It's actually a "Thorens TD-165". You can also polish the cover with Meguiars Clear Plastic Polish which is available from Canadian Tire for about $11.99. I owned a TD-166 for many years and one important piece of maintenance is to remove the mat and platter and then grab a hold of the main spindle platter and yank it out of the main bearing. Pull nice and firm as the oil is holding it in. Get a Q-tip and some alcohol and clean out the main bearing of all the old oil/grease which I'm sure has turned to molasses by now. Put some fresh oil into the bearing pit and on the spindle and re-insert it into the hole. It will not want to go in, so give it a spin by hand it it will slowly drop into the bearing and the excess oil will be force out. You should not hear any noise as it spins. If you hear any scraping, put a little more oil in and try again. As for the motor, put a couple drops of oil on the shaft and let it wick down into the motor. Or, the motor could have bad rubber suspension.

You lucky so-and-so. Nice deck, and good to see someone else cares enough to rescue the old thing.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

I had to part with it! Made a deal that if my son got his drivers license he could have it. That was motivation enough so now he has a nice turn table.

Great score Dave!! You can use some Novus to polish out the acrylic top back to almost new!

Did you match the compliance of the needle suspention so it fit the mass of the tone arm?low mass arm souldh have softer rubber suspention for the needle arm/cantelever than a hevy mass arm sould have.it makes a big difference

This should read Thorens TD 165. I have the TD 166 J, which basically is the black version of your turntable. Have you tried lubricating the motor? I never noticed any hum on mine after lubricating it.

My inherited TD 150 won't switch properly with 45 speed. New belt makes no difference. Is the lever to switch damaged in some way ?

Have you tried polishing the cover with acrylic polish?

I've sold many of these in the past. You should not hear ANY motor noise at all. In fact I would put it up to any direct drive unit, any time. I think the issue could be the belt being too stiff. The original was very soft and flexible. I also noticed the motor shaft looked slightly bent. The motor does have that Feel to it you noticed, it is a synchronous type. It will only run at synchronous speed, then stall. Don't right this table off, it will give very good results.

@jasejj

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah these should be completely silent. I have a Linn LP12, a fundamentally similar deck in terms of design, and there is no discernable rumble either mechanically or on the pickup. Indeed these very high end belt-drive decks should be quieter than the direct drive units (good though they are).

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

I agree it has to be the belt. I purchased this from the local vintage audio shop an told him what it was going on. The rumble is not loud and is not that noticeable until the volume is turned up quite loud. I will have to see if I can find another. My 16 year old was all excited when he saw this table and as soon as I said I was planning on selling it there was a puddle on the floor so I don't think this table is heading anywhere but up a flight of stairs.

@jasejj

7 жыл бұрын

Your son clearly has good taste, at that age I'd have been after that Technics of yours rather than a refined, high quality piece like this one, because I was an idiot.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

The rumble is from the belt. It was quite cold in the shop. I had left the unit sitting in the garage an the temp is about 10c and that made the belt stuff. After I brought it in and the unit warmed up the noise went away. I will be doing another one on this table for lubrication procedures. This one was just the check up and tone arm balance.

@jimreardon6599

7 жыл бұрын

Yes that would do it. I have the same table, and had it stored in a locker during a move for a period of time. When I hauled it out it sounded just like that. The oil in the bearings also gets sludgy at low temperature. Once mine warmed up it was fine. Probably wouldn't hurt to pul the spindle and lube it up if it has been sitting for a long time.

Very interesting video. Thornes is considered to be a high quality turntable. Could the motor need lubrication, or could the rubber motor mounts need replacement? I would think there's got to be some kind of forum just for Thornes turntables somewhere on the internet that would know about things like this. Regards, Tom

the belt tucthing the lever for speedchange?

tha is a real good turntable.Some of the best mid to high end gear this!

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

Yes I know this is a good unit.

How are the motor mounts? That seems excessive motor noise to me. We had a Dual rim drive and it was quieter.

I think the humble is also a sort of feedback you get when the volume of the loudspeaker is high on a special frequence.

One of my favorite BTO songs is 4 wheel drive

Very nice, thanks for sharing. I think the platter is a few pounds.

You can get a Spindle support for the motor ~$40 on eBay, it supports the motor bearing and stops the knock

I have just bought one of ebay but when I put the platter on the turning wheel it stops.. Do I have to do anything to get it to turn.. Dosent seem to bounce when moved

Very nice! You just need to polish the dust cover with some Novus 2 :)

Fantastic gear

I have a Sony CDP CX 455 that will not drop to pick up the cd, it will not turn off unless the unit is unplugged, the disc door does not shut automatically, and I have changed two of the three belts inside. Can you please tell me what I should do to repair the unit? I have tried to locate a tech in my are, however everyone is closed with no opening date due to COVID. Help.

If you have an electric buffer there is a product here in the US (don't know if you will be able to get it) called Plastic X which would polish the plastic cover up nicely and take a lot of the fine scratches out.

I got a Ferguson Tunrtable for free. a gentleman I knew for years passed away recently, and his family were cleaning out his house and had a load of his stuff outside with a sign on it "free" and the turntable was there. It works, but the slide switches could use a clean.

Classic Thorens turntable for free! It doesn' t get much better than that!

@12voltvids

6 күн бұрын

Considering what some are willing to pay. I could get 700 easily for it today.

Hi I have a probelm. My plastic wheel on the pulley is slipping. No traction when I put the metal platter on. And it's not the belt. Any suggestion...? How do I get traction to the plastic wheel from the pulley axel?

@richardsinger01

3 жыл бұрын

privat glue it on.

I'm an original owner of a TD160C from circa 1974. That turntable should be deathly quiet. If I recall correctly the unweighted rumble was -43db and weighted rumble was -65db.

There is a turntable that doesn't use a needle but uses 5 lasers two of which read the tracks, two of which detect the edges of the grooves and another detects the thickness of the record and this unit is made in Japan.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

Sure but a 20.00 CD player still sounds better

hi do you or anyone reading this know how to remove the dust cover?

The Best! i have two

Could the rumble be caused by worn motor bearings, old grease or motor spindle?

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

Belt. It's a special belt required. I have since obtained the correct belt and it rumbles no more.

@timhansen4556

4 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids My experience with this is that some replacement belts are wider than others, and possibly less taut, and they end up rubbing on one side or the other of the 33/45 alignment mechanism. You can test for this by simply pushing down a little- or pulling up a little- on that mechanism while the drum is turning, and you might notice the "rumble" disappearing. There may be a way to slightly adjust the motor spindle angle (there are 3 painted screws..?) so that the belt rides a bit higher or lower on the plastic pulley.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

@@timhansen4556 Thorens require a very specific belt. The first shop sold me the wrong one. I have since replaced it with "the belt" no kidding that's what they call it. It's dead silent now.

I was always told that belt drive tables were the quietest while direct drives transferred motor noise. A friend of mine is up in the 300+ turntable range. I've never head a nice table so loud.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the belt is causing it. Also it is in my garage and it is quite cold so the rubber is stiff.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

Harley Davidson use that same theory on their motorcycles. A belt drive from the engine to the rear wheel.

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

I prefer my Technics SLM1 myself as well, as I use it as a recording table to record onto the computer, and the ability to cue up with 1/2 rev to full speed is great as it makes for tight cuts. I hit the start button, and I have sound in just over 1 second. Yes I know back cueing is murder on the record and needle, but I am just doing that to record them once, and then they are put away for good. I am not a big vinyl user. I have my old collection of a few hundred records, and then I went CD.

@ 1.59 min. - The metal outer platter is just above 2 kilo's. Together with the plastic inner platter, the 45 adapter and rubber mat it's 2.498 grams precisely.

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

5.5lbs big deal. Do you see a scale on my work bench. Who cares about the weight, it is heavy, and this takes time to get to speed.

@joshholmes5446

4 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids ...... Wow

On these turntables I was always told that if you just start rotating the turntable by hand when you turn it on it will make the belt last longer as these belts do suffer a bit when turned on from cold because the platter is so heavy

@12voltvids

2 жыл бұрын

The belt isn't slipping so that won't make a difference. The motor is not that strong. It won't hurt anything to help it up to speed.

Ive never seen a system mounted that way before, how unusual. The two piece platter is such a nice way, no fingers through holes to put a belt on :-D. I would take the belt off and just put the needle on the record, just see how much is direct through the motor mounts. That motor should be really good, perhaps its bearings need some love and its rubber mounts have gone hard. Shame about the platter smack marks on the fasia, possible fine polish job?

I am pretty sure that TT needs oiling, motor and spindle.

what's the name of the album

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

BTO, Greatest Hits (So Far)

Awesome turntable Dave !

Hello, i'm looking for a sony double cassette deck in a good condition, the one i have has died and a repair will cost me a fortune cuz these things are discontinued by manufacturer. I have lots of tapes which i can't use anymore. The only requirement i ask that it has to be working on 220 volts, has to have a european plug and can play metal-tapes., remote no needed. I hope someone has one to offer. Thank you very much.

As mentioned the cover can be buffed out with Meguiar's Ultimate compound (micro-polish) or plastic polish. The turntable should have inaudible rumble at normally loud listening volume settings. This is NOT analogue.. (no excuse) the turntable has issues.

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

It's the belt. Shop sold me the wrong one. I have since put the correct belt on it and it sounds fantastic.

Thorens had the idea of a suspended subchassis before Linn. I don't know had Linn were able to justs appropriate it. I wonder about the arm on this model looks like the weak link.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

The arm on this one is great.

.I know this vid is old, but a Thorens deck should be silent.If it's a knocking sound, most likely the spindle bearing is wonky. Vinyl Nirvana sells a fix that works like a charm. Yes you can DIY it but,for under 40 bucks Daves gizmo works perfect.Then you'll be able to hear how messed up that disc REALLY is

No way they sound like that.I have had several

We are not as lucky as you guys as to find a Thorens in the road side. I am looking for a decent record player and would gladly buy a classic off you for a reasonable price if you have a spare one.

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

Well considering that these go for about 600 used I would be a fool to sell mine for less than the going price.

The motor pulley is a touch too low and the belt is rubbing on the changer. There is evidence of rubber being shed from the belt if you look. The belt will try and run on the center of pulley as it is not a flat surface but curves the belt - so pulley height is only way to adjust belt height. I guess maybe it got a whack from above when being chucked out. Some are friction fit on motor shaft, some have a grub screw , just needs lifting a couple mm. The Thorens belt is a precision part ground flat on one surface, I don't think your belt is any where near the quality of original Swiss one, though that would not make it run with noise.

Strip motor, give it good clean ? Then use some 3 in 1 oil on motor bearings & oil bearing inner turntable & change belt slightly larger belt.If does't solve the problem get bearings ultrasonically tested ? People with that type gear companies that repair electric motors.

It looks like the springs are shot and the whole thing needs a bloody good service, but hell what do you want for nothing?

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

I have seen many Thornes and AR turntables and they are all sprung like that. Floating chassis

hello i notice that your belt is to height he runs against the lever for the speed ajustment

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

Yes I know. The shop I purchased the belt at gave me the incorrect belt. It was changed for the right one.

T H O R E N S ! The Rolls Royce of turntables! That is not the proper belt. It is touching the shift lever (15:25) and transmiting resonant vibration to the rest of the chassis and then it is picked up by the needle! In addition, it should need a good technical review (... and you are the Man). I can not understand how anyone can throw away a piece of this caliber. People have no idea of the intrinsic value of things. Only money counts. Sad people! By the way, have a good new year!

@newjerseybt

5 жыл бұрын

A neighbor of mine was throwing out a TD124 and a Tanberg Reel to Reel. He told me his dad passed away. This was 12 years ago. He said no one plays records anymore and he said I could have the turntable which was in mint condition and also contained a cartridge. I told him to at least keep the Tanberg which he did. The Thorens needed a small capacitor and a good cleaning and oiling with clock oil. It came with a spare belt and now works like new. The speed control uses a permanent magnet to induce eddy currents in a metal wheel which works extremely well. The build quality on that Thorens is amazing. Best find I ever came across.

@newjerseybt

3 жыл бұрын

Update. I just sold the TD124 for $1,500.00.

10 Kg for the Druckguss platter is pretty much a weight of a 10 Liter bucket full of water. (LOL)

I've had a TD 160 since 1974. You can still get OEM belts and many parts if you search the NET. The package on my belt reads Thorens 6800574. It was sent from Germany. www.thakker.eu A new belt in the package under no tension has a length (circumference) of 19 5/8 inches. You should replace the motor and the stylus. The plastic cover may be hard to find.

I have had my TD165 since 1977. The spindle on these need to be lubricated periodically. The motor noise is not normal. .

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

Belt issue.

it look,s to stiff on this video the new shure pickup.if it is a pickup for dj.s with sfærisk shape needle.If rigth you should not hear rumble from this with a correct pickup and ground etc.i gess you have a problem somewhere.

Do you know that you sound just like John Candy ??

People still put electronics out, especially in Vancouver's back lanes. A veritable treasure trove. I don't think that weighs 10 _kilograms!_ 10 pounds, maybe, but surely not 10 kilograms.

The Shure M44 cantilever is off-centered, most likely a lack of anti-skate. (just saying.. as viewers pick up on these things) The cantilever centered in its suspension is critical to fidelity, low distortion, and channel balance.

@peoplething7124

3 жыл бұрын

I picked up on throwing seven pounds of cat hair at a virgin $500 cart. Why Lord, why?!? XD

🙋👍❤️👌

motor noise is not normal in that table. motor may have bad or worn bearings. could be why it was thrown out.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

No, shop sold me the wrong belt. I have since broken down and got the correct belt and no noise. Shop that some me the first insisted it was the right one but it was too thick. There is no noise from this table now.

@andershammer9307

4 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids In tables like this and the Linn LP12 the quality of the belt matters. With the LP 12 you have to make sure the right side of the belt is touching the inner platter. I was once trained to set-up Linn LP12 tables and I still have a set-up jig for it.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

@@andershammer9307 Yes I know. The correct belt was something like 40.00 but what a difference. I bought the first one at the shop I got all my parts at. They are long gone now after the owner died and his son didn't want to continue in the family business. This seems to happen a lot these days. A good friend of mine is an Italian jeweler. His grandfather started the business and then passed it to his dad who passed the torch to my buddy. His kids however want nothing to do with it. His son an elevator mechanic. My son has no interest in the electronics industry or the telecom industry. I am actually 3rd generation in my family telephone co worker. My uncle (mothers brother) was a telephone man, my mothers twin sister's daughter, my cousin was an operator in the phone company and now I am a telecom worker. I did the electronics gig for 20 years while I was waiting for the phone co to hire again as I tried right out of high school and didn't land the job that time. So technically in my family 3rd generation telecom worker.

@andershammer9307

4 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids It's sad that kids these days have no interest in electronics. I have 2 kids who have no interest. I now work for a large German company and no one except for us 3 ex TV repairmen care at all about electronics. Everyone else is there just to make money. I used to repair TVs for my teachers in grade school. I left school to work for an appliance repair shop. I worked for them until the owner died.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

@@andershammer9307 The only reason I ever got into electronics was because my chosen field, which I went to school for, there were no jobs available. I took my first run at the telephone company when I graduated, but was rejected, because they had just gone on a 5 year hiring blitz, and all the positions were filled by the time I got out of school. So I took tome television production courses and went to work for a community TV station did that for a few years, and then got the opportunity to go work for Sony of Canada, and the rest is history. I did a year there, and then landed at a self servicing dealer. There was plenty of cash in the early days of service. Stuck around for 20 years, and then made a quick exit, and went to my first choice of employer 20 years later. My uncle and cousin worked for the phone company, and I had my sights set on it, and finally got my foot in the door.

use car len restorer to fix top

way better than that chinese junk. since subwoofers came out I only use direct drives. with belt drives it always sounds like an earthquake

@12voltvids

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. ill be doing a comparison video soon. SLM1 compared to my Akai direct drive. I like DD tables myself.

10kg platter? Lol

@waltersantarossa1123

5 жыл бұрын

Jason Setiawan I believe 8lbs

@gman5794

4 жыл бұрын

@@waltersantarossa1123 Plater on a TD166 is 4.5 lbs.

The turntable cover can be repaired with a car headlight restorer.

@lesrogers7310

5 жыл бұрын

Yes exactly. Something like Abro Headlight Restoration Polish is perfect for this.

you sound like tom selleck

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

I wish I looked like him and had his money. Lol

@ceejaydeesoozaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids hehe.,. gotta say u had a good find with this thorens ttable. may i ask if you tried belts that were slightly shorter/longer than you measured? im trying to find a replacement for my thorens td160. thank you

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

@@ceejaydeesoozaa The thorens uses a special belt. I did find the correct one for 35.00

@ceejaydeesoozaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@12voltvids okay thank you

Wrong belt get an OEM "Thorens" belt and the motor noise will go away.

@12voltvids

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I am fully aware of that. Local stereo shop sold me this one. I have since sourced the correct belt for it. Local shop that sold me this one out of business now. Wonder why?

you have a electric problem rigth.

Aftermarket belts tend to be resonant on Thorens belt driven turntales of that era causing resonant low frequency hum once it is picked up by the cartridge. I own a TD 165 myself. Thorens still has belts available for them and are made by Thekken under the Thorens brand. I am currently using a new Thekken belt on mine and since then it has since ran quieter. They can be found at Amazon.

@12voltvids

4 ай бұрын

Yes I found that out I actually got a proper thorns belt from one of the local vintage HiFi shops it was not cheap but it sounds a lot better than the aftermarket belt that I first put on it that I bought from the regular stereo shop that I used to deal with.

@richardkeyes5844

4 ай бұрын

@@12voltvids They may not be cheap but they are well worth the extra $$. I immediately noticed the difference when I replaced the aftermarket on my TD165 with a genuine Thorens belt. Nice and quiet and a much better sound. I am using a Empire 2000 E/iii cartridge on mine. When you own a Thorens you are walking on sacred ground. Treat them with respect. Enjoy it. :)

No wonder why your CD's sound better. That record is filthy! I'll bet they are all like that. Shine an LED light on it.

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

I picked that record up at a garage sale for .25. My record collection is relatively small. Perhaps 100 records. My CD collection on the other hand well over 1000. I have had CD since 84 so not much on vinyl since then. Many of my final copies I bought on CD and gave away the vinyl versions. The ones in my cabinet are all in fairly good shape, but I have not played these on videos. For unknown tables I use beater records.

@russredfern167

5 жыл бұрын

12voltvids Shine an LED light on the ones that look clean to the eye. I can't believe the disgusting stuff I'm finding on brand new records. I have CD's too since about 1984 too. I'm using luxman D404 it's out lasted all previous pioneer and Sony players. I prefer 24 hdcd over 16 bit. There are a few that sound decent. Digital formats have been abused by record companies trying to make the loudest disc.

@russredfern167

5 жыл бұрын

12voltvids I didn't unsubscribe you. I had to do it again , this has been happening with other channels too.

10 kilos 😂😂😂

dirtiest record ever!

@12voltvids

5 жыл бұрын

Probably. It hasn't been played since 1982.