They definitely seem like someone who wouldn't punt every other game each stream.

You should make or a rule that every time a budget deck goes 5-0 you make a video of a nonbudget version of it. I really want to see what this deck can do with Cavern like you said.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Ohh, that's a good idea.

@mykelmontes

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish Ooh! I would love to see that too! Non- budget version of this deck on the next video please! Thanks! and congrats by the way! More videos!

@Jantonio2912

Жыл бұрын

I concur.

@leegammon1267

Жыл бұрын

great idea

@Lee-ud7yi

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish yes please do this. Im really interested in building it in Modern.

I feel like the fact that this normally played like "synergy zombies" was actually a big reason why it won so much - you're essentially a Zombie Aggro deck that dedicated a few slots to a combo that makes most of your deck go infinite.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a good way of thinking of it. Most of the time we play like a synergistic Zombie deck and then once and a while we get to go infinite.

@itze_

Жыл бұрын

That's what make the best combo decks so powerful.

@Frostgiantbutsmall

Жыл бұрын

Splinter Twin's back, baby!

@sharebear421

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish what’s the best/easiest budget zombie deck for modern?

@sappdrinker9268

Жыл бұрын

@@sharebear421 this deck 😂

The opponent in round 4 who "messed it up", they probably just miscounted. I have trouble sometimes when I need to do math that involves counting opponent's triggers and I'm not familiar with their deck. If I've, uh, cast too many Cloudblazers, sometimes I'll forget about one of their triggers halfway thru counting. They probably didn't count all the Headless Rider tokens.

@ther3aper561

Жыл бұрын

That was my thought. They clearly blocked knowing it probably needed to be but counted and thought they'd live at 1 or 2 and decided not to

There is nothing more endearing than the interactions between Seth and Bear

This opener 🤣 fantastic. Seth over here breaking the fourth wall.

@PieBandit

Жыл бұрын

Missed an overreaction at merfolk going 5-0

I know this is a Budget deck but I WOULD love to see this in it's top tier form too with like Hearse instead of Lantern and Cavern

The amount of psychic damage ragavan does to Seth is insane

If I had to guess, the Feed the Swarms are more for dealing with sideboard cards like Rest In Peace and Leyline of the Void than to be actual removal in the deck.

The diabolic intent and grave crawler reprints have really helped the zombie decks get powered up while still being budget friendly, seems like a really fun deck.

That intro is absolute gold.

@Linky609

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it needs the cranberries to put it over the top.

I knew this budget combo had legs when I submitted the idea to you, Glad to see you refine the idea into 5-0 finish with it!!!

@virtueofabsolution7641

Жыл бұрын

Broooooooooo my fuckin MAN. You did kinda spoil it for me but still my zombie brother. What are your thoughts on aristocrats in either modern or pioneer

@staxi_boi

Жыл бұрын

I mostly brew for modern but I think it aristocrat style decks have legs as long as you have a back up plan for any graveyard interaction, if your interested in what my quick lil deck brew I made looked liked it on the Mtggoldfish fish tank article for November 22 that Seth wrote about.

@Juffweena

Жыл бұрын

@@virtueofabsolution7641 what are you doing reading comments before watching the video?! 😂😂

Hey Seth, thanks for the lesson! That is so generous of you to teach us. You have taught us many "lessons" over the years. 😉 😄

I'm so glad that SaffronOlive discovered this deck from some player named SaffronOlive who 5-0'd with that deck.

Definitely a crack-start to 2023! 1st _Budget Magic_ 5 - 0 is a ZOMBIE deck! But, as soon as I saw the *Thran Vigil* - Persist synergy, my Immediate Thought was *Bastion of Rememberence* for an excellent 2nd path to an Aristocrat-style win. The life gain could help too in a longer match.

@Juffweena

Жыл бұрын

I was fiddling around with the deck and I was thinking blood artist is better than the zombie drain. But bastion would be a little harder for them to remove.

@JaredKerber

Жыл бұрын

@@Juffweena As far as the drain approach goes, Blood Artist is %100 better. However, that does compromise on the beatdown/synergistic pathways for the deck as it fails to trigger many of the other tribal synergy cards like Champion of the Perished, Headless Rider and Undead Augur. Another alternative would be cards like Wayward Servant, Corpse Knight and Diregraf Captain which work alright in both strategies.

@willashford5861

Жыл бұрын

You can also just go BW and play Wayward Servant which is much better since its a Zombie

Combo Zombies? Oh, you mean "rotten hardened scales"

That intro, you smartass! You're so awesome Seth :)

Seth, baby talking Bear is something I'd never thought I would see.

This deck seems sweet, maybe there’s a world where you can focus on the combo and have unearths instead of removal or something? There’s also a world where making it more fair and less combo with other cool zombies. Definitely sweet!

Finally finished building this deck is paper as my first modern deck, i played against a friend a won my second match with the deck. It's so fun and the fact that the deck runs Carrion Feeder (such a cool zombie) is amazing!

Yeah, I don't know what it is ether with OBS as of late. The green screen filter seems to be upset with the latest updates. What light are you using anyway?

I could be totally wrong, but at 27:51 if you were gonna sac the zombie token to D. Intent, would it not have been better to do so pre-combat? 2 more card draw triggers instead of 2 damage? I love all your content Seth; you give me as much serotonin as my depression meds, so thank you for your contribution to mine and everyone’s mental health!

Outstanding wins and a cool video. Thanks💀

I've had a pet project Sultai zombie deck that I pulled apart a while back and have been looking to put back together - I wonder if mixing in some of these pieces would be good - even if just Putrid Gobiln and Thran Vigil. I don't know how good that would be with stuff like Prized Amalgam. I gues that needs more stuff that self mills. Anyway, I like the idea of Sultai Zombies, just haven't been able to get around to making it work well.

Loved the play of getting Castle with Diabolic Intent. Wasn't particularly obvious and think would of lost with most other tutors.

Big fan of the TV static hat coming out during sideboarding

Always remember you can sac the carrion feeder to itself to avoid exile or to get death triggers! missed a chance in game 5 to do this with undead augur on the field against leyline binding

Loving the content man! Congrats!! One question. Would make sense change the enchantment thran Virgil by the metallic mimic?

Instead of Zombos, I like Combzie or Combzo. I know the intro was a joke but I preferred not to know you 5-0'd personally. Great video, thanks for the fun content.

You could say it,s a Zombo Combie deck to make it more fancy

@beanthebuilder

Жыл бұрын

Combee

@JonaxII

Жыл бұрын

Zombo combo

I've felt for a long time that Zombie tribal is highly underrated. This has been great to watch.

Love this shirt! I'm definitely going to play this one a bit for 30 tix I don't see why not

Should be playing Bitter Ordeal for a second win condition.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Ohh, I love it!

@Linky609

Жыл бұрын

Yuck

@starmanda88

Жыл бұрын

Ok that’s a new one for me 😂 gravestorm!

@Juffweena

Жыл бұрын

@@starmanda88 future sight was said to have future mechanics so maybe we will see more one day. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@holadavidponcelas

Жыл бұрын

And what do you think of metallic mimic instead of Tharn vigil?

YAAAAAAY you saw my tweet

Got this as my first ever mtg deck. Have alot of fun with it. Would you make a list or post about a version with cards to improve this deck (non budget). kind regards

I used to hate your voice, but now I can't get enough of that goofy energy you give off. Great content as always

Murderous redcap might be a good addition as makes the combo instantly lethal

In game two against obosh red couldn't you have won a turn earlier by not playing the champion, using the three open mana to draw then play plague blecher and drain/saccing for the win? Also this combo is going in my combo zombies EDH deck.

I'm not surprised that Putrid Goblin has real potential outside of pauper, the card is actually kind of crazy because of how impactful the shifted color and types are compared to Safehold Elite. Black is the color that has the best outlets for persist combos, and zombies and goblins both have lots of aggression and sacrifice support that fit well as the shell for a deck like this or Moggwarts, so it makes sense that the card is going to be strong if there's ever something that combos efficiently with it.

I'm gonna have to jam vigil in my zombies commander deck, makes for a nice backup plan when I'm looping gravecaller with phyrexian altar for infinite death triggers

@jayjayhooksch1

Жыл бұрын

Even if you're in mono black there should be enough payoffs for Phyrexian Altar+Gravecrawler loops that you don't have to go as low as Vigil. Vigil is just too weak on its own whereas the rest of your payoffs are actually good in the deck.

"Zoomer Jund" Oh, how much that must hurt Richard.

Love the Ween shirt

How did he get scion out with only 3 mana with 1 tapped? It says -2 cost for each basic land you control Also what’s one of the better/easier budget zombie decks?

You have to try meathook massacre in this deck! It goes literally crazy

Hi Seth, would you have played Geralf’s messenger in a non budget version? Would you replace plague belcher with it? Just wondering, it seems to streamline the combo. Thanks!

@jayjayhooksch1

Жыл бұрын

Plague Belcher is more expensive than Geralf's Messenger. But more importantly Geralf's Messenger doesn't combo with anything in the list.

“Zombo combo” Seth! It was right there!!

Bahahaha. Dude I cracked up so hard at "I might have to try this for Budget magic or something" then one second later "hhhheeeeelllllooooo" 🤣

Would standard thran vigil be better in orzhav or rakdos 🤔

I wonder how much aether vial would help this deck

Surge engine is a good two of in azorious artifact aggro in Pioneer. I am happy with it

Thran Vigual lol Love ya seth

Do you think a non-budget version would run aether vial?

Hey Seth, did you forget that Feed the Swarm can remove Enchantment?

@the_r4ts

Жыл бұрын

Hitting Leyline Binding with it *hurts,* though

@JaredKerber

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, zombies as a tribe really like to tank their controller's life total in the name of card draw; which can make it difficult to spend life elsewhere.

@androcider

Жыл бұрын

@@the_r4ts could have hit that RIP in game 3 of match 1 and comboed off

@gabrielpiche5565

Жыл бұрын

7 damage to kill a Leyline is not good. Better put another Zombie instead.

the combo is also very good in commander deck like "Bhaal lord of murder" cuz he has the same effect.

Could use goblin bombardment or blasting station for other win cons. And use rythmn of the wild for even more synergies

@JaredKerber

Жыл бұрын

Wayward Servant, Corpse Knight and Diregraff Captain as well. Diregraff Captain even has the upside of working in both the drainy loop combos and regular beatdown strategies.

Blood artist allows for another 2 mana win con, it doesnt have zombie synergies but balances out the life loss from undead auger.

Can u play this with Liliana untouched by death or the las hope?

If a card with undying and persist attacks and dies. Will they return tapped or untapped?

I really liked that Otawara became Ottawa 😂

Would you consider replacing Thran Vigil with Metallic Mimic an upgrade? The Mimic can be killed easier, but it synergizes with the rest of the deck more and the combo is executable on the opponents turn

@Lee-ud7yi

Жыл бұрын

Seems good.

Do you have a 5 tix version of this?

Altar of Dementia! It's both a sac outlet and a wincon!

I had no idea you were on about Jegantha :-) you are saying Jen gatha. Had no idea demonic tutor ish card was printed to modern

Dat intro though 🤣

soul guide lantern is nice here, but relic of progenitus turning on thran vigil, and with there being so many gy decks rn, i almost want a few mainboard

Hard to suggest improvements to this deck, but would Unlicensed Hearse be a better replacement for Soul-Guide Lantern? Repeatable graveyard removal with the option to have a zombie token drive it for beatdown purposes. The slightly higher casting cost offset by most of the zombies being cheap already. Mind you, such an upgrade would greatly increase the cost of the deck.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Hearse is an upgrade, but it's too expensive for the budget :(

@ArchaicEX

Жыл бұрын

Beatdown is one thing, but I think the main advantage to Hearse in this deck is it allows you to use Gravecrawlers and Carrion Feeders as pseudo blockers despite their text.

what an exciting deck!

Not directed at Seth but at spikey viewers, let 17:17 be a lesson about always playing out your lands and not holding them to bluff.

My only deck from the time i played was very similar to this apart for the goblin + thran vigil combo, instead i used to play grave pact to swipe opponents board P.D.: lol at relic tron assembly

Lol Seth the combo is lightning fast. Just turn Carrion Feeder into a 20/20 right away it'll take 30 seconds off your clock.

Feels like you should cut 2 Diabolic Intent and 2 Thran Vigil, make the beatdown plan more reliable but still keep the combo in your pocket

I'm curious why you didn't add at least 1 copy of Murderous Redcap. it has persist and deals damage equal to its power on ETB

I feel like a blood artist would be better in this deck than the headless rider. What do you think?

@tbaggins5349

Жыл бұрын

Artist > belcher but rider allows you to just go wide with casting and sacing crawler over and over again. Which does matter imo.

Good deck

That match 1 game 1 hand! I can't ever get a Full House in a 5 card poker hand. 😥

In match 4 last round i feel u should have tutored for plague belcher or other scource of drain

Tragic Slip would be perfect creature removal for this deck.

match 3 turn 6 while talking about overcoming a punt, forgets how the combo works a second time and misses lethal by casting the second champion of the perished instead of drawing to the plague belcher and winning right there; love ya Seth, streaming is hard

Mtg formats are super interesting. I might be wrong but I really doubt this deck would be able to perform in standard right now, but it tears through modern somehow

This deck is from SaffronOlive? Not from some small Japanese tournament?

Motion to rename the deck to combo zombos?

Would dismember or damn be better removal for scion of draco and other larger creatures?

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are lots of options for removing bigger creatures. Dismember is good, but doesn't hit everything (like Primeval Titan). Damn is solid, although awkward without white mana. Maybe just Infernal Grasp is the way to go.

@Xsam3dg

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish i would love to see an orzhov non budget version of this deck, Wayward Servant and damn in addition to cavern

@Juffweena

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish I was looking into bone shards for creature and planeswalker removal since we can sac and persist back but can always discard a gravecrawler.

@JaredKerber

Жыл бұрын

@@Juffweena I love Bone Shards! I just wish it shared some more text with Eaten Alive. Who knows though, maybe the next variant of the card will.

I never realized+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel out. I always thought of them as separate counters that exist on the card.

@LeviClay

Жыл бұрын

They should be, it’s just a lazy thing we’ve all just accepted. :(

@dementievatz

Жыл бұрын

It would certainly change how some combos work if they didn’t remove each other.

@LeviClay

Жыл бұрын

@@dementievatz it’s just so poorly implemented. If a card says “add a -1/-1 counter” and then I proliferate, it’s so counter intuitive to be told “there isn’t a -1/-1 counter to proliferate” why? The card just told me to add one…

@ConManAU

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely counterintuitive, but I even checked the comprehensive rules and apparently they annihilate each other as a state-based action (122.3), so it's not even something you can respond to in any way.

Now im really curious if non combo zombies can actually be decent in modern, the deck looked really good lol

@jms4979

Жыл бұрын

I had a janky ass historic UB zombies deck that wasn't even tuned, just the wilds I had laying around at the time. I won't say the deck was _good_, but zombies can snowball real easy. Obviously historic is not modern, but the tribe is powerful in non rotating formats. It's one of those things in Magic, where if A is only 85% as good as B, nobody will play A. Zombies is like a third tier tribe, so nobody plays them.. But for us amateurs, we're gonna give up way more win %age to punts than to playing a suboptimal deck, lol. If zombie tribal makes you happy, I think it is totally playable in everything short of legacy and vintage. Your win %age in modern with a tuned humans deck vs a tuned zombie deck is gonna be a little worse with the zombies, but not THAT much worse. They both can snowball if unanswered, and you trade some taxing and interaction for more resilience to non-exile removal.

@jms4979

Жыл бұрын

Champion of the Perished I think made zombies a borderline-playable tribe everywhere.

@beanthebuilder

Жыл бұрын

Yes in fact, Seth played it a few months ago

@DarthOzy

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I like to play zombies with aether vial and collected company, it's pretty dang strong.

Wouldn't ayara first of locthwain make the combo lethal?

@Juffweena

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@JaredKerber

Жыл бұрын

Yup, the same is true for Wayward Servant, Corpse Knight and Diregraf Captain. The Plague Belcher already in the deck does so as well.

Deck needs a random Rites of Consumption so it can win without needing to pass back.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

That does sound super spicy! I might add a copy.

48:11 Nice face save

Holy crap that breaks Grimgrin into pieces 🤣

*The Canberries play softly in the background.*

"During your turn" is such a weird restriction tbf

I think I know the answer to this question which is no. But, if you Thought Seize your opponent and force them to discard an Instant spell. Is the opponent able to cast that spell in response to the discard? As I said, I think the answer is: No the opponent cannot do that. If I'm wrong and the opponent can cast the spell, provided they have the resources available, please explain.

@kamikazebanzai1005

Жыл бұрын

You cannot cast spells while other spells are resolving

Big miss to not name this “Zombo Combo”

@mysticcultcomics2372

Жыл бұрын

XD that's what I call it too

Zombo combo was right there! 😂

Yas! Let's go! I love zombies!

Hate being that guy but with double diabolical intent he could’ve gone for the combo kill in game 2 against murktide and probably won. All in all still loved the deck and video though!

Rules question regarding the combo. The Goblin comes back with a Negative one counter but gets a +1 counter added to it. Those equal zero obviously but do the counters completely eliminate each other? I read it as the counters still exists on the Goblin and therefore, it shouldn't come back. Obviously it does work but curious what interaction is more specifically happening there. Thanks

@philcoats6812

Жыл бұрын

+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters negate each other and cease to exist, state based action. No other counters function this way, only +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters.

@tyleradams6817

Жыл бұрын

They essentially erase each other.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

It is sort of odd, but that's just how the rules are in Magic. You can't have -1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters on the same creature, if that ever happens they just cancel each other out and you end up with no counters.

I don't know why I'm just now seeing this show up in my feed, but I really want to know what this deck would look like as a wallet draining pile. Rakdos for terminate? Find room for Yawg? Who knows????

Just bought the deck. Gonna add 4x cavern of souls.